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pain-free absorbing pro i'm on your rajiv and capitol hill. this is sienna welcome to the late. >> i'm jake tamper this our the wild robert f. kennedy jr. court deposition in which he claimed a worm eight part of his brain and then died inside his head what his campaign is telling cnn about this admission from the independent presidential candidate lost a group of u.s. lawmakers demanding to know why video dan
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by cnn contradicts pentagon reports about that chaotic afghanistan withdrawal and the explosion outside the kabul airport, 13 u.s. service members were killed in that blast, hundred grids are dozens at least of afghan, some of the goldstar families are now accusing the pentagon of telling lies. and leading this hour as the new york hush money cover up it's picks back up tomorrow in new york, a change in tactics from donald trump's legal team were told when it comes to adult film actress and director stormy daniels being back on the stand. let's go to cnn paul read in new york and paula, the defense cross-examination of stormy daniels, we were told it originally was expected to be fairly brief, but but sources are telling you that's changed why? >> yeah. they have a while to go at this point. and the reason they want to spend more time here is because they were surprised that in her testimony, she raised the possibility that the sexual encounter was not consensual, something that she had not previously said, though in her new documentary, she does raise this idea saying that it
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reminded her of being a young girl. she is of course a sexual abuse survivor. so they're going to take more time to go back through those statements. this is really more focused on his reputation and possible reputational damage for some of the things that she said as opposed to the nuts and bolts of the case, big picture. >> would you say that stormy or not so much? look, this case is not succeed or fail on the testimony of stormy daniels. she's a main character. no doubt, but she has no knowledge of the actual criminal charge at the heart of this case. >> which is falsifying business records. >> but what she was able to offer prosecutors was a first-hand account of exactly what happened and this alleged encounter that trump would want to suppress in october 2016 she could explain to the jury what was it that was worth $130,000 after the axis? hollywood tape,
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but before election day, another helpful thing she did for prosecutors was she to undercut a key defense argument and that is that this money was paid to protect trump's family because she said she was never asked to keep their encounter confidential. they subsequently met in multiple public places, including one time with another alleged mistress it's karen mcdougal. so she was helpful to prosecutors, but by no means, is she going to make this case? >> all right. paulo, read stick around. let's bring in cnn legal analysts, karen friedman, niccolo, and manhattan criminal defense attorney stacey schneider, stacy, are you surprised at all that the defendant is going to take some extra time with stormy daniels apparently, they're gonna go after her for even more aggressively trying to undermine and her credibility. is that the right move? do you think? >> yes, i'm not surprised at all. they're taking extra time with her on cross-examination, which resumes tomorrow because she went a little bit off the rails in her testimony, meaning that she gave a lot of details
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about the alleged sexual encounter between her and donald trump in the hotel room. and there was a ruling at the bench with the judge before that happened that she could talk about the affair, but the judge did not want to get her to get into the details of it and a couple of times during her testimony, even the judge had to say to her slowed down or answer the question you're being asked because she was expanding well beyond the scope of the initial question from the prosecutor what the defense really has to do now is sort of repair that. it's almost like reputational damage. and paula's right, this is not crucial testimony to the case whether or not they had this affair the reason why stormy daniels is introduced as a witness in this case is to show donald trump's alleged motive and intent in hoshin that story up in procuring that story, why there was value to him near the campaign time to hush up the
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story. so they're going to keep attacking her credibility and they begun doing that yesterday and when they get back on the stand tomorrow, i'm not surprised they're going to go much farther by country tenuring to hammer away at her credibility because she gave so many details, they have to sort of counter that by doing it that way. >> okay. karen, you're the former chief assistant district attorney for the manhattan de da's office. what's the goal here the defense wants to ultimately paint stormy as having made up this entire story yeah. >> i think they want to make they want to make her out to be a liar& an extortionist and an opportunist and kind of just somebody who is just looking for an she's made a career out of paint, of making money off of this encounter with donald trump and so they want to just paint her as a really deplorable person who should not be believed. and that's why i think they're gonna go after her pretty hard and they're gonna look at her prior the
