these civil penalties and to separate civil trials. if the appeals don't go his way, and this is a huge amount of money that he will have to pay and now he's got all these other trials, criminal trials that are coming up. one whose which had already started with jury selection you know, trump. >> so well because you've >> covered him for 30 years, is this the hardest time this man has ever gone through? >> up, to this point, but it's going to get much worse. a donald is not a strong internal person. if he sees he's going to go to jail, even if it's for a couple of days because he can't conduct himself in court. he will have a tough time, a very tough time. >> wow. david cay johnston. >> i know >> you're a great author. you're a pulitzer prize winner. i'm thank you. it's just nice, just sitting next to you. that's great. >> thank you so much. appreciate it all right. and thank you for joining us. cnn news night with abby phillip starts right now.

>> it's donald trump, the candidate who cried wolf. that's tonight on these nine good evening. i'm maybe fill up in new york just to head what we know about those seven trunk jurors who were seated in that trial. they're digital footprints and how the judge, again scolded the defendant, the former president of the united states but first tonight's donald trump is complaining what does he really mean? what he says? here is what he told reporters as he strode out of that manhattan courtroom today >> i can rewrite down in pennsylvania and many other states, north carolina, georgia, karatay is all coming from the biden why because they got can 0.2 sentences together. >> he >> can campaign visit order to

try and win election and it's not working that way. let's work the opposite way >> now, trump says, he is not where he wants to be. it's something that he's said before about his legal problems and why they are problems for his 2024 chances instead of being in south carolina and other states campaigning, i'm stuck here tonight. she interference case nobody has ever seen anything like it in the scratchy it's a disgrace >> i'm sorry, i won't >> be able to go to iowa today. i won't be able to go to new hampshire today because i'm sitting in a courtroom on because his attorney general charged >> what if trump weren't sitting in that courtroom, what he really be on the campaign trail. >> well >> tomorrow the trial won't keep trump in manhattan and yet he has no plans to go somewhere like michigan or georgia or any

swing state as far as we know. instead, he's going to spend ben the first de that he could be campaigning having dinner at trump tower with the polish president. now when trump had the chance to campaign during the e, jean carroll trial, he also chose not to. he chose instead to appear in court regularly trump campaign officials tout their great airplane but they don't really feel it up and fly it out anymore than joe biden uses air force one khalil trump campaign events since the calendar flipped over to 2024. and he's done at least 27 events like rallies or going to watch parties or lie-filled speeches at the border. but what about his contention that joe biden doesn't really campaign, that he can't. well, that's not really true either. biden on top of his wife's house schedule, has held 23 campaign events, including visits to union halls campaign office openings, canvas launches, rallies so what's the truth here well, donald trump, as he

often does he has said the quiet part out loud. he does like the courtroom chaos, anythings that works better for him just listen to him say it >> they want to keep me off the campaign trail with base. so what i'm doing, i think there's no prescient joining me now to, discuss all of this, are robert ray, he's a former >> federal prosecutor, and was counseled to donald trump during the first impeachment, also with us cnn legal analysts michael moore. he's a former us attorney. gentlemen, thanks for being here. it's day two and we have seven jurors not bad. right. are you surprised by how many have been seated so far? >> well, i'm glad to be with you >> i am a >> little surprised. i thought the pace would be a little bit slower. i didn't anticipate we would have seven already. i think that means that we're not we don't get into open a statement until about midweek next week. but clearly they've got folks, so you're saying

they can be unbiased and that they can sit on the jury and pay attention to the facts that that'll be yet to be determined as they go forward, but i'm surprised we've got seven folks in the jury box. >> one of the interesting things that we are learning a little bit about some of the jurors most americans, they're not called up for cases quite like this. it's usually stuff that's not quite so high profile. but a lot of the jurors, their social media posts are apparently part of the conversations about whether they will be struck are not walk us through how that works, how to jurors have their social media posts become part of the evaluation process. >> i think the answer is simple one, it's called jury consultants. >> yeah. >> i think lurking behind the scenes, i mean, i don't know what the president's legal team has as far as who they've lined up. but it would be incredibly surprising to me that he doesn't have jury consultants and one of the things that they do, in addition to help thank you. >> run >> mock trials and run through a mock jury and present arguments and sort of test your

