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to a special edition of news night. i'm abby phillip alongside laura coates right here and donald trump's lawyers tried to pan fry michael cohen on the witness stand today and perhaps the most important day of testimony so far, eight oh, tonight, donald rumsfeld? yes. that donald rumsfeld gives us all a lens to view what's left in the hush money trial. the known knowns, unknown knowns, and unknown unknowns. so first the known knowns all those bad fats. so the prosecution took painstaking care to get in front of the jury so that they did not hear them for the first time and cross-examination, that cohen was a jerk, that he was a bully, that cohen was designated a thug, that michael cohen cashed in on donald trump's name all of them facts that the government's attorney put on the record to make the cross case a little bit less of a rough and tumble affair.

second, you haven't the unknown knowns how the j. will actually choose to react to everything they've seen and heard from cohen. well cross-examination began with cohen's tiktoks and got for combative from mares snaking through public statements about trump ones like donald trump belonged in a cage. not very nice. the questions probe cohen's inability to stay away from social media, including by the way, his podcast schedule. how is memory about trump calls is perfect and but less so when it comes his interaction with maybe manhattan prosecutor, how his obsession with winning trump's approval spiraled into what they say is revenge plot. >> the question is at any of that connect with the men and women who will actually decide trump's fate. finally, we have the unknown, unknown we'll donald trump himself testify. he's given both answers to the question saying, of course, and then you saying that he couldn't do it because of a gag order which is of course, a trump's lawyers say that there's no determination as of

yet about whether the defendant, the former president of the united states, will ultimately take the witness stand. daring to go under oath under the penalty of perjury in his own defense for what would be a brain breaking moment for the country. and that might be an understatement. i mean, brain breaking is yeah, an understatement. >> we're here with our panel, but first i want to start with a little bit of reading of the part of the trunk of the help everyone understand exactly what happened in the courtroom. we'll have elliot williams as trump's defense attorney, todd blanche. i expect a lot out of you. elliott, also mark his soldiers as michael cohen, u2 accents included or starting at the third question in cross-examination, gentleman, take get away. >> and this was it started off with really getting under the witnesses skin and todd blanche came out with a doozy. so this was the question. as a matter of fact, on april 23rd. so after the trial start in this case, you went on tiktok and called me a quote, crying

little, didn't you? >> it sounds like something i would say. >> objection, your honor. sustained. sustained. know there was a sidebar after this where the judge had said that really an attorney should not be making himself a focus of a question. >> it's really irrelevant what a witness as he sustained the objection. now, of course, it was already on the record. the jury heard it, so we couldn't really unring the bell but there it was and then it went on. so president trump was borussia cartoon massage and has didn't you you said that sounds like something i would say. and those types of comments in names continued on every single one throughout 2020, correct? >> i'm sure i said something. i can't say that they're all recall the first one in 2020 as a cheeto dust and cartoon villain that also sounds like something i said. now, do you recall that around the same time, october 2020, you started talking about your hope that president trump would be convicted of a crime, correct? >> well, no, i don't know if

those are the exact one. words that i said, but the sentiments correct. >> you think you might have said, i truly effing hope that this man ends up in prison. is that exact? >> you know, it sounds like my language on may a copa and michael cohen was also challenged about his social media tonsils. well, there's a whole trove of those. and so what's continued blanche asks you also talk on social media during this trial about president trump. have you not? there's a theme here. sounds correct. yes. so for example, on april 23rd, which is after the trial started, correct yes. you referred to president trump as a dictator douche bag, didn't you? sounds like something i said. >> and on that same tiktok. so again, on april 23rd, you referred to president trump when he left the courtroom. you said that he goes right into that little cage, which is where he belongs in an ethane cage like an animal. do you recall saying that? i recall saying that that's a. >> dramatic reading, abby. >> yeah. i mean, that's kinda how it went down intonation and