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documentary she made it statements in that as well as there was an anderson cooper interview as well as a 60 minute interview. and i think they're going to go back and look at all of the those & if there's any inconsistency whatsoever, they will definitely use that to cross-examine her tomorrow. >> and paulo, we're still waiting for michael cohen, trump's former lawyer to be called as a witness. i guess the his testimony could really make or break the trial. have his past comments on this case, bin been relatively be consistent? what do we expect to hear from me on the stand as a joke he has he has absolutely not been consistent historically. >> and like i said, stormy daniels won't make a break this case. but at this point, jake and it really does look like michael cohen will be the only direct link between the defendant& this alleged conspiracy to falsify business it's records. the only other person who could speak to it as alan weisberg, he's currently the former cfo, the trump organization. he's in riker's as i am told, there's no plan to call him. michael cohen
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gaetz on stand. he's going to give the jury he's his version of events. now. he is historically an unreliable narrator. he has given slightly different stories over the year first, but he knows here lucky, he needs to, he needs to earn the trust of the jury and some folks have asked me why trump's lead leuser, todd blanche hasn't done more of the cross examinations in this case that is because he is solely focused on the cross-examination of michael cohen this is going to be really the defense's case in many ways. we're going to hear every tweet, every tiktok, every podcast. where trump, where he has said critical things of trump, where he's called for him to be jailed. this is likely going to go on for three days total with michael cohen. and what we saw with stormy daniels, but they got her to admit that she hates trump, that she'd dance if goes to jail, katara and some contradictory statements talked about are incentives related to the case. >> that was the trailer for what we're going to see with michael cohen. >> yeah. i said just for the record, ball, i said relatively consistent. i mean, i haven't seen a room full of so many
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unreliable narrators since murder on the orient express, stacy trump's defense team has asked the new york appeals court to expedite the appeal of the gag order which limits what trump can say about the witnesses in this trial. how quickly could they rule on this? do you think they might not rule quickly at all because the heart the harm is really outside the courtroom. >> the trial is proceeding despite hidden being found in violation of the gag order and the appellate court moves more quickly when the harm is morgue regis and right up front. so i'm not sure they're going to rush this issue but there was something interesting that happened yesterday really quickly about the defense team asked for a mistrial during stormy daniels testimony because she went so far afield in answering the questions with all these extra details and the defense was arguing, this is going to present judas donald trump, and judge merchan decided that what had happened
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in court was not enough to cause prejudice, at least at the trial level, and there was a limiting instruction that was given to the jury to disregard part of the testimony that wasn't crucial to what she was being asked, that was really more irrelevant and extraneous factor ax that were embarrassing to donald trump. there was a little bit of tmi yesterday, too much information coming from her testimony. so that's something that i am certain the trump team depending on what happens here. obviously, if there's a conviction that is something they are going to go to the appellate court with as something they preserve the record yeah. >> karen, to be fair to mr. trump. i mean, it wasn't just tmi although there are certainly was tmi was also the suggestion being made by stormy daniels that there was some coercion involved, not physical coercion, and she certainly said that she was it was consensual, but she started currently seem to suggest she was kind of she felt pressured and regretted it all mean look,
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those are her facts. >> she she was very clear. she never said it was not consensual. she said she didn't want to do it. it was not something she wanted to do and she just found herself doing it. i mean, that's her story. and so she gets to tell it how she wants. her credibility is an issue. they are denying that any of this happened, that they had any relationship with her. there was that famous that famous video of him being asked on air force one whether he knew her. he denied it and so he put her credibility and issues. so the prosecution is allowed to ask detail because the details are which show that whether or not someone is telling the truth and she talked about things like the furniture was heavy and they suite was bigger than my first three apartments. i mean, things like that. if she hadn't been there, she wouldn't know those types of details. so i thought it was fair game from the prosecution's standpoint to elicit that because her credibility has been an issue called into question by the defense all right.
