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crash site. and getting to it because of fog and bad weather iran supreme leader is calling for everyone to pray for health and vowing there will be no disruption in iran government. we've got full coverage of this developing story and we begin with cnn's nic robertson, nick, what more are you learning about trying to locate the crash site? >> yeah. >> it doesn't seem to be fixed yet. they do seem to have an idea, idea, a precise idea of the size of the area they're looking at perhaps about two kilometers square that sort of, that sort of size areas about a myelin, a half square. so not a massive area but. it's rugged. it's high in the mountains. is dark now it's freezing. it's mere freezing conditions, very cold we're told it's too foggy further helicopters to fly its nine hours now, since that helicopter was first reported

missing, that there has been some news from the site of the crash. helicopter there was some communication between one of the crew. i'm one of the one of the passengers onboard the helicopter. and they've had and the government as reported that that communication patient happened a couple of occasions and they say the report from the team on the ground that the crew member and the passenger on the ground who they were able to contact was that it? the impact or the crash wasn't that severe but despite the passage of so much time, despite having had that level of communication, the advice that the government is giving to the people of iran at the moment is that pray for the president and the foreign minister and the other senior dignity dignitaries who run that helicopter with him. so it does seem that because the mountains are rugged, there promote the terrain is hard to move through on foot. it's very muddy, it's hard to get

vehicles in close. they've got mountain climbers in there. they've got paramedics on-site, ambulances, on-site. the army has hoping the police are helping the elite irgc are also involved in this, in this search and recovery mission. at the moment. and the reason that the president was there in the first place, right up there in the very north west of iran was to open a dam earlier in the de, it was a big deal, was right on the border with azerbaijan. azerbaijan's president came down to the border. they met at the border. they had a meeting after after the inauguration of the dam. >> so this was a very big moment for the iranians, particularly in their diplomacy within the region but an important signal for for a radians as well. >> he was a president and oraa rating a new project to benefit the people of the country. but now of course, is turned to this intense spain accumulation in the fog in the cold weather. some limited contact with some people who are on the ground who were in the same helicopter

as the president, but still not able to fix a location as best we know. not able even to get there thank you so much. neck to you, kevin, lip tag, a traveling with the president of the united states who is in detroit for a speech and dinner later on today with the end double acp has the president been briefed? >> he has. and we did learn that from the press secretary, karine sean pierre, as the president, was flying here to detroit from atlanta. she didn't offer any other details about the incident there, but i can tell you fredricka, everyone in the white house inside the state department across the biden administration will be watching this very, very closely. of course, dk tails are quite scan and the united states does not have an official diplomatic relations with iran. so it will be relying certainly on partners in europe and elsewhere to ascertain what exactly has happened on the ground there. but of course, this only lends more instability and more

uncertainty to a world landscape that is already very uncertain for president biden, of course, he is confronting the crisis in the middle east. in fact, his national security adviser, jake sullivan, is in israel today to talk to the israeli please about a potential hostage deal that would result in a temporary ceasefire. and you can imagine president biden watching this and wondering what exactly this could a mean for a region that is already very much on the edge, of course, or-awn has targeted american troops in the region through its proxies at launched that barrage of missiles and drones toward israel only a couple of weeks ago, president biden's overarching sort of mission throughout all of this is to prevent the conflict from spiraling out of control and to avoid dragging the united and it states in closer to direct conflict with iran, there have been backed channel discussions between the us and iran about that very topic, including reportedly just last week, but certainly now president biden

watching this and wondering what exactly will happen next, he is here in detroit. we do expect him to speak at this dinner for the nwa cp a few hours from now, we saw him earlier at a cafe talking with some business owners. he has not commented on this topic just yet, and i think oh that's not by any surprise president biden not wanting to say anything before the facts on the ground or ascertained because certainly how he responds, how the united states responds to this will be very closely watched not only in iran, but around the world. fredricka, right? >> and a gathering intel from this situation is already going to be very difficult. thank you so much, kevin. let's go to cnn, pentagon correspondent oren liebermann or in the us is monitoring this very closely absolutely. >> and that's because the us and the biden administration have dealt with the government of ebrahim racy over the course of the past several years. and they are very familiar with his hardline positions. remember,

