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>> it's a good idea for congress to debate this. nuclear
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agreement or going to war. we will watch that news conference now. it is half an hour.
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>> morning, >> good morning everyone. today after theenough.
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but my goal looking at the government the american people gave us a divided government, which is not unusual, we have had divided government more often than not since world war ii. i think nay are saying why don't you look for things you agree on and try to make progress for the country. so what i tried to do is empicizeemp says empicize empicize there was agreement.
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we led off o the it passed by a pretty overwhelming bipartisan majority. as indicated we pass a budget. that's not a bipartisan exercise typically typically and it was this year but we have also done every nuclear review every right of no child left behind a multiyear highway bill. clearly the senate is up and running and trying to focus on things where we can make progress. what is not helpful is rhetoric like the president has been using as recently as this morning comparing republicans in congress who have legitimate concerns over the i ran nuclear agreement to those in the streets of tehran yelling death to america. my view is rather than this kind of crass political rhetoric we ought to treat this issue with the dignity that it deserves. so what i have said to the senate is we are going to handle
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the debate in the following way. we are going to try to reach an agreement to have a specified amount of time to talk about it. i'm going to ask every senator to be at their desk actually listening to what others are saying. each senator will get an opportunity to speak and actually be listened to by other senators. this is an extraordinarily important issue for our country not only now but in the future. remember the president will be gone in a year and a half and the rest of us will be living with the consequences of this extraordinary agreement which certainly has transformed the middle east. it certainly has. we are now entering into an agreement in which we are basically being asked to trust the biggest funder of terrorism in the world today and so it's
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appropriate to have some skepticism about a debate of this magnitude and regardless of how the president talks about it, regardless of what his incendiary rhetoric is, we are going to deal with this in a respectful way. dealing with the facts surrounding the issues and treated with the dignity and respect that it would deserves here in the senate. so with that i will be happy to throat opens and see what you would like to talk about. >> another thing that you said at the god collected was we were not going to have any government shutdowns. he repeated that yesterday. >> we are not doing government shutdowns and not threatening to default on the national debt. >> members of your own party
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have challenged you and youroutrages. the videos are beyond disturbing. the question is what is the best way to go forward? we had an opportunity on monday to put senators on record about how they felt going forward with a bill that would have taken the
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funding going to planned parenthood and used it for woman's health not a penny less, but a under the proposal of senor and, that presumably would have gone to commit to health centers. there are 134 community health centers and to planned parenthood clinics so not a penny less for women's health but spent in a way that is actually consistent with the law. any water back there? senator grassley is going to be investigating. as you know he has a record as a very thorough and top investigator. the author of the whistleblower law. we intend to continue to pursue the facts and nobody is better at doing that then shut grassley
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and we will look for other opportunities to make our forces heard on planned parenthood area >> senator, i'm wondering what you expect from the pope's visit here? i'm wondering if you would welcome any comments given me -- planned parenthood? >> i don't know what the pope's address will be but we are honored to have them at the capitol and i'm sure tenants will be great and by the way you'll be interested in this. we have gotten more requests for this appearance than anything anybody could call around here so it's a big event but we are happy to have it. i'm sorry, i will come to you next. >> today is the 50th anniversary of -- and a lot of democrats guarding some of the main protections of that.
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do you feel it needs to be updated or fixed and if so what will you do to help make it happen and one other. and eight -- parting words for jon stewart? >> with regard to the voting rights act i was actually here that day. i had read -- been an intern with a senator in 1964 who was involved in breaking the filibuster and the civil rights bill in 1964 and friends like a lot of interns do. i came back the next summer to visit him and just happened to be here on this day 50 years ago i was waiting in the office in the hopes of talk to him for a few moments. he walked out and he said i've got something important you should see and he brought me over here to the rotunda. i actually stood in the back of the room and watched lyndon johnson signed the voting rights act of 1965. it's been a big success in his
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work to the supreme court did not strike down the voting rights act. racial discrimination in voting remains the law of the land but i think it's also important to understand how different the south is now. haley barbour used to be the governor of mississippi and pointed out there were more african-american elected officials than any state. the voting rights act is intact and it was not struck down. i'm sorry that's all i have to say on that. you are next. >> regarding the national pact treaties. [inaudible] what are you planning to make changes? >> i haven't given it a moments thought he we have a lot of
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things going on and i don't know how we are going to handle those right now. >> immigration a big topic tonight. what is your thought about chances for any bipartisan immigration reform and the congress for next election? >> not this congress. when the president took the action he did after the 2014 election he pretty much made it impossible for us to go forward with immigration reform this congress. the concern we express was validated by the fact that he's currently under court order not to go forward with what he decided to do. so the atmosphere for dealing with that issue in the wake of what he did is not appropriate to get the immigration reform that we need to address hopefully in the next congress
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are where we will have it. >> he said earlier this would be a good chance for concession. the concession would you make on dollar for dollar? >> this will create a discussion , a negotiation. that's what we do here and both of these issues will generate a discussion about spendingprospect
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of that is? >> i don't want to handicapped the issue. but i want to say this is a big issue. we intend to handle this with dignity and respect and we will see what happens. the president strikes me as treating this like a political campaign. demonize your opponents. spin up the base. get the democrats all angry and rally around the president. to me it is a different kind of issue. this is not your typical political debate. this is an enormous debate that
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the president will leave in a year and a half and the rest of us will deal with the consequences. and i wish he would tone down the rhetoric and talk about the i can't handicap the outcome but i think my members are going to delve into the details and make a decision based upon what they think is in the best long-term interest of our country. >> mr. mcconnell of his and iran heavy security and the other goes for september? >> this has been an incredibly protect the first six months of the new majority. for any americans who are paying attention there was a difference between this majority and the last one. we are going to continue to look for things that we can make agra son read let me give you some examples. i would love to have finished cybersecurity this week but we have now an agreement that will allow us to finish it in september very important issue.