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>> karan friedman. hello. stacy schneider and paula rio. thanks to all of you and it's court resumes tomorrow morning. keep it here on cnn for special coverage, picketing up at 9:30 a.m. eastern coming up the shady money running some of the circles of politics i'm going to speak to the authors of a brand new tell all book. but first the bizarre admission from robert f. kennedy jr. did you know that he says he wants had a worm in his head that eight part of his brain we're going to talk about that next this making you uncomfortable good when you've got type two diabetes like me, you have up to four times greater risk of stroke heart attack, or worse death even when meeting your a1c goal. >> this comfort can help you act. i'm not trying to scare you. i'm empowering you to get real with your health care provider i talk to them about lowering your risk of stroke,
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>> kennedy jr. is on a state-by-state mission to get his name on the ballot we will have ballot access by the end of july if his campaign reaches that goal, it could solidify kennedy status as a major one. wow card. >> in an november rematch between president joe biden and former president donald trump using he can win. >> absolutely. yeah, the road is wide open for a third party candidate to be successful this time around, at this point, the independent candidate has qualified for the ballot in five states. michigan, a key battleground plus california hawaii, utah, and delaware. the kennedy campaign also says it has collected enough signatures to appear on the ballot in seven additional states. including nevada, new hampshire, north carolina, and ohio and align super-pattern spent more than $2 million on collecting signatures to help kennedy gain ballot access. but has since abandoned those
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plants. deferring to the campaign. >> a kennedy campaign official tells cnn it never planned on relying on other entities for balad efforts. people on both sides are waking up and wanting an option kennedy's campaign pursuing a variety of paths as it seeks to secure valid access. >> in iowa, kennedy attempted to qualify for the ballot in a single day by holding a convention with 500 eligible voters from across the state. this is the american, i've thought we as an independent why can't we have a third choice? obtaining ballot access can be inexpensive and challenging effort, depending on the state take florida, where the campaign will need roughly 145,000 verified singer. his campaign also sending teams to college campuses in states like maryland. we're need to collect 10,000 signatures. >> i'm gonna be honest. i'm not a huge kennedy fan, but i
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think it's important to have options for third candidates, even if they're not your favorite at sets a good precedent for the future. >> in some states where it is easier to use a new political party to get on the ballot. kennedy has formed the we, the people party, while in michigan, he's running is the natural law party's candidate. i'm using valid access already one by an existing minor party in california, he gained valid access through the american independent party is process is forcing u.s the bill, our army now of early polls show kennedy making an unusually strong showing in the november general election, adding a major dose of uncertainty to how does carragher could affect the outcome of a close race between biden and trump with kennedy's prospects hinging on his valid push, many of his supporters for say they're ready for a change an attorney environmental attorney for the last 40 years so he's clearly working for the people we have
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some breaking news three now, republican congress woman margiela green of georgia, has just called for a vote rather to remove house speaker mike johnson. she is speaking on the house floor right now. it's called a motion to vacate. let's listen. first. >> 2023 speaker johnson failed to protect the republican in majority when he allowed multiple votes to remove another republican from the house of representatives it was unprecedented for a member to be removed from congress by a two-thirds vote prior to conviction of a crime to this day, the republican expelled from the house under speaker johnson has not been convicted of a crime meanwhile, a democrat now holds that seat whereas speaker johnson supported fully funding abortion, the trans agenda, the climate agenda, foreign wars and biden's border crisis rather than ensuring liberty opportunity, and security for
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all americans whereas speaker johnson relied on democrat votes on at least two occasions with the first transgression occurring on march 22, 2024 with the house passage of h reza lebanon to part two of the johnson schumer omnibus and the second transgression occurring on april 20, 2024, with house passage of hr at 35 the $61,000,000,000 ukraine funding bill on both occasions, the majority of the majority july you will suspend on both occasions the majority of the majority, 112 republicans voted against the measures, while only 101 voted in favor. whereas before kevin mccarthy was ousted as speaker our conference had passed seven appropriation bills which are
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some of the strongest conservative bills passed in decades. speaker johnson refused to continue this important process. he instead lead u.s. to another cr on january 18, 2024, and got it passed with the support of 200 democrats in the house is not in order ladies recognized and only 107 republicans why do you want while 106 republicans voted against it? whereas speaker. johnson pass a third cr. this time calling it a process cr, as if that made continuing nancy pelosi budget yet again, any different from the previous ers? whereas with little to no communication with
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our conference speaker johnson pass the first mini bus appropriations bill on mars six, and pass the second minibus appropriation bill two weeks later on march 22, whereas a two-part omnibus split into too many buses. what's crammed down our throats and passed under suspension of the roles with only one day to review it. whereas speaker johnson's omnibus did nothing to stop biden's deadly border invasion. it fully funded, it. speaker johnson did nothing to stop the energy killing green new deal climate agenda. he fully funded it. he did nothing to stop the weaponized department of justice and fbi he fully funded them. he did nothing to stop the trans agenda on kids he fully funded it. he did nothing to stop full term abortions. he fully funded them. he did nothing to stop the feeling of forever foreign