arguments that you would make a trial. in addition, they are very adept at advising council about how to select the jury based upon experience. and they're also in the data collection business, which is one of the function investigative functions that they perform. and one of the first things they go to now in the modern world in order to explore, yes, you say you can be fair, but let's let's let's probe a little. let's do a little background work. and the first place you go to in today's world, let's go to social media. what have they posted? what is it? more revealing about who they truly are and what they think about issues? >> and >> is there anything there that you can use? here's the kicker. is there anything that you can use that you could then present to a judge to say, judge, this juror, or even though they profess to be someone who can be fair and impartial, actually has evidenced bias and you're looking to have that juror excused for cause, judge you say, here's the evidence correctly. you lay it out for him or you confront that juror with their prior posts. well, what did you mean by that? do you think you can really be fair in a case in which you've

said that donald trump should go to jail, it would almost be malpractice, not to make an inquiry and to look for this kind of stuff. >> but it has to be done in advance because once you're in the corner for grants, right? you're not on your phone? >> no, that's right. and i think just the viewing audience knows you don't have a whole lot of time to gather this. i mean, you're not you're faced with, you know, the name of the person, you know a little bit about their background. >> now >> you're asking your journey consults to go very quickly to the most readily available sources to find out more about that juror and pass that information into the courtroom with notes to the defense team. were the prosecution team. and it's not unheard of for a prosecutors to have jerry consultants two, that's also done. >> talk about another example of why an affluent defendants such a huge advantage that's gotta be expensive. >> it's extremely expensive then it's almost unheard of not to use it in a case of this magnitude, certainly. but even smaller cases at this point, you use jurgen schult will use them all the time and it's just

something that's invaluable tool for years you get ready to try your case. >> another moment today, judge merchan really reprimanding trump for speaking audibly are murmuring audibly in the courthouse the judge merchant said he wouldn't have any jurors intimidated in the courtroom. trump also wants to be allegedly there for sidebars about jurors how is this all going to play out >> it's not unusual for defendants to make that request. i have seen judges a seed to that request and have actually the defendant on trial present for those sidebars typically, it's not done, it's handled by the lawyers, obviously, out of the hearing of other perspective, jurors, but also out of the hearing of the defendant who remains at council's table. so i actually don't know how they've handled it here. do you think that's not unusual tactic? >> if >> trump were to actually do that. and also that his

demeanor in the courthouse falling asleep yesterday, the murmuring today, i mean, some of this kind of smells of sideshow. yeah. i think everything about this has got to be intimidated to jurors are prospective jurors. people don't like getting called into court. they're not used to to the system without the circus, its in this case. but if you think about it from the time they get to the courthouse when they come in the courtroom sitting at the table, they've got security, they've got blockades. i've got secret service, stan and ran then you've got the former president and his states it's the former president, whether you liked him or not, he was still the president united states. let's let's not forget about the fact that most people in this country have not met a president of the united states were a former president of the united states. and you're now sitting as a prospective juror in a case in which you are literally within arm's reach of the defendant and probably the most high-profile case that comes recently to mind maybe perhaps since o.j. or even before. and that's that's in and of itself as an extraordinary, but you should, shouldn't forget

about the mate mode. most basic thing is, most people have not met a president of the united states. it's intimidating on his face and so standing there next to him, whether trying to give their explanation to the judge or answer questions that's sort of just sad. sasha silliness really most of the time the client sits at the table or lawyers go to the bench you take your issue up at sidebar, then if there's a question you said, let me speak to my client. you step back, talk to your client? resolve it. you don't have a i have found though the jurors don't look, there's a high-profile case. it's a little different, but most jurors don't look to the lawyers, don't look to the defendant on trial, don't look really to anything else. the one thing that they do look for, for signals about how things are going to go is to gesture. that's who they pay attention can two and they rely on and who they take comfort from. and a certain measure of security in the courtroom as a result of how how the judge conducts his or her courtroom. yeah,