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on top of the ones that i have already mentioned highways trade promotion authority rewrite of no child left behind defense authorization justice for victims of trafficking the doc fix. we have been wrestling with that for 17 years. so this is going to be an extraordinarily productive congress and even though we are in the negotiations over here much of that will take floor time. we will move things like cybersecurity and the legislation is another example of something important that enjoys bipartisan support and i'm going to continue to look for things that make a difference for the country that can clear the senate body that requires 60 votes to do both things. >> you have spoken a lot about how we have cut spending for the first time since the 50s. democrats won't agree to move prep rations on the non-defense
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side. what sort of concessions would they have to make further publicity that? would thereafter be demand for spending cuts glaxo seems like it have to be something pretty important. >> it won't surprise you to know i'm not going to pursue all the hypotheticals. what i can say as i said to your question a while ago we are going to talk about all of this. we have a divided government and we had have to talk each to each other and figure out the way forward to. >> senator ted cruz has been somewhat of a thorn in your side when it comes to bigger issues. how do you plan on dealing with him when it comes to government funding and when it comes to the debt ceiling. he said he will use all procedural means possible to get at his priorities. >> there are a lot of procedural tools available to slow things down and they have been used frequently and we worked our way through every one of them and we
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have worked their way through it on the highway bill. we worked our way through it on the justice for victims of trafficking bill. it's easy for any senator to make it more difficult to pass bills. it's routine around here which is why the senate doesn't do things as quickly but we have been able to surmount those challenges all year long been a been drawn up by one senator another on one side or another and we still have an extraordinary record of accomplishment and we have a lot more left to do. >> senator on the issue of budget budget reconciliation are you considering letting the senate consider and pass a budget reconciliation bill that would be put together passed by congress as opposed to the senate linked together some reconciliation? >> while the use of reconciliation is an active
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discussion by the senate and the house and obviously you all know that anything going to reconciliation is likely to be republicans only exercise. do you
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think that you could threaten the congressional profession in the broader trade agenda particularly trade embargo? >> i don't think so. we have two bills in conference i expect to get to -- defense authorization and customs. so i don't think so. on the trade issue we are watching what is going on in negotiation for tpt. we have given the president a grant of authority which i was in favor of. not only for him but the next president as well. this is a six year bill. we are certainly interested in what comes out of it. i would remind the president and administration that given the politics of trade on the
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democrat side they will need virtually all republicans to pass whatever they do negotiate and many of us arehave taken an opportunity to convey that. we will see. >> any timeline on customs? >> as soon as they finish. >> thank you, senator. regardless of what procedural tactics senator cruz tries to pursue, do you think you have a bill today to keep funding the government without defunding planned parenthood? you >> you keep trying, don't you? yeah we will fund the government. i cannot tell you what will finally end up in or out of any government funding resolution. i can tell you whatout clear contradiction there wile be no government shutdown. >> you told the coalition that
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you would like to see abortion legislation on the floor. there is not a left time left in the session and do you expect to see that by the end of the year and you think you can get that through? >> as we all know it takes 60 votes to do everything except the budget process. we anticipate having the votes to proceed to the 20 week bill sometime before the end of the year as well. >> returning to the iran issue could he respond to the president's contention which you very much -- yesterday the alternative is military action if congress rejects -- >> that is an absurd argument and is the one they have made from the beginning. it's either what the presidents negotiates with the iranians or his war. that's never been the alternative. let me suggest the president and
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his team spent as much time to ratchet up -- as they have entering into an agreement which most of us are highly skeptical of as to having any positive impact at all we would end up in a better place. that's the argument they have made making during the home and go sheesh and. it's either this deal or a better deal or more sanctions and i think that has been a huge mistake on his part. he is gambling. this is going to completely transform the middle east. it probably will. you have got sunni-arab allies who accept further public statements are scared to death that america is no longer a dependable ally. you have got the israeli government overwhelmingly
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opposed to the agreement. it has the potential to transform the middle east all right but it strikes me not a safer middle east by the one more rats with discord and i think jimmy carter summed it up the best. i can't recall ever quoting jim make harder in my political career. we can probably stipulate that has not been routine on my part. you may have seen what he said three or four weeks ago about the presidents foreign-policy. i am paraphrasing but i'm totally accurate. jimmy carter said he couldn't think of a single place in the world where we were better off today than we were when the president took office. that's jimmy carter. i rest my case. >> it sounds like you view this negotiation is a global negotiation involving appropriations. there is only a limited number
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based on the things going for it. do you view it as one global negotiation in which the democrats might do better on one path of it and you might do better on another and effectively when you characterize any discussions you have with the white house as far as laying the dash the. >> me tell you where we ended up where we are. for the first time in six years the senate appropriations committee reported all 12 pills for the first time in six years. the democrats quite publicly and said we won't pass any of them even though a number of democrats voted for all of those bills are most all of those bills in committee because we want to ball the process of and force you into a negotiation. so that is how we got to where excuse me a second.
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i would have devoted weeks to passing appropriation bills that they been able to bring them up. they wouldn't even allow us to proceed to the bills. so they want to enforce a negotiation that we will inevitably have and they wanted to force it sooner rather than later. my view was we had other business to do and i have listed repeatedly the things that we have been doing to try to improve our country. and so yeah we are going to have a discussion and we will have it that i can handicap the outcome. [inaudible] knowing what you know now do you have any regrets?
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>> i think we put out a statement yesterday about that and i would just refer you to that. >> senator mcconnell was curious if you plan on watching the debate tonight? >> i do, i do. i'm hoping to see a two-hour debate. should be a lot of fun. >> on the highway bill you talked about the conference in the fall to pass a long-term bill. i know the current gold is to deal with international tax reform. if they're able to pass it says something that can be resolved in congress? it seems that it's hard to find ground between international tax reform. >> let me just say i've look at it as two separate issues, two separate issues. senator boxer and i put together a multiyear highway bill with credible pay-fors and passed it. the speaker has asked chairman
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shuster to come up with a multiyear highway bill and pay for it and pass it in september and go to conference with us. that's one issue. a separate issue is the issue of tax reform and there has been a lot of focus on the territorial going to a territorial system. i might well be enthusiastic about that but i feel it is a totally separate track unrelated to the highway issue. >> the second part of that question is do you see us in the highway debate? >> you are getting back to the multiple things were going to be talking about this fall and i don't blame you for bringing it up but i don't know the answer to all that yet. we are going to do an extended package. i hope we don't do it at the end of the year like we did last year because taxpayers and the padding to go to the whole taxi or not knowing the tax
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implications of the decisions they're making in they're making and then you drop the incentive package on them at the end of year to cover the year you have just been in radar don't want that in hopefully we won't do that. have you or they had one? [inaudible] is that approach going to work when it comes to raising the debt ceiling and you understand what it takes to get a bill through the senate? >> college or questions on this type of thing are good but we don't know the answer to them. i can only say that we have divided government. the house and senate don't always see things exactly the same. i'm reminded of that old story that tom foley of the old speaker used to tell and i'm sure you have heard. he was asked by his young members. he was asked by one of his young
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members whose the opposition and he said the opposition is the republicans but now the enemy, that's a senate so there are's institutional differences. i think the speaker and i have worked very hard to minimize those and had a very open and respectful relationship which we in turn to continue. sure they are are going to be challenges. the appropriations process like a minority in the senate this year, it creates the big negotiation. ..