it was ready you see when he was inaugurated that beat hassan rouhani, his moderate predecessor, and moved the government of iran more into sort of an anti west and us position. we have seen an align itself much more closely with russia since the beginning of ukraine war. and this is something the us and the biden administration are very aware of. what did even predates the ukraine war when the administration was looking to restart the gcp, a way to get some restrictions on iran's nuclear program. raisi came and he was inaugurated during that time and essentially pushed hard line positions in the negotiations. and those negotiations fell apart. we've got to keep in mind, of course, as kevin pointed out, there are no direct relations between the us and ronson. these were all done indirectly. all of these negotiations, and it was indirect negotiations back in september of 2023 that led raisi's government and iran to release five american hostages that the us designated as wrongfully detained in exchange, the us unfrozen $6 billion in iranian assets that in and of itself was viewed as a male he's your breakthrough

to be able to secure the release of those american hostages, but it hasn't led to some wider thawing of relations between the us and iran were ec, iran's government is still considered very hard line. raisi himself is very close to iran, supreme leader ayatollah humming, i eat and has even considered one of those that might be his successor, the us very much aware of all this and that's one of the other reasons you're seeing the us stay very quiet here as kevin pointed out, as the government, and that's not just the white house, but also the state department, the pentagon try to get a better handle on what exactly happened that led to this crash. >> oren liebermann. thank you so much. nic robertson and kevin lived jack to all of you. appreciate it coming up. >> president biden is alan the campaign trail in detroit after delivering a historic commencement that at morehouse college will break down his appeal to black voters. plus national security adviser, jake sullivan, met with israeli prime minister netanyahu today. okay but has any progress been made for potential ceasefire and the release of more israeli

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you to hold onto hope to move heaven on earth to make better days last my commitment to you to show your democracy, democracy, democracy is still the way the black matter bank killed in the street. >> we bear witness for me, that means the call out the poison of white supremacy throughtout systemic racism i stood up for george, was george flores family so i'll create a country. we don't need to have that talk with your son or grandson as they get pulled over instead of a trail of broken promises? we're investing more money than ever, and families and black communities cnn's arlette signed has more from morehouse college in atlanta fred president biden celebrated the next generation of black leaders here at morehouse college is commencement, but he

also took time to acknowledge the concerns of many young people about his handling of the conflict in gaza, while the president spoke several students took their chairs and turn them around, sitting with their backs towards the president in a sign of peaceful protests. the school's valedictorian actually address the issue of gaza head-on in his remarks, saying that there needs to be a, an immediate and permanent ceasefire in this conflict. now, president biden also took time to acknowledge the concerns, saying that he respects the right to peaceful protests that these students need to make their voices heard and that he is hearing their concerns and he also tried to talk about what his administration has done to try to secure for a ceasefire deal in gaza. take a listen. >> we're clapping in gaza and israel, it's heartbreaking hamas is vicious attack on israel, killing medicine lives and holding people hostage innocent palestinians caught in the middle of all this men, women, and children killed or displaced displayed in

desperate need of water, food, and medicine it's a humanitarian crisis in gaza that's why i've called for an immediate ceasefire an immediate ceasefire to stop the friday bring the hostages home. >> the president also, during his remarks that he's working towards a two-state solution, a moment that drew applause from the crowd, including one of those students, at least of who had turned their back to the president. now biden also try to use this speech to appeal to black voters. a key part of his constituency back in 20, 21 that he is trying to rebuild support with as amid signs of some erosion in support, the president talked about efforts to try to fight back against white supremacy and racism in this country. a while also calling, calling out extremists actions, extremist views they've taken hold among some in the country. the president tried to tout efforts that he has put in place to help black americans like lowering insulin costs, cancel it's linked student debt, but it's clear

