people who have been killed. we think that's an underestimate we can tell you about the injuries, the horrific injuries to innocent children. and this is not about intentions, this is about the reality on the ground 2.1 million people living there. and so this is not about judging the intentions. it's about judging the realities and the actions. and i'm afraid that the humanitarian situation in gaza now represents an absolutely grave threat to the lives of 2 million people. that's not a military question. that's a humanitarian question. >> i will, secretary miliband, i very much appreciate your taking the time and talking to us tonight. >> thank you very much for your time. >> and thanks very much to all of you for being with us tonight. and this week, we'll be back here again on monday as the trump trial continues, michael cohen back on the stand still under cross-examination by todd blanche we'll see what that brings on monday morning. have a good weekend. ac30 60 begins right now welcome to

this special edition of see three 60 the karen mcdougal interview mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trump's hush money trial. she says they had an affair starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months the former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with stormy daniels. karen mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the national enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme i spoke to her about it back in 2018 karen mcdougal had never told her story on camera in full until this interview, and she's never done an interview like it since if we could just start at the beginning. how did you meet donald trump? >> i met donald whenever filming the celebrity apprentice at the playboy mansion, they were filming there and i was hired as one of deployments to work at the pool party, seen as quite funny, actually. and you'd worked for playboy for some time yes.

>> i after becoming play mated the year i was required to work, so many events with playboy. and that was one of the events that i thought would be fun and i worked at and there are a lot of women there and we just saw had a great time and that's where we met how did you actually meet he said hello, like, he would to anybody and then throughout the night, it was dave was kind of obvious that there was an attraction from his part to me. and i kinda just blew it off. >> you can see him looking at you oh, i could see it. and the playboy bunny, she's like the house mom is what we call her. she actually made a comment like, wow, this guy is really into you, and that's when i started like paying attention and he was and i smile that it that it was kinda cute and funny. and then at the end of the nights after striking up many conversations, we exchange, he actually asked me to write his phone my phone number down for for him to keith did you want to see him again i thought it would be nice to communicate with him

and talked to him. >> i actually at that point, didn't consider dating are going out with him, but i did think he's interesting person. he is brilliant and i like smart minds and i think that i was interested in a communication for sure so when was the next communication i believe we talked right away in the phone and i think we talked for about a week on the phone before his next visit to la and that was his birthday, which i think is june 12, would would you call you? he would call me i would call him vice versa. >> so you had his phone number? >> i haven't many of us on the road. yes. >> do you have his address number for him or did you have to go through somebody? yes. >> i have as direct phone number, i have quite a few of the direct phone number is i also had bodyguard keith phone number i had is personal secretaries phone number. >> and what were the conversations like? >> the conversations were like any other conversation you have with a nice person. we got along great. we had respect for each other we had fun. we were funny together. we had a good time we will talk about

anything and everything from what kind of food you like to house your family. he asked me how my family was to politics, to anything like normal, everyday life, conversations. >> so tell me about your first date. >> our first date, i was told we were going to go to the beverly hills hotel for dinner so he had told me that keith has bodyguard was going to pick me up at a certain time and he didn't and then we were driving over to the beverly hills hotel and keith drove around to the back and he said, we have to get out here because we don't want to walk through the hotel. and at that minute, i'm like thinking to myself, are we going to her room because i thought we were having dinner at their bilbo hills hotel in the actual restaurant right? well, we did have dinner at the beverly hills hotel, but in his bungalow instead, we had dinner there for a few hours. we talked for a few hours. we had a great time. we're getting to know each other we're? talking about his birthday. >> and then as the night ended, we were intimate. when you got

to the remal io's hotel and keats we're not gonna go through the lobby. we're gonna go was it to a room at the beverly hills hotel or a suite or it was a bundle and back it's the one he said he always stayed at. and in fact, every time that i met him there, it was the same exact bungalow and he's told that the nicest bundle they had so i guess that's why he chose that one, but that's yeah, that's where we went every time. were you concerned when you realize you're not going to go out to dinner, you're actually going to be getting in the bunk load. i think that first night i was concerned because i didn't i wasn't expecting to go to a hotel room or bungalow, whatever you want to call it i actually thought we were going to dinner, so it was a big concern. and i think at that moment is when i realized maybe something else is going on. i'm a smart girl. i i probably could have figured it out, but i really wasn't thinking. i think i was so faris to actually meet with him in general that it kinda just didn't even think it wasn't my thought process at that moment. i was just too nervous to actually meet him. so were you attracted to him? >> i was attracted to him.

