think people are hungry for something different. and i think as a construction community, there's enough people coming up in the next generation that really want to learn these new innovative things were stores and crops to pursue this from, from nothing to get too, are you actually have the company and the product and the idea. >> and, you know, and that you wrote about are in your book life as we know, it can be right? >> but when you look at what she's doing right now, she says that the definition of insanity is doing something, you know, won't work again and again. >> part of the reason people do that is because it's cheap on the upfront exactly. >> is this more expensive to build? >> well, actually wrote this book because as a guide to my boy, like where to live, what kind of house to live in as the earth heats up right now. >> and it turns out that if you live in a place with a lot of swimming pools like florida, california, the southern part, those so the contractors who know how to blow concrete shot create a g9. it's called and so it might be 5% more than a stick frame construction, but there's so many saved costs at

the end. you don't have to put a roof on it, you don't have to put signing on it. you can do whatever you want with it. >> but it's just encouraging to see somebody take their anxiety and turned it into action? yes. to make a site and actually all of us absolutely lee and 5% more. i mean, that's nothing when you think about it. all right. thank you so much, bill. and don't miss the one-hour champions for change special saturday at nine ac30 60 starts now good evening and what a de and welcome to a week of testimony from perhaps the most consequential and controversial prosecutor and witnesses the former president's hush money trial. >> michael cohen a onetime fixer attorney, and according to his memoir, designated thug for the former president. he's now a convicted felon and self admitted per juror. but despite that resume, he took the stand today as the single individual who can show the jury believed him do what no other witnesses can testify to multiple directly conversations with the former president about then candidates not allege knowledge and even authorization of every critical step of the alleged

hush money crime that forms the basis of 34 felony charges against him, plus, cohen can testify to the prosecution's allegation that the so-called catch and kill scheme was a political move designed to win an election cohen today quoted trump telling him he wanted stormy daniels allegation under wraps until after the election, quote if i win and has no relevance, i will be president if i lose, i don't even care. prosecutor use tax call logs and emails wherever possible to document cohen's testimony and tried to front end the credibility issues the defense will certainly use against cohen afterwards, the former president addressed the news media. he had harsh words for the trial itself and the judge, but no mention of the witness just in the gag order, may be having an effect joining me now, criminal defense attorney arthur aidala, former federal prosecutor, jeffrey thuban, and a slew of my colleagues who are in the courthouse on these huge day anchors, abby, phillip kaitlan, collins, laura coates, and also corresponds kara scannell, caroline start off with you as we often do, what was like i mean, i thought it was just so fascinating how michael cohen was so controlled

today. >> his answers were very deliberate. he chose his words carefully. he was measured as he told this whole story from when he first started working for donald trump, where he was talking favorably about him, about the experience to ultimately where are we ended up at the end of the de, which is work he said donald trump approved this reimbursement to him. another thing that really stood out to me was how prosecutors were weaving these call logs in-between everything that michael congress testifying to really give the jury something else to look at it. >> it's not just michael cohen's worry. >> it's not just michael cohen's word because a lot of this is cohen remembering a conversation he had with trump, but there's no other evidence of what that conversation was, except these call log show that calls took place, one that stood out to me right before michael cohen went to the bank to create the bank account for essential consultants. and then why are the $130,000 payment to keith davidson, stormy daniels, attorney? he called on trump twice that morning at 8:30. we know he got to the bank at 10:00 a.m. and open the account and began this process. so we were seeing from the

prosecutor's getting to the credibility of cohen giving the jury something else to look at here, which were these call logs kaitlan, you were there in the afternoon. >> what was that? >> yeah. and the afternoon is really when they got to the heart why we're sitting inside that courtroom, which is the negotiation of this deal. that was interesting to me. i will go and say before that he spoke to donald trump before he took down that home equity line of credit. but what was so notable about that moment is what we had heard from karen are other colleagues all morning. was that trump wasn't or that michael cohen wasn't really looking at the jury, wasn't making eye contact when he was answered bring that question and explaining why he did it, which is because it was paperless, no documents would come in the male to his home saying that you took out $130,000 line of credit because his wife didn't know and he was explaining that he looked directly at the jury for sustained periods of time and it was kinda walking in through it. and then in another moment he was explaining when which the prosecution was trying to get up because they know the defense will bring this up on cross-examination. is michael cohen wanted a job inside the trump administration and didn't get one. michael cohen