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wars he fully funded them whereas on april 18, 2024, the rules committee pass a tres 11, 60 the rule providing for consideration of the $95,000,000,000 foreign funding package by a vote of nine to three. >> okay, so we are listening, right now to congresswoman marles taylor greene from on the mega wing of the republican party make a number of allegations against the republican speaker, mike johnson. some of them are accurate, some of them resolution wildly on hinged, such as speaker johnson, fully funding late tomer abortion. and i have no idea what that's based on. >> but in any case, i know already this is a real moment in history. we'll see if margin killer green is able to get 200 and 18 votes to remove speaker johnson. i would guess not, but party i don't know as much as cnn's manu raju does,
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and he's on capitol hill. manu. i see congressman tom mass from kentucky there yeah. oh, let's listen. >> once i can, jake, we've got reaction. yeah. go go go is calling for a motion to vacate. >> lets all of u.s. in life get to decide how we handle disappointment you can be productive, or you can be destructive. ms taylor greene is choosing destructive we know that this motion is not going to do one thing to make america stronger. it's not going to do one thing to the liver. a conservative victory. it's going to seoul discord and dissent. >> and by the way, it's going to fail. >> she is engaged in a failing act of political theater. while you have here are some of the main street members who are, or who are the adults we're going to do what adults do. we're going to ignore the tantrums and instead work to actually govern this country with that, we've got the vice chair of the main streets, 70 bytes i think desi said it. >> well we've been down this road. there is no plan marjorie
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wants to sow chaos and division within the republican party someone has to govern. we have the smallest majority and history currently and this speaker has been put in an untenable situation to try to govern with a one seat majority in the house democratic controlled senate and a democratic white house we're up against a wall here and the american people are frustrated. they are angry. they have had enough. >> they want republicans to govern. >> this does not help. it's not effective. it's actually sewing. i think division within the conference. we've gotta get back on track. we understand the frustration with the border all of u.s. standing here before you realize the border is an issue, we want to solve it too, but holding government hostage is not the way to do that mr. armstrong from north dakota they're asking him possibly they refuse to vote for a rule, and which means you have to bring things to the floor without either with democratic support. >> and then when you get
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democratic support, then they get mad at you for getting democratic we all wish we could have larger conservative majority. we wish we had the senate. we wish we had the presidency. we do not have any of those things a lot of the same people that they're frustrated and dealing with all of this have had the opportunity to do these cities and move forward. and the reality of this is, this is like the congressional version of a temper tantrum and we continue to do it. we continue to move forward. and what we're really doing and what they're really allowing to happen is for the democrats to coalesce on issues that we are, that we are we are a divided on ukraine is a perfect example. i disagreed with the speaker on the ukraine vote, but the reason we don't have, we aren't allowed to bring amendments to that is because we have pumped up people in our party. that's sank the rule 55 of them, which gets u.s. to a point where we have to be where we're at. and i have probably have the longest personal relationship of mike johnson of anybody here. i served with him when i got here in congress in 2018. if mike johnson is not thoughtful well enough and not conservative enough for to be the speaker of the house. they
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have real problems because they're in anybody else that's going to be acceptable for that job. >> most of u.s. by the time we turn 12-years-old, figure out the tantrums, don't actually work. and apparently not everybody in congress has got the memo. mr. load from new york on both sides of the aisle, there are too many show ponies in an anova workhorses beside behind me are some serious members of the republican conference who came here to govern, who came here to fix issues on the border fix issues on inflation. >> we remain focused on how those issues and we will not be distracted by marjorie taylor greene and this waste of time motion to vacate that will not have the support to many members of congress are here to seek attention for themselves, not here to represent constituents and represent the country. there are serious issues that deserve the country's attention. they deserve the congress's attention. folks bought, but beside, behind me are the ones leading the charge on that i'm proud to stand with them today. >> ms dela cruz from texas look all of his here we stand behind it. >> speaker johnson nobody it not to any american wants to
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see part two of a motion to vacate. it is destructive and to america and it does not help the crisis honore border. speaker mike johnson was at our border just last week and received overwhelming support from all sides of the aisle, red, blue and in the middle, purple, i will tell you this. this is unnecessary& it is destructive to the future of the republican party. but two america thank you. >> mr. desk, pseudo, new york and then we'll have mr. lawlor and then we'll take a few questions. i think kelly said it best in that we wish we had a larger majority in the house. we wish we have the senate and we wish we had the president and the best way to get there is by being a unified republican conference and stunts like this does not unify our conference. our focus should be growing. are majority taking the senate and electing donald trump, president in