>> such a smart point. robert re michael moore. thank you both very much. thank you. >> and tonight, >> tracing a trump lie from outside the court to the friendly confines, a fox graduated from high school and it looks like the judge will not let me go through the graduation or is looking forward for years? graduation with his mother and father there and it looks like the judge is going to allow me to escape this scam >> that was the former president immediately after day one of his menn trial, lying about a decision that the judge had not made he did it again on truth social claiming that he's been quote, prohibited from attending my son barons high school graduation. and almost as those words escaped, the former president's lips, they went straight to the fox airwaves that means donald trump isn't even allowed to attend his son barons high school graduation if he tries to go, the judge will throw them in jail for that, too. could you believe this judge

might not let trump go see his son's graduation? >> trump's >> said the judge will not let him attend his son's graduation. >> my former president trump today said, he may have to miss his son barons graduation due to this trial and is currently under a gag order from the judge. your reaction >> that shows that this democrat manhattan judge, one more shot? it is a partisan activist in a rope, the former president can attend his son, barons high school graduation scheduled to take place next month. clearly, this is nothing more than another political smear campaign. >> but what trump and his friends say was already decided has not been decided at all. merchant said it is too early to say if trump can go watch his on walk on the stage to pomp and circumstance, read the transcript, and merchant sounds like he actually wants to let

trump go if the trial can stick to a schedule, quote, if everything is gone boeing according to schedule without unnecessary delays that i'm sure we will be able to adjourn for one or both of those days. but if we're running behind schedule, we will not be able to up next for us, legendary journalist carl bernstein is here. he joins me live onset about the impact of this trial on the election, plus is the supreme court or about to let january 6 insurrectionists off the hook the arguments that may also help trump and i'll speak with a pro-palestinian valedictorian it out of usc after the university canceled her speech over security concerns. this is news nine i've been to the world with my >> music and now i want to focus on what's happening to our planet i'm going to visit coastal communities that have a new kali in the fight against

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>> laura coates live tonight at 11 eastern on cnn tonight is the supreme court about >> to let hundreds of insurrectionists off the hook, while the justices heard oral arguments today, and fischer versus united states, fissure is this man, joseph fischer. he's a former pennsylvania police officer who was indicted for storming the capitol his lawyers argued that he wasn't really part of the mob, that he just got squeezed in by the crowd. he's also charged with trying to obstruct an official proceeding to stop congress from doing its job and certified the 2020 election now that is the piece that the justices will ultimately decide whether or not the justice department can actually charge him with obstruction they're doing it under a 2002 law that was meant to corral white-collar criminals it was

originally designed to stop the smartest criminals in the room at enron and other companies like it from destroying evidence. now of the nearly 1,400 people who are arrested for participating in the insurrection, 350 are facing obstruction charges, including donald trump so today, fischer's attorney argued that the law is ridiculously limited that unless you're talking about documents or records, unless you are tampering with evidence, it really doesn't apply. and so you can't charge obstruction no matter what proceeding you may be impeding liberal justice sonia sotomayor, did the supreme court equivalent of laughing the ad that idea, asking this there is a sign on a theater. you will be kicked out of the theater if you photograph or record the actors or otherwise disrupt the performance, if you start yelling i think no one would question that. you can be expected to be kicked out under this policy even though yelling

has nothing to do with photograph, we're recording >> now, the conservatives didn't go hook line and singer for fisher's arguments, but they're questions of the government suggests that insurrectionist are going to get a pass or at least dramatically reduced criminal exposure questions like these from neil gorsuch are tropic to the bench about what else might fall under the law >> what does sit in that disrupts a trial or access to a federal courthouse qualify would a heckler in today's audience qualify or at the state of the union address would pulling a fire alarm before for a vote qualify for 20 years in federal prison >> sit-ins, hecklers, fire alarms they might be an impediment, but it is not an insurrection. for everyone, but forgets this is what the mob looked like. it's hard to see how anyone can argue that the

