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>> i'm jeff zeleny on the campaign trail in omaha in this is cnn >> cnn breaking news >> welcome back. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. we're following breaking news over the skies of israel a wide-scale aerial assault is going on right now with waves of drones and missiles streaming into israel from iran, directly from iran, are teams on the ground in jerusalem and northern israel. they've been hearing explosions above, as us and israeli forces have reported intercepting multiple, multiple iranian attacks, but we still do not know what the ultimate impact of this uranian barrage will be. not the immediate damage inside israel nor the response that bring next. i want to go back to jeremy diamond. are corresponded is in

northern israel right now. i take it you've, you've heard the explosions. you've seen the fighter jets all of a sudden these rockets, these missiles are coming in to northern israel from his balah territory in south lebanon hezbollah being an iranian proxy, what can you tell us, update our viewers? jeremy yeah, that's right. well, if i was in jerusalem >> earlier tonight when this iranian response began, i heard multiple interception, saw those interceptions happening in the sky as iran fired more than 200 projectiles, drones and missiles towards israel and just as my team and i were arriving here in northern israel, we heard multiple interceptions overhead. and when we were speaking on air moments ago, i also saw and then subsequently heard a few moments later more interceptions happening in northern israel, about six miles away if from here, we know that this latest, a barrage of rockets or drones, we're not quite sure at this

point, we'll just call them projectiles for now. were fired from lebanon likely by hezbollah, towards the golan heights as well as northern israel. and that's significant for a couple of reasons because it raises the question first of all, of coordination between what is one of ron's biggest proxies in the region has bulla and iran itself, or the possibility that this latest barrage is simply part of this cadence that happens here in northern israel, as we have watched over the course of the last six months, as hezbollah and israel i'll have traded fire back and forth over the israel and border since the beginning of this war. now, interestingly, before this latest barrage happened, before the sirens sounded in the golan heights, the israeli military actually changed its guidance to civilians who earlier tonight had been told old to stay near shelters if they are living in this part of the country but then were subsequently told that that

guidance was no longer in effect, that they could return to life as normal and it was only very shortly after that that first barrage came across the border from lebanon towards the golan heights >> and >> so this obviously gives you a sense that even as iran indicates that its military bonds to the israeli strike on that consular building in damascus. they have indicated that that response is over, but still this cross-border exchange that has happened for months between israel and hezbollah is likely to continue. >> well, on jeremie a few months ago, as you and i will know, the hezbollah 17 rockets into northern israel and the israeli government decided to evacuate tens of thousands of israelis who live in northern israel, northern galilee, and kiryat shmona, that town along the border, not too far away from lebanon. and they've gone south and they're living basically and it hotels at various parts of tel aviv or jerusalem slim or elsewhere, is

it's still pretty empty up in the north of israelis who are there. almost all of the israelis left that area as a result of this bella rockets and missiles coming into israel yeah, well there's, still some roughly 80,000 israeli residents who live in northern israel who have >> been evacuated from their homes within a buffer zone effectively in northern israel, evacuated from their homes. most of them have not returned in the six months since this war began. a similar number of lebanese civilians in southern lebanon have also been forced to flee their homes and head north and lebanon. and so even as this has been kind of a quietly simmering conflict between israel and hezbollah, it hasn't quite escalated to the levels of a full-blown war that some have predicted, that some have expected, and some have hoped would not come. nonetheless, the impacts are very real on both the civilian population in northern israel as well as in southern lebanon.

and it's also wolf resulting in enormous pressure on the israeli government to conclude this conflict with hezbollah. one way or another, either through a diplomatic path or through a military solution that would see hezbollah forces pushed further north in lebanon out of reach of israeli towns in northern israel. and so what we're witnessing here is really the crux of this intersection between the conflict between israel and iran, as well as israel. and one of ron's biggest proxies in the region which indeed is hezbollah. and while we've expected that if this conflict were to blow up into a much broader regional conflict, it would come because of those constant exchanges between israel and hezbollah. we've seen tonight that the risk has indeed come directly from iran with this massive attack that it carried out on israel more than 200 projectiles fired in the direction of israeli