yeah. he sees a nice-looking man and i like just charisma. i think i love good, great posture. he's got great posture and he has nice show. >> there's the sex was consensual it wasn't clear. >> yes and what happened afterward after that night, you said it should have ended on a strange node. >> so what happened after you had been intimate well after we had been instrument, he he tried to pay me and i actually didn't know how to take that. and he actually tried to hand you money. >> he did he did and i said, i mean, i just had those look of just i don't even know how to describe the look on my face must have been so sad because i never been offered money like that before. number one, bring number two, i thought does he think that i'm in this for money or why i'm here tonight? or is this a normal thing? i didn't know but i looked at him and i said that's not me. i'm not that kind of girl and he said, oh, and he said,

you're really special. and i was like, thank you. >> i left. i actually got into the car for kids to take me home. >> sorry, crying. i was really sad and it really hurt me. but i went back. >> hurt you that he saw you in that way? yes. it hurt me that he saw me in that light and he obviously assumed that that's the kind of girl i was maybe because i was a playmate i don't know. but even though you'd had a night of conversation and days of conversation it hurt you that boil down in the end to that it's it hurt me. it did hurt me. i was crying in the backseat of the car like i said, i got home and into my apartment and i cried for a lot. i felt really terrible about myself, let alone he felt but i felt terrible about myself and i got over it. >> but did you think you would see him again? >> i didn't i didn't think i'd see him again, but then when he called, i was a bad place in life. i just came out of a bad relationship where i never felt good enough in my

relationship and not that that's any excuse. it's not. but i think i was so down on myself that when he called and he is so sweet like what everyone sees on tv. i didn't see in that man because that man was a very sweet, very respectful, very loving, very kind, and caring like that's the man i saw. >> he's you can be very charming in-person. >> it's very charming, is very sweet. as personality to me was wow, but i loved it. it was great. >> when do when was the next time you saw him? >> i'd have to look back at my i took journal back in the day and not just for anything in particular, but i till this day i still write down everything i do during the day that's what i do if i looked at that, i could find out, but i think it was that same couple of days within a week because he was in town when it came to la, he was usually there between three, between 3567 days and i usually saw him. >> you gave us the journal that you kept. you would write down on days you saw him, you you

wouldn't write how his full name? no, i either call them t or dt because if anyone found this i wouldn't want to expose myself or expose him. >> so there's a number of days here. it looks like dozens over the course of time with those small little dt and sometimes they're hard to see i purposely kind of chicken scratch to a lot on there because i know what i'm writing. >> and like i said, to this day, i still do that with my notes and where i'm where i'm at, who i talked to, whatever i did i did write that down, so did i see him quite a few times, quite a bit absolutely. we spent a lot of time together and did you tell friends about it at the time? i did. i told a few friends. i told my sister, i actually told my mother that i knew him and we talked on a regular basis, but i told her that we were just friends and she scolded me a little bit like, i hope it's only friends because, you know, is married and i'm like, yes, i understand. my sister actually her own she was with me one time and she i couldn't hold

the phone because i was busy. so she put him on speaker and we were just talking. i mean, i didn't care. it's like she knew anyway. so when you have a relationship with somebody, you don't hide it, right? if there's feelings, you don't hide their relationship. >> did he ever asked you to hide it? >> no, he didn't number. so there was never a conversation of don't in fact, i think once he asked, does your sister no. and i said, yeah, she knows he's like all so he wasn't afraid to hide it at all. >> and you knew he was married? >> i did. >> did he bring up his wife did you bring it up no. i i never brought up his wife. he did once and that's the only time i can remember when you said she was an intelligent woman? she needed like, i don't know, four or five languages. but other than that, he never talked about his wife and i never brought her up i obviously, there's a reason i don't bring it up because i felt guilty about it. so i after never seen her until the one occasion. i never correlated the two really, i just kinda out of sight out of