all marcus, thank you for that. also we are. >> aware that, we guys know, i can see that all right. >> but here we are. kim really present, professor at the university of baltimore school of law, tim parlatore, former attorney for donald trump, and victoria nor nurse. georgetown law professor and former chief counsel to then vp biden. they're all win now, i tim what did you think of? i mean, look, we knew this was going to happen, right. and we knew that they were going to go hard on all the things that michael cohen has been saying and doing. how many times did he say he brought up donald trump in every single? tiktok or podcasts or whatever he has done at donald trump has been the subject did it matter by the time we got to that? because as we pointed out, the prosecution tried to get some of this on the table in advance. >> yeah. >> it's an interesting way of starting across to be hit to be honest with you because really,

you try and go for a lot of the facts before you go for the bias. i think that's more effective and coming ran at the gate and making about himself of what michael cohen said about him. yeah, that's something that i've done that before, but not on the first question when i've had a witness, it said something like that. i hold my pocket and i keep going on and i wait for the witness to say something snarky or like, earn it to, whereas say, oh, you don't like me very much in fact, you said, and i pull it out at that point so that it's something that makes sense in sequence to the jury. because if you just immediately come out at him of you hate us, you hate me? you hate him then where do you go from that to then start to get into the substance of the i just make one note. todd blanche doing this cross is a choice. todd blanche, from what i've heard, has not done a lot of cross-examinations. this is not really his wheelhouse. so some of these things it's interesting to hear you say that tab there were also some

questions even about the way in which he was kind of going back and forth in time, whether that was strategic or just a little bit of a messy preparation in how he was doing this cross-examination. >> well, it sounds like it was a little meandering and maybe a bit confusing for the jury, and it seems like throughout this entire trial his lawyers have two objectives. one is the jury and the other is their client, donald trump. so it's hard to say how much this strategy is really to actually persuade one juror after all, they don't need all 12, two effectively win this case. and how much of it is donald trump is calling the shots? that's like he does with his lawyers as fast. i mean, the most skilled trial attorneys know that the cross has got to be your forte, right? you have to make sure that you are the one really testifying. it's got i've almost had it explained to me in different ways and training as you gotta be the angry, suspicious girlfriend, it's not that we're worried. >> why didn't you come home? it's gotta be i called you 12

times, didn't i didn't answer your phone six times. i saw your text messages. i'm not well rehearsed in this because i've never been dallas girlfriend you think about how this all plays out. the whole point is for you to demonstrate that you know what they're going to say and only get the yes or no? he was able to essentially have responses seem a little bit guarded, if not annoyed. that's a problem well, i think that one of the things that we're missing is that all you have to show to get this from the misdemeanor and we've seen the documents. >> there's false invoices. we know that is for people to believe that he was correct on the factual thing that trump actually told him to do this for the election so we haven't even gotten to the facts as you indicated normally you go for the facts, not just straight for the character. so that suggests there's they have a weak case and the strong case, the defense yeah. and michael cohen's testimony is remarkably consistent today and

yesterday in that number one virtually everything he said was supported by either a document that was written by allen weisselberg the controller of the trump organization. >> four checks that were signed or the testimony of other witnesses. it's all incredibly supported testimony. now, they'll be much of the ball game ultimately becomes how much the jury believes him. and i think a strategy on the part of the defense team today was just to attack his credibility because the strength of what he's provided thus far. now, again, it becomes a credibility contest of how much do we believe this individual who number one has a demonstrated clear bias against the defendant and a long rap sheet of badness and his record. now, anybody who's ever i mean, you've worked on these states to anybody's ever worked on a gang, a drug, a mob case, whatever nose you can still convict someone over the testimony of really bad people who have really bad stuff on their back limited and not in front of last full of nines

markets. i mean, you got going to prosecute somebody who's engaged in false behavior. you had to have liars in theirce is for cohen, they're trying to suggest if you're the prosecution that look, he's not pretending not to be a liar he's not suggesting that he doesn't lie. and in fact, this case is about lies 34 of them, and it's something you normally at least i used to my experience, bring him an opening statements, but i was like at the spirits, the case look, you're going to hear for some unsavory people, right unsavory, just like the defendant here today, you want to loop them all together. and i think it's really important it hasn't been talking about leasing from what i've seen that michael cohen is not testifying. i don't leant see. he's not testifying or immunity. he's a much better position than witnesses. i've had who were lieutenants come up and testify. but is that though the fact if he works if he had time overhead, if he was a currently at current inmate, how would that make a difference easier to show the bias they're like, you're testifying and giving me i mean, what they want because you're scared of increased jail time, you're trying to, you know, make sure you stay within the confines of your immunity.

