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one day after cruised a portion of the wreckage as they work to read >> to refloat the vessel thanks very much for watching eri burnett outfront starts right now outfront next sparks fly. >> i was in the courtroom as trump's attorney went to battle with michael cohen, a brutal start for trump's attorney, but wasn't enough to sink cohen. >> plus it out front exclusive stormy daniels husband speaking out for the first time what he said, he had stormy will do if trump is found not guilty. >> and breaking news, president biden now reportedly sending his national security advisor to israel. >> will this trip the enough to pull netanyahu back? full-scale invasion of rafah. let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, a crying little expletive. it got ugly in the hush money case today for trump and right away, i mean, right off the bat, that was just one
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of the first leinz trump's defense attorney, todd blanche confronted star witness michael cohen, width as the cross-examination began this afternoon. so i was there watching as trump's former fixer went toe-to-toe with the trump's attorney and as i said, it was literally i mean, basically the first line, trump's attorney todd blanche starts his questioning by confronting michael cohen and he's he whether he was pretending to be or truly angry, he came off off. so angry that he was shaking and he pulls up a video that michael cohen and posted on tiktok and he said you went on tiktok and you called me a crying little expletive, didn't you? >> i mean, it was just so intense. >> now, cohen responds sounds like something i would say trump leaned forward is blanche went on to grill cohen about other profanity-laced posts and this sort of intersperse tire afternoon, one of them was you refer to president trump when he left the courtroom, you said that quote, he goes right into that little cage which is where he belongs in an effing cage like an animal if you, recall saying that, asks blanche cohen replies. i recall saying that
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again and again. blanche tried to portray cohen is someone who is consumed with his hatred for trump. in fact, using the word obsessed and quoting it from one of trump's up, from one of cohen's books blanche showed the jury a photo of cohen wearing this t-shirt of trump in an orange jumpsuit. and a month a gleich that cohen cells online which reads, send him to the big house, not the white house. and the questions were fast and furious. cohen's answers were generally extremely short many times just saying something like sounds like something i would say now, cohen recently told me he was ready for trump's team to hit him hard, especially after seeing he said how they went after fulton county de a fani willis, whom the trump team is still trying to get kicked off the election interference case in georgia nobody, wants to do this. this isn't fun. likud well, for example, with fani willis today, they get personal, they get nasty and i expect mine to be as nasty if not nastier than the questions that were thrown at fani willis
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hey, it's gonna get even nastier as the cross continues blanche is the way skilled prosecutor he took on filing criminals and actually had worked in the same office as the da prosecuting trump alvin bragg the formerly registered democrat, blanche is now changing his tune he's not registered republican and he's bought a home near mar-a-lago. >> he actually left his law firm and has gone out on his own with one big client, and he now works out of trump's 40 wall street building. >> and just about to state the obvious todd blanche is betting his future on trump you have a district attorney indicting a former president united states, that is never, ever happened before and so being part of something where most of your briefing or most of your arguments at some point you're saying to the judge, this has never happened before, right? it is historic. the end though, is insight. prosecutors say cohen is their final witness at the end of the day, blanche indicated that he was on track to finish his cross on
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thursday. we'll see if he sticks to that. >> and the defense has left open the door to calling donald trump himself, which could change the timetable here paula reid is outfront live outside the new york courthouse tonight paula, what began as a very aggressive and direct cross-examination with blanche confronting cohen with the expletives that cohen had called blanch then took a very long and windy roads sort of going off here, coming back, going off they're coming back yeah. >> it really did blanch jumped all over the timeline of this case and erin are told that is strategic because they know that cohen was prepared by prosecutors for a linear chronological, direct examination. that's where he feels confident. so this approach was meant to throw him off his game. now so far doesn't seem like it's working, but we still have a long way to go michael cohen back on the witness stand today