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november. that should be the focus. these tantrums, taking the country down this course again, like we saw months ago, it's not what we're going to do. it's not going to pass and after today's vote, we will continue governing the way republican should. >> mr. law, new york we're moscow, marjorie has clearly gone off the deep end. maybe the result of the space laser but this type of tantrum is absolutely unacceptable. and it does nothing to further the cause of the conservative move. the only people who have stymied our ability to govern are the very people that have pulled these types of stunts throughout the course of this congress to undermine the house republican majority. the american people gave u.s. the responsibility to serve as a check and balance on joe biden and his disastrous policies from the disastrous withdrawal in afghanistan, the russian invasion of ukraine that resulted the terrorist attack on israel because of the
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appeasement of iran, the increase in iranian petroleum sales at $8 billion. and the fiasco at our southern border that is a direct result of the policies of joe biden, the reason we don't have border security is because we have members in our conference who refused to pass a rule members in our conference who refused to sign on to a cr that had border security members in our conference who have continually undermine the speaker's ability to negotiate. that is why if they're so upset about the things that haven't happened, they should take a look in the mirror we're starting with marjorie taylor greene. >> how do you think this episode reflects on the house republican majority right now among go to constituents among voters is you ask them for, to give you the majority again? >> well, most americans are busy leading real life and i've got bad news for marjorie. people are going to pay attention to this story for about an hour and they're going to go back to real life. this is not going to make her any more famous than she is. this is not going to change the arike or the trajectory of american history. this will be a flash in a pan. she will be
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sorely disappointed. the rest of u.s are gonna get back to we're able to hold on. let's get ms bison she's got an i i think you hit the nail on the head. i mean, this is i think a distraction for all of u.s and i would go back to we've tried to be thoughtful about putting legislation forward. is it every thing that we want? no. there are certain things that we would like to see and we recognize that the border is a big issue but the strategies that are or colleagues, some of our colleagues are taking as we're going down this path or destructive, they're not helpful and they don't move u.s. forward. the countries tired of this i hear it from my constituents every time i go home, please get back to governing and that's what we're here to do can i just ask about trump has backed johnson publicly and there's been a lot of reporting that he tried to discourage her from doing this. >> can you guys talk about that at all and just where that leaves her in trump mr. miller? >> miller from ohio.
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>> well, somewhat familiar with this situation. i won't speak for president trump. what i can tell you is that i believe that this isn't the way that he wanted it to go. and i think that marjorie is going to find herself in a very lonely place and one of the biggest things that i've got weird, the biggest problem with is the disinformation that she continues to put out as a member of congress. and actually what she's doing right now on the house floor ms bias just touched on we have gotten wins for the border for the american people that nobody talks about in the last appropriations package, we added 8,000 detention beds and roughly 22,000 cvp additional officers to the border when republicans go out there and say that we haven't done anything and it's not our number one priority. they're lying only to elevate their platform. >> i think what this is is that marjorie got sick and tired people like mr.. >> gaetz talking all of the attention as he usually does and she said enough is enough. and she took the spotlight saying she was going to do the motion to vacate on ukraine. she had brought it up before ukraine had even hit the floor, which should tell you one thing, again, for the second time this failed experiment sometimes it's about members of
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congress and not about the american people. and hopefully that you all see that. and so did the american people but when they see acts like this, that marjorie is doing, but she be kicked out of the conference let's take two more and then we got to go in and do our work. >> good. yeah. did you have something similar we need the majority how make you having to do this. >> once again, talk to new yorkers and explain that, you here we are i think elections are about distinction in new york. >> that's the case, and we're happy to distinguish ourselves from marjorie taylor greene. and these antics that she's providing on the floor today, they do not represent what we feel that's why around the steps right now while she's spewing false rhetoric on the floor, we are here right now to provide a distinction that we are much different from that, we will tell folks in washington tell folks back home that this does not represent who we are? >> yes. go ahead. >> what's your advice to democrats who heard the speaker this morning say the 2020 was doubtful election and they're
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worried about non-citizens voting in 2024, less than democrats in the house. they get to make their own decision. they can vote in a way that keeps stability and predictability for this government. or they can throw u.s. into chaos. i i would hope that their decision today will be to choose stability and predictability. somebody else? >> they chose, they chose that one already. yeah, right. >> okay. we'll do one more. >> is there a motion to table expected today? >> good. that you brought today. is that going to be brought today? >> we're not in a position talking about about tactics on the record afterwards, if somebody wants to know the state of prey off the record, i'd be happy to tell them what i know. anything else on the record should you be larger telecommand should be punished. >> but one dumpster fire at a time. hi, let's take care of the motion to vacate and then we can worry about whatever comes next. thanks, everybody okay. >> one dumpster fire at a time in the infamous words of congressman dusty johnson, republican of south dakota, rule sum everything up in a second. what we think is going