>> do you don't have that type of issue here with michael cohen? so i think there is less baggage in that regard. his lies, of course, are enough baggage as is, but you don't have that typical in unity or leniency that defense counsel can really hammer rahm to discredit all the testimony does explain this was earlier when the prosecution was still finishing up with him. he explains how he made this turn and why this is what he what he told the jury cohen, we're in this unique situation. i never experienced in my wife my family, my daughter, my son all said to me, why are you holding onto this loyalty what are you doing? we're supposed to be your first loyalty hoffinger that's the prosecutor says. so what decision did you make? michael cohen says that it was time to listen to them hoffinger what did you decide about where your loyalty should be going forward? cohen to my wife my daughter, my son, and the country. there was a critical moment for the jury to understand what's going on in his head and maybe you've had

a lot of people working. having everything to trump in the past he has a command of people psychologically, the jury is seeing this yeah, i think that that is a great story on the direct it we'll see how it holds up through the rest of cross because yeah there's a lot more to the story than just that. and i think that if they if todd blanche does a good job of going through the facts of when he first had the raid and he was first offered the opportunity to cooperate and he didn't he said, very emphatically, i don't i don't know anything about donald trump. >> no, he wasn't involved. he didn't know about these checks. i did it to protect melania and then go through what what change was it his family was it the fact that he asked for a pardon and donald trump said no? what was it that actually turns, i mean, couldn't it have been all of those things but trump's amp wanted his loyalty. but what clearly wasn't going to reciprocate yeah.

>> there was there was when he was thrown under the bus, he wasn't brought into the white house. there's justification for lying when he was under the thumb of donald trump and now telling the truth but it seems like there might be a bit of a weakness for the government and that there were only two conversations that we're actually with donald trump himself. and that between donald cohen. i think all the other pieces have been established through documentary evidence, then establish to the testimony of david pecker, even hope hicks testified that the campaign was really worried about the access hollywood tape writing all of that together, but the jury could say, listen, you know that one piece. i think michael cohen's a liar. i'm not going to convict there's not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of all of the pieces, and it's fascinating because that's the one conversation he seems to remember verbatim, the one that incriminates the defendant. all of these other questions they asked him about today. i don't recall. i don't recall. i don't recall yet somehow the one conversation with donald trump that would convict him is the one thing that he remembers almost almost perfectly.

>> one thing that there's no documents to support two, yeah, that's the real power. >> didn't have another white house. yeah. >> around for us. we've got a lot ahead coming up next is underrated moment from today's testimony involving trump trying to use the power of his justice department. >> last, there was also an eye-opening appearance outside of court today as trump's entourage at a pretty powerful new face there's no ghraieb, no crime here the whole myth has to be re-imagined feed if you didn't know whether you were next they were both tied up? yeah. yeah. i was called in and i saw what turned out to be the biggest heist in history he went from gold medal winning icon to a pariah it really happened with jesse l. >> martin sunday's at nine on

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transcript where cohen discusses speaking with donald trump, right after his home was rated back in 2018. we've got kim wally as the prosecutor, susan hoffinger, and elliot williams is now my that gold cohen take it away. >> did you speak with president trump's shortly after the search warrants were executed, a dead. can you describe the conversation you had with then president trump? >> i received a phone call from president trump in response to me leaving a message for him to call me. i wanted obviously, him to know what was taking place and he said to me, don't worry, i'm the president of the united states. there is no, there is nothing here. everything is going to be okay. stay tough. you're going to be okay. >> he's spoken directly with mr. trump since that time? >> no, ma'am. >> what's your call from president trump at that time important to you? >> extremely important. why was it important? >> because i wanted, first of all, i was scared. this was the first time in my life, anything like this happen, and i wanted

