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book fairs tab on our web site, booktv.org. >> and now on booktv, we bring you coverage from last week's baltimore book festival. we've got a full lineup of authors who appeared at the radical book fair pavilion and discussed a range of topics from gender and race to a history of the black panther party and the 2015 baltimore riots and protests. first up, it's georgetown university professor michael eric dyson who will offer his thoughts on race relations in the u.s. >> i hope that you all have had a wonderful day here at the baltimore book festival. if you're just joining us, welcome. today's been a fabulous opening, and we have a wonderful guest this evening. a few announcements, first of all, the baltimore book festival is produced by the baltimore

office of promotions and the >> >> we like to think of few select sponsors to keep the event free to the public. the city of baltimore, the nor roberts foundation and a c-span booktv. our guest is eric michael dyson. he is an award winning author and a sociology professor and in the year times contributing opinion writer of the new republic

in the author of my people getting for "new york times" bestsellers our facilitator this evening please welcome our guest this evening. [applause] >> however is everyone? let's look of professor dyson first of all the 84 persevering we had car trouble but we're glad you are here. is a pleasure to have youook, ic

here and this book that is your 20th one it is incredible. [applause] i was intrigued by the notion of it being a servant not from a baptist minister when he would have a challenging sermon he said its tight but it's right proposal as we start with the presidency and race relations with our country right now it you'd be lucky to write this will get thise time so give us a sense of race relations and where do we stand fitting into the times we're in right now?. >> first of all, is great to be here.

and that this wonderful book - festival. the in this country is in dire straits right now and not just in terms of race but that is the centerpiece of that fiasco that we confront the also witnessing that adolescents. beyon and beyond that the resurgence of the neo-fascist dignity -- and identity has been amplified

and that has said resisted and with the anti-fascism. into kkk organizations it is truly disheartening.r alli em where people of coloror with those allies that are on the left. donald trump is like bigotry for beginners. in terms of trying to break it down. here it is for perot i'm not trying to get into whetherat's r donald trump himself becausese that is irrelevant at this stage but you just intensified it to.

pricing we're living in the orwellian age because if you are a black woman on tv and do trump - - week he is surrounded by white supremacist but the truth of the matter is what supremacy is what white supremacy day. [applause] that is where we are right now and we will age. the other day they said they cannot make this bill because of the politicalt correctness. i love his films.g sad and with blazing saddles. and talking about politicalec correctness you are too sensitive and being politically correct there a

thing she will not talk about? he said jews dying bu the hands of the nazis. damn don't talk about battered make fun of that but the neo-nazi said weot will not be replaced by jews but throw those negros and nerco light is it women of color in particular were latino people i have to be politically correct blakey should not be able to sayld that. so even an ally you don't get is some they deeply and profoundly troubling that was funny because i knew wasn't from him. like from our sharpton.

i know wasn't al sharpton because it was floury. >> will is and what it looks like. somebody was quoting me sing black people should be given reparations.ss, and said but i can say that on c-span but then you are ridiculous you are a nigger. the best nigger. i am a professor please call me dr. nigger. [applause]orked ha can i get a professor nigger up been here? [laughter]

>> and i am working hard. [laughter] this is the culture we live bin and if you take hypersensitive looking for a safe space because the country is a safe space.saying i >> those that get to go to iowa for god went to idahoo one night and city thank you can say things like that and live? so that is the country we are living and.poli and identity politics the lessons they learn from hillary and bernie and you are a white band you are

dominant and invisible so it doesn't have to be articulated with an ethnic enclave and then your identity so the bible says slaves obey your master with an obey your husband you are the husband and the fatherthe bl the bible has been written for you so it appears to me with identity politics it is strange to to say this is a referendum no identity politics celebrating the white working-class. fifty% of eligible white men

are black men so we have that data so we think of race we're in a tough position. some of the allies have to be brought up to speed whatf that means. >> raise your hand. as we talk to the professor talking specifically about the motivation and the process i know there is somemo attention nullity over 30fo years so talk about that process and how you get your point across. >> yes sir. i don't want a sermon.ow i get it.

but then to sender that down evo everybody goes to hell, i cannot get without. >> i was going to say that thank you for helping to get to that point.the ki but those servants trying to orient the culture and thed congregation so the stuff we are dealing with is pretty serious and it demands the engagement with the social and moral fabric of the culture that has been stitched with the inscribed vitriolic and hatred and the ignorance and disregard for those issues of racial justice. but to be honest the book grew out of the top then i wrote for "the new york

times" because they finished my book on obama and raceget tot and mr. wang was killed in louisiana. it is digitally recorded, the man is accosted by two police and then the for that in minneapolis that we know now from the negative camera video that i have begun he is doing everything right seven seconds later he is shot. this is crazy it is that this is a lunatic stuff and to say you have to stop

this.bo this book grows out of that. and unfortunately and tragically because the bill still dying opinions of the police access we cannot get justice from the jury or the judge. they said there was no intention maliki. let me see. a motherfucker will die tonight. that is intentionally. to deconstructs malpractice with that subjugated knowledge to talk about intention malady or superiority do. the man in the car before he

stops the young man saiddie toda this guy will died today and then shoots of me and. so the judge says he is an urban a heroin dealer. a slowdown that demonization and that stereotypical that you just cannot imagine holding the police accountable hands up we get shot hands down we get shot speak up we get shot don't speak up it is and what we do it is who we are.anted to i want to write a book to white america to say this would not be acceptable if it was your kids number one.

