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got free shipping in the united states dates plus 30 money-back guarantee. >> i'm jeremy diamond in tel aviv, and this is cnn cnn breaking news hello. and welcome. i'm jim sciutto in new york and i, michael holmes in atlanta we are following breaking news this hour. us official confirms to see an end that israel has carried out a military strike inside iran. the country's semi-official fars news reports, three explosion regions near an army base in the province of isfahan. & iranian cyberspace official says its air defenses successfully shot down three drones. the country has now reopened its airspace after suspending flights to and from major cities. israel has been vowing to retaliate since iran launched that barrage of drones and missiles against israel. this past weekend live now to
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jerusalem cnn's nic robertson, nick, we find ourselves caught in something of an escalation back and between each of the countries here and unprecedented iranian attack on israeli territory. and now and israeli attack on iranian territory indeed, and end it appears that this early stage, that it was a limited action by israel into iran overnight. >> and we don't really have the full scope of it. we haven't heard in detail from israeli officials about what they believe was comprised of in the attack. what we understand from the is that they switched on the air defenses in the early hours of the morning because they had some suspicious activity. they also shut down their airspace, shut down the main airport in tehran, and it's mohan and then shiraz, major cities and put a no fly zone in effect,
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essentially in the whole of the west of the country which is the direction of course, that israeli fighter jets would come in if they were flying from israel towards iran, bird with heard from the iranian saying that actually no aircraft came into their airspace and what they're reporting about, what happened around s for khan there were three drones in that area that one point the reports were that one of them had come down near an army base perhaps blown out some windows of some offices. there were reports that it could have been a radar base but iranian state media is now characterizing this the sounds of explosions that people reported that they've heard as actually the air defense systems firing off a suspicious objects. so the iranian state media ria is playing this as not the sound of drones or missiles impact in
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exploding, but actually their defense systems. and there were similar reports in at least one other town in iran. and local media in iran at the moment have been carried terrorizing these drones that the iranian state media we're talking about a quadcopter. so really playing them down and minimizing what may or may not have happened. again, we don't have independent verification on this of what happened on the ground. we haven't seen satellite imagery of what happened on the ground and we don't have israel's session of what they believe happened in iran overnight. i have however, towards with a regional intelligence source who tells me his first reading and his understanding of the situation right now is that this for tat is over this is small and that therefore we're unlikely to see an iranian
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response. of course situation may change. that could all change, but that's the early read and it does seem to comport with a picture that's being painted by iranian media who we did at the iranian foreign minister on cnn last evening, promising an iranian response to any israeli attack on brands are so i suppose we'll see in the coming hours and days, nick, are israeli officials commenting at all on what their intention was with this strike so far, no, we know that they were under a lot of pressure from the white house to keep a narrow scale hello, and a narrow focus not to escalate tensions in the region if we are what we understand has happened is an accurate reflection of what has happened then it does appear that they have compared to the type of strike that israel could have
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could have put on iran. >> this was much smaller, much smaller version of what, of what, of what could have happened, particularly when you compare to the massive onslaught of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and drones, three and then 50 of them. but it will fight at israel by iran over the weekend and this appears so in a way smaller response specific details not forthcoming yet hello of course, i suppose one, one person's limited strike it. could be another's provocation, seen as nic robertson interest on thanks so much for joining us now from washington let's marquardt al-aqsa. >> i wonder how us officials are describing this. if they also describe it as limited, i imagine there's no official comment on that, but what are us officials telling you? >> well and we. should also raise the possibility that this is not the end of it that israel could certainly do more in the coming days. but jim, you're absolutely right. i mean, there being extremely tight lips. we haven't heard anything public from any biden
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administration official or the idf of 40 for that matter. so i spoke with a us official earlier this evening who did confirm that this was the israeli response to that iranian unprecedented historic attack last weekend with more than 300 drones ballistic and cruise missiles. a second senior, senior us official told me that this was actually warned to the biden administration earlier today. there were two sets, jim of high level of conversations on thursday. one was between the two countries defense minister, yoav gallant and lloyd austin. the second was actually ostensibly about a conversation about rafah with the national security adviser, jake sullivan and senior israeli officials so in those in that communication to the biden ministration they were told that there was an attack coming and that it could happen in the coming days and it came really quite quickly. the other thing, jim, that we'd been told throughout the