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facing tough questions from prosecutors and defense attorneys, were you have to set trump cohen trump attorney todd blanche came out swinging his first question to cohen. you went on tiktok and called me a crying little expletive just before the trial again, nodding in agreement, cohen said, sounds like something i would say trying to frame the witness as motivated by revenge. blanche, question cohen about something he said on his podcast and october 2020, i truly expletive trump ends up in prison. blanche press cohen on how he continues to defy prosecutors requests to stop talking about the case. is it fair to say prosecutors have repeatedly asked you to stop publicly commenting on this case? yes. cohen replied, blanche noted that cohen profits from his relentless attacks on trump and on his it's podcast, wore a shirt showing trump behind bars and you were encouraging people to buy it. blanche asked. >> yes, it's part of the merch store. said cohen. blanche
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asked if on his podcast, cohen called trump a boris cartoon massage dentist, and a chito dusted cartoon villain that also sounds like something i said ed cohen admitted he was then asked if he was obsessed with trump. i wouldn't say obsessed. i admired him tremendously before he faced off with trump's attorneys prosecutors walked cohen through the documents at the heart of the criminal case, 11 checks. he says he received totaling $420,000 they're submitting 11 falsified invoices marked for legal services. were any of those checks in fact, for work during the months described in those check stubs, prosecutor asked no, ma'am. he responded. all part of the alleged conspiracy to pay cohen back the $130,000 in hush money. he paused similarly paid to stormy daniels. he also described how his relationship with trump unraveled as he came under federal criminal investigation and ultimately decided to break with trump and plead guilty to
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multiple charges in 2018, cohen are called how he felt after the fbi searched his home office and hotel room in 2018? how to describe your life being turned upside down, concerned, despondent, angry. cohen described a conversation he had with trump after the fbi's search. the last time he says they ever spoke, he said to me, don't worry, i'm the president of the united states there's nothing here. everything's going to be okay stay tough. >> you're going to be okay. cohen said, i was scared. i wanted some reassurance that mr. trump had my back especially as this dealt with issues that related to him. he credited a conversation with his family, which she says convinced him to finally turn on trump. and begin telling in the truth. my wife, my daughter, my son all said to me, why are you holding onto this loyalty? what are you doing? we're supposed to be your first loyalty cohen said, i made a decision based again on the conversation i had with
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my family, that i would not lie for president trump anymore. >> cohen will be back on the stand thursday. >> that's the last day of court. we have this week next week the defense is expected to call a few witnesses. another client needs to decide if you too will take the stand. >> but aaron, at this point, it appears unlikely we will have a verdict in this case. >> for memorial day. >> all right. thank you very much. uh, paula. and everyone's here with me, so norm, i was sitting behind you today you said yesterday that cohen took the prosecution across the rubicon, that everyone every prosecutor has to cross, right? that you that he had he needed to do that. he needed to prove that trump directed all of this but today, none of that even came up. i mean, blanche spent all this time showing that cohen hates trump and showing that cohen has profited off of state from trump. that was the de i was befuddled by todd blanches cross-examination e has a good
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reputation. i think that today we saw in that corner but room the tyranny of expectations, both ways. the expectations were very high for blanche, he disappointed coming out of the box with objectional objectionable questions that were about him and co you are crying little had nothing to do with the case of very stern revenue furman from the judge got off on a bad foot. he meandered all over the map and then cohen benefited from low expectations. everyone thought he would have a hard time on cross. he was disciplined. he was credible it was a bad start for blanche in and a good one for cohen, but as paula said, we have a long way to go. blanche. blanche had better throw out that big notebook that he brought with him today, tear it up, and start again
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tomorrow because it ain't workin was there are any rhyme or reason to me because my notes today, i kept actually taking something that he would say, but how much money did you make on a book? and then i would just go put it up next to my notes about how much did you make on a different book because blanche kept coming back to the same point seemingly without purpose. what was the purpose to throw michael cohen, i mean or was it just not well organized. >> well, no. is start with this. this is the third time i am agreeing with norm. i don't know what that means, but i do think cohen's stood up very well and i do think blanche did a poor job. he was all over the place maybe he wanted to throw cohen off, but i think he's throwing the jury off. you need to go sequentially. you meet the jury to understand what your points are and his points were, you're making money off of this, you're bias, you're not credible and you hate trump. those were the points he was trying to make instead we're all wondering where are you going? what is this winding road doing for us? i don't think he did a very good job. this is sort of one thing if