that is not we will be g saying. your child is your child.houldnt so to redeem the and just murder white people on drugs , opioids, black people are thugs and criminals and pathological and go to jail. across the board they sent out 350 people with the same credentials that tried to rent the house.'t. the white people to the black people don't. jobs are the same thing theellet same credentials same qualities.ack, she

but the wipers and gets the call. -- a white person. if you do the crime to the time that is what black people think the white kids are not doing the time.ims of affluence that? what is that? how do i get back. where is the tylenol for that? that is literally an argument. the judge does not want to ruin his life for gore really? but you ruin black and brown people's livesy day of every day of the year so i say to white people i love you. i feel you, but we have to stop dead you have to be involved.

it is tough for many white people to read. i am not rock obama. that is one side. yes we can. you talk about his mama he will be nice to you in public. [laughter] he is a brother now. he will tell a person ofat privately.e style, b that is one style but not the only style. and bodyguards living in public housing that is not healthy living so he did a tremendous service to the country but not how he talked about race he did not challenge the white people at all. so he got elected. so he was reelected he comes out like gangbusters the second time but not really.

so my point is i think that is set up so maya bible tells me if you pull the demon and put nothing in this place so they will occupy its place per gram not saying the current president is a demon.-- [laughter] right. but obama did not necessarily challenged white authority you have 44 and we only have one. he is half. half of brother was ours. so black people say do not talk about him. bay, i i get it but come on in the

stuff he said the black people he never should say in public. in serving chicken in the morning the u.s. but that is the only people doing it. with that bonafide reticulation in the postmodern space a lot of people are doing that a said nova is trying to hear your excuses about race do what you got to do. of you are not doing your work. what? they came from the detention center. [laughter] and then go women's school.r the think he said nobody is s

trying to hear about that? we're not trying to talk about all of that? i get it. it is in your group and you could be kinder but the thing is when you're jumping on your own you have tor defend on your own. so i think that is set up by do not blame obama for trump but i am holding him accountable in donald trumpab you will not talk about race ? i have plenty of stuff to say. at the rhetoric with from obama and intelligence and did not use the bully pulpit . waste

and donald trump wasted no time to engage in the rhetoric ever.try to g and to get those issues to get the white brothers andsi sisters it is not the candy coating or the of bullshittil we common sense says it is messed up in a community of equal citizens. >> that is good stuff. [applause]e you we >>. >> as they were framed as a reaction if you have a great deal of credibility that when michael eric dyson speaks everybody else is

quiet so he does have a great respect for you. >> so i am aware of have but are you aware of those moments so give me your opinion when he hit his best form. i would say charleston then funeral. >> the 50th anniversary and was doing an excellent job. many [laughter] >> we're in mixed company. that is like martin luther king, jr. was on the phone with robert kennedy. he said though i will not tolerate if we had not

helped you out when you hear the silence.what are [laughter] and i so we are in mixed company and i have to refrain from the inside language grscourse. he was great with the last congressional black caucus i don't know what you heard about me. that is the name of a song. the president viewed with more of principles.

but talking about trayvon it could have been my son. but if i am asking him to be honest i have to be honest also. lovingly and gently the man was getting hammered at every moment.t he will get hammered just because of his existence. he was hammered walking on air forceone and the nfl to the flag no celebration and football what the brothers go and let them celebrate.if i l which i am not.

[applause] man i am trying to keep thatat score you all could have done the right thing. [laughter] what's up with ray lewis? and though you are bigger then the. and times -- i'm scared. there is no equality.y did the home boy did not kill anything because of he is doing to settle what my people to be mistreated. u.s. confederate flags those

are protectionists people we don't like you go way.this and go into country. in to be demonized so keeping score with the justice because when i look at if he talks about anything he was racially profiled as a president while he was black. white folks do not want too face as. it amazes me those a don't make excuses but they are making plenty of them.

pull them up by their bootstraps. you have the duty. and now we say players held up and the reality is it is this country when obama is doing what he is doing to make the argument and now we see a lot of donald trump to derive from the fact is to come up with those excusesll, it and ideology the white working-class felt slighted. she was not trying to be your girlfriend. what about the do you got now? knu trust donald

trump? to treat gay black russian. >> get with that. don't make me go jackie mason on you.honest a so let's be honest with of black man in charge.illing t but then they're willing to do anything. i'm not saying she was perfect but in that was astonishing.a. but that was remarkable.ng.