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course of the week and anticipate patient of this attack tonight, is that it would be limited in scope. one official telling cnn that it could look something like a visible kinetic attack against a military target, which is what appears to have have happened. and in trying to figure out what what, what what happens tonight when you hear that this was that this took place around the city of isfahan. one of the biggest cities in iran and in central western iran, there is a major nuclear facility there. and so one of the big questions we had was was that nuclear facility targeted, of course, israel has long accused iran of trying to develop a nuclear weapon that it could use against israel and i was told by a us official that the nuclear facility was not the target. in fact, in leading up to tonight's strike, the us had been given assurances that that limited scope did not include nuclear or civilian targets. so jim, it is clear to me in speaking with us officials they are not necessarily happy with what
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israel ended up doing tonight. one official telling me we did not green light this, we did not endorse this, but clearly israel felt the need to try to reestablish deterrence go after iran again for that attack last weekend. very interesting what nick was just saying there about iran downplaying what what happened tonight, perhaps that's around looking for a way out and not having to retaliate because as you were just saying, we heard from the foreign minister right here on cnn, just couple of hours ago talking about an immediate and a maximum response fonts to israel if they decided to attack. and now they have jim. >> and of course how iran has its own decision to make. alex marquardt in washington. thanks so much. joining me now from los angeles is retired us army major general mark. the curly and mark in the military, you study these situations where you have rounds of escalation, one side fires at one if we look at this latest round, that was the israeli attack inside
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them blazquez, that killed a number of iranian officials around responded with an unprecedented attack on israeli territory. and now we have an israeli attack on iranian territory. what? >> i mean, how do you get out of that cycle, right? is the first question if, if you're in the situation room right now what advice are you giving to us leaders as they communicate? then to their israeli counterparts? >> i think the most important thing for us leaders to do is to gather sufficient intelligence and information concerning what essentially has happened on the ground. as i was listening to you, i said to myself, it's not quite time to unbutton my collar and saying that this whole matter is over because there is at least at this moment, of hesitation or a decision made by the iranians not to counter attack. but i'm not so sure that we should jump
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to that conclusion instantaneously. as we all know. >> the rule of the jungle in that part of the world is if struck you strike back. >> it's all about retaliation in order to show force and to maintain credibility so maybe we have breathing space at this particular point in time. we can take advantage of that. but certainly from the israeli perspective, israel must maintain its vigilance and perhaps this thing will dissipate. but i have my doubts let me ask you a question just from a purely tactical perspective here. if these missiles iran right now is saying drones penetrated this deep into iranian territory. what would that tell you about iranian missile defenses? because there were questions raised about iranian offensive missile and drone capability
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following that attack over the weekend in which 99%, the vast majority were shot down by a combination, not just of israeli defenses, but the us participated, france, the uk, as well as error partners. what would this tell you if israel was able to strike this deep even in a limited fashion inside iranian territory just suggest to me that the iranians do not have the state of state of the art missile defense, air defense systems that israel has. >> a lot of ways pioneered with our assistance so if the iranians are defending with limited battery use of s3, hundreds from russia those appear not to have been effective with respect to this, a drone attack assuming we just don't know enough, we don't know the number of a legend drones that perhaps were sent over by israel once that information becomes clear, then
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we'll do sort of a battle damage assessment and a capability assessment. and that will give us, and certainly it will give the israelis a deeper understanding of the effectiveness of the total iranian air defense system is it possible? >> and i suppose i'm asking you to speculate here as a military man that a limited strike that. still penetrates iranian air defense systems and notably in and around isfahan, which is the location of many of iran's nuclear sites. though they do not appear to have been struck.& attack, but that the limited strike here, that penetrates those air defenses was perhaps part of the message. in other words, we can get through i would absolutely incorporate that statement as true. i think that there was a very deliberate deliberate, thought process on the part of the israeli war cabinet israeli is had to
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retaliate. but at the same time, within that retaliation is a message was a message that is, yes, we can get through. don't do it again if you do it again, then all heck, we'll break out i feel like that's a statement we've heard repeatedly in both directions in recent days and weeks retired us army major general martin claire mccarthy. thanks so much thank you and we will have more on a breaking news coverage of the israeli strikes against iran. and just head insight from an expert on counterterrorism, please do stay with us blue carbon. >> plus cnn filled sunday so my daughter tells us you're in television. >> you could say streaming data and you are $40 a month for live sports, news and entertainment slings question the gantz. please.