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you want to read real your big reveal, but you gotta give people some sort of a roadmap. >> now jeremy, what's interesting is at the beginning, when blanche came out and there is a room in the courthouse, right where there's a lot of reporters and there's tv screens. what's going on, you're not actually in the courtroom. so there's a little bit more reaction that room when when blanche starts off saying, you didn't you call me crying little you know. okay. and there's eruption of laughter now on the actual courtroom, it's completely stoic. >> but what was the reaction was a huge reaction. >> and so this room, it has probably about, i can have as many as like the 100 reporters and then there's about four rows of public. and so the public, they are lining up is our overnight lineups camping out to get in this courtroom and only about six or eight members of public, we'll get into the actual courtroom every day. another 20 or so, get into the main courtroom and because we're not in the courtroom, they can react. and obviously there's self-selecting. these
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are people who want to see this trial. >> i'm actually not on trump, sayyed, i would say. >> and so there was a big reaction when when blanche started with that line and cohen's response i'm going a couple other leinz he said there was that. did you call trump aide chito dusted cartoon villain? and so when that went, stuff like that happens, you get a big reaction from the public. who is there and does not have to be in court with the judge even in the courtroom, there was a little bit of a stuffy old snicker, a stifle to snicker, i must say just because you're talking about a tito dustin person, there's something farcical about the whole thing. ryan, one thing though that stood out to me was in all of this blanche trying to portray michael cohen is a liar. no, michael cohen, of course, is admitted to lying, saying he did so to help trump. right. but that's at the heart of this case. is michael cohen saying yes, i did that. >> but blanche was emphasizing it. >> that was one exchange that i wanted to ask you about of how you think this went. but blanche is asking cohen about his testify his testimony to robert molar and the molar investigation it goes like this blanchette to cohen, is non
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accurate information. >> ally cohen says, sure. >> blanche. says, again, is it a lie? cohen says it was inaccurate. yes. >> blanche, was it a lie? >> cohen? i don't know if i would characterize it at ally as a lie. it was inaccurate then cohen eventually says it wasn't truthful. you want to call it a lie? i'll call it a lie but that went on for a long time. >> was that a good exchange? >> not from michael cohen? and i think that's a good exchange for the defense team because what michael cohen is saying in that moment is, oh, that might have been inaccurate, but it's not a lie. and then if i were a member, for the jury, i might think, well, wait a minute. are you lying to us now? like you're giving us so much testimony or you in your mind or you're telling us michael cohen, you're considering that and inaccuracy and not ally because you're splicing it's so finally, so i don't think that's a good luck at the end. he does say, look, if you want to call that a lie, ally, i'm happy to call it that. so he recovers at the end that exchange just not a positive one. >> yeah. i mean, what did you make of that? he's refusal to just say ally was a lie it was
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not a high point of michael cohen's afternoon, but those moments when blanche was able to score a point or few and far between he committed the cardinal sin of cross-examinati on. >> it was so tangled up at points that it was boring. it actually were some of the first boring moments. and all of the 19 or so days of this trial that we've had. so he because the prosecution is it head-on points and because i believe with cohen's testimony, if he's believa-bull, they have established proof beyond a reasonable doubt. this was not an easy case. >> blanche had to really push cohen back across the line, scoring a couple of jimmy's is not going to do it. >> now, maybe he'll come out swinging on thursday. >> well, it is when you start a
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examination up with did you call me a crime little okay. you think okay. this is the this is a good date of 20 minutes later. i mean, people are yani. what does prefer dramatic shift from overdrive to sleepiness, but then he did recover. >> jeremy. what was the reaction? because blanche did go through playing tiktoks of cohen, listing all the things to basically show that cohen hates trump. >> now that's not a secret. >> cohen doesn't pretend to not hate gop. i mean, he does, as he said, a podcast twice a week, talking about his dislike for trump. but the chito dusted cartoon villain as blanche coat puts it with deadpan. no, not even trying to be funny what was the reaction to that? and all these other nasty things that cohen had said. >> one of the most surprising things i saw today was the lack of reaction from donald trump. he, you know, when keith davidson, came and testified trump turned in his chair. he was watching it. he was it seemed like enjoying watching stormy daniels lawyer get grilled by his attorney today, we really saw none of that.