and john boehner cried. my god. >> oh my god.e up in sova jon lovitz and tom hanks. . and rosie o'donnell. i know i can trust her. smarter than anybody running for go the most qualified candidate more intelligence and the left-hander so do

the slowdown. with your horn to look -- orange look and that is a reaction to obama and that is why we have but we have to dave. [applause] >> i have been to many of your events they you for coming to baltimore. >> here is morgan lewis said you have a chapter about saying the word nigger no they cannot say it is because kanye west did.>> i >> it appears morgan was your here is the thing.

when white people can say it. never. i don't care where you in his or your mama you cannot do what i am sorry but i tell you what if your willing to trade the entire wealth of the white world for america with us i will let you say nigger one day. [laughter] give me all the dough in the world of the white western world and for one day niggerword nigger nigger nigger nigger mike nigger nigger is in paris or niggas in baltimore chris rock was on oprah why

do white people feel the live is not complete if they cannot say that word? why can use state nigger and i can? if they call you the been ordered -- the of thely word but i have been in the presence of women. goi notes node go. as horrible as that word iso if you think of the edward -- n word people using it we did a drive-by rhetorically. put the baby out the backwe seat with you and took over the vehicle of language your

-- at that point. >> still all the privileges of black people that is not your right your conscious of white supremacy of white privilege has plenty to the fact you are not a person or part of a tribe that can say that maybe not even in my old language. >> sova russ to stigmatizea grou with that ability the is the basis of have to check with selfie with that metaphor.n't

they won't even recognize so in one sense prevented him from understanding the animosity and the hubris the unabashed temerity. you have permission to tell white people when they can use it. it is not your word. and nigger is such veracity ever to utter that word from your mouth don't let kanye west give you permission he will get you hurt. now i can say nigger. grow up in d.c. that is not quite yet that is not gentrified.

go to the park is still black and say that word. if he lived but if you get beat up this new understand of the rhetorical gesture. >> if you are happy myu nigger. -- if you were surprised surprised, nigger. if you want to say for us and nobody else, nigger solifluction and tone and voice the naacp tried to bury the words you cannot bury the word. like jesus it came back after three days.end of

there i have there you may be also. >> so that was the right you were careful to be prescriptive how we can move forward reminded of the young white lady to say what can i do to help your movement and he said nothing t . so i think we missed the point. >> talk for a second about people of color if they can work together? so that was important and a lot of

people have written me i am not trying to rain down on the parade we don't just want the analysis go to the doctor in the what analysis of what the prescription for girl you have cooties or do you have a cold? or cancer we have to get the analysis right and then give the analysis first so at the end i tried to say things like individual reparations. like al sharpton and.sharpton wire you writing me letters like that? that what they

took out of context was. >> that will not have been. they cannot even see that what do you think will happen? that doesn't mean it the right. so we cannot sanctify the status quo. just because he cannot get a political prescription with that individual reparations account. people said i read that chapter he is right and i took 20 computers in the

office and took them to build local school to make a difference in their lives. what is gratifying to me damn. [laughter] >> that is like bail money. which means appropriate the culture. so to see all of these white people showing up and speaking out rest his soul, dyinng from detroit going down to so much they

will let the right wing do something. i think it is gratifying. even john mccain that is a little something. is is saving obamacare because tret -- trump don't. thank you for are trying to work with what i got. [laughter] when white people are doing something for a lot of whitee people then they write me okay. you don't understand but i i have a big word for you.are s

you are misleading all the of black people what we should do that is derelict or deficient to hear that blasphemous assault so white brothers and sisters can you read? it isn't hard. you master verbs but can you read? and can you read making of james baldwin. ed with some feminist fairy and more recently in the younger generation. has a

and that is eloquent rage. read from your rand from baltimore. they feel they can do that that they know nothing thout. guided damn they are messing up. so holiday you not know what you are talking a box when you haven't thought about race and it you try to tell me how dare you criticize? the confederates it is about heritage.e you are right.our heri i'm sorry.

jedi pretend robert e. lee was a hero? what is he doing in the first place? what the hell? that was the case he should have booked mohammad all the. and i make distinctions and between thomas jefferson in robert e. lee.artin k so why would reduce say he had a child from sally having? and a dog you noticed but most white men driving sex with black women. she was 14 so they get mad at thomas jefferson after you get mad at r kelly. it is tough but it is right.t.

so why is it we cannot takee seu serious criticism? white people don't know. writing a book called when affirmative action was white hod the gi bill create the of middle-class extra points on the test. the holy trinity. because right now so talk about white privilege you walking down the street with an interaction that is a great one. to be at the right place atne the right time.

so talk about that disproportionate numbertalking including many women who are victimized by white supremacy. into have a black friend or two or five. [laughter]he he can be one of them. but that ben carson gifted hands? the man.ere, i i don't know about that. don't let ben carson or clarence thomas e. did with the name of scalia.

but your boy clarence? not hard enough. n then do said in a lot more in common with the white people.s than because they cannot stand a negro. the same way some women cannot stand the other women but here is the simple rule.th r so go somewhere and saddam. -- sit down. and not saying o.j. is a murderer.