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on on the floor, right now is the clerk of the house is reading marjorie taylor greene, congressman margiela greene's motion to vacate to get rid of seeker mike johnson. you just heard from eight different republics we'll look to disagree with marjorie taylor greene seven than them, i think are from the main street caucus people trying to find governance burning solution even if they are very conservative republicans, such as congressman johnson of south dakota, stephanie bias of oklahoma, killing armstrong of north dakota. and then three new york representatives. i think all of them from districts that joe biden one, and then congresswoman monica dela cruz from taxes and then you also had max miller there the end of former trump advisor turned congressman from ohio, saying that was marchal the green was not what donald trump wanted to happen. manu raju i believe what's going to happen now is that the clerk of the
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house is reading her motion to vacate. i think then what i believe what we're told is it's mr. scalia's who is a member of leadership. will ofir a motion to table, which is basically saying, get this garbage off our debt that's kia. and then there will be a roll call vote on that. and if it gets 218 votes, the motion to table, then her motion to vacate is gone. is that is that accurate? >> yeah that's correct. we do expect that to happen in this votes. there's that'll be a procedural voigt. just have to kill this effort to alice might johnson from the speakership. there's marjorie taylor greene resolution by saying motion to table that essentially kills it for good and that's what we expect to succeed. the effort to kill margiela greens motion to aus, get my johnson, meaning that this effort will essentially die because of opposition, not just from most republicans, but also democrats as well. hakeem jeffries, a democratic leader, made clear about a week ago or so ago that they would not support margiela greens effort to push out my johnson from the speakership in large part because of some of the deals that he made,
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including under $61 in aid to crane, that very same deal that got them in hot water with marles green, part of the reason why she is calling for this vote to our sum from the speakership. but this vote to kill this margiela green's resolution, it just requires a simple majority to succeed. so even if there are more than a handful of public ins, we want to keep this issue alive and tried to fluctuate, force my johnson from the speakers are there are more than enough democrats will eventually cautious altogether much different than last fall when democrats joined republican led effort by matt gaetz to push out kevin mccarthy from the speakership at that point, they did not weren't weren't able to kill the motion and they went and actually voted out mccarthy, of course, as a first time ever that happened in history that led to a per hour paralyzed house. but there's so much anger in the house right now and you can hear it on the floor of the house when margiela green went to the floor just moments ago and announced a plan to move ahead with this vote members of the house on both sides of the aisle, buddha listen devs to be
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vacant this is the unit party for the american people watching it will suspend so you can see there where the sentiment lies in the house. >> the question is going to be jake, how many republicans do join are even though she does not have the votes? succeed in this, are there more than a handful? i do. i've spoken to some who believe that they'll vote to advance this resolution because they believe it deserves a vote on its merits and up or down vote about whether to kick johnson out of the speakers. ships are some may votes to advance it. for that reason, other ones are just angry and some of my johnson decision-making, one of them congressman chip roy of texas, he is not set how we would vote on this, but he has been angry. one of the members of the hard wright, who's not like what my johnson has done a number of key issues. how does he both those will be some questions and then the ultimate rhie one big reason why johnson has tried to head this off as he does not want to show among the speakership now i, want to
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show how many republicans actually would oppose them or want him out of the speaker should, because there are more than a handful on jake, then perhaps you go start talking about him in the idea of a lame duck being a lame duck speaker and something that he's simple rhie discussion. he does not want to have at this moment as they tried to unify ahead of november. but so many questions here. jake, about about the ultimate about how many people may vote for it. but there's no question about this. this effort will fail by a bipartisan majority will kill this. i mean, opposition from not just democrats, but those angry republicans. you just heard on the steps of the house, jake. >> so there are only four more public. ins in the house, then there are democrats. i believe it's a constantly shifting number because of retirements and deaths and the like. but i believe that on a strictly party line vote, speaker johnson can only afford to lose one vote from his republicans and obviously there are two republicans. they're tom massey and march, you tailor green, who are going to vote
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and you, and you suggested that there are probably going to be others voting against the motion to table and maybe even voting to remove him and then the big question, of course, is of the 213 democrats, if that's the correct number, again, changes week by week how are they going to vote? >> my time and it's a good question because there are those members on the left, particularly more than more progressive members, who are saying that they would not support a conservative speakers and they're going to vote out. >> they would try to vote out my johnson if they could. but that is not the view of the depth i'm a critic leadership hakeem jeffries made it clear where he stands on a line. the more mainstream democrats, the people who are aligned with leadership, more moderate members are aligned with hakeem jeffries on this issue. so we expect a sizable amount. it's unclear exactly how many i would the best or maybe maybe 30 or 40 democrats who may vote to try to advance this resolution. will see they have not formally with this. i'm not firmly actually asked their