some reassurance that mr. trump had my back, especially as especially his help with excuse that related to him how if at all, did that call affect you in terms of how you acted going forward? well, when he expressed to me don't worry, everything is going to be fine. i'm the president of the united states. i felt reassured because i had the president the united states protecting me, his justice department this should go nowhere. and so i felt reassured and i've remained in his camp and then in another part of the back-and-forth, cowen actually references attorney general william barr being the attorney general at the time, part of a jeff sessions yeah. jefferson's pardon me. be involved at the ordeal so mr. cohen just getting back to where we left off in my questions in terms of the substance of your conversation with david pecker about is the receipt of the complaint from the federal election commission. >> did you tell him that someone in particular in the administration would be able to assist in that matter? yes.

>> what did you tell him? i told him that the matter is going to be taken care of and the person of course, who's going to be able to do it is jeff sessions who was jeff sessions at that time? the attorney general why did you tell him that? because that was post my conversation with the president when you say post, had you previously been toned, told that by president trump? >> yes, ma'am all right. let's bring back our panel. i mean, we were all riveted. it's always a little bit of a pause but i was really shocking. >> i mean, putting aside this case it's a shocking x well, you know, abby kind of links into the bigger thing that's looming and which is the election. i mean, this is not just the transaction that gave rise to these 34 counts. this is a hint of a president potentially abusing his power. and of course, this jury is not here to decide what's going to happen in november, but all eyes certainly are on it and i would suspect the jury understands the implications

and the weight of this decision. >> it also puts very clearly in the site of the jury that we're talking about 34 counts after he is the president you know, you you think about the timeline of this case the timeline of the alleged sexual encounter with romney, daniel's back, i think in 2006, there is a long gap between when she comes forward asking for her story to be made public, that an nda and you go back and forth the payments, but really it's a 34 counts post inauguration that are really the key here. >> so him having the power to his doj decide the issue is very telling. >> yeah, it's extremely telling because he's using the government like a mob boss would use it to cover up what was essentially what he knew. and so it also shows that he knew the basic election connection. that is the key to making this a felony if you show that because he knows what has gone on, it's consciousness of guilt basically, that he knows he wants to cover this up. he wants cohen to go away. he will

fix it with jeff sessions. yeah. i mean, tim, that seems to be what why the prosecution wanted to bring this up in part was that trump today? he said this outside the courthouse nothing is wrong. >> i labeled it as attorney's fees. it's totally fine. but in that moment, he clearly thought it wasn't well. and it's it's interesting the specificity with which michael cohen can discuss this, whereas everything else he doesn't seem to remember. >> but he doesn't get that into that level of specificity or are we talking about these counts? are we talking about the much larger accounts? that michael cohen was facing of the taxi medallions, the tax fraud, the false statements, the things that he actually went to jail for because you got to remember the election violations that he pleaded guilty for it were so minor. they didn't even affect his sentencing guidelines. so is he talking about this piece or was it talking about the larger piece? >> yeah. i didn't and i were

talking about the cross. >> and how long you've been on the stand. >> but you had an interesting comment. you you seem to think that the prosecution was almost trying to rush this testimony of michael cohen for some people looking at those who might not have familiarity with how long trials go or how long someone's on this? dan they might say he's been on the stand for more than a day, two days really, how could that possibly be a rush that we'll think about? think back to pecker and how long he was on the stand and the level of detail that they went through with him and if you think about the volume of material that michael cohen has to go through and the relative brevity that he did. it was something that it did seem to me to be going much much faster than i would have expected given the volume of stuff. and then seeing some of the detail from these transcripts it's not the level that i was expecting from that they spent 90 minutes entering checks into the record last week, we're literally methodically and going through every documents actually proves the case that's the point.

