the lead on jake tapper. >> this our campus protests hitting a whole new level of columbia university with violence and vandalism and anti-israel demonstrators barricading themselves in a university building the university is warning people to stay away from campus this hour i'm going to talk with an israeli student who was just elected student body president at one columbia's undergraduate schools plus the major move coming from the biden administration, aiming to reclassify marijuana after criminalizing it for nearly 90 years. the united states not leading this our a bombshell interview from former president donald trump, just dropped in time magazine's cover story called, if he wins, it features a wide-ranging interview. we're donald trump tells the reporter and us in his own words what a second term could look like, should he win his bid to retake the white house in just a moment, the editor behind the interview joins the lead. so what is trump saying? he will do? well? >> a lot on immigration. trump

says plans are on to use the military to carry out a mass deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants. he's indicating he's willing to decide step a law that prohibits using american troops against civilians. he says, quote, while these aren't civilians these are people that aren't legally in our country. this is an invasion of our country on quo asked about the possibility of political violence. if he were to lose the election to joe biden as he did in 2020, mr. trump said he was going to win and then quote, and if we don't win, you know, it depends. it always depends on the fairness of an election on quote asked if he would fire a us attorney who refuses to follow his orders to prosecute someone he wants to prosecute. he said, quote, it depends on the situation, honestly asked if he would consider pardoning every single one of the nearly 800 rioters convicted of attacking the capitol on january 6, trump's said, i would consider that, yes. yes.

>> absolutely. >> joining me now to discuss more as massimo calabrese, the washington bureau chief for time magazine, moscow. thanks so much for joining us. so the title, the cover story is, how far trump would go andour reporter presses trump in a wide-ranging, a range of issues. he opens with this sentence. donald trump thinks is identifified a crucial mistae of his first term. >> he was too nice. what, what does that signify to you but it sets the tone for the whole piece, which is this is the same donald trump were all very familiar with but he struck eric or less are reporter. >> and all of us involved into pieces more confident that confidence i think comes from his own experience, but also from having a real plan for what he would do if he got an office and it is in some ways designed to be tougher than last time in addition to the article you published a

transcript of the interviews, a fact check for some of the claims trump made in the interview. >> it's not i've been reading time magazine since the 1970s. it's not normally how these things are done. why take these extra steps? >> well, we think the transcript is of historic significance. it was a long interview. the first two interviews really use that's right. the first interview was more than an hour in mar-a-lago, in-person. the second interview was last saturday, 20 minutes. and he gets into a lot and we think there's a fair amount that we cover in the story, but we thought but it was valuable for the transcript to be out there, for everybody to have a look. so i think a lot of people are concerned about the potential for political violence. again whether trump wins or loses, quite honestly, i did in the leadup, trump said on the subject, he thinks he's going to win and there won't be any violence. but when asked if he doesn't win, he said, as i quoted before, if we don't win depends. it always depends on the fairness of an election. i to do the things that they did the last time. i don't think there'll be able to get away with it. first of all,

fact-check. nobody got away with anything last time down trump lost fair and square. and january 6 was a horrible moment in our nation's history. but what did you make of that? answer given the fact that he is literally facing charges in georgia and in federal court for his activities on january 6, related to january sex. >> look, i think it's another opportunity for voters and readers to make a judgment for themselves about this man is as a candidate, he that kind of equivocation around very sensitive subjects is almost a trademark of donald trump as a politician. the context in which we're seeing it now is quite different the trials, as you say. but i do think it's an opportunity for people to take a look book and see how what they feel about that. >> so you're reporter asked drop about this comment. he said to sean hannity during a town hall during on fox last december, take a listen.