[laughter] i'm not saying he was innocent but that is a you tell us there is no evidence. he was like that is the view of the? that they could have had a film on the o.j.. line though that is harsh so wade admitted that isn't the first person and he went into his 90s? then those that killed even though timothy tyson held the? so

he should not have died. so as my brothers and sisters to think criticallydi about race have more than one black friend per go talk to black people in those white people that are in line and please? that doesn't mean the saxophone. associate the drummer it does not mean you hate the band. so when you say black lives matter we don't say white light is a matter we know they do.

that is evident. and with that black lives matter for those you in being is that they are to recognize.cognized if you were with the nfl. and we get that. and murder. with murder and complaints. mur i am scared. and then define notete redemption.on. so in this culture you couldus do a lot of stuff.children but yes adult lives matter

also.. we get it. that is why a child labor laws have to be invented because you treat children like enslaved people. i want to tell you a secret very few people in this country love white people more then we love ourselves. that is the my crib is on fire. how can we put the water on a? so in this time let us extend to a the highlight that is the same lesson black people have to learn. [applause]

>> and that funny money they don't want to you change. ed used against you against gay people. so you are trying to recruit me? i no pork was bad for you. i get it.religion? so now you have pain of -- a.m. and tried to justify so now we turn around use the same biblical andn theological issue that was used against women. oh my god you are desecrating the of bullpen.

all the people around the cross were women. they will stay with you. i don't know jesus.

from my own observation and

to have that discussion that is the feedback i had gotten. it is a validated question into understand and let us move forward when they observe from themselves? from the names that we call ourselves with that group of negativity is how you say it and all of this other stuff you throw that around with no concept with the true meaning of the word pro how do we expect another

committee to understand this because i don't use the n word because my ancestors told me how are we supposed to move forward if we don't move forward with ourselves ourselves?. >>. >>. >> don't play with me but there is the distinction between nigger and niggas. you can disagree i understand. you may sound very powerful

points so let's take it of this but cop today's but then you have better bank loans. they will much and i your children access to higher education is to be kicked ago to of school early. what are you telling me that word would restorer racial justice if it is i would never say nigger again it is not a magic want this is very complicated but when people should be educated so

i have to testify in pennsylvania a young white boy he said but if they had that they would never have kendrick lamar. so what have we missed? so this is interesting to me. i don't know any difference you don't know it alienable rights? you don't know you have to study that is why you have to study that is a

word you cannot use. period. and a story.. we can write 1,000 pages no questions that the association's by white people is indeed problematic . there is a history in this country of laws being created at the behest of black people i am not talking about black on black crime.other bl ninety-four% were killed by black people 84% or by white people. and here is read guiliani. end date you babe. [laughter] said he tries to tell me

that it is so minuscule. much bigger black people all are killing each other. checked this out. how many people die from terrorism? so we will news -- use guiliani? so talk about billy bob and notb, muhamed. soon to tell black people about chicago it is horrible and tragic but the in answer is we are addicted to guns so we give religious fervor

to it i will not infantilize white people but the word nigger is not for them. i agree with you but guess what but the first time id heard the word nigger was not a rap star but a pastor talking about his church you can save you hated him he was in memphis 1968 and his lieutenant had gone to fight to the injunction they did not have twitter back debt.

we cut out belittling ability ee per ago he got all they.and then and then gets to the hotel.he at the hyatt regency so you know, where i am going. in to grab a palo and it continues to hit but he did not have the i have good dream speech. i understand but he did use that term of endearment martin luther king, jr. it

prevented him if you tell me it prevented them from giving his life, not you individually but that -- black people are complicated. of our so then we have to figuregu out a way to deal with it in that complex cultural fashion the japanese people say you maya nigger but they don't know. i guess it. history and context in this nation.that t

even as we debate among ourselves. >> but they queue for the powerful point. >> this has spent a powerful evening. [applause] >> make sure you have a good evening we will wrap up this way. and you are sitting in baltimore as your most profound lyric from to talk. >> semiweekly i am dreaming. swimming upstream of the top was my pop from a single drop.

and was of user the only plan that he had. to be stranded on welfare. given up. [applause] >> and thanks to the interpreter and not just with the hands.not just they give for engaging me and listening suggest get a book and then come on up we will sign books right outside. have a good evening.

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