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>> to make the point of republicans having to report. >> i think the president ought to treat this like a national security debate rather than a political campaign and tone down the rhetoric and talk about the facts. i think that would be beneficial >> we need to tone down the rhetoric and talk about this. i think about even an official for all of us.assure and that is how i choose to conduct it. thank you a lot from everybody. >> bob corker is the senate chair and foreign relations
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committee. making the comments yesterday as he opened the hearing on human trafficking. then ben cardin responded. this is six minutes. >> the white house had a veto threat against us waiting in on this thread up until an hour and a half ago before that took place. because they did not want a public debate. and obviously the committee chose otherwise and everyone here voted for it and they did not want the issue debated. and what the president did on this by saying that the ranking member senator cardin, who has questions about the iran deal senator menendez who has questions about the iran deal,
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by the way both of which voted against the iraq war. senator johnson has concerns about the iranian deal. we are being compared to the hardliners in iran. and sometimes we are trying to have answers. just a few months ago the president publicly was talking about what a novel principled and good person i was. i have to get the quote in somehow. the i think everyone has concerns and people are going to have to make a decision. and he is trying to shut down debate by talking about those that have legitimate questions. how they are somehow compared to
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hardliners. and again it is to make this about something other than arguing it on the merits and i'm very disappointed. i know that the senator was meeting with the president last night. and i wish the u.n. in here to hear the discussion. sherman said she would try to share with us about this. how that arrangement was working i called her early this morning to ask her if she would at least at a minimum let us have our note when she was briefed. i am beginning to believe that one of the reasons they do not want the people to know, it's not about the confidentiality, i don't think it would stand the
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test and i just hope that today the fact that we have concerns about trafficking that again on the unanimous vote we voted to end slavery in this world that somehow we will not be viewed as people who are unpatriotic. but they are somehow not serious about these issues. >> thank you for convening the hearing and in regard to your opening comments i want you to know that you have been a principled person and i respect this in the manner that we have been able to work together and hopefully if i disagree with the ones you won't compare me to the hardliners.
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and i'm still going through the review process, i have not reached a decision on the vote that is going to take place when we return in september. and i would like to underscore a point that the senator and i working with our leadership encouraged the leadership especially in regards to befitting this critical issue. without any objection we moved onto the belt. so when we come back tuesday we will not have to go through a cloture vote or any procedures. we will be on the bill. at that point i expect that the majority leader is going to put forward the bill that we will be voting on and we will be right on that debate when we return and use that week, i hope to debate that issue. and may each member of make up his or her mind as to what is in
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the best interest of the country. i did not interpret from the president's remarks that he is challenging any of our independent judgments on this. you are correct that i voted against the iraq war and i don't see a comparison between this and the iraq vote. just a sidebar on this i voted against the authorization for the use of military force in iraq and in my district, the congressional district at the time, it was overwhelmingly unpopular. there was not a close call. and it was one of the most consequential vote that i have cast in my career in the house and it was interpreted to have an impact on my reelection. and this is not the case and it divided news of this country on this issue. it is not a clear situation where the popular view is to
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support the president and support the president. they are very strong views. we are not authorizing use of military force and i disagree with the president's interpretation on that issue. having said that i don't disagree with the president's strong statement. he is clearly doing what we expect the president to do. showing strength in his position and taking the case as i expect he would. my good friend and principled leader in the interpretation. >> the house and senate are now out of session for their summer district work in return for legislative work on september 8. the house schedule is unclear at this point, but the senate is going to consider a judicial nomination on the first day back. gop in both chambers have senate votes on both in september to
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disapprove of the iranian nuclear agreement with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and that he will ask for senators to sit at their desks during debate on the accord. and this weekend on c-span networks politics and books in american history. saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, congressional profiles with four freshmen members including ralph abraham michigan democrat brenda lawrence and tom mcarthur and sunday night at 9:00 o'clock with elections coming in october we will show you a debate among the four national party leaders in canada. on c-span2 saturday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on both tvs "after words", charles murray arguing that through the use of technology we can rein in the power of the federal government. sunday had seven susan talks about the city and people of not a soppy japan on the morning it
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was bombed to today. this weekend on american history tv we commemorate the 70th anniversary of the bombings of ira hiroshima. then we will visit the american bomb exhibit at the university's director of nuclear study. sunday morning at 10:00 o'clock, the coverage continues with the 2000 documentary on the making of the atomic bomb. later interviews with two bomb survivors. get our schedule at c-span.org. sumac 57% of the homeless population in the u.s. does not have health insurance compared to 13% of the total population. what is the relationship between
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stable housing and health outcomes specifically for those receiving medicaid which provides health coverage for low-income all, children pregnant people and the elderly. we have live coverage at noon eastern. >> coming up next a discussion on mexico's political and economicme s outlook. panelists spoke about the government corruption and the escape of the criminals. this is about one hour and 40nutes. minutes. >> good morning. thank you all for joining us today and this includes mexico's
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promiseni and moment a new part a administration in the political pact among parties and latin tha america's most ambitious reform agenda that seem to enjoy broad support. many important measures were enacted in a short period ofthe new time. m lately, however, the news from rig mexico has been of greaterf law concern. security and human rights issuese of 43 and more challenges have come to the front.fashion the disappearance of 43 students almost a year ago in a koala highlight these persistent problems. last month on july 11 the cartel leader joaquin "el chapo" guzman escaped from maximum-security prison exposing what many see as systemic
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corruption in contributing to a loss of confidence in government. corruption allegations havefact dogged president enrique penaexic nieto. and it reminds people of the danger of being a journalists today. this is at a critical juncture. the presidents approval level has dropped to 34%. lowest point yet although wetin should remember that in many other countries latin american roug leaders are not roughly at that same level. mexi despite positive signs on the pro u.s. economy it is not taking off as was promised. we are taking a measure of theyears.
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current situation of political and economic scenarios over the coming months and years.recove willr president enrique pena nieto slide or will he recoverts some ground. and this is a wake-up call that could galvanize effective action to strengthen the rule bought inve mexico. the reforms producing positive changes for mexico, are they rule moving forward or do they risk being stalled because of the security and the rule of law issues. us-mexico relations affected by the current circumstances, are the steps that they should bee should taking to pursue a common agenda. lots of questions.thri this morning we are thrilled to have a discussion and james jim jones. the biographies are available. but let me just say a little one about each.