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trump looked in cohen's direction a couple of times to see what he was doing. but for the most part, trump was in his sort of zoned out. i'm not listening to this. he had his eyes closed for long stretches of the testimony and it was surprising given how much, as you said, how much fireworks and sparks we were expecting. >> and will there be a lot more because obviously, blanche has not yet done what blanche will do which is tried to make the case that took cohen did this on his own and trump didn't direct it. that's the heart of this. he has even gotten there yet. >> he is not. i mean, if if e repeats his performance on thursday, then i think trump is in trouble even to the point that maybe trump would have to think. i do take the stand because at this point i'm losing. but thursday's a thursday and it's a fresh day. there's a lot of ammunition that the defense team has that has not been brought out today. and they can end big on thursday and then at the jury stew on ending big for three days because there's no trial on friday. right. and the big things aren't lying to congress, lying to a federal court. than lying about lying
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as a federal judge recently session in which one was the lie? because one of them is the lie and some of those lies that were crimes were committed for cohen on behalf of cohen, not cohen on behalf of donald trump so that's what's thursday is going to be about. but it also has to be in a way that does potentially unfurl. michael cohen in a way in which didn't happen at all today. so that has to happen on thursday if it doesn't happen. and i think trump is in serious trouble, we haven't talked much about what the prosecution did in the first half of the day, but they drew this thing. they fronted those leinz so that will make it tough on thursday, right? >> the jury has heard them is not is not gonna be. all right. all thank you. >> next and outfront exclusive. stormy, daniel's husband's speaking out for the first time. what he says he and stormy, daniel's will do if trump is found not guilty. >> plus it was a who's who of vp hopefuls in that room today, we saw them are pining republicans, lining up outside trump's trial i'll just show their loyalty and some of them that they've ramaswamy governor burgum, and they're all day do any of them stand a
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slash tv to clean your $5 trial i'm kayla tausche at the white house, and this is cnn tonight and exclusive interview with stormy daniel's husband. >> he's speaking out for the first time since his wife, the woman at the center of trump's hush money trial, took the stand barrett blade has been by stormy daniel side for 25 years. they knew each other long before daniels met trump. the two spent decades is friends and coworkers making it official is husband and wife two-and-a-half years ago, and barrett blade is out front now, so barrett, i really appreciate your time and you're choosing urine stormy, choosing for you to to speak now. >> i mean, stormy spent more than seven hours on the stand. >> she was there for over two days. obviously, it's the first time she was face-to-face with trump's since 2007, and i was in that room. i mean, there are only ten or 15 feet apart for those hours and hours how does she feel now that her testimony is behind her i mean, i don't think she feels any
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differently, maybe a little relief to not have to be stressed about going in there, but i mean, i think she feels the same way. >> she always says felt about it and you know on that this process, it has taken a long time. so when do you mean you just talk about the stress of that moment? i mean, the preparation, i mean intense preparation then the waiting in the waiting and the delays of the trial, then actually having to come testify me to actually get on a plane, come and do it how much stress did all that put on her with everything else in her life she just wants to get on with their life and the fact that it keeps coming back over and over and over it creates a lot of stress. >> i think that to have to relive these moments over as much as it's boring for the media to keep hearing it over and over again it sucks for her to have to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again. >> it wears honore, but she's a warrior and i think she needed to get her her final say so that she can move on with your
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life and you have been by her side. as i said, throughout all of this for so many years as you know, when she did testify, the defense then tried to tear her apart. it was a purposefully denigrate cross-examination you could you could hear it in the voice of the attorney what was it like for you as a stormy's husband to hear all of that i mean, look, i'm used to hearing all the kind of hate them. >> i'm a dallas cowboys but for her, she she's she's so experienced with it right now. >> it doesn't bother me as much as eso tell you, like twitters or favorite sports, she's kinda used to all of this i think she's probably more prepared than anything for those type of comments because that's kind of witch she gets all the time from twitter and from all her social media. so i think i think that almost help prepare her you know, all the native all the negative the negative comments but for me personally i don't really i