>> he says you're not going to be a dictator or yeah, i said no, no, no. other than day one would closing the border. and we're drilling drilling drilling after that, i'm not addicted now. it's interesting because when i heard trump's say that i thought he's goofing around. >> he likes to play with attacks on him. i'm not justifying are defending it, but i never took it seriously. but his opponents, joe biden and others have said c, c, he wants to be a dictator. he said in the interview review, no, no, no. i was just joking around. i was being sarcastic. your reporter says, don't you see why many americans see such talk of dictatorship as contrary to our most cherished principles, trump says, i think a lot of people like it. what's your take? >> i mean, i don't really have a take. i would say he he clearly wants people to think he was joking. i don't think he's necessarily wrong that people liked that kind of talk

what i like most about the piece. and this opportunity is that we got into a lot of policy steps that he says he would take that really get at the underlying question of just how strong or authoritarian president would he be. so there's a long section in the interview where eric talks to him about the ways he would exert control over the justice department doj by far has more power than any other branch of government to curtail americans freedoms. so if you want to think about whether trump has authoritarian tendencies to place for you to look is in the transcript and in the story where he talks about the ways that he would use the justice department against people he thinks should be prosecuted for, right. >> and if they don't carry out what he says, he leaves it open for. i mean, usually there is supposed to be some sort of independence. for instance, i don't think that president biden particularly likes what special counsel weiss is doing when it comes to bringing

charges against his son, hunter, but there is supposed to be a respect for the system. and donald trump clearly saying that he's leaving it open about to firing almost every president before him has recognized what the founders knew, which was a kind of a wrinkle in our system, which is the law enforcement powers with the power to arrest and detain american citizens rise up to the president, ultimately, they're in the executive branch out of tradition, presidents have tried to show deference to senate approved prosecutors to use prosecutorial deference to pursue the law safely protected from the political or personal interests of a political leader. >> trump is smashing through that when he says that he might fire prosecutors who don't go after people, he tells them to and also the reluctance to accept facts is facts apparent. he talks about surging crime rates, how horrible the crime rate isn't look any crimes horrible, but your reporter

notes that the fbi statistics shows a 13% drop in homicides in 20 2023, trump responds. the fbi gave fake numbers. i don't believe it, no, it's a lie. it's fake news. >> so interesting thing there is that those numbers are actually compiled by state and local law enforcement and then fed up into the fbi. the fbi just take some packages them so yeah, that's another example why we we had some fact check. >> and another issue of importance to a lot of people. he was asked if he's comfortable with states because he says that should be left up to the states when it comes to abortion is easy, comfortable states punishing women who violate abortion bans. he says, quote, i don't have to be comfortable, or uncomfortable. the states are going to make that decision. the states are going to have to be comfortable, uncomfortable, not me. >> so this is sort of an interesting whole subsection of the interview. there's a lot in this interview. this is obviously a very important issue in this campaign and for very important issue in america the republicans and trump in particular have a problem with abortion because a lot of

states are going beyond where the political center is on that and so he's staking out what is it a new and novel territory which is almost absolutist position on state control of abortion in the most generous view, that means blue states do what blue states do, and red states do what red states do. but we wanted to kind of pin him down on what that would mean for everyday americans. so eric rightly asked him so if a state wants to monitor women's pregnancies and then punish women who get pregnancies past the legal limit in that state. would you let that stay do that? and he said he would yeah. >> that's certainly going to be a lot of fodder for the election season. a fascinating interview. thank you so much, massimo, how the brazi really appreciated another major story we're following today, protests sweeping college campuses back on capitol hill, republican house speaker mike johnson announced a crackdown on antisemitism. take a listen anti-semitism is a virus.