>> all they have to prove is that donald trump is connected to that falsification. and he did it for the reason of winning elections the crimes providing color, right. >> by this point, we've seen the whole conspiracy play out from 2015 all the way through 2017. he's merely providing color because they know the bag or something. michael cohen provides. i look, i'm not i don't have a theater background, so my dramatic reading pi wasn't great, but i am an engineer and i will say that i found structure of the prosecution's case. it'd be really good i thought that they were able to present the whole timeline present michael cohen lying, and then provide a reason why he had lied because it was family and now he's telling the truth, right? he's telling the truth because he talked to his family. i thought there might be the same type of structure from the cross of going through all of the leinz at michael cohen is tell told and then saying and your leinz because you're vindictive against the president, right? this is the same structure. you could have done in the cross that you could have done on the direct. and i honestly think it's because we're at tuesday and we're on break tomorrow and i think that the defense was trying to get hey, makers in before the jury went away for

36 hours so that they were sitting on the hey, makers rather than having a full story of michael cohen sit and marinate for 36 hours start over are essentially timeline percent. >> well, i mean, also it's interesting to me the idea of how does a jury see? i'm telling you the truth about being a liar. i mean, that's part of what his testimony is, but also the pre corroboration that we've been talking about. what are the documents kim two other witnesses, they know. i mean, you called it baggage. i mean, he's got like, trucks behind him of the obvious things but the idea that they had the pre pre corroboration is for the pacing to go because he is the primary narrator. i'll be at a flawed one, right? he's connecting all the dots and of course it's the government's burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. >> what does that mean? a doubt for which you can give a reason. and so far? the defense doesn't really have an alternative narrative, right? to your point, he signed the checks from the white house out of his personal account. >> his his low level assistance

testified he was very careful about signing things and it was over $10,000. >> i had to be approval for it they carefully demonstrated here he kept very tight reins on his money and on his organization. and i think michael cohen gives us a flavor of what it was like to be within his tight orbit so the idea that well was for melania, he had no idea. it was really david pecker and michael cohen when and allen weisselberg doing all this when we have on audio tape him talking about karen mcdougal so he knew about the hush money scheme, but somewhere along the line, proof when it comes to the relationship, right after the access hollywood tapes days before the election he was just out of it. i don't know that there's an they're store. >> you have to write, i mean, you have to wonder whether the prosecution is even going to attempt to dispute the timeline, the facts of the case or if they're really relying just on the witnesses being unreliable, that may not be enough when even all the

unreliable witnesses are singing from the same song, but they're telling the same basic story about who donald trump trump is and what he knew are witnessing absent. you've been talking to and allen weisselberg not there. >> and that may be this kind of x factor in this in the jury can say, well, this is a key person we didn't even hear from them that in and of itself could be enough to add doubt into the equation was struck them on yeah, and they will get some instructions there on hang on for us, but thank you very much for that. good conversation. it is the hottest place to be, apparently if you are a republican seeking donald trump's approval, how speaker mike johnson has welcome the latest to stump for trump in front of that courthouse. we're going to debate this scene that unfolded today. next trump hush money trial gavel to gavel coverage away only cnn can bring it to you. legal insight, expert analysis, and real-time updates, live from the courtroom. follow the facts follow the testimony, follows

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today at i'm natasha bertrand at the pentagon. and this is cnn despite donald trump's trial, there is still believe it or not, a campaign underway in both candidates are making false claims about perhaps the biggest issue that is on the minds of voters. >> that's the economy. cnn's daniel dale is back with us for a fact check starting with president biden. yeah. so president biden made a false claim about inflation in an interview with cnn last week, and he was roundly criticized for it, including by former president trump. and then today he did another interview this time with yahoo finance. >> him false claim. again, listen to those two claims no president has had the run. we've had in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation was 9% when i can do office, 9%, i think inflation has gone slightly up, which was 9% when i came in. and it's now down around 3% so inflation was

nowhere close to 9% when president biden took office in january 2021, it was 1.4%. so the president is making it sound like inflation today, which is 3.5%, is lower than when he took office. it's actually substantially higher. now, it did fall. it did hit 9% during his presidency i'm 0.1% in june 2022, it's fohlin since then, but the president is making that that month, 16 months into his tenure, sound like the starting point that trump left him. it's not now, trump also made a false claim about inflation today. listen to what he said in his comments after court in manhattan record inflation and it's back and people are dying because you would have had no inflation with, we were down to practical he kept saying record inflation, inflation today is nowhere close to a record that 3.5% certainly elevated by recent standards, but not close to the 23 plus percent.