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this is one of the most highlyt. respected commentators and or analysts. peopl when she speaks or writes so eloquently people pay careful attention. she teaches political science and has offered many books and writes a column for reforming.radio. she has a high profile in the max media both in tv and radio. she is also a personal friend for many years and someone who has been close to the dialogue. she was here is a visiting senior fellow in the 1990s contributed the mexico chapter to the third edition oflogue constructing a major dialogue project initiative and spoke here at an event that we organize. her it is an enormous delight and wee h are grateful that you took timear fro form her schedule.
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we will hear from jim jones who is currently chairman of the global strategy and formerly served as u.s. ambassador to jim mexico as well as a member for many years of the u.s. house ofere. representatives. many they know it extremely well and tracks developments. he participates in many activities and serves on the advisory board of the dailytly publication, the latin american advisory board a all available inor copies or in the back. we will invite and encourage your questions and look forward to a discussion. i want to thank all of you for coming. we have two friends here from the embassy. thank you and i will turn it>> thank over to y you. feel
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>> thank you very much. me in thank you for hosting me. i feel that the dialogue is a home for me in washington and i especially appreciate your reference to our friendship which means a great deal to me. and there was recently a widelycircul circulatedat photograph that in my a mind as a metaphor for the government, it was a picture of the attorney general at the prison. escaped where joaquin "el chapo" guzman and his men had escaped from. dres and there she was very nicelype dressed in high heels and ao had suit. a peering down from which joaquin "el chapo" guzman had escaped from. a whole that led to a moto 1.5-kilometer tunnel that had acondit
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motorcycle andio air-conditioning. you're probably familiar with the architectural and engineering marvel that the tunnel was. her peering into the pole signified a great mexico deal. it had more than a thousandg words, it seems represent what is happening in mexico today. tearing into the hole and difficult momen looking att a mass. a difficult moment.wester perhaps the some of you would say that this is being critical. and i think what i'm saying today represents the consensusptured of most analysts in mexico and of represents the feelings that are population captured of the general population vis-à-vis the government and political parties
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and vis-à-vis the presidency and corruption. basically depreciating and while there are many economicurring b arguments to be made as to why in that is occurring, please remember that in mexico bed this is a psychological metric of how the country is doing. lack in fact that it is sliding at such a rapid pace is an indicator of the lack ofin te confidence in thern government and not just what is happening in dow international currencyn markets. s the price of oil is down as mexican michael said. the approval ratings are the was t lowest of any mexican president in the last 20 years. and that includes the first step in the energy reform thatved involves the elicitation of a
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potential oilfield, it proved to be at this event not attracting the amount of energy and my a excitement and enthusiasm are good that the mexican government had l expected. it was deemed in light of the very high expectations that theator o mexican government had created regarding energy with warm as being the detonator of highi th growth in theink country.ure the so therefore things are going to speak of that capture the current moment. imcotence, incompetence it impunity,rity insecurity and inequality. that are creating a general sense of a shift adrift without a clear sense of who the captain is and whether or not he is in starti charge are actually knows where he's going. s starting with incompetence the polls show it.
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and for one, i take political cartoons very seriously. and they are a graphic exposé of a mood and sometimes muchhat sharper than even a column could be. so how have mexican politicalhe cartoonists baptized [speaking than in spanish] on because his image seems to matter so much than the reality on the ground.well [speaking in spanish] because he has -- how would i call it? a chump or more eloquently a mixture of e f or even more eloquently [speaking in spanish] , which is a mixture of the imagery of the telemarketer of the current presidency. accompanied by the pri practices of the past.
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so as michael had suggested and you can see this is reflected in the international press coveragentment. from delirium to disenchantmentor to the sense that the job was too big for him and for the team in the state of mexico that he had brought with him or the old guard that doesn't seem to know how to adapt to current circumstances and so if members were here and perhaps certain members of them who are here if th thought they feel comforted by themid-te thought that they won the out midterm elections, i would like to say that it is and could turn out to be a [speaking in
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spanish] a pure victory in so far as yes, they won the midterm election but if you look at the numbers, what are the numbers showing you bed they are losingor both veryts quickly, that it would not have won the majority in congress that had had it not have been for the alliance with the green party and the multiple illegalities that they committed their remain to this day unsanctioned by federalsanctioned authorities including the jewel of the crown of the tarnished crown and that includes checks
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and balances of authorities.tade the party discovered that they really didn't like this and so they removed many of the elements that made authoritiesa upon of time is, procedures independent, and now you have of something that is facing huge loss of credibility because of the unsanctioned behavior all of breaking every electoral law and accumulating 600 million in fines. all of this committed by the green party that as i said went unsanctioned. so even though they won, the negativece perceptions and the analy disapproval are definitelystmitati growing. and are they saying that the ther project is showing its didn't limitations? limitations that were there from the inception but that many did not recognize or understand.