>> and because the administration and woke university president's aren't stepping in we're seeing it's spread we have to act soon as mondo raja is on capitol hill for us, manu in our tuan in 2022. >> republicans marjorie taylor greene of georgia and paul gosar of arizona spoke at the white supremacist conference hosted by nick fuentes. they were condemned by house leadership at the time. that's an anti-semitic organization decline. this is an anti-semitic person. any mention of that or them in today's news conference, is it only antisemitism on the left? that's at issue here. >> yeah. there was no mention of any of the past efforts jake, in fact, there's only discussion about these campus-wide protests and what republicans plan to do about it. in fact, there's not much discussion about winning in concrete legislation that they plan to move ahead with. instead, it was more about a number of congressional committees looking into federal funding, for instance, going to a number of universities, as well as sending out letters and trying to get information about

somehow the universities are taking some action here as well as hearings that we expect with university leaders, for instance, in the house, education and work first committee, we expect a yale michigan, and ucla leaders to appear before that communities have been invited to appear. by the end of may. so this is more of an oversight effort, jake, the question is, how far do they take it if they give to go after the fact? there are funds that some of these universities do. they try to tie it, for instance, to government funding legislation to keep the government open in the fall that could set up a showdown potentially with democrats will see that it's had to go that route. the speaker did not move ahead on that aspect of it, but jake, this all comes at a key time for the speaker. he's trying to galvanize his conference behind this issue after months and months of infighting in an acrimonious, this is one in which republicans are mostly on the same page on jake manuel, house democratic leaders took an unusual step today, they announced that if needed, they would save the speakership of mike johnson, the very conservative louisiana

republican. if individuals like marjorie taylor greene and others tried to oust him how are lawmakers responding to that? >> yeah, it's mixed views here. jake, i mean, we do expect a wide number of lawmakers are probably overwhelmingly to vote to kill that effort oust mike johnson. this is much different than what happened in that historic and unprecedented ouster of kevin mccarthy last fall when all democrats voted to kick out kevin mccarthy along with eight republicans. this time we expect an overwhelming number of democrats to save mike johnson in large part because of him, his deals that he cut to keep the government open as also to provide aid to ukraine out to those same deals causing them problems with the far right. but you so a number of republicans and democrats are indicated, are indicating that they're willing to stand by the speaker even if they disagree with his past dealmaking we are passing the democratic agenda. >> each and every day that we're here now we have a slim majority in the house and it's everything's being passed

overwhelmingly with democrats support. so it makes no difference to me if it's a keen jeffries speaker or mike johnson right now, looks like it makes him weaker mics. he's under siege and a lot of different areas and i think he feels are you comfortable with democrats voting? to keep mike johnson and the speakership know i'm not why? because i came jeffrey should be the speaker and that last comment coming for progressive democrat jamaal bowman, who disagrees with hakeem jeffries approach on this end, jake martin could you tell a green plans to have a press conference tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. to announce her next steps. she can call for vote as any one member can, to seek the ouster of a speaker. so it could happen as soon as tomorrow, james. >> all right. mine arrives on capitol hill. thanks so much, so much to talk about. there. from trump's competent comments to time magazine, to speaker johnson's call on president biden to get involved in campus protests were going to get into all of it right after this what's the greatest invention of all time, new

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to oust him. but first we're going to start with that blockbuster interview with donald trump in time magazine about his plans for a second the term, let's go straight to our political panel, who's here so sarah, first of all, let me just throw it open to you. what struck you most about the time magazine interview how much donald trump talked about what he wanted to do going forward. >> i got to tell you this piece was it is terrifying, but also so important that everybody go read it because there has been so little attention paid to what donald trump says. he's going to do in his next time, there's a lot of speculation, a lot of fear about what he's gonna do. the things that were laid out in this piece show that people are right to be afraid. it's so funny the juxtaposition and by funny, i don't mean funny. ha-ha but terrifying the way that he says, well, i'm not going to be a dictator. i'm just joking. also, let me tell you how i'm going to manipulate the department of justice and fire people who don't do exactly what they what i want and put a bunch of loyalists into the into all of these civil servant offices like that is exactly what people are saying when they're talking about