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don't really follow i don't really get on the social media and all the hate and all the tweets and all that stuff. so for me personally, it doesn't really affect me unless effexor if she comes back in some hurts her, then that's when that's when it bothers me you know, i mentioned that the tone of the defense cross-examination barrett and they did repeatedly tried to shame her and shame her career specifically, there was one exchange i wrote rid of down when i was in the room, but the trump's lawyer says you've acted in porn in 21 sex films, right? >> and stormy replies, including comps compilations lawyer says and you've also written and directed 150 sex films, you said in your your direct, is that correct? and stormy replies, give or take. >> and the lawyer says, so this was your career for over 20 years, writing, acting, and directing sex films, right? >> stormy says yes. >> then the lawyer says barrett suv, a lot of experience and making phony stories about sex appear to be real, right? and
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i'm sizing the words here because there was a lot of tone in it and store me stops and says, wow, and then she laughs and she goes, that's not how i would put it. the sex in the films is very much real, just like what happened to me in that room what do you hear there i mean, the tone of the questions was purposefully denigrating about everything stormy did about her life and about her career what does stormy think about the way those questions were asked? >> i mean, once again, i think the career that we chose early on, she's been getting that for since you started doing points. he's kinda kind of his to that kind of thing people were trying to slip samer since since day one. and she's probably what she does you no, she's not she's she does not think that sex is a negative thing. you know, section looked at as such a forbidden taboo. it's a very american thing to think that way. and as far as as far as the comments i mean, i think she's dead on i don't
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think she's ashamed of all of it, and i agree. i think she's a brilliant writer, so if that stuff that these bony sex, or she would have written something way better than what you about the trump story. it's she did come back very quickly there when she said that's not how so i would put it the sex in the films is very much real, just like what happened to me in that room. >> i mean, she she didn't take a second even pause and say that yeah. >> and i think there's a common afterwards about that she made up the story just like she writes her, or her stories. >> in our movie something like that. and she said, no, i would have written it a lot better. >> she got greece, she's a writer. >> see what it wrote in a lot more entertaining and with a lot better person, i would imagine she didn't she did absolutely say that. so about when you install me have had a chance to talk about this since she testified have you discussed what happens when you talk about her trying to get on with her life. >> if trump is found not guilty
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if chubb has felt like not guilty, i think there's a i mean either way, i don't think he gets better for her i think if it's not guilty we got to decide what to do good chance. we'll probably vacate this country if he is found guilty, that she's still got to deal with all the hate that feel like she's the reason that he's guilty from all of his followers. so i don't see it as a when situation either way. >> i know that we would like to get on with our lives. >> i know that she wants to move past this. we want we just want to do what i guess we would say normal people get to do and some aspects but i don't i don't know if that ever will be no and it breaks my heart, breaks my heart. some of the things that she has to go through that people don't realize, you know, we we i guess, for example you know, everybody has their agenda for
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at this point and i don't see people fighting back for her, for instance e jean carroll, although we're super happy that everything that happened for happened stormy opened the door, but stormy got sued for the exact same two comments. and she ended up getting legal fees. he's got to pay for, but no one wants to help her with that. are the women's groups. she knows she fights for women's groups all day long i don't see anyone doing go fund me is to try to help with her legal fees and to help her out and micro, avenatti, he did a gut gofundme to try to help her and they end up stealing all her money it just there's a list that goes on and on and on and she donated to the hurricane relief and louisiana she has all these great things and knows boeing comes back and helps her out. so that's that's the biggest heartbreak i think everything that's going on right now is that she's fighting for everybody and no one's fighting for her. and that's what makes me the most
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upset about all of the situation. >> now, when you talk about wanting to get on with your life and if he's found not guilty, that you may be forced to leave the country. i mean, just the disruption to your entire life, your entire life together into her life i just wanted to show some of the pictures that you shared of her and you because you have known each other for 25 years and obviously you're married now, as she shared one of us with us of you teaching her daughter had to put in contact lenses in a moment from your honeymoon where you're dancing to your wedding song, write something that almost everybody does. and you filmed her on your honeymoon as well. i'm just going to play a brief clip from that barron i today. >> we don't i mean bag, you know, when you play that, it just if people didn't know who she was, right? if they didn't know are stormy daniels it's just the normal side of that most people know, but certainly they haven't seen her in that