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and i think wooed by structuralin reforms are passed in the context of this, leading to the tr sense that modernization wasuloccu truly occurring. that vision and sense of moving forward at this point in time in mexico is severely compromised. and the perception of most analysts is that the project was more about re-concentrating it power in the presidency than it wa was about truly reconstructing the state or reconstructing the way that democracy works were the incentive by which politicales by parties operate or the incentive by which mexican capitalism worked.proj so it was ambitious butect i think
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it was built on reforms that either came too late or i wouldree say this without energy reform when i think that we are four or opening five years too late in terms oupf opening markets. notufficient or they were being badly implemented or are insufficienttion as is the case with the reformal or education reform. but i think that the foundational problems were thatco they were built upon corruption and are being undone by corruption.wh because the atidea was not to make the pie bigger.different y. what we see now is that the project was to slice it up in a r different way. but what was wanted was not real competition but rather state administered competition that could continue to shore up jt with o mexico's system of crony
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capitalism with other cronies. and that wasn't about combating impunity by taking advantage of it for this group that came through. so there is a sense of malaise and crisis and social in indignation in which yes theconvin pri wins or did when the structura midterms but does not convince. refer even after 11 structural reforms that have failed to take off. deprec when i referred to the depreciation because we don't call it the valuation anymore or at least not now many have argued that this has to do with a what is happening with the american dollar and etc. did a recent article in the financial times that did it sh research onow this topic what do
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duccio? and underscored what had been mytuition intuition all along dead to households are taking their money out of the country.t. people who have savings are buying dollars and yesterday the bank of mexico spent 200 million pesos trying to shore up and prop up the currency because means they know what it means for thee. mexican psyche. and why are people converting their money? because they fear that there is a crisis and they fear that we m will end this inan a way that many l ended because of the lack of accumu fiscal discipline and the accumulation of debt this government has incurred in itsn gover first three years and because of the huge gap in government
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revenues and incomes in oil and an fiscal reform that it is insuffi cient to cover the gap. a crisis brought on by what i perceive as a mismanagement ofth event for the government seemedknows unprepared for. but it has not shown that itrelve knows how to confront in a wayroed that displays willingness or ability to resolve these crises.nal. some of which are conceptual and others we have been driving around for some time and has just become more accentuated and so you have words military primarily executed 22 people and
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there is now a recent report of investigation about this. and let alone the fact that 43 students were murdered.trated gov what was revealed was to what f degree corruption and crime had penetrated the governmentfficialersion institutions. because those responsible at least in the official version up to now was that of the police and to an unknown degree the military. and then you have the white house scandal which i'm sure allt of you are aware of. a scandal that had occurred in the united states have been revealed that michelle obama owned a 7 million-dollar houseactor wh but the title was in the name of a contractor given out by the
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obama administration were there would've been endless congressional investigations into what is clearly a conflict ... of interest and i know very well because it cost them her job on the radio and i left with her as her collaborator. but i know how this story emerged, the investigation process and how they reacted and how they are reacting now. but in mexico the problem is that conflict of interest is even a conflict. it's a way that things have been done in terms of government relations with contractors and politicians and the key player
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in the mexican political system which was next to the second house that was built that she said that she bought with a 10 million-dollar bonus severance bonus tissue is an incredible actress. and i say this in a satirical fashion.g this is followed by the revelation of the house owned by the finance minister that wasrate purchased by the same contractor with a and non-making loans and i interest rate of 5% when the own hous going interest rate him and iry the pern in c know this because i was paying it on my own house with 13%. and this is the person in charge of collecting taxes, the person in charge of making sure that of or the budget is well spent.d o as you can imagine the
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perception of this to find out that the finance minister was involved in this name.and the and then you get the military and people there.ry other fincial [inaudible] growth estimates are lowered on a monthly basishe by the bank of mexico and every other financial institution in the country. two weeks ago a study that has had a great deal of impact on inequality with some startling numbers. and if you put this all together and combine it with the fact that a friend and colleague who
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had talked about this flood because of threats this has become the most dangerous place in the country to become a rotecti from th journalist. fifteen journalists have been killed in the past three years. he had fled the mexico's did he jolists seeking perfection for the protection of journalists whichnic i can say personally from my experience as a sham. it provides you with a panic no button and it taktes them six months to determine whether your case is urgent or not. though in those six months he was killed. ca and i spent friday afternoon with one of his friends who is a political cartoonist that we are trying to get out of then? country. and that is how things are. so what has this response been?'t want they feel misunderstood and they
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feel that the criticism is from those and those who criticizethat them are against structural reform and modernity, that we don't want competition and that the resistance comes from the cases that h interest that isn't being affected by it. and that none of these cases the solicitation of the bid of the high-speed train, the escapethe cabi of joaquin "el chapo" guzman there has not been a single resignation of the administration or cabinet. which in my mind and the mind of many are the very least of what should occur. not only resignation becausecognition what would it entail, a recordto be titian that mistakes were made. change and a recognition that the tha course has tt o be changed and
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that the buck stops here. m that heads have to roll because if they don't roll then it means ino that what credibility does the term maximum-security prisonment o have. when someone can build a tunnel and please reflect on how is it sued and possible for a tunnel to be built over the course of a year in what is a highly supervised and controlled area.
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and it also affects higherlice or levels of government in mexico all the way to the top or at the very least the military. so what did they say about his a re escape?at i that the was deeply upset, that it was a regrettable incident and an undignified incident. and that everyday are you sure that he will never escape. and so what did the escape do? well, it tarnished the government's reputation evenrevealed more and it puts the issue of government competence at the center of the public debate andyste revealing deep institutional but o weaknessesf not only of the prison system but i've security i me what
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in general and competence as well. and what does it say the government cannot keep the most sought after criminal in the world today. o's and vithis is in the context of the official state visit to france where he took along 441 guests. shortly afterwards his wife appeared on the front cover of people magazine. vanity fair, not even now. revealing in the minds of many a profound insensitivity in the same week of the escape, the pictures coming out and the imagery is of him inaugurating
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epicurean events in france. and so what are the hypotheses?at do ey say? and i am not an expert on security issues but i have friends who work on this. what do they say?, the well, the hypotheses are that he was going to be extradited. the u.s. presented this he didn't want to be extradited because you cannot continue to run your business from a way in which you can from a mexican wantto ext prison. another hypothesis is that the governmenthi didn't want topeople extradite him because he had too much information about how manystruct people that heur had been paying o th off the next 15 years. another hypothesis is that he was set freer deliberately so that he could actually regain and reestablish this and end the not co violence because the violence does not come from stable
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cartels, it comes one the heads beg of the cartels are either arrested or killed and they infighting h begins.validate any but the one thing i can say isan that having no information to alejandn validate this in terms ofthi independent analysts, one thing i can say is that he isn't going to be caught anytime soon ift the bood of ever.the firs and it has turned the administration into the butt of a thousand oaks. the first reaction was hilarity. it wasn't even indignation because now laughter is better than the alternative. and so this is i will give you
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a sense of the flavor of the reaction of the jokes. but his company is the one that should be building mexican infrastructure. especially due to problems in the construction process. so yes. homicide numbers are down that is true in terms of general insecurity and what mexico is witnessing is the eruption of instances of violence that have become uncontrollable. so perhaps people from the embassy would say yes, the numbers are down. we should celebrate that. but then you get this thatcartel happened two months ago when the city was paralyzed for a day between the government and the cartels or uk this.w?