dictator. and so i was impressed by how much this reporter got out of him. i think it's really important that we understand right now the trials make us focus on sort of what trump did before. and we do have to at some point really start thinking about what trump 2.0 is going to look like for this country. >> what are you i mean, i totally agree. >> i think that he just laid out the differences between him and joe biden. what they're gonna do when they go out and campaign, or when this is what he's campaigning because season trial every but it is very scary and it's fearful people should be fearful that he is going to be a dictator just like he said, he is going to do it interesting like he did leave a lot, like open in terms of like you wouldn't rule out some of the harshest things that the reporter proposed, like will you use the military to actually build camps and deport 15 to 20 million and dominic documented immigrants and send them out. >> maybe you might listen. >> i think you have to take him at his word about literally answers like literally and seriously, that was a mistake from 2016 people sort of just

that there's no way he would do that. >> the other thing that would be different in a trump presidency is that the guardrails are not there. he has completely at the top of two completely a refashion the republican party in his own image on the house side, on the senate, sayyed, that seems likely as well. and then at the state level right, what were the guard rails in 2020 when he tried to overthrow the election? it was all of these republicans, governors, and secretaries of state of it prevented that from happening. it seems like a lot of these folks in the positions now would go right along with donald trump. so there is i think an added a, fear that what he says he would want to do a witch is motivated by anger and revenge in lieu of the code and would want to put this stuff in place. >> one of the most important issues the democrats are counting on for 2024 is sorry, just a we're spending so much time today's 2015 and 2016 is two for 2024 is abortion

rights. and this reporter asked repeatedly, well, what about stick because, because he has said he thinks like florida is abortion ban is going too far, but it's all up to the states. he's decided that this is where he's going to land. it's all up to the states would you be in the reporters as or would you be comfortable with this with the state monitoring of what a woman's pregnancy and we know people talk about people who are on abortion rights, community talk about, are they really going to monitor women's menstrual cycles? is this really the big brother state's going to come in and his answer is basically it doesn't matter whether i'm comfortable with it. it's up to the states. >> is that a tenable position? will he be able to win over independents who, who might find the abortion, abortion issue a deal breaker on the pro-choice sayyed. but he's sounds like he's trying to sound reasonable might it work? okay. so here's always the thing about trump and abortion votes do not think of him like they do, like mike pence, nobody thinks that trump has any kind of sexual morality or is like, they don't think he's pro-life and that he would

really that he cares a lot about implementing these things. and so he's trying to live in that space where people, they get what they got from him in terms of the judges, but they don't think that he's gonna do any i think terrible going forward. the problem for him is that's going to work in for the leave it to the states as five for red states, we want to do things that red states want to do. blue states that want to do that. we're blue states want to do. the problem is in swing states, in purple states, which is where this race is going to be won and lost. and it's gonna be up to democrats to make sure that the salience of abortion is extremely high, right? and so in arizona, for example, right now when they repeal that law, they put in the 800s 64 law i just talked about biden a bunch of focus groups where i listened to women from arizona. they were extremely alarmed about the idea of donald trump and republicans in general. now that, that laws on the books, so that i think is how he can't have it both ways. if democrats are going to really prosecute the case on abortion and he is other than mr. mcconnell, perhaps the individuals who was the single most responsible for roe v. wade being overturned. i mean, just as a factual matter, whether you like it or not, he is the only person that is

responsible. he put those justices on the court, but also this is going to be decided by 5% of the population who's not paying attention right now. so this article will jazz up his base. it will raise him money. all the thing. but when it comes down to getting to getting votes in november, this article is going to really turn people the other way. >> and i think particularly independent women suburban college-educated women, they're not going to be like, well, i don't care about the women in men mississippi, their rights. they want, you know, sort of rights for abortion. and the idea that a president would essentially say he doesn't care about the lives of these. well in the bodies of these women's in different states, i think is pretty reprehensible to most it's women. thanks to one and all i appreciate it. >> just moments ago, new york governor kathy hochul, a democrat, said students were breached a, an academic building, your columbia university must be held accountable and israeli student who was just elected president of one of columbia's undergraduate schools is going to join me next cnn is tomorrow seven eastern why choose asleep