that the president was trying to keep the focus on the students this week. with this commencement ceremony, he now heading over to detroit where he will speak at a and double acp dinner a little bit later this evening, fred arlette saenz. thank you so much. meanwhile, former president trump was in dallas last night delivering a speech at the annual nra convention. it was his ninth address to the organization, the former president said the rights of gun owners are quote under siege here cnn's steve contorno the national rifle association, endorsed donald trump for president at their convention in dallas on saturday. >> but the former president said he needs more than the backing of gun owners in this election. he needs their votes we've got to get gun owners to vote because you know what? i don't know what it is. perhaps it's a form of rebellion because you're a rebellious people argue, but gun owners don't vote. what is that all about? i've heard that i heard it a few weeks ago that if gun owners voted, we would swamp

them at levels that nobody's please ever seen before. so i think you're a rebellious bunch but let's be rebellious and vote this time, ok. >> trump went onto boasts that he quote, didn't move an inch on gun laws when he was president and he has said that gun owners have been quote, under siege, under president joe biden. he vowed to unravel all of joe biden's gun policies if he is elected to a second term and said he would also fire the atf director, the nation's top gun regulator. >> his appearance in dallas drew a strong rebuke from the biden campaign with this statement coming from vice president harris at a time when guns are the number one cause of death for children and teens america, donald trump is catering to the gun lobby and threatening to make the crisis worse if reelected, it remains to be seen how much the nra can assist donald trump this cycle eight years ago, they put upward of 30 million toward helping him defeat hillary clinton. >> but the organization has faced a number of crisises in

the region in recent years, including scandal was related to financial mismanagement that have threatened its relevancy and his coffers steve contorno cnn, dallas. >> all right. for our more in everything we've been seeing on the campaign trail, it's bring in former special assistant to president biden and megan hayes also with this former republican congressman and a senior advisor to the newly launched all republican legacy group, charlie dent. good to see both of you all right. >> megan, you first president biden has been working this weekend to secure support from black voters. do you think the message that he made it more house yet several messages at morehouse today struck the right chords i do i think it was really well received by the students, by the families, by the audience. that was there, including alumni. i think that he made his he starting to make his case more known to folks and he's getting out there on the trail and we'll see it again tonight at the end of lacp event in detroit. but i do think that his speech today at morehouse was a great success for him, and i believe the folks at the white house do as well.

>> charlie biden is now in michigan where he will speak at the end of lacp dinner tonight. can biden win without a significant portion? of black voter support in november so i think our gnal, sorry, your audio broke up. okay. well, can you hear me now all right it looks like we're having a pretty poor signal issue. will try to resolve that with charlie damp, but i wonder meghan, if i can ask you, then can president biden win reelection without a significant portion of black voter support? >> okay, i don't think he's in danger of losing a massive majority of the black support here. i think it's just shoring up his base. i think it's going and reminding folks what he's been doing for them for the last couple of years in office. and what he'll do for them moving forward. so i don't think he's in fear of losing them. i think these folks are going to come home at the end of the de i think that they are making the young black

voters especially are making their voice known with protein tests and some other things with the palestine and israel conflict, which is well within their right, but they are going to come home to the democratic party. it's history had told us that that's normally what happens, but i do think that he'll be fine in november. >> all right. so meghan with charlie gone, i need you to look at both perspectives here. i wonder dressed we have former president trump's speaking at an nra event this weekend and he is saying that the rights of gun owners are under siege. so our gun-related issues, top of mind, front and center in this presidential election that's interesting. i'm not exactly sure. i don't necessary in the polling shows that's not exactly what folks are carrying about. it's the economy, it's abortion rights, it's immigration are all top of mind for folks. i don't see that gun issues are in the top three for issues that folks are voting on. i think that when president trump is going to the nra, that's for his face. he's trying trying to to get more confidence in his base. that's how it gets donations and