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and the recent report that i was orr alluding to what does it show what does the report say. that the mexican military has an order now. this morning i did not know how to translate this on word. how would you say. [speaking in spanish] taking on civilians. and this report signals to these orders in the minds of many and at least in the minds of the mexican military, a means to kill, not to apprehend and to the prof havi submit for trial, it means if you believe that someone is atuting criminal you kill him and that is the problem of having the military substituting for what
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is a dysfunctional police force, that they are not trained or not trained well to deal with civilians in context of confrontation. the order is not apprehend. so for now the attention has been centered upon who allowed him to escape and i will make a bet with you. and if i lose, i will take you anmy bet all out for tacos.rison and the only people that will be found responsible for his escape our low-level prison guards and prison administrators and no one else.s but the escape and everything surrounding it reveals a a fundamental problem that thisnon-declar government does not know how to
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deal with, which is a non-declared war on drugswe don't ref because we don't call it thatto be a wa anymore. we don't refer to it in that fashion anymore. but it continues to be. a de facto suspension in confrontation with civilians adversary drug cartel that in my mind and in the minds of experts on drug issues in mexico cannot be beaten. and this accompanied by the rising tide of violence that the war has produced. so i go to my second guy, which is impunity. meco a month ago a respected academic published a report called it is pres anatomy of corruption in mexicoions. where he examined that this is present in almost all transactions that there ares 4 million acts of corruption
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committed on a yearly basis andbe you its ever present in everyday govern life so you have to pay the person the cork spectrum trashu that works for the city get r government and that the gasoline pumps were you pay more than what you get for it. and corruption in the elicitation of public goods whether it's spectrum or whether it be a high-speed train and for tax breaks for mexican companies.an' and there are people that would argue that that wouldn't be the a issue that is holding them back. there are countrieslem that are corrupt and yet they are growing. the problem is that it's anat don't ha emerging market that is
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competing for foreign investment with other emerging market that do not have this problem. it's also accompanied by the law. absence of the rule of law or the intermittent application of the rule of off. so a very negative consequence in terms of foreign investment and slowing economic growth. in 2014 mexico obtained 35 points out of 100 possible. 90% of mexicans believed that corruption was a primordial problem and 91% believe that all political parties are corrupt. g yet ordinary mexicans are also complicit in the predatory state generates a population that isought predatory. a state that does not throw them in a discretionary manner
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leaving citizens to take it into their own hands. one that violates the law and one that doesn't leave believe in it. that is why i think the revolution will be a thermometer as to whether the administration intends to take this issue be a seriously or not.nterest t ca se they have said that there will be a report released about whether or not there was a conflict of interest in that case or not. my third is inequality. adding tos this next the growth predictions. in the last two weeks the poverty has grown by 2 million people in the last year and this
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includes a report with numbers that are just mind blowing. 1% of the most wealthy of concentrate 21% of the income 10% of the wealthy concentrate 64.4% and the wealth of mexico's multimillionaire groups grew byexican 32% between 2007 in 2012. the wealth of the 16 mexican multimillionaires represented 2% of gdp and now 9% of gdp.st hamad and so thee four men in the firstn sectors four places of their list have made their wealth in sectors that involve public concessions of goods such as spectrums and telecommunications and transportation. these are creatures of hav the state. those that have grown in power
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or excesses leading to the capalism perpetuation of mexico'sa suboptimal capitalism.anent undelass o and the impact is a vicious cycle of poverty, the institutionalization ofney 50 million people.call and this includes how do you conttant call them. [speaking in spanish] , grades are discovered every th knew day and it had become the mostd it. violent in its totality and the country and the government knew this years ago and no one acted.
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this accompanied by a low-grade democracy captureds by interests that constantly puts public policy at their disposal. a government that cannot get - economic group and trend growth due to the capitalism despite the structural forms and growthlacks t that simply cannot occur in the eq context of a state that lackslity the institutional mechanism to provide equity andou transparency, regulation and accountability about the white house or any othed r issues. and how is this playing out politically?de with this i'm going tor end. they continue to win under thend circumstances t i described in what we see as a growing rejection of local parties and the crisis of representationnden which explains to you why an independent candidate won in mexico's most important economically speaking state,70% bcause
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p where theoe latest participation in the midterm election which isy usually 40% grew to 78% because te way people believe that anrty independent candidate outside of the party system was the way to go because there is no longer any trust in the party system aswing it works today. there is a growing disillusionment in mexico. in the sense that independent candidates could favor there ran for el were only 127 independent candidates out of 16,000 in this last election.a and whapot does this mean for politics and the presidential pac race? two days ago a poll came out with the following numbers. with numbers that range between 25 to 29% of the vote.he fo
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the second place the wife of r the former president taking the hillary clinton out, trying to be a candidate for the national and action dirty with 14% of pir andidat preferences.w you? 14% for any pri candidate presented. so what does this show you? appoint here does not have a isis viable presidential candidate and the winner of this crisis is the man that has built a establ political career as the leader of the opposition to thepiece of h establishment and the anti-institutional leader that will make government corruption the centerpiece of his campaign. i leave you with this food for thought that the crisis is empowering a left that is
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provincial, that is tribal, that is anti-modern in views of the economy and globalization market and a political voice described as conservative populism that is leading to what i agree with and we are not witnessing the emergence of the modern functional left with concrete policy proposals or a left whose incarnation we have seen in places like brazil but not in mexico. and so what is my conclusion? this includes the functionality of their confrontations over
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public policy issues in the most recent being education. increasing violence and a dysfunctional democracy that is lacking in accountability andes. that is why see someone like nt this winning over the parties. i for that deeply damaged this. and we will continue to paddle.ngement but the impression that we get from the government and theon party at t this point is a sense of the rearrangement of thesolve th titanic and as to how we deal with this crisis. tat t and how we pull mexico out ofas peer
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the hole that the attorneyin general wasg peering into and asw mexica i said has become an emblematic image of how mexicans feel regarding their country today. deni [applause] and hah >> in regards to these remarks. the doctor is a harsh critic of o mexico and its leaders and hasism been ever since i have first met her nearly 20 years ago. and what hopefully will do is tont and arouse the mexican people. and
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and i do have this and where i think it's going to go. going back 50 years.ile was rely magni [inaudible] and it was amazing. and today it was really magnified in those days. and roughly at the same time mexico decided to enter the
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world.o tothe in the final throes ofat that negotiations which really opened it up to the world now includes inferior businesses and forms of government and democracy and has done transformed in many ways over the last 25 years. i'not here but it is a different country. [inaudible] he finally outlined it with the various grievances. mama here to defend in the controls situation that we have in thermous period we are 1% that controls
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an enormous disproportionate part of this. an and it happened all about thethis united states and california andcountry louisiana and tennessee and new york. and more than i am here to defend political parties were justice hin mexico american people are fed up with the current state of our politicalnd, thanti parties and they show it in the polls and that leads to another one that i'm not here to defend, the antics of donald chump for p the american people have turned toun because they. both of our countries are going
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through similar parts of democracy and i think that both of our countries are going to come out of it just fine. when joaquin "el chapo" guzman was released or when he got out that was a mistake. includes a lot of help from someone of his talents and i would say that all theed a hypotheses that he outlined are very milia because those are the same ones that i experienced inhey hav mexico 20 some years ago when the biggest drug lord seem to be was acting with impunity and one attempt to get him was theght not tong compromise within this andr therefore he got out.