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going i don't my hands up. i'm not hurting them i'm not hurting them that's what they do. >> that's what they do. everybody. you guys are promoting aggression. do guys are promoting hey where do you feel like since we deserve to be there cnn has reached out to the group in question for comment or ucla spokesperson called this abhorrence hurting saying that the school has requested a law enforcement investigation. >> the school is warning any students responsible could be suspended we or expelled. and then of course, there is columbia university, the epicenter of these protests today, the administration of the university saying it will expel students, expel them, the ones who are right now illegally occupying a campus building, anti-israel protesters early this morning took over hamilton hall. they smashed the windows on the front door. they secured a chain around it. they are preventing authorities from entering all of this after columbia yesterday gave protesters an ultimatum, leave the encampment on the west

lawn, or face suspension new york police officials estimate there are about 200 to 300 demonstrators at the encampment and in hamilton hall all the nypd does not plan on going into columbia university in less the school administration explicitly requests it. i wanted to bring in my plot tech right now this week my became president elect of the student body of the columbia school of general studies. that's one of columbia's for undergraduate colleges. and has been spoken against columbia students and faculty discriminating against jews. maya, congratulations on your election for those of people who don't know the school of general studies was created for returning and non-traditional students it makes up about a quarter of the undergraduate student body you one, at a time when israel and jews are not necessarily having such a great time on the columbia campus, israelis and jews, what do you make of your election during this moment?

>> i mean, i think firstly, my election doesn't actually have that much to do with my nationality. i think a lot of people really resonated with my platform where i really encourage development of dialogue and unity on campus. i think a lot of people are looking for real solution and i'm hoping that i will be able to help bring them to light next year when i'm officially take over as president. >> so the administration of columbia is saying that students who took over hamilton hall are going to be expelled. you could argue that that group will have less to lose. so far, columbia is not made any official request for nypd assistant dence, new york city mayor eric adams says he's going to meet with the leaders of your university, determine next steps. what's your message to him and enter administration of columbia? what should they do about this? the students in that academic building right now in general,

i think that columbia must find a solution that encourages dialogue across campus. >> i'm not sure what i would have done had i been in colombia shoes this morning but this solution which effectively cuts campus off for the vast majority of students because now most students are unable to attend campus. they are unable to eat, they're unable to attend the buildings that we paid for or learn effectively is not a long-term solution, especially when added poor columbia is an institution for learning. this is now impeding on every single student's experiences at the greatest degree rather, i think going forward, especially into the next year, columbia must pursue communication dialogue, as well as help build communication that in gross is multiple perspectives. and it's academic departments, which up until this point has been unfortunately shun to the greatest degree with anti communication becoming the standardized form across student group and our leaders and our faculty, columbia started communication too late, which is unfortunately escalated the situation to this

degree. and i think it must do whatever it can to de-escalate tensions on campus. moreover, i do want to emphasize the columbia does have a responsibility to ensure the safety of its students on campus so you must do whatever it sees in line with its protocol and its rules to ensure that every student is not at risk of being verbally or physically harassed, which we have unfortunately seen in a lot of incidents over the last few weeks. >> so i recognize that you're the president elect of the school of general studies. so so you're, you're speaking on behalf and quite eloquently, i might say you sound like a member of congress, but let me just ask you, as a presumably jewish student, because you're israeli have you felt unsafe on campus? have you felt unwelcome on campus? >> so even though over the last few weeks, i had actually been going to all of my classes. i would not say that i have been feeling the most comfortable. i will say that i as every other student on campus, has a right to be on this campus. and many

of us refused to be bullied off of campus over our nationality or religion, or race so columbia protesters among them, there are many demands. >> one of them is four columbia to cut ties with columbia center in tel aviv and a dual degree program with columbia. and tel aviv university. i think that that is part of the general studies school cool, but i might i might be mistaken you say this is all happening without any opportunity for students to even debate are express concerns or have any sort of discussion about that i, mean what do you even favor having a dialogue on this on this topic or do you think it's just anti-semitism, anti israeli behavior to begin with. >> so, that was specifically in reference to a student council meeting, which is specifically blocking students from being able to express their perspectives on this specific issue and having a vote on