mind. >> when you met it was 2006, correct? >> was this shortly after his son had been born yeah. ls what would he talked about his child. >> his son? no the only thing you said about his son was isn't the name baron a nice name? >> i said, yeah, it is. i said, how did you choose that name? and he told me and that's no conversation as you enter a relationship, obviously in any relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel and how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it? >> when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. like i'm really sorry for that. i know it's a wrong thing to do. but back in those days, sorry okay back in that

de i was a different girl. i you know, i had fun. i was in the playboy is seen i was just enjoying life as much as i could and you know, when i got what him actually, you know, there was a there was a real relationship chip there, there was real they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just home. there was a real relationship there and i kinda out of sight, out of mind with everything else. in steven sayyed, i did have a lot of guilt but i still continue, you believe though, that he had real feelings for you? >> of course, he did i know we did. >> you would say that hey, ten. >> were you in love with him? >> i lost yeah. >> and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah. >> did donald trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? >> he always told me he loved me yeah. of course.

>> did he have any nicknames for you? >> he had called me baby or had called me beautiful karen. >> what do always see him just in los angeles? >> know no, i wouldn't i actually went to a golf tournament with him in lake tahoe i went to his golf course and in california i went to his his golf course home in new jersey and went to his home in new york and trying to think where else i can't recall right now. >> yeah. >> when you say what you would arrange to go some place, how would it be arranged? >> i would pay for the flight. i would book it myself i would book the hotel room if i wasn't staying with him. usually i stayed with him, but there's been a couple of times where i didn't and then he would reimburse me. so at the flight was i don't know. llosa number of the flight was $500. he'd give me $500 and say, here's take care of the flight

and things like that. >> so why would he have you book all the travel and the hotel rooms there's no paper trail and did you realize that at the time? >> yes, i did. >> because he was concerned about it being revealed at some point and there being a paper trail oh, i was told this there's no payables your paper trail. >> i can't say what his reasons were about i i would assume that's the case, yes. yes. >> you said you went to a golf tournament and tahoe? >> i did. >> there are other women now who've come forward saying that they also had met with him and had sex with him at that event, were you aware of any other women yeah, i was not. >> i mean, i was with them a lot so i didn't see anything but could he have had stayed a day longer than me? sure did you think that this relationship was going to last for a long time? >> did you have then you did?

>> know i i felt it was getting much stronger there were no gifts ever but a christmas gift on i got him a gift and then he told me the gift. he got me wasn't apartment in new york, but it's being remodeled right now and i never saw the apartment because i ended up breaking up or ending the relationship. but that was supposedly my gift. >> i don't know. >> you went to his actual apartment in trump tower? >> i did i didn't know i was going there i actually had a hotel room in the city at that time. >> well for this trip, what was it like going at trump tower i didn't know i was at trump tower. we went into the back entrance, so i had no idea where we were actually the back interests, as you know, probably is more discrete. it's like a little nothing hallway versus like when you walk into the grand right so we went to the back entrance and then at that time i realized where we're going and i said, aren't you afraid to bring me here? he's like they won't say anything and i'm like, okay, so we went upstairs and we

looked around and to his office or to his apartment in his apartment. >> he showed me around where do you think of the department? it's very gold. >> no, actually, it's actually quite pretty. the views were amazing. it's a beautiful apartments. they have great taste. >> and he showed you around the apartment. >> he did did you reference meloni that point he did the trump hush money trial gavel to gavel coverage. >> this is unprecedented to have a candidate for the white house as a criminal defendant. we've never ben here the weight only cnn can bring it to you because he never reporters are covering every angle of this trial. legal insight, expert analysis. let's go through some key takeaways and real real-time updates live from the courtroom. >> this is riveting testimony that we are getting. >> follow the facts, follow the testimony, follow cnn water would help us. it's dry spots. that's gone disease. but scott