intent here was not to obstruct a constitutionally important official proceeding, but the court's conservatives seem ready to do just that protesters block to the golden gate bridge in san francisco and disrupted traffic and san francisco, what if something similar to that >> happened all around the cabin? capital so that members all the bridges from virginia were blocked and members from virginia who needed to appear at a hearing couldn't get there our word delayed in getting there, what if on january 6th, the capital itself had not been breached? >> there have been many violent protests that have interfered with proceedings. as the government applied this provision to other protests in the past, there are six other accounts in the indictment here and why aren't there? those six counts >> good enough. >> just from the justice

department's perspective >> so who is the court poised to help here? someone like pauline bauer? for more, i want to bring in veteran journalist carl bernstein. he's also the author of chasing history. he kid in the newsroom, carl. what's your takeaway from? what happened at the supreme court today? yet another hugely important case before them. >> i wouldn't overestimate the importance of this case it affects perhaps several hundred of those who were arrested. i think we need to look at january 6 as a moment in our history in which an incumbent president of the united states attempted to undermine are very democracy and to encourage this

insurrection. and to encourage and impede the free election of the president of the united states and the president of the united states duly elected, taking office. that's what all of these cases and even the case in new york is about a criminal president donald trump before he's president trying to undermine the electoral system, the courts basically is what we're just the official proceeding part. they're saying that this may not even count as a criminal charge. >> this is one part of charges against a great number of rioters. we don't know how many will be affected by it if the conservative majority indicated today and there are indications hold up that del, del decide in favor of dismissing somebody's charges i would put this in in the heading of a b big a big footnote i don't think that it's the big news today. i think that what we need to keep

our eye on is donald trump is a criminal president of the united states. those charges against him on january 6, and incidentally, there's very little indication that what the justices were saying today would have any effect on the charges against donald trump. you're absolutely right that some of these charges against the rioters could be dismissed as a result of this, but i don't think it's the big story and i don't think that we need to overestimate what may be a decision that will circumscribe the punishment and the charges about some of those defendants. >> one of the things that we're just moments ago, god, the official transcript from the manhattan hearing today that we were just discussing earlier in the show. and so now we have a little bit more of a window of what the judge actually he said, here's a quote. judge merchan. he's talking about trump's demeanor in the courthouse. he says, mr.

blanche, while the juror was at the podium, maybe 12 feet from your client. your client was audibly uttering something. i don't know what exactly he was uttering. he was audibly gesturing, speaking in the direction of the juror. i won't talk all right. that i will not have any jurors intimidated in this courtroom i wanna make that crystal clear the judge, there really reprimanding trump and his attorneys pretty strongly for his behavior in the courthouse. what do you make of what trump might be trying to do by how he is? creating these proceedings. maybe trying to delegitimize them in a certain way >> it's intended for his audience again, i wouldn't attach too much importance to it. what i would say is that this judge intends to run a very strict courtroom and he's not going to treat trump differently than any other defendant and if there's going to be these kinds of theatrical, he's going to put a stop to them again, i think

we need to keep our eye on a president of the united states such as george washington formed us about when he said that there will be coming ambitious and unprincipled men who will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves in a reins of government that is what all of these cases, in one way or another, go to this thing about falsifying records in the new york case is about why didn't he falsify the records because he did not want the voters to know the facts. and he obstructed justice as it were, to keep the voters from having a record of what had actually occurred. so all these alleged crimes by donald trump, a seditious, the first seditious president of the united states, which is really what january 6 is about and what donald trump

and the republican party don't want us to know and don't want us to focus on is what occurred on january 6 and attempt by a president of the united states to stage a coup. here earlier before the election and attempt by a candidate for the presidency to undermine the very election system. it's all consistent it all fits together. >> it >> as with so many things >> to trump does this was perhaps the opening salvo as he was running for president the first time, but it continued on in the years that followed. and that's why we're agree just that and that's why he's facing not not just one, but several criminal criminal trials that could go on this year. and in the following year, carl bernstein always great to have you on. thank you very much for staying up with us. and just to note about tomorrow's show right here on new night, i'll be joined by speaker emerita nancy pelosi. that'll be lived 10:00 p.m. eastern time i'm only here on