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but when he was caught he was on a plane headed to houston and his mother must have been veryed to athletic because the mexican government decided to recognize the texas birth certificate and those same issues were raised 20 is some years ago and all i'm saying is that you can get past that and i think that the public outcry helps to get you there. and i think that we have to ago recognize where mexico was 25 years ago and where it is today. twenty-five years ago it was one of the most closed economies in the entire world. it was one of the most close noncompetitive systems in thehe entire world. and i think what you have today is one of the most competitiventry
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economic systems in the world iner countr terms of trade and a countryhave that has more free trade agreements with other countriesem more so than any other country where we have a political system that clearly has its flaws thatd are competitive. and where the government cannot intervene and basically the winners as we were speaking an their to a joint audience andeal to commenting in the 1990s orl serv elections. we had a great deal to do with me god of having international observers and a lot of support from the u.s. government on the electoral system in thevernment oned wi campaigns of until the election is on electn were still fraught with the problems of the past where the government intervened with different types of resources, on the election day and on the conduct of the election all of
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the international observers and the u.s. embassy said that these were free and fair elections conducted on election day. and we also didn't have a medium that was as competitive as today. the mexican government directly do th orat indirectly controlled what went into the mexican press and on that is not really their ability to do that today. for one of the reasons we have seen this, we have seen things f that areact going on with other states have similar problems the fact that they are n being reported and similar things went on when i was the ambassador but they were never reported.ill they were coverenod up. so while things are not really where we want them the fact is so
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that they are substantially ahead of where they were 25 test eff years ago. and the doctor alluded to that in all of her comments a firstic system it world country needs this open competitive economic system and work the rule of law at that the own people can have confidence in. the that is what mexico still needs and still needs more work on. they have made some stridesed full forward with judicial reforms of 2008 which is supposed to bend implemented fully by next yearon that in the hopes that they are way behind on not that we hope that he they will make progress on that. and that is where mexico really needs help. because they can enforce a rule of tngs or law that cuts into corruption
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and the kinds of things that the doctor talked about. and that is a major challenge for mexico today and so if you insecurity th have a rule a lot of people haveral of he states confidence in i think you will not have the same kinds ofption that insecurity that exists in several states and mexico were the kinds of corruption that exists in many states in mexico. and i think also that the open economic system and foreign investment that comes into mexico also helps to move in the direction that we are talking about in the rule of law because international investors, businesses, they don't want to do business for example in the united states where they are going to be subject to one practice is in violations if they participate in the system that is not fair and open and
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transparent and honest. so the influence will significantly help mexico. this government has made a great start with reforms that occurred three years ago. a particularly in energy and labor reforms and the latter which have to be implemented well. to be but i think that that's going to be a test that we need to look at, how serious are they, this government, in actually implementing the educationxico, how se reforms. education andri mexico is woefully behind. they have competitors in asiaexico isehind, and elsewhere because it is a an system that has just not perform to the standards of international education and that is a big test. on energy i guess that i am not so concerned about the problemsd of
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of the first round of auctionsou hav because here you have a situation situation where they have no experience basically and how do you have a free-market system and energy in this generation how do has ever seen. they are going to make mistakes along the way and the question is are they learning from the mistakes in the next round in the and the next round will it along the way be more fair and, open. om but if t it is you will see a lot more foreign investment and if investmen it's not it's going to be ant, if not i failure and i think it will be a success. so there are many more notes guesser here and comments. the fact that they broke apart. you know that that is inevitable and that you're not going to get three major political partiesif agreeing on everything as you go as
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forward.d. so the fact you factor you could get that done in the first year was remarkable and it's not unusual that it would break apart because each of those political parties want to havee or unu their own identity so that theycause can go to eathe polls in the next election and try to have success. so i don't think of them as is anything that we should be concerned about.o b but i do believe that there isother refo that another reform that holds promise of having a more representative government in mexico and that his reelection in the congress with each has never been possible w before. befor and so when you get a situation where you have to run for reelection and you have to present yourself to the constituency who elected you one time, you want to show them what
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you have done for them, what wh have you done for them latelyyo and during her time in office one ti and i think you're going to see a much more representative group of people elected to office as a result of that. we won't know because it doese goes into effect 2018 or something like that. i think that that is something to keep our eye on. but if they passed a moving reform in mexico. and i think it's very good tos very criticize what is going on on a constant basis and i think that's good for democracy and we also have to take a realistic view is where the country is now and where's it where is it going and i'm positive on that. >> thank you.positivepositi >> why don't we try, let's take some questions and maybe you can then respond. we have about a half hour and
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there are a lot of issues so i would like to just ask you to if i identify yourselves and wait foror the the microphone, please be brief if you have a comment. brief i just make a comment. we will start with you. >> just a question on how you see the u.s. role-playing. [inaudible] how are you feeling.? [inaudible] >> please go ahead. >> you are one of the reasons i'm here. >> we cannot escape it.
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>> even what happened, have you yourself felt pressured and that you are under the threat of losing her job at any in any particular area in which you're now working? rking? >> let's have one more right here and then we will go to the back sumac my name is danielle and i am from mexico and has been growing in mexico and it's and it' been very strong. >> great, thank you. those are good questions.
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>> talking to ambassador jones. i think that your use of the word designed is absolutely i appropriate. i think that the u.s. has given up on mexico and what do i mean by that? the obama administration has too much on his plate in terms of too much isis and domestic politics and i don't have to delve on the list. s and from speaking to american officials and mexico the obama administration made a decisionade a to not involve themselves.
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it has decided not to do so. in ts sense and this will be heightened by the escape of joaquin "el chapo" guzman.at was t because what was the first news to come out during "the new yorkhein times." that government officials had xican immediately contacted the mexican government offering to assistance. and so the mexican government was not responding.tohe tie that to the hypotheses about his escape and you willape understand this regarding the handling of them in others.