was saying today, he didn't actually think he was qualified to be chief of staff and he wanted his name to be yeah, that's a great well, this is the for days, but he wanted his name to be included because it was essentially an ego boost. he was very upfront and blunt about that, but he was talking about text messages with his daughter and how good of a relationship that they have and where she was texting him. and they showed this on the screen that she was asking, you know, you're not going to get a job after everything you've done for donald trump. and that was his view? billing as well. and he was explaining that to the jury and they were listening very closely. and it was kind of a humanizing moment for michael cohen, which he certainly is going to need when the defense tries to obviously eviscerate them as works. there were a lot of those. it was there in the morning for the the ramp up to all of this. and this is where you really saw michael cohen. i think exercising the control, the qarrah is talking about. we've all at some point or another talk to michael cohen, the version of michael cohen that most people are used to. he's pretty bombastic. he can be very loud. he was not that

person on the witness stand when he first got there in the morning, he had his hands to his side most as if he was sitting on them. he had his body language was so close to the vest and he starts talking about this relationship with trump, trying to build up this credibility that he was not always this bitter person, even to the point of talking at not on numerous occasions about how many times he did things for donald trump, knowing that he would not get paid for it. he was not paid for a lot of work that he did before he came into the trump organization. >> there was $100,000 thousand dollars that that served in two key ways. and at this point perhaps speaks to how well well, he was prepared one, it showed that trump if he didn't want to pay a bill, he wouldn't pay it. but two, that michael cohen was willing to do whatever for the simple praise of being in trump's orbit. and then again, when after the election, trump doesn't give him the job of his dreams, but don't as make him a personal

attorney. he says he knew he wasn't going to get paid for that job. he was going to have the title, but no compensation. the only money that he was going to get where those $35,000 checks that we're actually more or less reimbursements for the hush money scheme? i was really struck by just how puppy like he just he portrayed himself for donald trump. i mean, i was there in the morning. it was a bit surreal to see him describe himself and his voice would almost be wistful talking about. i was on top of the world when he would we need praise them, that he was seeking that praise that validation. and that was so important for the prosecution to get out because they want the jury to have a snapshot. they don't want the michael cohen up today. they want to have the person who at that time what were you willing to do? what did you do? but more importantly, at who is behest did you do so? we hadn't heard much testimony up until now. about the direction that we're given by donald trump, who he was giving the attractions to.

we heard today. i want you in the pecker to work together. you and allen weisselberg to figure this out. the instructions given in a way we had not seen before. and there was also a moment where they took the wind out of the sale of the defense argument suggests that look he's a liar and all capacities why believe and why he says one, i lied routinely for donald trump. that was part of my job. he knew that i did that and for the media, the other part was the big question everyone asks, why did he record that phone call or that that conversation between himself and donald trump? he says fronting the issue, i did it because i wanted david pecker to remain loyal to trump. i did because i wanted to show pecker that he didn't tend to pay the money. and i knew it was in a cut off the phone cloth yet or the courage in the end, but it didn't matter. i already have what i needed at that point. and so whether that's coming across as authentic, the jury or not, that seems like the biggest bunch of bowl i mean, that's what he is arguing. is that he donald trump's personal attorney is secretly recording

recording a phone call against covered, violating all sorts of ethical things of his own client that he's then going to play to david pecker, an alleged personal friend of donald trump yeah. to tell david pecker for how trump has his back. if i'm personal friend of donald trump, i'm david pecker. why wouldn't david fair go to trump's there's 40, didn't say that's why at the beginning with so important, were you part of the legal team? >> no, i was not. were you prior general counsel? no, i was not. and we had heard the idea of him being called the attorney all this time. it's what he was to tell david pecker that he's seen quarterly recorded the other part about this is that yes. >> david pecker was a close friend, two degree of donald trump's. but according to michael cohen, this is his testimony. david pecker was furious and was antsy. he was nervous that he had put basically $130,000 on ami's she wrapped bank bank account and he couldn't justify it and he wanted trump to repay that

money back. and on top of that ami had that drawer of dirt alleged dirt on donald trump and michael cohen was nervous about that. and so the money that was supposed to go to karen mcdougal was not just for karen mcdougal, but also but for the contents of that drawer, the part that i was the most skeptical of was why all of a sudden that went away when it went away pretty suddenly. all of a sudden, david pecker was like, oh, i made all this money. >> the more rational explanation mcdougal and knew that this was sketchy and he was recording for his own protection is that that's also not to the benefit of donald trump either. i don't think but the prosecution accomplish what they needed to well, the thing that struck me in reading, i was not in the courtroom, but in reading the testimony is the scaffolding that the prosecution is building around michael cohen. karen mentioned the phone records, but it's not just the phone records. it's how often the prosecution susan