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better all right. >> let's have a quick recap of the apparent israeli strikes on iran israel's military refusing to comment hours after iranian media reported three explosions in the isfahan problems, a us official confirming to cnn that israel launched attacks, but said nucleophilic still have these were not the target. and iranian news agency says the explosions happen near an army base where fighter jets are stationed. but the report also says the target could have been a nearby military radar. iranian media says the nuclear facilities in the region are quote completely secure, citing a reliance source. now, just a few hours before we started hearing these reports. so explosions in iran, that country's top diplomat warned of a decisive response to any israeli military actions iran's foreign minister delivering that message to members of the united nations security council. and in an
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exclusive interview with cnn's erin burnett, the diplomat describing saturday's drone and missile strikes on israel as defensive countermeasures. but he says iran is capable of much more parcel same mob our response tuesday israeli regime was at limited in that hollywood and have on this theme stayed within a minimum of frameworks. >> whereas we could have given much harsher response to the israeli regime, puff of following that, we announced that this response is within the framework of legitimate defense according to international law we will not continue. however, in case that ambassador israeli regime for bit hard. >> but dom embarks on
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adventurism again takes action against hence the interests of iran. then next response from us will be immediate and at a maximum level it will be decisive do seven foreign ministers will be meeting again in the coming hours to discuss the back-and-forth between israel and iran. >> already, the us and the uk are slapping new sanctions on tehran. the us targeting iran's drone program bouquet hitting iran's military leaders and institutions. eu foreign policy, chief josep borrell urge caution on israel's part we have to ask you just for restraint. >> answer to the iranian attack. we cannot escalate. you cannot go step are you step answering every time. >> higher to a regional war. >> i don't want to judge rate, but we are on the hedge what a
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wall at original war in the middle east which will be sending shockwaves to the rest of the world. and in particular to europe and we're joined now from television by mary ice and the managing director of the international institute for counterterrorism and a colonel in the idf reserves as well nic robertson is been reporting that the tensions may even lesson now that points have been made and it appears officially that israel's strike was indeed measured. >> what, what's your read on what we know when we look at israel's alleged response. >> because in this case, look at the difference. israel did not say what we have done. the idf has not given any kind of response. and on saturday and at this case and this arena, it was early sunday morning, iran at the same time that they openly attacked israel. they started the same information war that i was just hearing right now from the continuation
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of the iranian foreign minister, he just threatened israel. did i just hear him say live on cnn that they would do a decisive so strike. what does that mean? what iran says a decisive strike against israel in this case, what they're talking about is a kind of strike against an air force space. what iran did openly was attacked and israeli air force base so in that case, i could say if it is us, it is measured. there's very great importance here to the additional information warfare that's going on to me. that's the main arena if, as it does appear, israel has struck targets within iran that clearly shows a problem with iran's air defenses a vulnerability, if you like is that you're raid does israel militarily learned something from this michael, i'm all about words and i'm going to say iran vulnerable. iran is
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the de-stabilizing factor throughout the middle east. all of the region is trying to make sure, as i've been reading and all of the headlines, not to poke the hornets so what are we supposed to be doing talking about vulnerable iran, iran talk about their eggs, or doesn't show that their air defenses are vulnerable. that that was the question. >> all right. so in this case, i would say that iran wants to be in a war that is not done on iranian territory. if iran does not know how to defend itself when it is the one that is exported, all of the different capabilities throughout the middle east iran should look at itself and as a country 90 million strong that is trying to get to nuclear capabilities they should know how to take care of themselves and the world should know how to isolate them one, one presumes that even if this round of for tat stops with this, the actual simmering conflict between israel and iran or its proxies we'll continue. >> would you agree with that i
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definitely think that we have been out war. >> that's my own take. iran against us for many years. most of the time it's something that you would call a covert war as opposed to over, like we saw early sunday morning. and in that sense, i think that what we need to be looking is that iran and end to tweet out what the foreign minister said, what the supreme leader says, because when they say decisive, the supreme leader calls israel the cancerous tumor of the world. if that's what they're saying about israel and they talk about decisive, we all should take note, iran is the destabilizer it is a regime that everybody should be isolating as the world is trying to do right now israeli, of course, continuing to fight in rafah, it's in gaza, it is preparing to move into rafah. it's fighting on its northern border with hezbollah in lebanon. and now they're sort of direct involvement with iran i'm cross-border. how difficult is it to fight on so
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many france be spread out like that militarily i'm sitting right now my house and tel aviv, it's a friday, which is the early de in israel. >> and most people around the world don't understand that here in tel aviv, we're not a war zone, but we're all at war. we still have oh an immense amount of reserve troops that are called up on monday night. it's the passover seder that's a very big holiday, jewish holiday, family holiday. so what we're saying right now is something that impacts us both domestically and regionally. and what i want to call clearly is that this is not about israel against, it's a about the difference iranian lead in this case voices that call for our destruction, call for our annihilation, and don't believe me go into their websites, into their tweets, their telegram channels, and see what they have to say about israel right now, we are definitely in a multi-front war and we should not he's standing alone about this very eisen appreciate you
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making the time. thanks so much thank you. >> that we should all be safe while reports of explosions in iran sent oil prices surging nearly 4%. >> us oil prices climbing above $85 a barrel whole lab. you can see now they, they've come down under that 4% that they were just under 2% up for brent crude wti crude up over two keep an eye on that as the day progresses. meanwhile, the news drove us, us stock futures lower with the dow futures thinking 480 points earlier, dow futures currently at, and you can see they're three quarters or so of a percentage point down. the nasdaq down nearly 1% and the s&p futures down just over three quarters of 1%. and again, we'll see how that goes when the markets open and we get more clarity on what this attack has actually been.