>> we had in 1920, then you might say, okay, 1920, that's a century ago, but we had over 5% in 2008. we had over 14% in 1980. so you don't have to they go back a century to know that we're not currently anywhere close to record high inflation well, again, everyone talking about this now the false statements are being made. >> thank you so much for fact checking all this and i couldn't help but notice who was behind the former president, people like doug burgum and others why you made those statements. >> and you know, it is upfront season and it seems now for the tv networks and it seems it might be a new season of the apprentice and entourage is being pitched in lower manhattan inside and outside of donald trump's courtroom. because revolving door of his allies making appearances and what appears to be a loyalty test of sorts vp contenders, his daughter-in-law, lawmakers. >> but today, a pretty extraordinary st. >> even for 2024, the speaker of the united states house of representatives, the speaker showing up outside of the

courthouse to call the legal system corrupt an illegitimate, again, the speaker of the house at a trial involving a porn star, hush money and corruption. except that objectively it was pure theater. mike johnson didn't even go inside the courtroom to observe that trial to hear any of the testimony or any of the facts of this case? instead, he gave us his best trump impression there's no ghraieb, there is no crime here. this is for weeks if keeping me from not campaigning, they are doing this intentionally to keep him here. and keep him off of the campaign trail brought six years ago, seven years ago, almost eight years ago. >> now, eight years later suddenly play. they've resurrected this thing. we have a corrupt you know what democrat politicians. what we've got here is a partisan democrat district attorney. we have a biden donor, judge well, the follower has spent the

microphone times smearing witnesses that you know, donald trump cannot, because of course he is as a tendon and he's under a gag order. >> in fact, one of the accolades just straight up admitted it saying the not so quiet part out loud we have more and more senators and congressmen go up every day to represent him and be able to go out and overcome this gag order. >> and that's one of the reasons we went is to be able to speak are peace or for president trump? >> and here i thought there were other things to do on capitol hill for more, i want to bring in former trump white house communications director, mike we and former hillary clinton's spokesmen, felipe brian is, first of all, michael, i just heard you do a big sayyed isn't the case for cells trying to explain this oh, no. >> i'm ready for that. it's ten, 30 at night that's here and it's more of the sayyed somewhere what the trial was a kid we are now running a presidential campaign out of

the courtroom. so right now, this is like a trump rally. the outdid officials are coming to the rally and we wouldn't think twice if the speaker can to dayton, ohio for a rally with the president. so they go to where the campaigns being run and it's now being run out of the 15th floor of a manhattan court rule of law. >> but also good gloss. but there are 217 members of republicans in the house. there are 49 hi and senators, their 25 governors by my count, they're less than ten that have shown up and the ones that have shown up, our auditioning for vp, like doug burgum or byron donalds and i'm trying to jd vance. so let's not get too much into it. vivek ramaswamy are also the same people that'd be showing up at a rally. well, that i hope he gets more people have that one has actual rallies because you've got a lot of republicans are not showing up. these folks are showing up because they need something from donald trump, mike johnson was just

saved by donald trump a week ago what said about this? what i was thinking about on the is it's one thing if they had been in the courtroom a week ago or a week from now jd vance sat there looking at michael cohen. michael cohen spent 13 years of his life subjugated himself for donald trump and now his life is ruined for it. you may not like, i don't like them, i don't think it's guy, but it's so funny to watch people go down there or go up to new york and throw themselves in front of donald trump to just genuflects then look at someone who did that for 13 years and not realize that no one comes out of these interactions to donald trump for the better. >> but you know what their one reason they wouldn't have been the last week perhaps is because of the nature of that test movember stormy daniels was last week and she's perhaps not as one is it easy political target, but listen to what former congresswoman liz cheney said about speaker johnson, and she called him out and supported xj right? thing