hoffinger, the lawyer, either explicitly or implicitly connected his testimony to other evidence in the case, whether it's other testimony, other other documents just building this scaffolding so that if he gets attacked, it's not just his word now, obviously his word counts for a lot, especially in the conversations with trump. >> but other than that, you know, what the question i have and i assume we'll get to this later is just how are they going to attend? >> hi, kim, because they can't say he didn't know donald trump and the checks speak for themselves. he did pay stormy daniels. he did get checks from trump. what is they're going to say he's liar, he's terrible. but what is it that he lied about? why we had a defense attorney what, do, you attack him? >> everyone saying, oh, you know, today was a great day for the prosecution. if today was not a great day for the prosecution, alvin bragg has to go in there tomorrow and like

dismiss the charges. i mean, today had to be a great day. oh, the first maybe maybe one of the there's so many ways to attack but i would say mr. cohen, you testified direct examination that you didn't take $130,000 out of your bank account because to pay for this because i don't want your wife to know, correct. and would you determine to do the way to get around that wants to take out a home equity line of credit? correct. and that was a way for you to lie to your wife, correct? no. no, i was so in my life. >> well, you didn't go home and say, honey, we have to make a decision here and our marriage to give $130,000 to pay this off. >> he didn't do that, correct. so you deceived your own wife regarding this particular matter? correct. how does that make donald trump innocent? it's jeffrey, you know, this is why i have the charge will read or later on, i have the charge that the judge will read to the jury at the end of the case about credibility at basically anderson, what it says is you could accept in whole or in part it's called falses uno so if you find that

he's lying about one thing, just one thing. >> the judge is going to tell him. you can throw all of them the testimony when president trump needs is one to two or maybe three of those people on the jury to be like, i can't live. abby doesn't believe him about one thing seriously, then obviously one or two of those people who don't agree with her like this guy's full of it. >> i do have one other thing that i found to just be lacking in michael cohen once testimony me, he testified to allen weisselberg talking him through how he would be compensated, and then he says, allen weisselberg went and brave basically briefed trump, but he wasn't in the room for that conversation. the strong implication is that trump was then told that he was going to be given michael cohen was going to be given this money on the cover of some kind of retainer, which is the falsification of business records. part of it. but michael cohen doesn't actually know that and he testified that maybe that conversation happened, but he can't really prove it and you can't really

put he was out allen, but he was asked at the end, which is probably one of those critical ones to come out of this is if alan isobaric showed that document, which is the key document, really the whole case to trump, where they talk about how they'll change it, and how always going to be compensated and then get the extra 50 grand for something that trump didn't pay him four. and he said he testified that yes. allen weisselberg did show that document to trump and the trump did approve it. >> if you're the jury, aren't you wondering where as weisselberg they've called other people, talk about what he's, what he's done and how the accounting works. but that's the real missing elephant in the room. but one way to get a sense of how maybe the fact binders a jury of thinking about this is through the objections that were raised by the defense that were sustained today. when the judge is going along with what they're arguing and part of that was every time the prosecution attempted to say and go one step further. if i go cohen and say and from what did you think that person meant when they said that to you or what do you think that person was feeling at the time it was

sustained each time because you're needing michael cohen to go that extra step to suggest as it wasn't just intimation, it wasn't just my thought about how and why you were saying it. but could you actually give me the verbatim details of what they said as opposed to him just saying, well, what did he say once you told him things have been done? fantastic gift. thank he stayed fantastic, fantastic is not an instruction, but it could be for the jury allegation that he wanted it to happen kara scannell. thank you. were never more everyone else stay with us. we just got the full transcripts of today's testimony, including michael cohen admitting to pass lies. john berman is going to go through those forests plus the most fascinating if you pointing the entire courtroom sketch artist christine cornell joins, except for the people on the panel. of course, christine cornell joins us again with her impressions the place where no cameras are sadly allowed. look right back anderson cooper, three, 60. >> he's brought to you by tebor visit sounds like td.com jade made progress with your mental health, but her medication caused unintentional