donor. so i don't necessarily think it's in the top issues for that america, i do think it is for the republican party that supports donald trump. is it you're filling the nra is as influential today as it once was no, i don't think so. >> i think that's the gun industry and not actually gun owner. i do actually think some of the things that he was railing about in his speech about the laws and different they're trying to take our guns and issues. and the second amendment is under siege. i don't actually think that's what gun owners believed. i think that's what the gun industry is trying to put forth. but again, and i i don't own a gun and i'm not in the gun industry, so i can't speak totally to that, but that's that's more what i think is out there in america and not necessarily what actually is happening for actual gun owners. >> and now looking forward in a different way, we're just five widths now away from the first presidential debate, right here at cnn between and biden and former president trump at both agreed just past week that it will happen and here's a reminder in case anybody forgot what it looked like between the two of them when they matched

up? in the 2020 race what do you want to call them? >> give me a name, give me proud, and write stan from my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that's what has to happen. >> i'm the least racist person in this room, abraham lincoln here is one of the most racist prejudice we've had in modern history. >> the question justice to the left, would you all right. >> so megan and i understand that charlie dent will be joining us again to we've re-established our connection, but let me ask you, since you're just looking at that to do you think things will be different? i mean, there will be no audience this time in

this cnn debate microphones will be a cut off after the allotted answer time has expired what do you anticipate i mean, i was at that debate in cleveland and i remember it. >> well, i mean, i hope that no one has covid this time. i hope we're not in danger of that again, but i do hope that it's different. i do hope that there's more civility, unfortunately, i don't think that necessarily there's going to be, but i do think that they are trying to make that more of what still american, the american people and voters can actually see a contrast between the two. so i do think that not having an audience really helps that. and i think cutting off microphones helps on both sides. so they can get their points across concisely and they can get to questions and answer the questions that are most pressing to voters okay. >> all right. charlie debt. i understand your back. can you hear me now? >> again? okay. good. all right. where do i begin? let's try and catch up here. all right. well, let's let's come off that debate scenario there remains acrimony between these two men, but how do you see the dynamic on the debate stage being any different this year?

>> of course, there's acrimony between these two men. donald trump and joe biden. they're going to have these debates. i think the format is much better. these debates may actually make a difference in this election cycle as far as i'm concerned, because voter's minds have largely been made up and there aren't that many persuadable voters. so if the debates going to matter, it may matter in this election it's smart that they're happening this early. both candidates are experiencing real problems with their basis right now, joe biden is trying to shore up his support among african americans where he is underperforming relative to 2020. and of course, donald trump has probably comes with those nikki haley voters still voters, republican voters are in primaries, are voting around 20% for nikki haley, right now, and donald trump has really not done much to bring them into the fold. and it's clear to me that many republican voters are looking for an alternative to donald trump and joe biden right now with trump speaking at the nra in dallas, how influential is the nra right

now? >> not nearly as influential as they once were. they've been going through a lot of turmoil with wayne lapierre. is departure all the scandal and the financial prices to lawsuits, the judgments, the nra is still going to be a force. i bet i think much less of a force in terms of money and we'll see how much organization they can still do given the turmoil that has really ensnared the nra but they remain powerful force or power comes with their membership, frankly and so they're really good at reaching out to their members and telling their members who to vote for. and their members tend to follow direction pretty well. so they will still be a force, but not as much of a force. because of all the other issues surrounding the scandal that played the organization. >> all right. charlie dent, glad we were able to re-establish the connection. meghan, hey, thank you so much for hanging in there as well. appreciate you both. >> we have more on our breaking news out of iran, new details on the search and rescue