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members how they will come down. they said this is a vote of conscience as the leadership has been telling their members so they can vote however they want. but typically that's how it would go. in this case. and there's that so we expect a sizable amount of those 213 democrats, most of them a majority of them to vote to keep my johnson in the speakership. so it will her effort will fail. does have another question, jake, if this becomes an issue again, later in the car? congress, if my johnson does something to anger republicans and people like margiela green, others tried to take advantage of the situation. well, democrats changed mind at that 0.1 democratic member, primarily gi upon the leader of the congressional progressive caucus told me about a week or so ago that jeffrey's informed are on the floor. this would be essentially a one time deal to save mike johnson speakership. now, we have asked jeffrey's that himself is this a onetime deal? and he has refused to say so if this becomes an issue again, later in this congress democrats will have to reassess how they deal with that at that point. so a lot of questions down the line, but really just
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underscores the point this has been one of those chaotic and messy congresses in memory and large part because of this narrow republican majority is hard right flank, who has been angry at their leadership, kicked out one speaker in historic fashion and has been embroiled in this internal battle that has stymie their agenda led to members campaign against other members in their primaries. and now a new effort to kick off their latest house speaker. there's second of this congress. but because of this bipartisan majority, that effort will fail. jake. >> all right, manu raju on capitol hill standby breaking news, we are watching history happened. the house floor is shown right there after republican congresswoman margiela, really keen to tell are green just filed a motion to vacate to remove speaker mike johnson, who i think just empirically use the most conservative republican hold that job in the modern e.r.a. though he also has the narrowest jordy in the modern e.r.a. to remove him from the leadership position multiple republican sources telling cnn
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pro i'm natasha bertrand at the pentagon. & this is cnf welcome back. we're watching the breaking news on capitol hill right now. the house of representatives is voting to table or kill a motion by congresswoman marchal retailer agreement minutes ago, she moved for a vote to oust the speaker of the house, mike johnson has called a motion to vacate or mtv. it appears there are more than enough votes to kill her motion. there's still a minute and 20 remaining in the vote. and already she is getting slapped by 330 five members of congress, including 188 republicans at this point, and 149 democrats. those numbers keep changing. i want to bring in a republican congressman like lawler of new
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york, who joins u.s. on the phone, congressman. so this is an overwhelming rejection for marjorie taylor greene. do you think she expected something different? >> no, i think she expected this. she very clearly was told by everyone that they were going to reject the motion to vacate. but as i said, just a short while ago moscow, marjorie has lost her mind clearly the result of the space laser i mean, this whole episode, this little tantrum of hers, is absurd and it does nothing to advance the conservative movement. all it does is undermine the house republican jordy, which the american people elected for those that are complaining about the fact that we don't have border security that is a result of their inability to work as a conference, as a team
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to give the speaker the most leverage in negotiations. i want border security via voted pr her2, it's why i voted the first cr that had border security but folks like margery who refused to cooperate as a team. this is the end result. the things that they advocate for, they can advance and they try to grind everything to a halt in a temper tantrum as a result, why do you think 59 here we go. >> he's are 43 was seven answering present. the motion is adopted without objection. a motion to reconsider is laid on the table. so that is the death of martin taylor greens motion to vacation ofir by congressman see it's gullies. >> motion to table is essentially kristi noem taking a shot gun to cricket, head. it's the death of that effort. >> why do you think? think she moved for the motion to vacate now, when she's been in the middle of conversations with speaker johnson this weekend, he has been making an effort to
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talk to her for hours and hours and hours. and obviously they agree on a lot of issues just his majority is, you know, pretty slim because again, some people aren't serious about governing and actually getting things done. >> they would rather just get attention for throwing temper tantrums and acting out this is part of the problem with congress. you have members on both sides of the aisle who are more interested in conspiracy theories and crazy political games than they are in actually the hard work of governing and so it's extremely frustrating when the vast majority of those as you i don't know if the congressman was walking into a sounds like we we lost him. anyway, let's go to the panel while we wait for congressman mike lawler to join u.s. sometimes as i know, from first-hand and i'm sure everybody here can speaker. you're talking on the phone in the capital and all of a sudden