whether israel columbia should divest from israel and get rid of this dual degree. and the global center which i think is completely atrocious. however, i do think that though every student is allowed to protest when the demands are quite literally to demand the removal of a subset of columbia students columbia must ensure that all since are protected ultimately, columbia must find other avenues to ensure the safety of all students. >> all right. my applied torque. thank you so much. congratulations on your on your election. my best friend from high school as a was a general studies a graduate josh. anyway, i'm sure if he's watching right now, he's proud of you. thanks so much for joining us. a major announcement pending from the biden administration marijuana is about to be reclassified. the shift coming up your years of advocates trying to get the laws changed and happening notably, coincidentally, in an election year that's next

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reclassify marijuana from a class one drug along with cocaine and heroin and the like to a class three. the decision to move marijuana out of the same class as drugs such as heroin and bath salts will bring huge implications for research on the potential medical benefits of marijuana. huge impact on criminal justice, huge impact on federal banking regulations and the us as it's already a multi-billion-dollar industry. cnn's kayla tausche is at the white house for us kayla layout, how this reclassification will work? >> well, essentially, jake is the latest step in a multi-year process that president biden initiated in the fall of 2022 when he instructed the departments of health and human and services and the justice department to begin a review of whether this rescheduling should happen, whether marijuana should be classified, as you said, with cocaine and heroin or with the likes of tylenol to study the health

benefits of that in an august of 2023, hhs did tell doj and specifically the drug enforcement agency that had found that there were medical benefits since then doj has been preparing a draft rule on this, and i'm told by a source familiar with the matter has submitted that to the office of management and budget today to begin a regulatory review process. so yes, this is a major movement. it will bring major shifts to how the drug is classified, how these criminal offenses are treated, which president biden has twice now been pardoning these simple offenses but it is still going to take months for it to take effect. jake so kayla, as of 2023, gallup polling shows half of the american people have tried marijuana. >> weed, grass, cannabis pot, whatever the kids call it these days, it is worth noting. >> i know that i'm skeptical

by nature. >> it is worth noting that we are in a presidential election year. the legalization of marijuana is popular among you young voters and this announcement is coming you know, as, as president biden is in trouble right now, according to polls, especially with young voters, am i, am i too cynical? >> two to be looking at the polling numbers when i look at this decision, well, jake, personally, i appreciate that you're asking me for the views of the kids, even though i'm a few years outside of that age bracket, but it's true that this does not necessarily a mobilizing issue for the 18 to 34 year-old voters, but it is widely popular. >> the legalization of marijuana, 70% sen. support at 79% within that age bracket. and it should be noted that president biden campaign on this in 2020. so he'll be able to go back and say, i said i would do it and i did but not just biden jake. it would also be something that hhs secretary javier becerra could talk about

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my body around. >> i fear that more than been killed i was chained for three weeks in gaza. >> i was kept in a really dark room without being able to move. his name was mukoma. >> he untied me. >> i knew that is up to something i knew that something bad is going to happen. now remember thinking, how can i avoid that there's nothing i can do the documentary screens before silence has now posted on youtube. and while hard to watch at times it is, of course, important viewing to ensure that these atrocities are acknowledged by the world and sheryl sandberg joins me now, cheryl, thanks for joining us. so as you have now completed this powerful documentary, what stands out to you the most in terms of what the world may still not understand about how hamas used sexual violence on october 7 and since while filming, this

was an amazing experience and emotional experience. and i think the world has not yet fully come to terms with the systematic sexual violence of hamas by hamas on october 7. >> because i think if they had, there would be outraged and right now, there's a little bit about rage, but a lot of ignoring and even worse, some denial in this documentary, anyone can hear firsthand from released hostages who were someone assaulted herself sexually assaulted herself but also first responders who saw with their own eyes absolutely horrific violence. >> i think we can't deny what happened. we can't ignore what happened. and this gives people a chance to hear it for themselves. >> how are the women within these folks? how are they doing? how are they trying to start to heal i sat across from a yellen, who is the mother of