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how strong those signals are, but they are saying it's enough for them to be able to say hey, that they know where the crash site is. this information is coming from the head of the irgc, the elite military court in iran in east azerbaijan, the area where the helicopter went down in that province, right up in the northwest of afghanistan. so this ends, this is enough information. and they've got true on the way there. now, they're saying that they are hoping that there will be some good news if there's a phone signal and a signal from the helicopter, but they don't know on the well-being of all the passengers that might seem to indicate that some of this is sort of this location finding is happening at a technical level rather than people being on, let's say they're helicopters. helicopters, radio system, or that crew member actually using the phone. but we did have reports from the iranian

authorities before that, they'd had a couple of communications with a crew member and a passenger onboard that the president's helicopter. so they'd had those communications earlier now they're saying that this is a signal for the helicopter and a mobile phone that's giving them the information where they need to send these troops to right now okay so the bad weather though, is still a complicated complicating factor. >> neck, even though they have the ping or, you know, of this technology getting to this crash site is still going to be a colossal obstacle, right? >> it is and what the erinyes will be able to do is flood the area with a lot of troops what may not be their speciality is to, is to coordinate them particularly well, but they will have a lot of people at their disposal that they can get up now into the refined and we suspect smaller search area, if you will. but we also know

that the iranians have asked the turkish authorities who've agreed to send them a helicopter night vision sort of search and rescue helicopter it's sort of a bit surprising that the iranians would not have available to search for their president, their own night vision helicopter search and rescue. but they've asked the turkish who have much more modern army, if you will have much more modern equipment than the iranian military. and that is going to be bought into the situation too. so it does seem that incrementally they're getting closer to that crash site. but the mystery still remains how big is the debris field and how is the president, how is the foreign minister? what are their injuries? have they survived thus far in these very cold conditions, right. >> and what brought that helicopter down? >> all right. nic robertson. thank you so much. i'm also joined by frida ghitis, cnn.com oh, contributor and global affairs columnist for the washington post, plus cnn

military analysts and retired air force colonel cedric latent. great to see all of you a join this conversation. so kernel, you first-year, let's begin with the rugged weather conditions, the fog, all complicating a rescue efforts iran's military, i remember nikki reporting earlier would also be a component in this search effort. what do you know about the country's readiness for something like this? >> well, for greek aid is a very difficult for them to mount these kinds of operations. now they do have some experience handling earthquake rescue. rescue operations. they also have some other disaster relief operations under their belt, but crashed sides. i while they have had some experience with some recent graph disasters, they are not well equipped, especially in remote areas to handle this kind of an event. it's always a shock for it to go through something like this.

but in the iranian case sanctions have definitely made a difference. and as nick was mentioning in his room, according the turkish military, i is definitely providing needed equipment for this kind of a surge operation and search and rescue operation in this case. >> and frida i mean, could this potentially create a power vacuum in the country despite the supreme leader saying there will be no corruption in the government. given this crash and the unanswered questions about what has happened and what is happening yeah. >> comments from the supreme leader that there's going to be continuity that everything's okay. there's stability in the government that was it was part reassurance, part warning because we know that there has been a lot of unrest in iran. it was just a year ago that we had huge protests that that in fact it was racy who was one of the one of the people who

organize the crack down on the men. but the reality is that there is no real power vacuum. the power is the supreme leader and the prime the president is really the number two in the government in this particular case president raisi, was a particularly strong president because of its closeness to the supreme leader and there was a lot of talk that he might be the successor to come and who is old and is set to not be in the best of health. so he was a particularly strong president for that reason for it, because of his closeness to the supreme leader. but this really injects and new, a new source of potential instability in the region as a whole when there's so much else going on, we have, you have this war between israel and hamas. we have no hezbollah, which is so closely ron engaged in regular, frequent clashes with israel.

so it's a, it's a difficult that tends time in the middle east and this potentially makes it, makes it even more and kernel, it's been some nine hours. >> nick was reported according since the crash happened, what are your concerns about the elapse of time? obviously, weather has hampered efforts. it's unclear whether whether it had something to do with his accident in the first place since iranian media reported that the conditions were pretty poor when this floor flight was happening what are your thoughts about how disadvantageous it is at 90 hours now have elapsed and it's nightfall yeah, there's a real problem for greek of because of one of the things that if there are survivors that they're going to have to deal with is hypothermia in mountainous conditions where it's very cold there. >> it becomes really difficult to keep everybody warm and if