territory. the question now of course, wolf will be how will israel respond and whether or not this will escalate into that broader regional conflict, that full-blown war between israel and iran, that many have feared. >> just to be precise, i robyn, i'll let you go in a second. but jeremy just remind our viewers, hizballah in south lebanon has a stockpile, an arsenal of what thousands of rockets and missiles ready to be fired. it israel is that right >> that's right. wolf and israeli military and political leaders are well aware that as they talk about the prospects of war with hezbollah, they understand that it will be a very different kinds of war than the one that they are currently fighting in gaza with hamas, hezbollah as arsenal of rockets is not only larger, but it is far more sophisticated, has a much larger reach, bigger payloads, then hamas is rocket arsenal in gaza. and so as israeli leaders have talked about the possibility of war with some israeli officials in

recent months, putting that chance at more than 50% in conversations that i i've had with them. they are also well aware that it would likely result in significant damage inside of israel, far more significant than the kind of damage that hamas has been able to deal to israel. certainly in terms of infrastructure within israel yeah, a lot of those rockets and missiles of hezbollah has in south lebanon, they have enormous range. not only could reach haifa in northern israel, but even tel aviv and maybe even as far south as a lot, the southernmost town in israel right now. so the israelis are really, really focusing in on that. we'll see how they respond to this latest threat not only a direct threat from iran, but from the uranium proxy, hizballah in south lebanon. were watched that very closely, stay safe over there. jeremy diamond appreciate it very much from northern israel. i want to go to jerusalem, madueke robertson is there for us remind our viewers what has been going on in jerusalem over these past few hours day yeah,

wolf, it was a very intense period when the missile started coming over jerusalem. i don't think anyone expected to see so many dangerous munitions over such a densely populated area. and it was really the first place in the country outside of the north, right along the border there where jeremy is that the israeli citizens were we're getting to experience the first taste of what enrons response was going to be the leading edge of those 200 killer drones cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. and the interceptions that we saw here. we're coming from multiple directions. we can, we can take a look at that again now he's rockets and missiles. you're getting some new information. what else are you learning? what else are you seeing right now >> yeah i'm hearing fighter jet off in this direction. i

was just telling you a few minutes ago about fighter jets that were circling above us. but what we saw about a minute ago as a bright red light shooting off in that direction. and then you could hear the sound of a fighter jets sort of turning on its afterburners. it appeared and zooming off towards the distant horizon. it gave the impression that the fighter jet had just got instructions there's something out in that direction get out a meat it fast and i'm hearing the sound of the jet again. so it could be that the jets that we're seeing here are moving off to another area to where they're seeing another wave of drones thrones coming in. but there are several jets. i'm hearing circling here at the moment so some of those intercepts obviously, the idf has been telling us they wanted to intercept a lot of the missiles outside of israel's territory. they say that they were able to intercept, to

least ten cruise missiles dozens of other are those slow moving drones were intercepted outside of israel's air space i'm one of the logical places between iran and israel to the east of here is jordan. and residents of the capital there, a man did report seeing flashes in the sky, indicative perhaps of what we were seeing here as well in jerusalem, that there were intercepts. there. and i think this gets to how dangerous potentially what has happened tonight can be for the region certainly, if israel response and iran responds again because this is a very fragile mix of emotions in the region at the moment and for many jordanians, they really do not like the way that israel is treating the palestinians inside of gaza. so they don't want to see missile intercepts

over the above their heads, intercepting missiles that iran is firing towards israel because they don't support israel. of course, the leadership in jordan has a relationship with with israel and established relationship that has a subs and downs. and they have some common security interests but that's not necessarily how the majority of the population feel. so if there are repeated waves of of what we're witness tonight with not just interceptions in the skies above us here but interceptions in the skies above neighboring countries like jordan, this is going to make the dynamic and the pulse and the fragility of security in the region even weaker. so when you look at how and when president biden and prime minister netanyahu speak about how or if israel should respond to this disproportionate

response to the white house says has come from, has come from iran tonight. there are more factors than just israel and iran in the dynamic of the equation is jeremy was explaining hezbollah in the north, in lebanon. but there are countries that are not in the fight where tensions can rise. and that would lead to a broader instability. wolf >> yeah, that would be jordan as well and it was very significant and nick jim sciutto is with me as well. i want to bring him into this conversation, jim, i know you have a question for nick as well, but in jordan for example, if rockets or missiles are coming in from iran towards israel and going over jordan, it's not the israelis who were intercepting those rockets and missiles over jordan. it's the us that is doing so from various bases that the us has in the region that's right. and i think wolf, to your point and i was going to ask nick about this as well, that you have part partners like jordan, saudi arabia, both with an