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pointed to michael cohen $30,000 payment what am i we have to ask michael cohen, michael's my charney and you'll have to ask michael kahn i don't know journeys now with transcripts from cohen's testimony today seen as john berman. so we did just get the final installment of the transcript in it was at the very end of the day in this last section that perhaps the most important legal moment took place and it had to do when michael cohen testified about the payment plan and what trump knew, he described a meeting in trump tower in january of 2017 when trump was president elect at that point with allen weisselberg, michael cohen, and donald trump. michael cohen says, during the conversation, allen turned around and said to me, while we're talking about this, it was and what we're gonna do is

we're going to pay you over 12 months. it was probably better if i get it in one lump sum. no, no, no, no, no. why don't you do it as over 12 months and it will be paid out to you monthly question from the prosecutor, susan hoffinger. and if he say anything about how it would be paid out as something cohen? yeah. it was like legal services rendered heard since i was then being given the title of personal attorney to the president, then a little bit later, hoffinger asks, did mr. weisselberg's state in front of mr. trump that you are going to receive $420,000 over the course of 12 months, cohen? yes. >> hoffinger. and what, if anything, did mr. trump's say at the time? cohen says he approved it and he also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in dc question from hoffinger. and did missile weisselberg say in front of mr. trump that those monthly payments would be, you know, like a retainer for legal services. michael cohen says yes. >> so why laura coates is that

the most critical testimony from the day? >> well, because we're talking about 34 counts of falsifying business records. the heart is not whether there was an affair or whether the allegations were true about either karen mcdougal are surely daniel's is about whether or not they intentionally falsified records to suggest that this was more than what mcconney talked two batches, simple dropdown menu or options where this i had to put legal services down. it was an intentional act. he is alleging, of course, you're talking about always sober and cohen, this conversation. but the defendant is actually trump that's the issue. >> but have you looked at the words that burgess wrote read i'm calling you that because that's what he calls you. i'm sorry. i answered a much worse. >> i don't mean to be the suspect. four, i always call all right. >> sorry he says he approved it, but it doesn't use the words that he approved it with. >> he quotes some saying this is gonna be a heck of a rotten dc, which has nothing to do with the approval so that's something that i would i would focus on as well. well, you said he approved. did he nod

his head. did he say something you want to direct? he approved it but didn't say how you prove said okay, that's great. that sounds good. allen, get it done. you just said he approved it, but then you remember him saying it's gonna be a heck of a rod in dc so why is your memory so clear about it's a heck of a rotten dc and not how, how did he approve it? >> but isn't that isn't that statement that he remembers. if he were locked hi wouldn't he say oh, yes. make it be sure to make it a look like a legal fee. in fact, it seems like trump's sort of changes the subject and talks about his experience in dc, isn't that doesn't want to see how he approves it. he just says he approved it. that was the other question. it also is michael cohen talked about how he basically never constructed a retainer agreement for trump because he never was getting paid for basically anything that he did for donald trump, including the $100,000 he was owed when he was first brought on a decade ago and including in this moment when he was changing jobs then. so i think the other question that i had

and there was a couple yz now getting paid and how often is if you are getting a legal retainer, is it ever grossed up for taxes? no. no. no, no. exactly. so that's the primary question so the critical thing about that meeting is if it's to believe believe this is the moment when trump is informed that the building is going to be the same proper legal services essentially well yes. but but also trump writes the checks i mean, what is what possible explanation for their is there except that it is the deal that he worked out with weisselberg and kotb. >> the questions that i have, i mean, if i mean, maybe arthur, you can speak to this is there a defense and trump saying or trump's attorney saying, well, he was advised by allen weisselberg, this is the best way to do it, and he agreed but that's definitely a piece of it. >> and also, i mean it's not that he it's not that a veterinarian laid out the money and he's giving it to michael

cohen and legal fee and then michael cohen is going to give him his lawyer did leave lay out the money, the money is going to michael cohen. michael cohen is his lawyer. so writing a legal legal fee down there it's not like so far-fetched. if i'm if i'm doing the closing argument, i would say, ladies and gentlemen, the jury, do you think when donald trump had constructions done on one of his buildings and he wrote a check to the construction firm. do you think he broke it down? well, this much it was for concrete and this much was for rebar. and this is much worse for window or you say, here here's the big check you deal with vermin. here, michael cohen, here's the big check. if some of it is money that you earn, it's yours. if someone's money who laid out, it's yours. but in my mind, it all goes on to legal fees but has a different summation. >> right. and that's why they have book excerpts to talk about how meticulously he managed his money, how he didn't how he would say i can even had my westerhout's saying, but he would look at the things he would void out other aspects of it he knew were his money was going. >> he was telling michael cohen