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graduation speeds by its own valedictorian. asna tabassum is a medical engineering student who is also muslim, and she beat out nearly hundred other students for this year's top spot but now the university says that of her selection took an alarming tenor. usc blames on specific threats to safety as the reason for scrapping her speech joining me now is asna tabassum, university of southern california valedictorian. asna. thank you very much for joining us my understanding is that this week you met with university officials to address security concerns. what happened in that meeting? did they tell you about any specific carets >> now >> actually did not tell me about any specific threats and my request to ask for the >> details of such threats were denied. and so it leads me to consider whether the decision to revoke my speech was on the

mate was made on the basis of safety alone >> do you have a sense of whether there was a concern for your safety or perhaps the safety of other students? the safety i >> think is a priority for all students, including myself and so it wasn't made unclear to me because i received no details about what specifically the security threats were directed to so the university is sad that this is not a free speech issue. do you view it that way? >> i think there's a nuance here. i think i expressed an opinion through a length that i had on my instagram the hate and the vitriol that was unleashed towards me after, i think was part of the reason that the university caved in. and so when it comes to being a free speech issue, sure. maybe my validate speech is a privilege and it's a privilege. i do not take lightly and other students and evidently people blue around the world do not take lightly. but at the end of

the day, my views, the views that i have expressed in the views that usc has instilled within me as well we're were stifled and were subject to hate. >> you just brought up a link that was posted through your social media page. i do want to ask you about that. since you did bring it up one of the items in this post our calls for the complete abolishment of israel is that a position that you endorse? if >> you're asking me if i stand for human rights, if you're asking me if i stand for equality and unequivocal and unconditional right to life for all people. including palestinians. then i'm not apologetic. i believe in what i believe. and it is because of the people around me that i've met at usc, the classes that i've taken, the professors that i have learned from that have led me to look at the

world in this way and it's unfortunate that human rights is controversial. >> the reason i'm asking is because that's what the link sad. it called for the complete abolishment of israel, abolishment i've israel was in the actual language is that something that you endorse >> the abolishment of the state of israel. i'd like to clarify, is the abolishment of an apartheid system? it inherently is a system that subjugates palestinians as dehumanized. and it's subjugates palestinian life as not worth the same as other human life. >> so >> the link says, that's >> that a yes then i think a yes or a no would be an injustice to the issue. and i think that any sort of ideological debate or any sort of academic discourse is worth clarification and worth discussion. >> you're in a university

environment and as a muslim student, your experience is important and it matters. and as you said, you want the university to protect you. but i wonder about your jewish class some of them have said that your selection to speak at their graduation has turned that event into an unwelcome and intolerant environment. for jewish students what do you say to them >> i believe that every jewish student at commencement deserves to be represented just as every other student at commencement the position of having a value korean honore is supposed to be a unifying honore believed that my commitment to human rights and my commitment to equal treatment should not be signified as or not be manipulated into an expression of disunity i think when i, what i say to my jewish classmates is that your feelings are heard. and i think

that you're you're entitled to your own positions on an ideological or on the basis of academic discourse. but when it comes to human rights and when it comes to the unequivocal and unconditional right to life then i think that all usu students, because i have faith in my university that instilled these values are not us i'm going to all use students believe in that. >> did you play on in your speech to talk about israel and its actions? and if you had the opportunity to give it, what would you have said? >> that's a great question. so i actually had not started working on my speech at all. if i were to be able to give a voluntary speech, a message of hope when it comes to me saying a speech, again, me taking a valid three speech that is supposed to be unifying, i would definitely encourage, and i would challenge and i would implore my peers to reconsider and to consider the ways in

which their education can allow them and offer them the responsibility to look at matters of the world and take them into their own lens, make their own decisions, and make their own and make their own >> i >> want to say not be told what to believe, and then use use those users conceptions to make a change for the greater good >> asna tabassum. thank you very much for joining us and i should say congratulations to you on being the valedictorian at usc. thank you. >> thank you >> the knives are out tonight for mike johnson. and what is quickly becoming the sequel to the kevin mccarthy's ouster will democrats now save the republicans acre in this gop? war