iranian attack like tonight, but also the houthi attacks, for instance, in the red sea that nick is, you know, they oppose those attacks and sometimes take part in defending against them without advertising that participation because they're concerned about being seen publicly supporting us military action in the region, or being steve to help defend israel. i wonder, have you seen any reaction so far in the region from countries such as that to iran's attack on israel you know i think the. language that we've heard, the saudis use this evening is again a cautious >> language and it's symptomatic the language that they've been trying to use around the conflict in gaza at the moment, and it's language that tries, tries to recognize it they have a role to play in peace and stability in the future in the region. and their population, perhaps doesn't

support israel strong way at this time. until their language is cautious around that. but i think what it comes to jordan, if we go back just a few months when there was that strike on the us base, right in the very eastern corner of jordan, right up close to the syrian border there was a short period there where the jordanian government sort of we're trying to say this actually happened inside syria. and that gets to the sensitivities of the us presence and roll inside of jordan, even though these countries a strong allies, even though the united states supports financially the jordanian government. and when you consider jordan's interest in in their stability in gaza, it's an extreme one because they don't want to see waves of palestinians coming out of israel are coming out of the west bank and moving into

jordan because it would be very destabilizing and jordan we know that the security services in jordan play a role with the palestinian authority and play a role with the israeli government one that's not talked about what but one that happens quietly behind the scenes to try to keep on top of hamas, for example, in the west bank. so these are delicate sensitivities. but when, when, when the peace and stability dynamic changes as significantly as it could through the momentous events of iran for the first time ever striking israel and how things play out from there that balance that delicate balance can get out of kilter. and that means that means much harder for the us to see its interests further in the region nic robertson in jerusalem for us next, stay safe over there will be in close touch with you. appreciate all your excellent,

excellent reporting. i want to go to fred pleitgen right now. he's our expert on what's going on inside iran fred set the scene for us. it looks like the arrhenius have launched hundreds of these drones and rockets and missiles towards israel. many of them have been intercepted either by the israelis over israeli aerospace, or by the united states. and some of these rockets and missiles coming in from iran directly from iran flying over iraq or syria, or jordan towards israel. what's your understanding right now and your wealth sourced on what's happening inside iran several hours after this latest conflict erupted, the way it did today. >> well, first of all, i think it's a variety inside iran. i certainly know from speaking to people on the ground in iran over the past couple of days that many of them were concerned that the situation between ron and israel could really spiral out of control or get out of control. and the united states become very much involved in it as well. there were many iranians who were fearing this could become a

much larger, a confrontation that of course could end a militarily. and that's certainly something where i did feel from a lot of iranians that it's definitely not something that this point in time would have been in their interests. it's been quite interesting to see the response from the iranians wolf where they believe that this was actually a fairly measured one by them, the foreign ministry came out with a statement, just a couple of hours ago is saying that they believed that this was self-defense and also saying, as they put it, they believed that this could be the end of the matter now, but of course, all that depends on israel. but if you look at some of the things that have been going on tonight and the hours leading up to this. it is quite interesting inside iran. first of all, the iranian currency, the tomar took a nosedive over the the past. i would say about 36 hours ago, which obviously goes to show that these tensions between iran and israel and iran and the united states were definitely something that we're weighing on the iranian economy even the aza, it of course, has been

buckling from those sanctions. the economy that's been in a lot of trouble anyway, but this is certainly something that has been weighing on it even more at the same time, you do have a show of force from the iranian government, from the leadership and from those supporting as well. in fact, tonight, as those strikes were being being launched, there were pro iranian pro-palestinian demonstrations that took place in tehran, and then also in the city of calm, which is of course, one of those really strong points for the religious leadership of the country. so the iranians feel that they've demonstrated today that they are in a fairly powerful position. but at the same time, they do want to stop this from escalating any further is certainly the messaging that we are receiving from this. but think one of the things that really stands out for the iranians as well was the size of the attacks that happens tonight. the fact that you did have hundreds of drones and missiles ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles that were

involved in all this. obviously showing this is something that would have been planned for very meticulously in for an extended period of time and then also that a lot of these weapons did manage to penetrate deep inside israeli airspace, deepen sayyed the territory of israel. i think a lot of people wouldn't believe that the iranians would've been able to pull that off especially in light of the fact that we knew that it wasn't just to the israelis who are going to help shoot these missiles down. but also that the us and maybe some other nations would be involved as well. so i think by and large the iranians believed that for their purposes that they achieved what they wanted to achieve at least so far. but of course they do still understand that it's a very very, very precarious situation right now in the greater middle east. and that all of this could still go in a very bad direction. that could be very violent, both fred >> pleitgen with the latest on what's going on inside iran in the aftermath of their decision to launch this retail how are you tori strike against israel rushing all that very, very