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context before. >> so in this context, when you talk about people not knowing her what do you want people to really know about who she is and what the biggest misperception is. >> there out there that people still have of her i want people to know that sees a brilliant mother. she's a great partner she she's very talented. he's brilliant writer, director list goes on and on what people don't like. >> i think everyone thinks this is a lot like democrats are funding this whole thing or some crazy stuff like that. >> but like she's doing all of this because she's doing what she feels is right for this country and for the people in this country and for the future of her daughter and i think most. >> people think that she's doing this for money she rich, rich. >> we don't have millions of millions of dollars, you know, we don't. >> in fact, even to do the
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case, she had to come out of her own pocket the fly up there, get a hotel her own food, and i'm sure they'll they'll reimburse her at some point, but no one's front and the bills for any of this stuff. >> this is all her fighting for which she believes is right. and telling the truth and i don't think a lot of people realize that i think they there's a lot that believe what the media feeds feeds them and they believe the leinz and nobody fact checks anymore when hides behind their digital wall. >> and believes what they're told him and it's just scary state in our country right now. it's very, very scary barrett. >> i appreciate your time and thank you very much for sharing all this yeah, no problem next, we are just learning what trump is now bragging about in private on his way to court. we've got this new reporting coming up next, plus new poll showing biden trailing trump in several key swing but biden told me that the polls are wrong. >> is he right? >> or is it wishful thinking? i'm gonna go beyond the
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channel. and maria you got this. i'm tom, four minutes earning trump is privately bragging that he's getting more media attention around this trial. then he would on the
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campaign trail, this is according to a source who heard about trump's conversation today with house speaker mike johnson on his way to court contradicting complaints like this from the former president the republican nominee for president, awaiting every ball and i have a gag order. >> so i think it's totally unconstitutional in the fourth week, i've been stuck in here for four weeks in front now, ronan farrow contributing writer for the new yorker, who has done extensive reporting on trump's hush money payments, and who wrote the book catch and kill lies, spies, that conspiracy to protect predators. ronen of course, is a lawyer as well, and ronan, i know you've been speaking to your sources all around this case as we are now in week for what are they telling you about michael cohen's testimony tonight well, it's important to remember that michael cohen going on the stand this week was a lynchpin of the case. >> prosecutors wanted to convey to jurors the way they've
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structured their argument is that they had witnesses related to a dean between donald trump and am i at the time parent company of the national enquirer that david pecker, the head of that outfit, saying, yes, there was a scheme. we had a conversation with trump where we agreed we were going to capture stories that could be unflattering during the election and run other stories that could be flattering then they proceeded to have trump organization folks talk about the concealment of the transactions that are at the center of the case. now, the lynchpin that's still needed to happen from a prosecutorial standpoint, was someone who could say donald trump ordered that concealment directly. and that's the role michael cohen in plays. and michael cohen on the stand yesterday and especially today, really, did what prosecutors needed in that respect. there were a lot of potential downsides to having michael cohen on the stand. he has a history of by his own admission, lying to congress and another prominent places he
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is viewed as someone who and be a loose cannon at times, and he had been early on in this trial. but over the last two weeks, he's been quite disciplined. and on the stand today, he was disciplined. he had a very sober posture, and attitude, and he made the points that prosecutors needed to him to make chiefly that donald trump was in direct and regular conversation with him about this concealment. >> and that is what it's all about. of course, you've got another day of cross coming and we'll see what todd blanche does today as we pointed out, was quite meandering and unclear exactly where it was going. we'll see what happens on thursday rohann, just a minute ago, i spoke with stormy, daniel's husband and i asked him what he and stormy are going to do if trump is found not guilty and he had a pause as he thought about it, said they had talked about it, and then he said this ronan if trump is phone not guilty, i think there's a either way, i don't think he gets better for her i think if it's not