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you lose any sort of communications. matt gorman former republican, hill staffer what is this what is this mess? >> 30 minutes of chaos, if that 20 minutes what i was surprised more than anything else was after donald trump explicitly told her to not do this, it is unhelpful, not just the party, but to me she's still went ahead with it and i think that was very, very telling and i think one other part, certainly, congressman lawler, the press we had over there, don't underestimate how actively people in the house dislike each other. personally, i think that is what you're getting now as as well as the active dislike among people of different parties, same party that absolutely plays a role here too. >> so good. >> this is why, though i think that this is not purely an attention seeking exercise, right? because really she has a lot to lose. she's alienated herself from much of the conference she went again strom i think from covering grossman massey and the kentucky delegation for quite some time, i think that they think that
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they are taking a principled position and in the meantime, what they have done and i know that this was not their intention, but probably strengthened. they'll swing state democrats because you have people like congressman law lawler who can go back to his district and seem very reasonable. now, even though many of the people are posting her are extremely conservative, they can make a case to voters. look, we're nothing like marchal retailer green so one of the things that's interesting, he congressman lawler said that there are bad actors on both sides. >> glory hogs and members of congress who are democrats and republicans support conspiracy theories, et cetera, et cetera. that's all true. >> but nancy pelosi didn't have this problem. nancy pelosi didn't have jbeil bowman are cori bush or aoci or whatever like coming forward and offering motions to vacate even though they disagreed with her a ton about a lot of her decisions so i think she's an actual leader, knows how to lead her party and she's not
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she wasn't installed because they ousted somebody else their first choice who won by what, 15 volts or something and became speaker. so i just think this is again, just weakened saying that the reelection for all of these folks and it just they have a one seat majority. this is going, the democrats are going to take back the house like, why, why why would their constituents vote for them when this is what they're doing? it's complete chaos. do you think that this would help democrats make an argument? i think you could maybe make it any midterm year is a lot harder to overshadow someone like donald trump or joe biden a presidential year, i think when it comes down to it, this will play burn hot quick for a little bit. >> but when people would go into the voting booth this of drama won't play as much of an effector is abortion, immigration, economy. is that right there are we should note a whole gaggles. marjorie taylor green's colleagues on the steps. we saw them earlier, and again, just the overton window of both parties. it has really shifted. those are very
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conservative members of congress especially the dakota guys and the congresswoman from oklahoma bias. i mean, these are very conservative people they're not coming out and saying no, we want to pass a whole bunch of liberal agenda items. they're just saying we want to govern and we don't have the senate. we don't have the white house. and we have, we can only blues one member of vote and a party line vote. we have to make compromises and that's it seems it just interesting to me. >> i think it's foolish refer to put her party in this position. again, i i mean, i agree with you that it might not change in a presidential year, but the presidential campaigns makes focusing on what seven states, there's 50 states, there's a lot of other districts that can be very honorable here that the local medial be paying attention to. and this will come back to bite them. thanks everyone for being here. i appreciate it. the breaking news on capitol hill, republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene made her move, trying to kick speaker johnson from office or colleagues caught off guard by the decision to do this today, sources tells cnn the vote was not in favor of what marjorie green is attempting to do. in
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resoundingly defeat for republican congresswoman and marjorie taylor greene of georgia, just minutes after she moved for a vote to oust. how speaker mike johnson, the house of representatives overwhelmingly voted to kill her motion. did cnn's manu raju was on capitol hill manado, the numbers here for 359 votes to table the motion. and of the 43 to table it, only 11 republicans voted against tabling it. that is a very, very small group yeah, no question about and some of those did it simply for procedural reasons, not necessarily because they believe my johnson needs to be ousted from the speakership. so just a bit more to dive into those numbers, jake, you're absolutely right. 11 republicans voted to advance this measure to try to move them to an up or down vote about whether my johnson should stay in the speakership 32 democrats also voted to advance at seven members of sometimes also voted present, meaning they didn't take one position of the other, 11 republicans
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who voted against it mostly represented the hard right of the house republican conference. of course, marchal green, thomas massey, who led this effort, warren davidson, who had previously told me that he was doing this for procedural reasons, wouldn't take a break vision on the underlying issue. others as well, victoria spartz, i'm going to just wondering, indiana primary chip roy, who has been a critic of some of these deals that have been made, but did not vote the house. kevin mccarthy, two members who did those two hours? kevin mccarthy, andy biggs, you like crane of arizona? andy biggs? but both of them voigt to kick out mccarthy here, voting to advance this measure. so you're seeing jake mostly the members on the far right, but johnson surviving this and we do expect johnson to address this also, jade in a matter of minutes. >> yeah. all right. manu raju. thank you so much. breaking news. very exciting and coming up in just a few minutes, of course, we're going to have more of cnns, erin burnett, and her exclusive interview with president biden. she's going to show a brand new portion of that exclusive interview next in the situation room with fault wolf, blitzer, and then of course her full interview will hair on erin burnett