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this israeli attack inside iran meanwhile, still to come on the program, those explosions and possible scenarios as to what could happen next. >> we'll have a live report from the region anderson, cooper 360 tomorrow at eight on cnn when a jinx came out, i thought, oh, my god on bob has a friend expects blind loyalty. turns out, when you have a whole lot of money people are willing to do things for you what do you do when your best friend kills your other best friend ravid surprises and supplies the jinx part two streaming exclusively on macs university of maryland global campus is a school for real life, one that values as successes you've already achieved, earn up to 90 undergraduate credits for relevant experience, and get the support you need from your
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i'm allowed explosion could be heard near the city of isfahan& central part of the country. they say it was caused by quote, air defense firing at a suspicious object is unclear at this point what that object was, but and iranian military official reportedly said there was no damage from the strike now earlier, iran's fars news agency said the explosions were heard near an army base and it's for province, where fighter jets are located that caused flights to be suspended at several iranian airports. >> but we're hearing tehran's two major airports have since reopen let's go now to beirut, where cnn's paula hancocks is and paula there's been enormous concern in the region about an expansion of the war that's already been going on for for some months. >> in gaza. we've had these strikes traded between israel and iran. now, what is the level of fear there now that this is apparent, israeli strike retaliation once again
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against iran could lead to something bigger that is, the concern certainly here in beirut and elsewhere in the region as well. >> the fact that this response was expected despite the us and other allies that had helped in the defensive is drill against those last weekend attacks by iran despite the fact they were all asking, but the best to be put to rest for israel not to respond to de-escalate the situation there was an expectation that israel would not listen to that, that they would go ahead and carry out some kind of strike against the ron. now of course, it's difficult to speculate how great the concern should be of a wider regional conflict before we know exactly what was targeted, exactly potentially what was hit, we do know that a radian state media and semi official state media is
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appearing to downplay what happened in the early hours this morning, saying that there is no damage, saying they had not been a ground explosion at this point. but of course there is a concern that this retaliation from iran could materialize. we have heard certainly publicly, very publicly over recent days. from the iranian foreign minister on our air, just a few hours ago from the president saying that if israel does strike iranian assets and there would be a greater response than what we saw last weekend against israel. now of course, some of this may be posturing some of this may be a verbal threat, even for domestic consumption. but it does raise concerns that there could be some kind of response. and remember that that iran last weekend said it was responding to israel at the
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beginning of this month, striking a diplomatic compound in damascus so that in itself was retaliation. and iran said that they believe the matter was concluded, that it had finished, and they had responded and they were trying to draw a line and der it israel did not see it that way, given the unprecedented it didn't nature of the drone and missile attack and did feel that it had to give some kind of response of course the question now is what's the target? of israel's strike something that ron can live with. is it something that tehran can put to rest now and not feel the need to retaliate and of course, it's not just the direct retaliation that we're looking for from iran. there are many proxies in the region here in lebanon, of course, hezbollah, iranian back could carry out further strikes against israel. we have seen an uptick in those cross-border strikes just this week alone, gym and there has been repeated
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in this reading between the two sides of each other's intentions, their limits, et cetera, and that of course is the concern throughout paula hancocks in beirut thanks so much. >> and michael, back to you jim. >> thank let's get some more analysis on the situation in iran. hassan al-hasan is a senior fellow for middle east policy at the international institute for strategic studies. he joins me now via skype from maluma in bath, rain, and thanks for doing so. >> i guess it massively significant that iran took action with its measles directly at israeli territory, not through proxies even if this israeli attack turns out to be limited in many ways, how significant is it that israel hit iranian territory directly? it certainly feels like a lot of red lines been crossed yes, we do seem to be in an action reaction counteraction dynamic here. >> but at this stage, there is obviously much that we don't know. we don't know what the