to pay $0.20 on the dollar exactly what to renegotiate part of the test mine say it was about michael cohen's job being two renegotiate invoices that he didn't like. >> that was a big is it? the argument is he's not a paying michael cohen. the argument you make as defending donald trump is its money going to his lawyer it's monday, whether i'm sorry. again, not for legal services. that's the point. okay. but i think you could argue to a jury that this is my new xia and it's a political it is a political hit job on this guy because that i sit in the front row, alvin bragg, who is not sitting in a murder trial right now, who's not sitting in a robbery trial right now? he's sitting here because he doesn't want him to be president of the united states. it's called selective prosecutions. ladies and gentlemen of the jury, and your justice in this courtroom. and justice dictates that you walk them right out. well, let me let me raise with my thoughts on how outraising with this not

managing the free world. he wasn't talking about deplete till it with homeless. he wasn't talking about congressional action. he was thinking about writing checks and michael cohen because of stormy daniels. so you want to talk about the rooms that we're in and why were there and how long we stay there? do you are you telling me that the person who is now the president and i was doing this, he was also concerned about karen mcdougal. >> you're right. >> you're right before a woman. he said but isn't i mean two words, not mean anything. i mean, no, no. have they weren't legal services. that's a fact. what is going to go look i'm going to make he watched every penny. i get that part. i think that's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. i don't think they've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved with how it gets written down in ledger books or how it gets how it goes down to his account. that's clearly why is that what level of detail matters what what what you're leaving out our arthur understandably because you're making the case for the defense, is this is not

an ordinary legal fee because as donald trump knows, this lawyer laid out $130,000 of his own money from his wife by the board campaign right? >> right hey, that's what he did well, today is i think he made it clear that this if you believe is thesauri that nothing to do with millennia, there's nothing to do with his family. this had everything to do with pain and that's an essential that was one of the most brutal moments of michael cohen's testimony. >> it was incredible. i think berman has the transcript what do you the transcript of the locker room talk why and the why of both. the other one where he that one. >> let me just play this sound bite because this was the interview i did with melania trump in 2016 about the access hollywood tape. i think if memory serves me, it was her first interview after the access hollywood tape he described it as a locker room talk to you. i mean, you just sort of alluded to that as well. is that what it is two, you just locker room talk yeah. >> i i it's kind of two

teenage boys actually, they should behave better, right it was a correct and sometimes i said i have two boys at home. i have my young son and i have my husband so but i know how some men talk and that's how i saw it, yes what's interesting and we learn today, according to michael cohen, melania trump had a role in shaping cohen says it was her idea, which we have never go walk as it was her idea, half-inch the prosecutor says, what, if any, discussion you remember with mr. travel about the access hollywood tape, cohen says he wanted me to reach out to all of my contacts with the media. we needed to put a spin on it and the spin that he wanted to put on it was that this is locker room talk something that melania had recommended or at least he told me that's what meloni have thought it was. now, to your point, caitlin, about melania it in her point here, michael cohen goes on to

say, donald trump really didn't care that much about what melania thought. this is a little bit of an excerpt that also has a zinger about the timing here cohen says, during the negotiation of purchase and acquire the life, right? what he had said to me is what i want you to do is just push it out. this is the stormy daniels payment as long as you can just get past the election. because if i win it has no relevance. i will be president. if i lose, i don't even care, then the prosecutor says, good, you bring up at the time the topic of his wife melania, and one of those conference sessions, cohen says, i did hopkins your what did you say in substance to him? cohen says i said to him. and how's things going to go with the upstairs halford your says were you concerned about that? cohen says, i was hoffinger says and what, if anything, did he say to you about that other way the upstairs, meaning what's happening. we believes what what's happening putting with the family what's happening with the mrs. upstairs in trump tower? yes. >> so then cohen says don't worry, he goes he goes, how long do you think i will be on

the market for? not long hopkins your says, what did you understand that to mean? cohen says he wasn't thinking about melania. this was all about the campaign. >> this was a remarkable we'll moment. we're getting these updates from reporters inside the room. and this is one that makes you pause for a moment because it was essentially michael cohen who is very enamored by the former first lady and went to apologize directly later on at the white house, they had a lunch after he lied to her about the stormy daniels affair and the allegation and the cover up of it. >> but this moment to hear i mean, it's michael cohen's word that we're going off of. but to hear him say that donald trump was essentially saying he could get married again. so easily that it wasn't a problem if she was upset by this. i mean, that was remarkable because also we know this turned into donald trump did win the white house bill on a trump renegotiated are prenup and refuse to move to washington until it was done. and he is if you talk to people, he's terrified of melania trump's, she's the one person whose opinion he actually holds in high regard. and when she's mad at him, it really bothers him. it's why