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ch and indeed that was the case andce but that was reported. and this is presented as a triumph of the administration try abo the and how does the is the u.s. they feel now that he has escaped twoha weeks after the request was put in. ines secon do i feel pressured about losing my job. well, one ofg my the things that i always tell my students and studeand a ny anyone who is involved in the public debate in mexico, is that you cannot ever have just one job because that makes you extreme extremelyly vulnerable. so i have five different jobs. i'm a professor i give
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conferences in my books. because know if and so in what ways have i feltpressure pressured, this has actually be been very ugly. i was one of the advocates of the annulment of the vote in the ec election. this was very influential in 2009 because it led to an agenda and political reform that was adopted because it was so significant and the agenda for reform was reelection and it was it many things w that became part of the political reform.was pushed why did i support this? because i don't see incentives for the party system to change. i was part of a movement that
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push something where we calledon upon every candidate in e the midterm to disclose this. and the other was that there was a potential conflict of interest issues. these three things are not required of candidates by law iny law in mexico and our wonderful democracy. only 390 complied with thiscompliedith request. and the other role that i wasinvolv in as involved with as an activist was to get signatures for the match national institute to consider taking away the registration of the green party because of the multiple violations of the law and we managed to get together
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175,000 signatures which is the largest number that changed on or has ever gone in mexico.but becausi and because i push forward without happened because it exposes the party system instead of abstaining please go and and annoy your vote because it is a sign of discontent and here is the agenda. aftethat, the after that the threats came. and that includes death threats a deliberate campaign on the part of the mexican left. left, that and that was the faction that fell the most horrible because
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they are trying to present themselves as the realothers estlish opposition. and so the most paradoxical thing up my entire career has been feel the worst threats and the worst campaign of this and efforts to discredit me because i charge for conferences. look on twitter.st lo and you will see. there was a cable that describe a breakfast that i had with someone at the embassy but the worst worst campaign to try to get me removed from this has come from mu thelt left. and the role of civil society that is my source of of optimism
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and here is my rejoinder to the ambassador jones and his comment. something about harsh criticisms. because mexico is a country ofmexico as coun many.mpetitivin when when i hear that at least now we have competitive elections and now there is more media and the least they arehere's m revealing corruption even if they are getting killed or at. and it's like this is it's like
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waving a red flag for me because it's the argument. and so at the very least we are better off. and this is what is said. three days ago in mexico, there are countries that are better off in mexico. well i'm sorry. are be it is not at the level of the ground. and i'm not going to congratulate myself as other goin intellectuals do not a on and we wel can not claim that any more. the problem is that yes, we have reforms and there have been manyreforms.
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which upgraded many of the problems that we are dealing with now. reforms th performs that were applauded and poorly instrumented and contributed to what makes the and economy uncompetitive. and these are not this is not my impression. these are the numbers that theypression, these publish and we aremy falling we a behind time and again. so why can we not perform properly and why do do we not achieve this. with a privileged geographicalh the location, millions of people who end up in this country.king we move sideways. time and again because there isn't enough honesty in our
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diagnosis of the situation of the country. when there is not enough honesty, the solutions are not the appropriate ones and they are not at deep as they should be and they do not take on the vested interest as they should.ugh hone so i would place my hopes elsewhere. because i do not believe that trying to influence the mexican el political class onse its own to adopt appropriate public policy reforms to benefit mexicancause citizens but that is not going to happen. to happnless and it's not going to happen unless there's pressure from below. that i agree that it's time for them to take their country and it's very difficult to do so because they blackness.lack i can get this in a week.k, and i i can do this for every single
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congressmen and they are going to ignore the signature. because there is no incentive to be connected. and yes, there is competition but no representation. and it works very well because wi we adopted a system ofth public financing whereby the survival doesn't depend upon this vote but a mathematical formula related to how many people turn to page 18 every year. and so so i call it a system of extraction without representation and civil society learning how to organize it gets tired because it mobilizes and it organizes and that petitionszes, it tition and lobbyists and it's very difficult to enact. in a system that has been diffic
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established not represent people. the ambassador says that i was among many who pushed for reelection and we got reform.pened? th and thee parties set up a system whereby they controlled who can be reelected. it's not as it is viewed in the united states as it works in is it other countries but another reform that was applaudedno and then badly instrumented so that it would not have the effect that we all wanted to have. and this is what happens in it mexico time and wiagain. all so yes i am -- i celebrate the fact that we have a education reform and that they are going to come to mexico and that there will be advantages for consumers ast a result of this. have
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i can see those little lights. but those are not enough and i don't think it's fair to compare concentration in mexico with income concentration in the period because here you have that level but you do not have happened your population livingot in poverty.have half of and so you have a substantial middle class that actually hasas political political representation. and so when citizens in the country organize a petition with the signatures they get listened to. or otherwise they get tossed out and the problem in mexico is mexi that party system cannot toss this out. >> we are going to take a few
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more questions. and we want to and close to this. please, let's go with peter. >> you said that you have someme optimism and there may be some ballistic pairs do you have described.of wha can you talk about this even if it's only 1% or 5%. and can you tell me what you might want him to have.
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is it brazil, is it china what is the objective remark. [inaudible] >> you have been patient, yes.>> yesir, so thank you. >> i would like to speak on my personal capacity. haven [inaudible] and again, that is a better responsibility.
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and so how do we empower the we empothe c communities and what will happen in the municipality. [inaudible] and in other words i think it is time to return to mexico to thetuthe towns basis. this includes being responsible. so how do we make this happen? >> thank you. in the back do we have a question? >> if you could elaborate what
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you have mentioned, what do you attribute this to, why have the number of attacks been higher and what could be done including the institutions that you mentioned. >> thank you. we will have a final lesson here. >> thank you. >> i would just like to elaborate a little bit more onabor what is happening because i think that we have done a great deal. >> thank you all very much.. >> the inequality issue, mexico made a mistake but after the passage of nafta, something that we talked about in that youu cannot cannot have half of the population left out of the system and still hope to have a viable and thriving democracy
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and they didn't do the things that could've been done aty. that time namely putting massive infrastructure into the southern half of mexico putting realfrastrucre into situations into this, health care delivery, they still need to be improved and i think that that's the major way that you'reap going to close that gap of inequality and wealth as well. condly secondly anyone who sticks their head above water is going toter is gng to have threats both to them personally as i have had in my political career and to the job. thats et that goes with the territory.he terri soto i applaud the doctor for her sticking her head above water and recognizing the threats that go with it and i think more needs to be done. with i i think .. to be done. in 1994 elections against the
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better wishes of the mexican a government we really insisted that it be an open transparent election election and we insisted on having international observers there to make sure of that. that was not well received, but it was done and it was done well. after the election, one of the major civil society and gao asked to see me and we visited he said what should we do next? i suggested they are to start a common cause, which is is what john gardner started in the united states where citizens can elect their representatives, and he shrugged his shoulders and said they will never listen to us. to me it was very discouraging

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