people are immobilized because of injuries that they received in a crash like this? i is survival becomes a matter of finding them quickly and getting them. the warms that they need and the medical attention that they need, and failing to locate the crash site in a timely fashion is going to limit their ability to provide that first day necessarily stabilization and medical stabilization to the passengers and this aircraft and frida, i mean, the near immediacy and publicity of this crash is quite striking, is it not? >> i mean, for country that often is very holds information very close to the vast what does this mean? in your view that even this would be publicized i think this information was going to get out and they wanted to control the flow of information. >> i think it's very interesting that the iranian media iranian state media said

leon that the accident occurred because of bad weather and that's actually a good sign as far as as far as containing this keeping it from becoming part of a larger conflict because it wouldn't have been very surprising if iran decided to blame somebody else for what happened. there are multiple possible full flows over iran that could have been accused of making this happen. it's obvious that the weather is very bad. everybody can see it, but i thought it was very, very significant that state media said that early on that it was caused by weather, even though i suppose they could change the story, but that's what we have right now. i think the government wants to control the flow of information. they want to prevent conspiracy theories and with so many, so many moving parts here in the political on the port political scenario i think it was important for them to get a handle on that they have to

think need to find this wreckage and they're mobilizing is very, very large number of people. so that would have made it harder, is banned. they're mobilizing, they are getting help from other countries which would make it even harder to keep a secret. >> all right, we'll leave it there for now. frida ghitis, kernel, cedric clayton, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. >> we're also following the overnight airstrikes in central gaza that palestinian health officials say killed at least 35 people plus the linear this development for a potential ceasefire deal after national security adviser jake sullivan meets with israeli prime minister netanyahu in $500 million in art stolen. me, saw what turned out to be the biggest heist in history. >> you can't help but wonder if this was some sort of fee inside job. >> how would really happen with jesse l. martin tonight at nine on cnn, i was born with wings but psoriasis swooped into clip them it crushed my confidence, but no longer will psoriasis

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conviction or acquittal? >> rodrigo. thank you for having me on this this trial so far is going to end shortly, really, there have been no surprises and including the testimony of all the witnesses, everyone is expected. michael cohen to say what he said and expected the cross-examination to be as it was the only surprise. so far has been the good behavior of donald trump during the testimony of the witnesses and that surprise that may happen. and it would be a big surprise if he chooses to testify he won't but he has an absolute right not to testify because it's going to be his call. >> so everything here's i don't think anyone is surprised at all that how things are going the key, one of the keys is indeed, as you mentioned, the testimony of michael cohen, but there's much more to that. there's the documentary evidence and it's about following the money and

following the papal paper trail and hooking all of them that up with the testimony of the witnesses. that's what this case is really all about and what the jurors are going to have to consider. >> all right. and now we'll have you as a retired california superior court judge. i've got to ask you about the us supreme court justice samuel alito in a response to that upside down, american flag flying outside his home possible nod to january 6. and surgeons and the stop the steal mantra at he's blaming his wife should alito recuse himself from any january 6 related or presidential immunity case matters well, of course, he should and he won't. but as you mentioned, this this is, it's downing to me, it's open season on the wives, right? alito blames martha n clarence blames ginni, and actually senator menendez blames nadine it's not write menendez blames nadine and it's just open season. it's just blame the wives and i will tell you, thanks to were just talk about the supreme court,

alito and clarence thomas. the highest court in the land is ethically and morally fast becoming the lowest court in the land and indeed the courts favorably with the american public, the people, it's supposed to serve as at an all time low yes, he should recuse himself. he will not because no one can make him just as clarence thomas should recuse himself on these these cases that deal with the insurrection it's very, very sad that this court is these justices are acting the way they are, but the big problem is there is no one yet to rein them in and the one person who could is chief justice roberts. >> and he is not stepped up. >> he's the chief to say to them, you need to stop doing in this. you need to recuse yourself. he could, but we're all just waiting and right now, all we hear is silence all right great to hear your voice judge. >> ladoris hazard cordell. thanks so much. we'll be right

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