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that just days after donald trump cut johnson to kiss the ring at mar-a-lago. this is how the former president responded to all of this drama what once you, what did you catch that? >> let's play it again. >> what we'll see what happens not exactly are ringing endorsement. in fact, it is the exact same tepid response that trump gave when he realized that kevin mccarthy's future wasn't out. we'll see what happens. we'll see how it all works out. joining me now is josh barrow co-host of the serious trouble podcast and senior white house communications aid jamal simmons >> number >> former whiteout >> i don't i don't want to die thinking i'm speaking grading >> grading your title here but josh look, is my johnson going to survive all this?

>> i think probably. i mean, we've seen a couple of democrats come out say explicitly i mean, jared moscowitz from florida saying that he's going to act to protect mike johnson, tom suozzi, the new congressman from new york, has suggested that he will. i don't think i don't think democrats seen advantage in the chair being vacated right now. especially because i think they think they're likely to get some sort of foreign aid deal, or at least that they have a chance to get to that pretty soon. i know that i keep jeffries was sort of suggesting today that they want some outlines from mike johnson about exactly what this nomination excuse me, what this legislation is going to contain for ukraine, et cetera but the relationship seems significantly war warmer than it did with regard to kevin mccarthy some months ago so i think that you only had eight republican votes to dethrone mccarthy last time around. and so i think that you'll likely see enough democrats here stick up to support johnson because they don't really gain anything from the being vacated. >> i well, is that the surprise of the century that all of us? a sudden mike johnson is tolerable to democrats and in

addition to what josh just say, i mean, there is the sort of what they're getting out of the bill. but there's clearly a relationship there that they feel like they can work with this guy i think the question is, what are the alternatives, right? and at some point the resident does have to pass legislation. you've got to get a bill that's going to aid israel. i and get some get some humanitarian relief in gaza. you've got to get a bill that's going to aid ukraine. people are watching in china. let's see how we're shooting our allies because you who knows who's going to happen in taiwan but i was struck by the video just showed of the former president, these trump's ain't loyal right? right. but i don't know why people feel the need to go down to mar-a-lago and qizan ring of this guy and only to have him pull the rug out from under you as soon as it's in his best interests. and we saw with chris sununu on sunday on sunday show trying to say that he was now going to support down trump after being opposed to them. and now we're seeing, we're seeing with mike johnson just goes on and on and a, on every song single time and trump decides, i'm done

with you. it's a one-way street. we know that that's a fact that's not even an opinion because trump has done it so many times now. separately from that, i mean, we talked about this impeachment that they wanted to of the homeland security secretary mayorkas. there's a lot that doesn't make a lot of sense about that, but it's going to the senate is this something that even if it doesn't go anywhere, still could be damaging to the president and to the biden administration. >> i mean, i think immigration has been a very difficult political issue for the president. and so to the extent that it's in the news, i think that's a problem for the white house. so i think that's part of the reason that republicans did this impeachment. it's a way to keep the crisis at the border in the news that said, the senate is busy right now, they have a number of things you need to do this, this renewal of the foreign intelligence surveillance act. if the house acts on a foreign aid bill, the senate will have to act on it too, because the house probably won't pass exactly what the senate already passed. it's not just democrats in the senate who are eager to get onto other things. you have a few republicans in the senate who have been irritated about the impeachment itself and

what, and what a waste of time they see it as. but more broadly of a lot of republicans in the senate who have other priorities for their time. there is supposed to be a recess that starts on thursday afternoon this week, and so they they they probably can't make that in any case but those senators are itching to get out of town on both sides of the aisle. and so you'll see maybe some number of hours devoted to this. but i think they'll dispense with it pretty quick. >> i mean, josh makes an important point that at this point it's almost like you're hearing more and more republicans being like what's going on in the house chamber is ridiculous. i mean, i noted brian kemp, the governor of georgia tweeted today that it's effectively embarrassing. the senate is going to just kill this once and for all. meanwhile, trump is on trial, criminal trial. it really seems like the gop right now is still in a state of chaos at the very moment that they don't need to be. >> it's absolutely in a state of chaos as you just said, that the head of their ticket is in court, you're hearing from people who are working in