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>> and i look, let him i'll mccluskey how about >> these early pictures for a little while ago in the negative, israel or iranian rockets and missiles coming in being intercepted by various air defense missile systems. that is israel has, but you can see some of the degree going down and it can be very, very dangerous indeed, we're watching all of this unfold in this latest escalation of this conflict between israel and iran. i want to bring it's either and global affairs analyst mark esper, who served as defense secretary under former president trump. he also works with some aerospace and defense technology companies but mr. secretary, thanks so much for joining us. give us immediate reaction to this direct attack from iran against israel, launching all of these drones, rockets, missiles, going after various targets in

israel charbel up, it's good to be with you. first of all, look, i'm a little surprised by the scale and scope of the iranian attack. it's clearly disproportionate. i expected to see something much smaller and maybe something that did not hit israel proper. and so this is a really significant escalation. and when you stop the back and look over the decades, you can see since the iranian revolution in 1979, when iran and israel broke off relations this is the first time that i can recall that direct confrontation between these two countries. >> and a >> major change, of course, in the proxy wars, the last 20 years between the two. so i think we're seeing a major political point in the middle east certainly between these two countries. and i think it's unclear where this goes from now, i suspect i'm fairly confident that israel will respond. but how each side moves back and forth up the escalation ladder from there it can really open up until a much wider regional war jim sciutto

and i spoke a little while ago with a john bolton, the former us ambassador to the united nations, former national security adviser to them, president >> trump. he said that what israel and maybe the united states should think about doing is at least in the short run, is try to destroy whatever nuclear capabilities the array dns might have because he is concerned if iran were to build a bomb and put it on one of those rockets or missiles. it could be devastating that israel, at least israel, should think about going in launching an airstrike and destroying or runs remaining nuclear capability. what do you say to that? >> i'd say first one, when i was an office in late 2019, early 2020, when we looked at options, of course, we always present the president a number of options and some of them can be quite tactical and some of that can be very strategic. now in this case, clearly the ball is in the hands of the israelis. i'm sure prime minister netanyahu is now looking, working with this work candidate, trying to figure out what to do next and looking at

a similar set of options, i suspect that they will be discussed with the united states and he asked to ask himself, what does he want to do next? that clearly, the iranian nuclear program would be a strategic target of great value, but it's a very difficult one. it's an interior of the country, it's well defended a little bit hard to get two the israeli's may look at something operationally more easy and could open up the door to other things. so for example taking out the iranian air defense systems on the eastern side of the persian golf, which would open up a door, so to speak, that attack other targets within a country or israel may say, look i want to go at some of their defense industrial base, for example, it's fairly well-known where they produce their drones and items like that. cruise missiles. maybe they want to take out a major factory. so it depends on what you want to accomplish with this next strike, because you don't know whether it will be your last one or whether it will be one of many to come. and so i think those considerations get wade out. now, a part of this

problem to the wolf is is there was a very capable air force and the challenge will be, is will they get over flight rights, for example, to fly across the and jordan and saudi arabia wherever the case may be, to attack israel if they want to do it through airstrikes as compared to missile strikes i suspect the arab countries will say no because they don't want to get involved in this as well and be complicit in what would look like would clearly be an israeli counter attack. so there are all these different issues you have to figure out what you want to strike. how do you want to go about doing it? >> what the force is? can you commit, will the united states support what type of support from united states do you need? i think all those things are now being discussed and a lot more detail >> stand by for a moment. jim sciutto is with the mr. secretary. he's got a follow up question for you. mr. >> secretary, if israel were to make that strategic decision to strike iranian nuclear, asked sets, would that by definition involve the us, for instance, there has been discussion that