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intended targets of israel's latest strikes on iran where are we don't know the scale of that attack or the nature of the military tools and instruments that were used to achieve it. but i think the tentative conclusions that we can draw from the limited reports coming out of iranian state media. and some of the footage circulating online that reportedly shows iranian air defenses intercepting some of these missiles perhaps, and others perhaps landing somewhat successfully. it seems as though israel has opted for a less than proportionate response to iran's attack last weekend, heeding the uss cole, not to further escalate the situation in a very significant way. >> yeah. i guess it remains though that it's retaliation and then to and now it's more retaliation how concerned is
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the region that if not now, but at some 0.1 retaliation goes too far and that long feared regional war actually does happen indeed, the chance for error miscalculation, catastrophic success, even as always on the horizon. it's going to defend i think looking forward as to how iran decides to respond to this latest israeli attack. so from the iranian perspective israel began this latest drown by striking its consulate in damascus. iran responded and attend and attempted ready to draw a line under that, but for them, again, it's a question of how do you respond to this latest attack. so either iran brushes it off and suggests that this was a failed attack that iran intercepted many of the incoming missile strikes. and this would be supported by some of the footage and the way iranian state media has been reporting about this clearly trying to downplay it or iran could perceive this as a yet
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another very significant provocation and seek to respond in a muscular way along the lines that it's officials have been warning over the past week. >> i'm curious if iran does choose to put a lid on this for the moment and doesn't respond militarily. what, what, what else might it do? i mean, good, it perhaps ramp-up uranium enrichment to bomb grade levels. is that an area of leverage for a run? >> so one thing we could see is a dynamic of less than proportionate responses. so israel's attack on iran was arguably less than proportionate by comparison to iran's attack last weekend. and we could see iran respond in a similar way. and the less than proportionate way. and eventually this fizzles out. we could also see horizontal escalation along the lines. you just mentioned, meaning that iran tries to use other tools such as seizing more ships to the strait of hormuz, for example, as it did last weekend. or tried to save a rattle with its nuclear program
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in order to signal its displeasure and obviously try and restore some of that the term equilibrium. so iran has several tools at its disposal and it's obviously very difficult to predict at this stage which ones it's going to use. >> one presumes that even if this round of for tat does stop with this, they actual conflict, this simmering conflict in the sense of israel and iranian proxies. that's not going to stop. would you agree with that? >> i agree because it's ultimately linked to the dynamics in gaza and as a matter of fact, if anything, we're poised to see an escalation and israeli activity there with what seems to be israeli preparation to launch a larger assault on rafah. and so i think that ultimately so long as we don't see a ceasefire in gaza, and so long as we don't see israel compliant with the un council resolution, then the
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broader escalation, the broader regional spillover isn't going to stop anytime so israel's obviously a sovereign nation and they can do what they like, but it's been interesting over the months, over the last six, seven months, perhaps longer when the us tries to urge either restraint or do ask israel to not do something, be it. in gaza are be it this situation which by all accounts the us asks israel not to do this i'm israel does it anyway. do you get a sense that israel is not listening to the us anymore what, what, what does it say about us efforts to dissuade israel? >> so israel is a sovereign nation, but like any other sovereign nation, it's bound by international law, which it has repeatedly flouted and i think israel not eating us requests and us efforts is partly a function of the way the us has decided to approach this relationship. pretty much by offering unconditional
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support and clearly not being willing in any significance measure to impose real costs on israel for not hitting us warnings and requests, but also to flout international law, including the un council resolution the icj. so i think as well as behavior is partly a function of really the us as failure to exercise leverage over iran. and obviously the us over israel. pardon? and obviously us has significant amounts of leverage that it could exercise if it wanted to over as well. but i don't think there is the political will to do so on the part of the biden administration, asana hassan, that they're in bahrain really appreciate it. thanks for the time. >> thank you all right. >> more on breaking news on the explosions in iran after a quick break, we'll take a look at regional reaction in the latest development that's when we come back every weekday
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facilities were not the target all for more. now, on cnn's exclusive interview with the iranian foreign minister, he spoke without erin burnett just hours before the israeli strike on iran about the for tat attacks between the two countries. >> you don't have that for more than as that amar sr. bad our missiles and drones and did reach our two intended targets night the attack was known to have a more middle column. even though they didn't know the precise time, but they knew that it would occur fairly soon. it was a successful operation. and a decisive response and a clear message to the zionist regime so just to be clear you you intended for it to perform as it did. >> so there were 99% of them were intercepted. a couple went through. there was no no