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guilty, we got to decide what to do good chance. we'll probably vacate this country i mean, you know we're going to just it makes you think obviously a lot of people who have interacted with trump have seen their lives uprooted, all sorts of people, right? >> allen weisselberg, that chief financial officers and testifying because he's in rikers island trump's former white house adviser, peter navarro, federal prison in florida, manafort served time but now you hear this from stormy daniels as a witness, right in this case, the toll that this has taken on her life, it is the wide swath of destruction here. >> it's just something to think about. >> it is indeed, and michael cohen, of course, is one of those people who served time as part of the fallout for his activities with trump around all of this, you're exactly right in characterizing it as a wide swath of destruction donald trump likes to point out that the transactions at the heart of this case, we're about something not that concept
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sequential him concealing things like infidelity, but the concealment itself is something that was elaborate as prosecutors have pointed out, and as michael cohen pointed out on the stand today, and something that caused a lot of destruction in a lot of people's lives. and prosecutors are trying to assert to jurors that it caused a destructive impact. for voters to who deserved access to accurate information during the election, all right. >> of course, did not get it because this did not come out because the payment. all right. ronen, thank you very much. good to see you. of course. >> always a pleasure, erin. all right. >> next, the tryouts to be trump's vp today, i saw it in the courtroom. you saw them inside all day. who could stay longer, lined up to show their loyalty his daughter is making millions of dollars running against donald trump. >> the prosecution's main strategy appears to be two bohr the jurors into submission both
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you were right behind me. >> only pay for what you need labor day this is cnn the world's news network tonight, vp additions at the courthouse, president donald trump's allies, many of them vp hopefuls showed up. it to his hush money criminal trial. each of them showcasing their loyalty by publicly slamming the trial is a sham or insulting the witnesses are going after judge juan merchan's daughter during trump's dirty work, because trump can't say those things because he's under the gag order. so today there were a lot of them and i saw many of them in the courtroom speaker mike johnson was outside, came all the way into newark to be outside and talked about michael cohen this is a man who has clearly on a mission for
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personal revenge. he is someone who has a history of perjury and as well-known for it no one should believe a word he says today the judge inside his daughter is making millions of dollars running against donald trump, raising money for donald trump's political opponents in the world where i came from, business this would have been a a non-material classification error at best, it might have been tried to two misdemeanor. >> the prosecution's main strategy appears to be two bohr, the jurors into submission it is depressing that courtroom is depressing mental anguish is trying to be pushed on republican candidate for the president, united states nearly every person you just heard there has been floated to be trump's vp pick. so harry enten is out front to go beyond the number. so this is clear. tom felt that it's nice to have eric there sometimes lovely it's nice that borussia epstein there every day. beautiful, but he wanted, he wanted his loyalty shelf. so today was a big day.
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hey, jd vance vivek ramaswamy, governor burgum, they were all there and burgum was there all day long, end of the de bergman vivek were still there. jd vance was not. >> but this is the vp stakes. >> this is the vp stakes. we spoke last night about how in the betting markets doug burgum at this particular point is the front runner, but he's the front runner and he's only got a 24% chance of being the nominate, the vp nominee, trump's are up pick. there are 13 candidates at this point that 2% chance or greater of being trump's vp, that is there are a lot of different options. and the reason why i mentioned those beyond the front runner is because you can go back in time and look at the betting odds at this point over the last few cycles where we didn't know who the vp would be. you go back to 2008, sarah palin had a 5% chance is less point, paul ryan had a 5% chance at this 0.2. that's mike pence said i wanted
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percent. nobody thought he was going to be the vp he picked so i think this sort of audition, this apprentice vp is out there because maybe there's someone who's going to show up at that courtroom who were not even thinking about at this point and they can perhaps impressed trump and trump becoming a presses, you know what? maybe i'll make you my vice president, right? >> i mean, maybe that's about me, but just watching it today. i mean, it's like this a congo pageants. it's a pageant as trump would like to say, those. so okay. this comes as the battleground polls that have come out recently have been good for trump and not good for biden. now, when biden and i spoke last week, he expressed disdain and frustration. four polls in general take in terms of how they are judging him on the economy. here's what he said we've already turned it around. >> look, look at the michigan survey for 65% american people think they're in good shape economically, i think the nation's not in good shape. but they're personally good shape. the polling data has been wrong all along.