this trial is so personal to him, because it gets him in trouble at home a lot so that was a remarkable moment to hear michael cohen shed that insight coming up. stormy daniels and the payment to her obviously, alsot the center of this trial of next an exclusive inteterview with her attorney, clark brewster. we'll be right back thinking i'm thinking about her honeymoon. about africa so far hot air balloon rides, swim with elephants, weight three, four to safari great question. >> like everything takes a little planning for what the mind towards the down payment on a ranch in montana with horses. >> let's take a look at those scenarios. >> jpmorgan wealth management has advisors and chase branches and tools like wealth plan to help keep you on track when you're planning for it all the answer is jpmorgan wealth manager. i have type two diabetes, but on managing well. >> it's little pill with the big story to tell hi jake,

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>> you have enormous putting a gun to your head, not physical violence now you thought that there would be some sort of legal repercussions if you didn't sign back as a matter of fact, the exact sentence used was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> they being i'm not exactly sure who they were. >> i believe it to be michael cohen join his now an exclusive interview, stormy daniels, attorney clark brewster. >> i want to get your impressions of michael cohen's testimony today and specifically how it statements track with things you're your client has said. do you think that they have corroborated each other? >> now it's interesting. i've been stormy, has never met michael. the first time they talked was in a podcast for cohen. but so obviously has facts that she's not privy to with regard to the negotiations behind the scenes, how the money was allocated and dealt with. but i don't think there's anything that michael cohen had knowledge of it involving stormy that was inconsistent with what she testified to, didn't start with daniel's realize at the time how big a deal this was unfolding behind the scenes. i

mean, did she know about michael cohen factor? >> i don't think she fully appreciate there's a keith davidson just handling stuff. >> yeah. keith davidson who was representing karen mcdougal well as well, and stormy was aware of that, i think at some point, but obviously the nuances of how this was going down. >> she knew was significant for the campaign and that was the pressure point basically. but i don't think she knew all of them the machinations behind the scenes how do you think she came out from her testimony i think cross-examination. yeah. i think first of all, the prosecution team has outstanding. >> we spent a lot of time with them very careful dealing with the facts and circumstances and corroboration of her testimony the defense is dealing with a very, very hard working, smart careful prosecution team, but i think stormy did a great job. >> she hadn't come face-to-face with trump since 2007. i believe until they were in that courtroom together when there were moments where trump we've found out later was actually is

attorneys being scolded by the judge. he was cursing audibly. could she hear any of that or did what did she say about what it was like to be in the room with she was pretty non plus by him. she really didn't pay much regard to him. she did hear them. the statement that he made a couple of times to some or testimony, but pretty much harder. >> i'm cursing in the courtroom. >> she heard him cursing, which she heard him responding audibly, but i don't think she that impacted or at all really trying to make her feel shamed in some way by her profession, she seemed completely unphased by that entering the courtroom saying her name was to be addressed as stormy daniel's were there moments that she had been prepared that they would attack her in that way and do you think that her response was in line with how she truly felt? i think stormy was stormy on the stand and she's genuine. she's very bright. she's quick witted and i think she came across is genuine and open and exposed as she

intended to be. and i think the jury saw that clark there was a lot of talk in testimony about stormy's finances. and one of the things in her finances is because michael avenatti filed this failed lawsuit against trump. the drudge assessed attorney's fees against her. she now owes donald trump's something like $670,000 what's going to happen is she going to pay that can she pay it? is there any way to fight it? what's going to happen in that? well, i think it's a non-issue for this trial. they try to impeach her with it, but keep in mind the story that she that she told in that courtroom at factually was before there was any judgment. the judgment was inconsequential with regard to try to impeach her testimony with regard to that judgment is patently unfair, but that's what happens in a defamation case when the slap statute is applied, the attorney's fees are almost automatic. they weren't appealed timely before i got involved the main case

was but not the attorney's fees. so we were hampered and trying to deal with that but in the nda case, which is really the subject of her testimony in the courtroom. she want across the board. we were awarded attorney's fees every step of the way. we didn't get avenue bodies billing because he wouldn't cooperate. so phi was less is about 100,000 that came off that but will fight in florida. and i think that we'll get some relief. there. >> was she aware of that? that potential that if she didn't, that was not in never explained, but i don't think it out and tell her. i don't want to speak for michael avenatti, but he never appreciated the risk of a slap defense and never really informed her of it and really exposed her. >> terrible if i i'm just curious and you feel comfortable telling us about how many times would you say stormy was prepared by the district attorney's office? >> i don't have to say about i can tell you exactly i will just tell you that they were