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significant damage done and that was the intent of the strike hi there for more washed out the dabbled our objective was to warn our objective was two more have taken resume is equal action. >> and so as to send a clear message to be received by the government of israel and to let it know that we do have the means to respond, i will read pete again. we never seek the expansion of chaos and warfare tensions in the region. >> sure. how your to for the last saturday around, of course, launched hundreds of drones and missiles on israel. it was in response in turn two, and israeli attack on iran's damascus consulate, its embassy compound on april the 1st, killed at least seven officials, including a top iranian commander. >> for more on the reaction from the region, we're joined now from istanbul by scott
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mclean and scott, the region as been on tender hooks for some time about the prospect of a broader war here. now we're seeing repeated back-and-forth between israel and iran. and i wonder where those concerns are right now in the wake of this apparent israeli attack on iran you know, jim, i think it's fascinating because at the moment you can sort of hear a pin drop in the middle east, there has been really no reaction that i can tell to what's took place in iran just now perhaps countries are wanting the dust to settle, wanting to know all the facts before saying anything. >> because as you rightly point out, this is a very volatile part of the world right now and as of course, you know, there are many dividing lines in the middle east between countries tribal divisions religious divisions, you name it. but the thing that has really united countries diplomatically over
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the past couple of weeks has been, they're response to this back-and-forth between the israelis and the iranians virtually all countries in this region say for the ones that are directly involved have been calling for restraint, calling for everyone to take a breath dial down. the temperature and tried to figure out how to resolve this peacefully because you have already seen in the wake of the war in gaza, an expansion of the conflict you have seen regular strikes on iranian proxy groups and others in iraq and syria. of course, you've had the us striking targets in yemen in response to what the houthis are doing, their you've had a backup and forth between the israelis and hezbollah in lebanon and so nobody wants to see this expand even further. and surely, when we do start seeing more reactions gym, there will be some eye rolls in there because many countries in this region egyptian summed it up after the last iranian attack on israel
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saying that, look, we saw this coming. this is something that we the attacks, the proxy war in the region has not helped the situation to situation in gaza has only inflame tensions in the region similar message to what the turks have been saying that look, this war in gaza is sort of putting everyone on edge as has the back-and-forth between between iran and the israelis, the turks by the way, have been working as an intermediary had been working as an intermediary between the americans and the iranians leading up to the iranian strike on israel. and so while the us is using countries in the region to get a message to iran not to strike back a lot of countries in this part of the world world are cynical about why the west can't deliver the same kind of message to israel that look, we're telling the iranians to cool it. >> but the us and the west has not been able to successfully convince the israelis to do the
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same gym i wonder in previous instances, there was some reporting that iran communicated through turkey in effect, israel and the west, its intentions prior to that weekend, drone and missile strike, was there any communication in the other direction via turkey yeah. we don't have any confirmation of that, but that is the natural question that we're going to be asking. in the wake of the iranian missile barrage on the israelis, the turks took a very long time to say anything at all and they haven't said anything thus far either. and so it's been really interesting to see how turkey has been utilizing its position as sort of a go-between, between the west and the middle east to be effective. and obviously the americans recognize that unique role that turkey has. and now we're also seeing the turks trying to be more useful when it comes to making peace between the
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israelis and hamas. of course, hamas has a presence here in turkey. the turks have a good relationship with hamas. they do not consider them a terror group, but liberation groups, i'm in the president recep tayyip erdogan has made abundantly clear. and so there seems to be some diplomatic movement as of late to get the turks more involved in trying to bring some kind of peace to gaza. and perhaps they can also be useful in trying to broker some kind of agreement between the israelis and the iranian as well, jim, you have particular with talk of keter, perhaps retreating from that role, cnn, scott mclean, inestimable. thanks so much thanks so much, to, all of you for watching. i'm jim sciutto in new york and i'm michael holmes here in atlanta, are breaking news coverage continues with john vause next get there's some
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