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>> you, how many you guys do a poll? cnn how many pokes you have to call to get one response the idea that we're in a situation where things are so bad that folks, i mean we've created more jobs so he doesn't like the pulse. >> he doesn't like what they're showing right now. is he right or is it wishful thinking? >> he loved the polls four years ago when they shot him ahead. these are the same polls now, but here's the thing. the polls can be right at this point, and then keep in mind, we still have six months until the election polls can change plenty. you go back over history. you look back since 1972, the average difference between the poles at this point and the final result, six points. the biggest difference was 15 points and 1980 swaying. when do caucuses ahead and even on election day, polls can be off substantially and people point that out. and what, what is history show? >> yeah, you know, talk about the battleground states. look at the arrows on election day and the average battleground states, the polls were off six points since 1972 in 2020, they were all five points so for
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talking about one, two point leads in these battleground states, the polls could be showing one thing and then the other person had certainly win. >> and that would show historically true because we know, but people are going to say, oh, who knows fraud, whatever, look at history, it always happens, harry, thank you. hello. thank you. >> next the breaking news, the wall street journal reporting biden is forward with $1 of new weapons for israel okay, everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition for strength and energy ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein i love that my daughter is still needs me. what sometimes that can help due to burning and stabbing pain in my hands. so why use nerve vi your vice clinical doses? ala reduces nerve discomfort and his little as seven days of now i can help again. you have the difference with nerves five today at america's beverage companies are models might still look the same, but they
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historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities that deal with that problem. >> we're going to continue to make sure because you're is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks like came out the least recently. but it's assists wrong. we're not going to we're not going to supply the weapons and artillery shells use that have been used shells as well. yeah, i totally shelf i want to go now to barak ravid, cnn political and global affairs analyst, also the politics and foreign policy reporter for axios and brock. >> this reporting from the wall street journal tonight to proceed with weapons transfers, including tank ammo, and other things after publicly drawing a red line and being so explicit about it, how does this make biden look i think, that this report, again, i hate to shoot down someone else's story, but, you know, it has nothing to do
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with ralph it does nothing to do with biden's red line the reason is first, because israel still did not start a major ground invasion of rafah can therefore did not cry plus biden's red line and therefore it did not trigger any suspension of arms transfers. >> and second, because everything that is in this package is weapons that weren't even produced yet by the industry. in the and some of it will take months until we will be produced and transfer to israel and some of it will take as long as three years to be sent to israel. so again, they're not used for a rafah offensive. >> when you lay it out i understand that, but but i mean, in terms of also, do you think just the announcement itself, do you think that there is perhaps an understanding or that netanyahu is going to back off or no i don't know. i think the jury is still in any
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case that as far as i know, the biden administration did not say that it's spending arms sales to israel it's a one. arms shipments of 3,500 bombs for fighter jets biden said that if israel goes into rafah in a major ground invasion, he will suspend more offensive weapons. this still hasn't happened, therefore, for right now, there's no as far as i understand it, there's no change in biden's arms two pi policy to israel. >> well, and i think significant as you point out, and we just with the details, you're giving that even if one were to look at this announcement as possibly giving israel what they want to do, what they want to cross the red line, you're saying it takes months or years for these weapons even get there. i mean, i think the context that you're giving barack is crucial. >> i know that you have new reporting in terms of where this red line is tonight, just very basically the conversations between biden and netanyahu your reporting that
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the national security adviser, jake sullivan, is headed to israel. >> so what's the significance of that in this moment from your reporting, barack so first i think that this trip buys another few days for the biden administration when it comes to rafah, because the understanding between the white house and the israeli prime minister's office that israel will not significantly, significantly expand its operation rafah before sullivan arrives in it israeli, it's expected to be, i think on sunday then a few days after sullivan comes back to washington, either late next week or the week after, there's going to be a high meeting in-person at the white house between teams from the us and israel, exactly about the operation in rafah can i suspect? >> the this understanding to let's say, put on hold the further expansion of the operation rafah will continue until after that meeting. i think the biden administration managed to buy another let's say, a week or two, two weeks
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