israel could not penetrate iranian air defenses. you would you would require us help there, but even separating that out, would the us effectively becoming evolve because iran would hold the us responsible and strike back. i mean, the question is, if israel were to make that decision, would it be making the decision for the us as well? >> a gym, it's it's a great question. i don't want to get too much into it it's fair to say, and in many the options that will probably be presented to prime minister benton benjamin netanyahu. some us resistance will be required some more than others in different scenarios and situations. in all case, of course, when israel response the united states want to make sure it's defenses are up, it's well dispersed and prepared for a strike by iran against the united states, because i think clearly that time iran will begin blaming the united states as well for any complicity in an israeli counter attack what do you think mr. secretary, if you had a guess? what do you think the

israeli response is going to be >> yeah, look, i think they have again, a very capable air force that would be an option out there, but i think missile strikes into the interior of iran looking at strategic targets a possibly parts of the iranian nuclear complex. again, maybe part of their missile complex as well to knockouts strategic sites, to knock them back a while. >> there may be some other >> targets where they see that are useful to a iran as they support proxy forces like hezbollah and the houthi. so i think all those different options are on the table, but clearly they're going to strike back. they're going to strike into the heart of iran. look, they may go after a the leadership as well. who knows. >> and so this is >> where it gets really tricky because it's hard for me to see iran not striking back at that point in time, it would be the first time. again that i can recall that another nation,

aside from the iran iraq war, that israel least to struck into the interior of iran and to me i think the iranians would be compelled to strike back again. so here you go, back-and-forth up the escalation ladder. so this is where it gets really dangerous. and again, the potential of a wider war really becomes far more likely. >> i got one final question before i let you go, mr. secretary, are oren liebermann at the pentagon, his reporting that defense secretary lloyd austin has asked its really counterpart you have galanti israeli ministry of defence, to at least give the us advanced word on when the israelis are going to respond. do you think that's realistic? >> yes, i do. we always had close communication between us and israelis. me and my counterpart who at the time was benny gantz, who is now a member of the war cabinet. and of course, our military's work very closely together. we definitely want to know what they're doing, what they're planning for any number of reasons, again, to make sure that not just our troops, but america in the area are

safeguarded if that's necessary, we'd want to make sure that we are forces of property position to respond or at least being defensive posture. and look, there may be ways we can help them. i'm sure right now, we're sharing intelligence about various things. and so i do think it's very realistic. i think you'll see a lot of coordination and not just with them. i think the united states will also at least should be talking to our arab partners in the region as well. they have a lot of interests here nearly every arab country in the region houses some type of american troops in the thousands. in many cases. and so there's very close cooperation between this two. it'll be very interesting to see how arabic capitals and arab leaders play this out in the coming days because look, they're no fans of iran. and this is part of the reason why going back to october 7, why i believed october 7 happened because we were beginning to see the potential of a normalization between saudi arabia and israel against iran that could eventually bring in other arab

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helped save over 2 million pets >> welcome back to the breaking news coverage are the latest developments between israel and iran. iran has been launching hundreds of rockets and missiles and drone strikes against israel. oren liebermann is over the pentagon for us getting new information. i take it the wave of iranian strikes coming into israel seems to be slowing down a bit. is that right? oren very much. so we're hearing that according to two us officials have been monitoring this from the very beginning. and they say that appears the wave of iranian attacks that has included drones and missiles has subsided. it lasted approximately five hours from the reports of the first iranian drones that were launched until the us and israel, which have been monitoring this, saw effectively the number of launches dip and begin to eb. now of course, the officials i spoke with also caution that it is a very volatile dynamic situation, so it doesn't mean this is over, right now in the, is still very carefully watching what's going on.

there is at least an indication that is real, believes the immediate threat has passed as well. and that's because the idf's home front command lifted the request for citizens to remain near bomb shelters. that's a request that's only lifted when the idf believes the imminent threat has passed. so an indication from the israeli sayyed and two us officials from the from here effectively saying that from what they're seeing and they had been monitoring these attacks from the very beginning. it looks like these waves of attacks of drones and missiles have, at the moment subsided. that being said, us forces which have helped intercept many of these drones as they were on their way to israel. they're still looking out for any possible launches coming from iran. and of course this doesn't mean that everyone has stopped attacking because after we saw the iranian attacks subside, we saw hezbollah on iranian proxy in lebanon launching missiles, launch of weapons, i should say rather at northern israel. so not to send anyway, the situation has ended or is com, here, but at least from the us perspective, officials, we've spoken with have said they have