states who are saying no, there are some reluctance on behalf of candidates and some of these states to do agreements with the rnc about usually raise money together people are saying maybe we shouldn't do that because we don't know it's going to happen that money there's reluctance about are we building up the coordinated campaign infrastructure inside some of these states? because so much attention is being given to donald trump out of the republican party. >> and this one is >> going to his little money is going his legal defense so it's trickling down in a way that i think because very concerning for i think a lot of those candidates now, people may have a crack side, are happy to see it. the one thing republicans are starting to do, you're hearing about is getting a lot of these self funders to run an office because they don't think they're going to have the money to run from being able to raise it. >> all right? jamal simmons, josh para. thank you both very much. and just to cnn, bob graham, the two term governor and three-term united states senator, has passed away with his family by his side. he was 87 years old graham was an original. he carried a notebook job jotting down a minute by

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is so close to your heart when you first told me about it, i said absolutely. tell us about the birth fund and how you got to this point. >> well, you were my first call, so thank you so much for saying yes and for having me on your show tonight. birth fund is a coalition of families that are tired of hearing these sad stories of mothers losing their lives unnecessarily during and after childbirth. and we were ready to take action with our own resources and with our own network. so we are coming together to invest in and raised funds for midwifery care for families all across this country who want access to this life-saving or affirming model of care, but can afford the out-of-pocket costs you've got. as we just laid out there, some huge names behind this as well one of them is serena williams. you wrote an op-ed with her and time magazine. and this is the part that really struck out to me you wrote having babies in america was a wake-up call for both of us. we have both

accomplished a lot in our lives and careers from grand slams to history-making career appointments needless to say, we can do hard things, but nothing made us feel as disempowered as being pregnant and black in america a lot of people will be shocked to hear you say that. i think >> people might be shocked to hear that, but i think there's a lot of moms out there who are nodding their head and could relate because i do think that we a lot of us go into childbirth thinking how hard could this be? and then we're met with a very broken maternal health care system and over 50% of mothers in this country label their births as traumatic and while that number is staggering, we can't normalize that. that's not how it should be and it's not how it has to be. and so i think we need to lift up solutions and alternative pathways to having beautiful, joyful empowered, and safe birth. >> and one of those alternative

pathways is home birth. i had a home birth you had a home birth? we talked about this in my documentary. why do you think midwifery is part of the solution here? >> well, i think that this stats tell the story, the us right now is the deadliest country in the western world to give birth in. and the thing that all these other countries have in common is that midwifery is there? >> default birth care model so much more normalized >> and yet here >> in america, it's not even covered by insurance. >> yeah. yeah. so it's it's a model of care that we need to be investing in as a solution to this crisis. and it's going to take people like us talking about our story than our positive experiences with midwifery to help reframe it for for a whole new generation of moms who've may not have even heard of it. >> i don't want to shortchange the dads here because you have some pretty big deal dads as part of the bird including your husband jonathan, but also serena's husband as well. what's of fathers who are often left not just with the grief, but with the advocacy for their partners who didn't

make it after childbirth. >> absolutely. we cannot underestimate the role of partners of menn and dads in this conversation and in this movement, when you think about it, there is no one who is more impacted than the fathers and the partners that are coming home from these hospitals without their partners left to raise their families on their own there's no reason that men should not be part of this. we need to lift up their stories and we need to help educate menn on their role as advocates for their partners who are going through one of the biggest transitional moments and most vulnerable times in our lives. >> of course it's not just asked you got so many other partners who are stepping in to help these families and all kinds of different ways. >> we can't list them >> all now, but just to show people, there's a lot that's going on behind the scenes and every single person has a role in doing something about it. elaine voltron. thank you so much. for being here. it's been j