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break, she was recounting how during her alleged affair with trump, she says he actually took her into his apartment at trump tower when his family wasn't home we passed a room and he said this is melania's room. >> if she likes to have her alone time or ticket wait to read or something like that. >> i'm like, oh, okay. that's when i kinda thought maybe maybe they're having issues. i didn't ask. it's not my business at that point how did you feel being in his apartment? guilty. very guilty why didn't i couldn't wait to get out of department. >> actually, i think doing something but then when you're doing some are doing something wrong is bad enough, but we are doing something wrong. and you're in the middle of somebody else's home or better, whatever that puts it a little stab in your hearts. and i just couldn't wait to get out of the apartment. i wanted to go back to my hotel room it made his other life more real years. i was just going to say it made it more real to me.

yes. made it more real did you see bearer in there? no, i never saw barren. >> so where's this picture from? >> that picture is from the apprentice release party that they had at the playboy mansion. so they filmed it like a month beforehand, which is where i met him. and then they had the release party when the apprentice actually aired. so that's when that one was so this is a picture with ivanka trump, melania trump several of your colleagues and yourself, correct did so was that the first time you met millennia? it is and honestly, if you can tell, i tried to keep my distance. i tried to go as far away as i could just because i felt guilty do you think she knew you know, maybe maybe i don't know i was told to me that they were arguing that night and i said why and

somebody had said probably because of you, but i don't know if that's a factor not so don't quote me on that one. there's another picture with think it's you with with eric trump. do you know where that were those from i believe that's from the trump vodka release party that he had which was within a couple of days of that other party did it feel the strange to meet his son, eric it did, but he was such a friendly guy like again, when you're doing something wrong, you try and push everything out of the weighing and make it as right as you can in your mind. >> so i met all his kids except for baer and of course and i just tried to shake it, but now it gets to me, but then it didn't. >> did he ever compare you to any of his kids? >> you know, he he's very proud of ivanka as they should be. i

mean, she's a brilliant woman. she's beautiful, she's that's his daughter and he should be prouder he said i wasn't beautiful like her and your smart girl and there isn't a lot of comparing, but there was some yeah. i heard a lot about her. >> yeah did that strike you as odd in any way or i know a lot of people think it's odd. >> i there has been some comments i've heard in the news he said about her. i think those comments arrived, but do i think it's strange that a father would love his daughter so much. eddie bryce about her? no, i brag about but my dog that much. >> i guess. some people seeing this are not going to believe that you had a relationship hope hicks has said categorically, you did not have a relationship. there's no truth to this when you heard that denial what did you think? >> well, i think somebody is lying and i can tell you it's not me it's a little hurtful, but at the same time, i have to

understand like if he were to have told hips, hope that he didn't do it i guess i understand because he's trying to protect his family, his image things like that but it was definitely a little like, wow, you're gonna lie about that. >> okay? >> when you've heard the stories of stormy daniels, who has come forward who said that she was at the tahoe club as well and others who said that they were there you didn't know about that at the time? >> no, i did not know does it went what did you think when you heard that my first thought was, how could she have been with him when i was with him? the only time we weren't together on that particular trip was when i he was on the golf course golfing. i didn't go literally, but i went to every event, every after thing, parties, datetime, things. i was there. that's why i can't understand. now, i do remember him saying he came in one day

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mcdougal has never spoken about it in such a tail on cameras since did you think maybe this would lead to a marriage maybe that's something though. you liked him enough. that's something you would have like. >> maybe did he at the time say tell you that you were his only girlfriend or did that subnet we never really discussed that i knew he talked to lady's but i didn't know there was anything else. i didn't know he was intimate with other ladies, but i guess if he's makes sense, if he's doing a behind his wife's back why would not do it by my back. >> but at that time in the frame of mind, you were in then you felt you were the only one i thought i was the only one. >> yeah. i didn't i thought i was the only one do you have any text messages photographs,

videos, anything that would dispute the whole picks a statement that this never happened let me just say this. if you're in a loving relationship, do you try and collect evidence? >> that's not what you were thinking about no, not at all. not at all. in fact, the only thing that i have really is my journal that i keep. and like i said, i still do it to this day. it wasn't out to get anybody or gosh, get anyone in trouble. but those are my notes. those are from me know, when you care about somebody, you don't try and set them up in any way, shape, or form that's my opinion. >> this, is a hard question to ask but you said you'd have texts that first time all these times you saw him. this was an ongoing sexual relationship absolutely. can you estimate how many times you actually saw him? >> again, when you're in a relationship? du count, how many times you have sex? no.