naama. >> she's a young girl who was taken into captivity to video went very viral. so a lot of people have seen it, but she's barefoot, she's wearing gray sweatpants. there's looks like what appears to be blood in the crotch of her sweatpants. she's being dragged by her hair her mom's not doable because she's still in captivity right now as you and i do this interview, your mic. >> i have daughters their home. >> you have children their home. can you imagine? >> what it would be like to have a daughter in captivity or sun amit soussana. >> she's the first released hostage to have been sexually assaulted herself, and she's still alive. she spoke out, she gave her only a video interview for this documentary she's trying to heal, but she is speaking out for one reason, which is she knows there are still hostages in captivity, and she wants them released because she experienced herself

renal sexual assault, and she knows it's still happening. >> what impact do you hope this documentary might have these are such political times and such polarized times. >> and there are very valid views on all sides of this issue. but there is there are not two sides to this issue. this is sexual violence and we have worked long and hard to be united on this. the left, the right all the people protesting. they can protest whatever they want, but they should also be protesting the sexual violence. and i'm hoping that when people can hear first and in this documentary from witnesses, from first responders, from people heroes who walked into fields trying to save people and i stood in a field with this amazing man romney and he showed me trees and he said crying there were naked women tied to these trees, bloodied leg spread crying that he didn't get there early enough

to save them. i hope when people see this, they will stop denying this happened or stop ignoring this happened and put some of that moral energy and some of that outrage to this issue as well well, let's talk about the divisions and the protests were seeing especially on college campuses across the us obviously there are not just american jews, but israelis who don't approve of what prime minister netanyahu was doing in gaza, want the war to end, won maybe a ceasefire with the hostages returned. >> and so on. but in addition to those voices, we've also been hearing clearly anti-semitic expressions and seeing anti-semitic signs you talk about how there should be some of the protestors should also be talking about what happened to these women. and of course, i agree with you, but they're not they're not an in fact some of the protestors are calling for more violence

against israelis, against jews. some of them are harassing american jews who have nothing to do with israel or what prime minister netanyahu is doing in gaza? >> you're exactly right. and i think this is a very critical moment in time. a friend of mine, her family fluid in new york kid got into a lift this week, new york city, a five-year-old kids started singing a keeper song for passover and lyft driver told them to get out that he wouldn't serve as on columbia's campus. >> i look, i'm for protests. i think college campuses should be a place where anyone can express a view and have an honest and civil and peaceful conversation. i believe his fault protests. >> our country was founded on it but when you have people screaming at other students who are jewish go back to poland. >> when you have people screaming october 7 is going to

happen to you over and over again that is where this movement is turning violent. someone was hurt, people are being hurt on college campuses. there have been threats, 600 bomb threats, or more against synagogues and community centers since october 7 this is not peaceful protest, and this is not okay. we cannot tolerate this as a society. >> what, what do you think could be done to stop this to ease the tensions, to bridge the divides well, i think we're at a place right now where we first need to establish security so college campuses, again or places there should be open debate, but those campuses have rules. those are the private property. there are rules for behavior that keep the community safe. ending need to be enforced. >> cities, when there are hate crimes when there is a crime against someone based on their identity that is a hate crime those crimes need to be

prosecuted and when we need to create space for open dialogue, where people are peacefully and calmly expressing points of view that are peaceful. >> same october 7 is going to happen to you over and over again. that is not a productive conversation. saying we need a solution geopolitical solution for a region that has been so troubled for so long with two states living in peace, that is the conversation we should be having and how we're going to get there sheryl sandberg. >> thank you so much. appreciate your time thank you for having me the unimaginable amount of deadly firepower used in a shooting that killed for law enforcement officers in north carolina who were simply trying to do their job that's next with cargo ruse, filter millions of listings to land the perfect deal only you could do things your way all the time

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