i'm surprised that speaker johnson wants to be in the i cheated on my wife with a porn star club, i guess he's not that concerned with teaching morality to our young people. after all, when you look at this michelman, he is one of the most conservative members of the house. i mean, i know that marjorie taylor greene questions that these days, but he's bona fide. >> well, look, i think his office would tell you in his folks will tell you that that the standard bearer of the republican party who is going to be donald trump for the, for the presidency, is in a situation that most republicans, if not a majority of americans, look to be political law fair? this is politics by another means. >> to have the president drawn into a misdemeanor that then became a felony because the district attorney got creative. >> so what what his people will tell you what with speaker johnson will tell you. he was there to kind of draw a light

on that fat, although he didn't go inside the courthouse, that's not what what i understood as he went into the overflow room because there weren't enough seats in the courtroom. >> i just they couldn't find it speaker of the house side i've been in the court room it's public sees public seating. it's manhattan. >> let's say yes, it's best. let me just dummy, just fact check this when donald trump came into the corps yesterday with his massive entourage, they all came with him and they all sat right in front of the courthouse, was not public seating in that case. if he wanted to go and he could have real quick though mike, all these vp folks who want to get on in trump's good graces. they're all auditioning this week. but how are they even did french eating themselves? is it just the act of showing up the trump wants to see what is he looking for? >> well, i think what he's looking for is a way around the gag order. >> i mean, one of those he what does he want them to do to prove themselves well, i don't i'm not going to necessarily

answer the question of what he wants them to do to prove themselves because i don't know. but what i do, what i do, what i am witnessing is that they have the ability to say the things that donald trump has been wanting to say, but has been basically struck, down ten times for saying so this is one way to get around the get around the gag order. the other thing is timing is everything in politics that's an old saying that we all have. and to the point of why are they there this week? i think they're there this week. if i had to guess and i was thinking about this in the car ride over as well. >> if i have a different cars, different, if i had to guess, it's because they are watching a prosecution that's flailing and a case that may turn 12 manhattan knights into individuals that are acquitting donald trump in this, in this trial. and they want to be part of that. i think there's a lot of i think there's a lot of timing here. i don't think it's necessarily all this the way that it's being described as auditions for the vp spot. i

think there's multiple things that are happening they don't know if it's flailing. >> one could argue why would they go now it's time. >> well, they don't know what he walked. >> it's sort of like a decathlon where you don't know what the actual events are. they know that they should go and they should attack, you know, the the prosecutor, they should attack the georgia prosecutor. they should attack jack smith they should raise some money. they should do this. they need, they have to check all the boxes just to be even on par with everyone else. there's no downside. i mean, i think jokes aside, mike johnson's speaker of the house, there was something even in this day and age where we have seen things really fall apart, including the fact that the former president i'd say, is on trial for paying off an adult film star. there's something about that that was particularly unfortunate. he actually managed to make kevin mccarthy's visit to mar-a-lago in 2017? look dignified in the

sense that it's one thing to make pilgrimages to mar-a-lago. it's another thing to go out in the steps of the capitol and say that donald trump is being mistreated, a persecuted, to go to new york, to go to this trial i think it was just demeaning to mike johnson. and again, mike johnson is just the next iteration in some way of michael cohn. >> this was a line crossed. i mean, the speaker of the house is a constitutional position. it is it is a representative position of the united states government. and for him to go to a courthouse and demean a court of law. he may not like the charges, but it's a court of law that that was a line he chose to cross today and i think history will remember that really would agree. well, yeah, i listen. >> i do think that he needed to if you have the perspective that they're that the law is being used as a political weapon and if if speaker johnson believes that, then you go to where that weapon is if he believed that he was if speaker johnson believes that,

then he would denounce because if speaker johnson believed that he would announce donald trump for saying he wants to prosecute his political enemies, mike and philippe. >> thank you both very much coming up we're going to talk with michael cohen's former attorney, lanny davis about his former clients testimony. stay with us t morgan stanley old

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