however, i can tell you we saw each other a minimum, five times a month up to bigger numbers per month. so we of course, of how long over the course of 2006 through i think i ended the relationship april 2007, so we were together ten months before i chose to end it. so we saw each other quite frequently. >> so dozens of times you were together, he dozens of times. >> you were intimate? yes, it doesn't. many dozen times. >> this is another tell question. and again, you don't have to answer it, but it's been raised with other people. did he ever use protection no no, i didn't. was that something you thought about? or they didn't concern you at the time? >> you. know, we talked about it right beforehand. he he was starting to and then he's like,

i don't like these things and, you know, we discuss things. do you do babylon? we were just honest with each other and we didn't we didn't use any you've talked about ending the relationship. who ended the relationship? >> i didn't well i was just feeling so guilty it was just digging inside me. >> i think the excitement of it took over for awhile and i did care about the man. i'm not going to lie. so that made it hard to end it, but i think i just started feeling so bad about myself. like, how could i do those to a myself but to be to a family? whether they get along or not, it's still a family i just needed to get out of it. i you know, i i just needed to get out of it. it just was tearing me apart in a long run. >> that's a hard thing to do to end a relationship. any relationship it was very hard. >> but i knew i needed to get out how did you end he wasn't in town and i just simply

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republicans be willing to support this aid backwards. >> we need a functioning legislative branch. >> are you willing to let people in the west bank? >> vote? >> why do you think so many republicans have downplayed this? do you think he's guilty? the lead with jake tapper, we use it for cnn more? >> now my exclusive 2018 interview with karen mcdougal, at the time, she was shocked to learn that in the months before the 2016 election are then attorney keith davidson was negotiating a deal with the parent company of the national enquirer at the same time, he was talking to michael cohen than the attorney for candidate trump did you ever think about rekindling their relationship? >> not while he's married now yeah, of course, i did. >> i had feelings for the guy, but not what i know. now, while he was married aid at that point in time, i would never do that again. no. >> you didn't speak? >> i mean, you told friends has anybody would tell friends about a relationship chair, but you didn't at any point during

this time 2006, 2007, 2008, try to reach out or did you do at any point after relationship ended think about telling your story publicly, talking about the relationship. i mean, some people would have considered telling their story that never crossed your mind. yeah when you have when you have feelings in a relationship and you cared about somebody, why would you want to destroy their life anymore than you might have already destroyed their life? so at what point did i mean, obviously, don't trump announces for president, he's going to run he gets the republican nomination at what point does this start to come back? or this this become suddenly in the forefront for you again i was watching the republican debate with a friend named johnny is one of my good friends from many years ago. he said, you know the story is a

big story and i said no way it's not going to happen. i go, you know, where i stand on this jonny, i will never say anything. we dropped it. and of course, johnny is a democrat but i'm a republican. so you're republican? i am. and i voted for donald. yes, i did. there you have it? >> yes. i heard republican so we dropped it. but then later on, maybe a week or two later, an x friend or an old friend of mine started on social media talking about my relationship and she was part of that. she she knows everything she had starting started putting it out there. so it was being seen so i came to johnny one. diana said johnny look what she's doing. i said do i need to worry about this and he's like, absolutely you do. he said, you need to get ahead of the story now before everyone else takes your story and manipulates it anyway, they want manipulate it and make it this very ugly thing. you need to control your story and you need to tell your true. and i said, yes, you're right. so that's what we decided to do and that's where jonny one day