very diligent, very careful in their examination. wanted corroboration with everything. she told them found it. but there were a number of sessions that were lengthy and being a trial lawyer and doing a lot of criminal cases, i can tell you this prosecution team has first-rate a number is more or less than five, more or less? >> deb between the direct and the cross stormy's demeanor on the stand was different from an outsider's perspective how did she go from that first day of testimony, first day and a half, two when she knew she was going to get grilled by the defense. i mean, how did she how did she take that? what did you did you tell her anything to kinda get ready for that moment? >> sure yeah. >> we spent as you remember, we'd tuesday then there was a dark day, wednesday, we come back on thursday, but i knew her time to shine would be on cross because she's very, very quick thinker or she's very

seizes in on facts of the question and was very responsive i think the director was careful and i think the cross was right up or ally and she dealt with it well, afraid now. >> yeah. she has a lot of fear and she really does. i mean, she was concerned about the security coming into new york she wore a bulletproof vest every day close? yes. until until she got to the courthouse. i can tell you that before she came on sunday, i mean, she cried herself to sleep. i'm she was very she was paralyzed with fear, not of taking the stand are telling her story, but what might some nut might do to her. and i'm genuinely concerned about it as well. >> she had her daughter's necklace on in the courtroom. was that some kind of a good luck charm for a mom? >> yeah, it was it was a feeling that she had her daughter with her and it was really cute that she did that. the daughter made that next the defense mood for mr. allen during your client's testimony arguing they they tried to do it twice. what did you think of their argument?

>> well it really came into play with regard to the detail, some of the detail and establishing her credibility and why she did certain things. and she said i was fearful and she was told by a lawyer, you need to hide in plain sight. the story has got to be memorialized one way or the other. if something happens, they'll know who is motivated to do it. so that was that was the motivation. and i think the defense didn't like that. >> but keep in mind in the court of public opinion, trump is constantly said, she's a sleazebags. >> she's a liar. i only met her one time at a and so that that lay down those facts he thought were important enough for the court of public opinion. why wouldn't they be important enough for a jury in this case when she was on the stand, she talked about feeling like she was going to black out and you're talking to the feeling in your hands. i think she talked about her head sort of swimming. that was sort of a level of detail. she hadn't dead before, to my knowledge the prosecutor in questioning

her said, is that a recovered memory and i think she intimated that, yes, it was sort of a memory should that had come to her is that something was that something new? that you had heard before? no no. >> you're talking about the time she came out of the bathroom and he was on the bad right yeah. she's always said that the defense made a big deal about clearly it was upset by that and was accusing her of changing the story from the 2011 in touch article which stormy on the stand said that was look it's in touch magazine. you don't go into a level of detail with them. essentially that's right. and so the question is asked by the prosecution were very detailed and very delving into very specific issues and some of the gossip magazine interviews that had been done before we're just pretty superficial. but she's always said that i heard it from the first occasion i spoke with her in-depth on this matter does it matter to her if trump is convicted and if so, why she's privately to me, she

feels bad for the guy because she's just empathetic, but probably i mean, she's been so damaged by him in the statements. he's made about her that any person would feel some degree of revenge motive. so i think that should be declined the jury does the right thing and find some and conviction on the fear part. >> i mean, there was a moment where she turned to the judge because her address was on a piece of evidence that she was worried they were going to show to the courtroom and to have out there. i mean, did she concern that they do have her address? >> well honestly she's very concerned about that. and because she she lives in an area that might not have the level of security that she'd feel comfortable with. >> clark brewster. thank you for your time. thank you. return null pleasure. yeah. we were turning with one of the sketch artist who was inside courts say capturing history, her perspective on cohen's testimony in trump's demeanor. next cnn, central tomorrow

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setting the meat problem with more meat they may despise one another, but michael cohen and down from the pure to both be on their best behavior today. who knows what could happen tomorrow? cohen apparently appeared relaxed on the stand or earlier it seemed like trump tried to zen out or zone out as best he could often closing his eyes again. one of many scenes my next guest captured for us while in court today, veteran courtroom sketch artist christine cornell is with us again, tonight's so you spent the day looking at michael cohen. was there a certain detail you notice most about him while he testified well, his face is really long and thin, kind of shockingly so yeah. i mean, i think he's he's gotten smaller. >> he said recently that he's been having trouble eating. so you've hit on some things there. they lost. but first, i think sketched him when he first pleaded guilty in 2018 to a variety of federal crime i when he first pleaded not guilty oh, really? yeah. yeah. >> so did you look back at