comes, comes over and he's like our mutual friend that we have found found this guy name keith, and he's going to help you share your story. keith davidson? yes, correct. an attorney? yes, correct? >> an attorney who also was an attorney for stormy daniels? i didn't know that. yes. and others in this business clearly. >> so what what did you do then? you contacted davidson? >> i didn't. danita, jonny and the mutual friend contacted davidson within a matter of a couple of days, keith came out and we all had lunch together and he wanted to know details. so rosette down at lunch for a couple hours, i gave them details and keith is like the stories worth many, many millions and unlike okay, so we talked about it and that's when keith brought it to ami so did you know that keith, your attorney, was going to go to

ami, which is the parent company which owns national enquirer and other magazines he said, ami i didn't know what am i was to be honest, he said ami we have this company that they'll probably want to hear your story so what was the thought of selling the story in your mind to get my truth out there. >> i wasn't looking for money clearly, but when he said it's worth many millions, i'm like you know, that was something it was hard to pass up sure. >> for keyed up a meeting with me. did you have a meeting with him? >> we had a meeting with ami. you told them your story. >> i tell them the story they actually didn't think it was very credible, even though off the record they said del dylan believes your story, but clearly when they came back, they said it wasn't believable. >> i'm not julen bleed being dylan howard and he's with ami so they had like a 12 hour window to i don't probably skipping around. >> i'm sorry. they had a 12 hour window to accept whether

they wanted the story or not, and they didn't want the story. well, then the republican, he won the republican nomination and am i was interested in this dragon once, don't trump won the republican nomination, right cards, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you? >> with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so, yeah. >> but they offer which we didn't discuss yet or haven't discussed was they had offered me a big contract for work from modeling and fitness and things like that might my life has always been health and fitness, so they said they were going to have you be a column as you would write, columns about health and fitness, correct? >> they said i'd write columns. i would get one call, one article per month then okay.

magazine, one article per month and star magazine for two years. and then four columns per month on rater online for two years on top of that to magazine covers. and their reasoning was like, you've been a successful model fitness, et cetera we want to help you continue and we actually want to re-brand you and you, you're older now, so we want to jump start into a new career for you and really get you out there to work. and i'm like this is perfect. like who does what model wouldn't want that especially as an older model, you're like, oh, this is great, right so yeah. but then the side deal was oh, we're squash the story. okay? so when win for me, like i get the work and my story doesn't have to come out. did you know that they were buying the life rights to your story i did i knew i could never talk about him sure. >> so that was for you this wasn't a nondisclosure agreement to you. this was a

great business opportunity. you're going to get paid you're going to be able to have right columns. you're going to launch a new aspect of your career. you're going to get the cover of some magazines and on top of it you're going to sell them your story, but they're not going to publish it. and therefore, correct, there's not gonna be any ramifications. craft store getting at absolutely. i mean, who wouldn't want to get this work and then that work could leave to other work or other work. who you it's worth lead of course, i was excited. >> so in an essence, you were happy to have the story killed yeah, of course, like i said, i never wanted to come forward and you're going to get $150,000 for it for having a killed and launching potentially new career. >> well, more importantly, i looked at it as i was doing work. the columns, the covers, and i'm getting paid for that. oh, and my life story is like never has to be shared. it was more about the way it was presented. it was more about protecting it was more about we

don't want to tarnish your image. we want to keep your brand wholesome and hole so unlike that's awesome. that's great. that's the way i perceive this contract. it goes away land, like i said, had you ever heard the term at that point, catch and kill you? i had not du you know what catching killers now? i do now yeah, i do now. >> what's your understanding of a catch-and-kill is? >> catch us from what i'm learning, a catch and kill is somebody for like safe for yourself, for example, taken a story about somebody you like or care about over friendship about. and they squash a story. so it doesn't hurt you so did you know that that's what was going on that's the allegation of what was going on here. did you did you realize that at the time i knew the story wasn't going to be printed yeah. >> why do you think they squash the story back then or now yeah. i'm they they, they didn't want to hurt him you.