those old sketches before to prepare for today are tiny. i go on my wall just michael cohen everywhere. >> that's that's cohen in 2018. >> yeah. yeah. he looks he looks younger. they're obviously so last time we talked you talked about how the art of a sketch artist brings a lot of humanity to cases. i'm wondering, when you heard cohen today, did you do the humanity of him come across? >> i started to think about that he was 57 years old the trump is 20 years his senior. that there must have been an incredible attraction to this mentor type, powerful guy, you know, kind of giving him, you know, the bolts of zeus. he could threaten to sue people and they knuckle real fast because of what was behind him. you know, i found it faster. >> that he used to dress like trump, that you would wear the same flat colored tie in a lot of the videos are where they're basically wearing identical black over codes. i mean, there

was clearly a lot of sort of hero worship there yeah. >> yeah. and i think that this betrayal was very, very deep. i mean, there was a time when trump actually had all of his contacts in his phone shifted into michael's phone? >> i mean, greater trust is there then his trunk change over the course of this trial in terms of how you sketch him? well, his hair isn't as golden it was very golden like two weeks ago and i was i was i was surprised. >> it's it's right now, it's down into the range of what happens. people's hair when they kind of fade a bit aside from the appearance of michael cohen becoming thinner, did you notice in terms of drawing him in 2018 till now, a change in his demeanor. >> i mean, you talked about zero versus now? >> yeah. golly, he was so much bravado in 2018. yeah. yeah. way back when and but then i also had the honor of drawing him when he was weeping and feeling very, very terribly sorry for himself as he pled guilty and saying he made

terrible mistakes you know, i was thinking today about the evolutionary thing on michael cohen. he's not evolved yet because he's still blaming trump for everything that he did. you know so that's just sure you follow the testimony today. >> i mean, when we talked about this a little bit last time, but when you are in utero, you're doing the sketch, how much you actually listening to the content. >> oh, i'm listening to everything. >> yeah. >> and that informs how you're doing it because i like more it seems like you start a sketch and you can you can erase parts of it early on and how once you started or you set with what you're doing. >> well, sometimes you might say to yourself, gee, you know he's a little more agitated than that and you want to get that across if you can. i mean, some crazy things happen with his eyebrows. one of them is just really up here and the other is really down here. >> and you can't exaggerate it, frankly, i mean, i get afraid of doing a caricature, but nope christine, you are not

sketching the jury but you're in there with the jury and you've seen a lot of juries. can you make any observations about this jury compared to others? >> they're very intent if they're very serious they they don't look at him when they walked into the courtroom you mean a look at trump? they do not look at him and is that unusual in your experience? >> i think we only really think about that stuff when you're waiting for the verdict your heart isn't your throat, and i'm like, i just hope christina going to draw me a picture that i want to keep because it's going to be a good memory, not a bad method. well you know, they they won't look at at somebody they've convicted. >> they will look at you if they if they still have a connection to you and like you so i just think this is you know, i know we've talked about how a win for trump would be a hung jury is there any he buddy

on this jury? you know, who's not who's going to think for some reason or another that this isn't something they should convict on. our cam convict on. i don't know. there were all these other characters also. >> the courthouse today. alvin bragg showed up in some of the drawings, but there were the senators as well. i mean, how did that affect the vibe in the room for you? >> well, it'll we they come in like a little power team. >> it's really like a ballet i know it all by the clicks are their heels. come in the characters that of the electronics and then here come with prosecutors and then, you know, i mean, then the front row in front of me fills up with avalon bragg and then the lawyers for whoever the witnesses day and then the prima ballerina here comes mr. trump and his entourage. >> what does he sound like? a man he's pretty quiet himself,

but the rest of them are very noise. i noticed he was quietly walked down the hall. pass me. i didn't even know he was walking past. yeah. anderson was looking at this sketch. i was watching you. i was i honestly nobody told. i was like, should leave silent. somebody there. he was christine cornell. it is great thank you. >> i'm talking to you, laura coates. will be back at 10:00 p.m. eastern or special coverage continues with michael cohen's former attorney, landing davis, who's now his legal advisor. what he has to say about today's testimony next here, you can expect to find crystal clear audio expansive space more comfort for everyone but we still left room for all the unexpected things. you'll find out. >> the new 2024 grand cherokee lineup g, there's only one it's cheap, four by four season right now, get the 2024 the grand cherokee starting at $38,290 msrp visit cheap.com for details hi, guys. >> bill. you look great. now that i have inspire, i'm free

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