think is because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump do you think? i. mean, you wouldn't know this, but do you think donald trump would have been aware of of this of this deal that they were doing him, that they were allegedly doing him this favor i wouldn't know but based on what i'm learning, as we're all learning together as we read and one of the big complaints with why i think my contract is illegal is because his attorney was talking to my attorney, michael. >> you're saying donald trump's personal attorney, michael cohen, corrects. was talking with you without me even knowing without my knowledge i would assume that maybe he knew i know his attorney did. >> i can't say that he knew, but his attorney how do you know that michael cohen and your attorney, keith davidson,

were in communication i didn't know. >> i'm just learning this as your loneliness. it's been reported and my attorneys, they know to you the idea that michael cohen would be in communication with your attorney at the time theoretically there would be no reason for michael cohen to be having communication with your attorney because this was a deal between keith davidson, you and right. >> so why was he involved in my deal and why wasn't i told him that he was involved in my deal? that's not fair and it's quite frankly illegal the how quickly was the ama ami deal done once we agreed upon the jobs, the financial payment, and things like that, it was done very quickly in a matter of a day or two basically, i was going out of town and i said, i'll get back to in a week when i get back into town, they said the deal really needs to be done now, i'm like, okay. so i think it was done within that night or the next day.

>> do you remember what day this was or what when this was in the presidential race it was an august. >> i signed the deal august 6 so it was probably august 5th or fourth. that is that we finalize and then signed on the six, but i can't tell you. i don't remember whether rice was so this is in the last month or two. the presidential do you think the presidential race had anything to do with this deal getting done what i'm looking back, at it now, possibly, yeah. if don't, trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now probably not. no probably not. >> you're pretty, you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presidential race unfortunately, yes when the competition is a nuclear

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your inner for the money they're going to say, okay, obviously we are not paying you for this interview. >> we don't pay for interviews, but you may go from here and write a book or make a movie, or whatever it may be, two that you say what bottom line is this? i've offered to give back the one 50 even though i only got 55% of that, i've offered to give back the one 50 just to have my my story writes back the story is out there. now i'm not telling the nitty-gritty details as you can see, i'm very selective in what i'm what i'm saying about our relationship i'm not out to make money on this. i'm out to get my rights back to prove a contract was illegal that i was taken advantage of and then go back from my life period. >> did it anger you? i mean, it's part of this because people, the white house have said, you're lying, you're not telling the truth i. >> don't know when likes? to be called a liar, but no, it's more about the illegal portion

of the contract. and i'm not fulfilling what they promised me. they promised me this work to date there are only ten articles and ok magazines, ten articles and star magazine, and maybe seven on right, are online, right? airline, i'm so sick of four per month i mean, the two years is up an august. i've gotten really nothing out of this so you think that whole talk of helping you relaunch kind of a new a whole new phase of it was fake. >> they didn't want to help me i thought they wanted to keep my reputation clean from what they said. they wanted to re-brand me. they wanted to i'm an older model now. they wanted to make something a new star. they promised me all these one how beautiful things. even when i met with david pecker and dylan and keith in new york, after this is back last august, they oftenly, many more opportunities, but i haven't seen anything yet. not that that's not part of the contract, but my point is, they keep dangling the karatay i'm

not playing that game anymore are you aware of or have you spoken to any women with similar stories who have come forward? no, i haven't spoken to anyone. i know other i've heard other stories from other people, but it's hearsay. it's not like the girl directly to me, but no, i can't comment on that would you have come forward publicly if stormy daniels hadn't come forward do you think that made an impact on you i definitely think it made a little bit of an impact on me. it gives you more. it takes a little bit of the fairway however, i probably would have just because as i'm learning about this contract and the people involved in the way i was treated and all the behind the scenes, things that i wasn't aware about and all the work i'm not getting which a contracted for yeah, i probably would have come forward if you didn't get what you were told in a contract workwise when you say something chorus do you have any do you

have any regrets about the relationship did you say you had with them? back then? yeah the only regret i have about the relationship that i had with donald was the fact that he was married if you weren't married, i wouldn't have any regrets because he treated me very kind. >> he was very respectful as i told you it was a good relationship while it happens. now, had i known at the time, there were supposedly all these other women know, i went a bit in the relationship, but i didn't know that at the time. no, no regrets. accept the fact that he was married. >> if melania trump is watching this, what would you want her to know to tough one? more say to her. >> yeah, what can you say? accept i'm sorry i'm sorry i wouldn't want it done to me i'm sorry