seen the specifically the director iranian attacks subside at least as of right now, wolf, very interesting the us as we know, has intercepted a lot of these incoming or rainy and rockets and missiles and drones outside of israeli aerospace as they're approaching israel from iran going over syria or iraq for jordan or whatever. has the, as the pentagon officially confirmed that the us has engaged together with israel intercepting incoming iranian missiles and rockets they have not yet said missiles as of right now, the intercepts, the engagements have been focused on drones, but they have confirmed that here at defense official as well as two other >> us officials, saying that us forces in the region and there are forces throughout the region, iraq, syria, jordan, and beyond have indeed engaged and intercepted iranian drones that were launched towards israel we don't yet have a number on that. there were dozens, if not more than 100 launched edx israel so that number could be anywhere in

there. that's information we're still looking for and we don't yet know how they were intercepted. was it us fighter jets that we're likely up throughout the course of these five hours or so, was it ground-based aerial defense systems? both are very much a possibility. and then of course, as you point out, wolfe, this was a defensive, essentially array that was coordinated with israel. israel has its own very capable aerial defense systems from long-range, midrange is short range but they relied as well in the to try to intercept as many of the incoming launches as possible. >> yeah, the israeli air defence missile system, rather the iron dome or any of the others that they really work well once these rockets and missiles are over israeli airspace, but outside of israeli airspace, they're relying on the united states to get the job done. and clearly the us is doing so in coordination with the israelis, oren liebermann with the pentagon. thanks again for your excellent, excellent reporting. and we'll take another quick break. we'll be right back

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>> i'm arlette saenz at the white house. >> and this is cnn there could be the start of a full-scale war between israel and are this is what happened in the negative just a little while ago, rockets coming in, israeli

air defense systems are going up i like the iron dome intercepting and causing those explosions, the sirens going off, even in jerusalem for several hours earlier tonight as well. jim sciutto, this is clearly a delicate, very delicate moment in the middle east right now, it could come down on the other hand, it could escalate into a full-scale war we are in the midst of what they call an escalation ladder, right? just as mark esper was saying a short time ago, you had the israeli presumed israeli strike on an iranian target in damascus just a couple of weeks ago which around said it was going to retaliate for now we have the retaliation which the us has mj was describing earlier says is disproportionat e, to have this massive attack on israeli territory itself is a step up. so then the question is, how does israel respond? the whole thing about escalation ladder is that each step can be bigger than the last one, right? and when you have for instance, folks like

john bolton calling now for strikes on iranian nuclear facilities. that's not to say that israel will choose to do so, but you do have that option and that's the difficulty in the danger of escalation ladders, is that they expand, they can expand by nature as they go on and sometimes beyond the limits of what either side wants, right? because we were discussing this earlier that from the early days of this conflict going back to october 7, of course, are horrific tack attack and escalation of its own. there had been some assessments that iran did not want a direct conflict with israel and certainly not a direct conflict with the us. but since then, actions have taken on a life of their own and there are at least setting up the circumstances for exactly. let that and that is the danger of this that whatever your intentions are limitations of one side might want to place going in as they consider their range as you've options. you can easily lose control of that and that's

where we find ourselves right now. yeah delicate, very sensitive moment. i want to bring in former director of communications for the us national intelligence service, john turn his journey a sean, thanks very much. what's your immediate reaction? to this direct attack from iran against israel involving more than 200 drones and missiles that according to the israel defense forces yeah well thanks for having me. you don't like a lot of people have said tonight, i think that when we look at this, we look at what happened prior to this and the proportionality of this attack. i think a lot of us are a little taken aback by love. a lot of folks have been on tonight and they'd been talking about the idea that this is the time to deal with iran so once and for all, and i think a lot of people are feeling the heat of the moment. >> i think we can't >> lose sight of the fact that as we talk about escalation is jim was just talking about is mark esper talk about we've got to remember that a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about israel and hamas, and

that war that fight to the degree that this escalates, israel could find itself in a situation where it's really fighting a to perhaps even a three front war as hezbollah looks to get into this. so my immediate reaction to this is yes, this was an unprecedented attack to see iran attacking israel from a rotting and soil directly into israel precedent, didn't. and when we look at the number of rockets and missiles and drones above, we've got to remember that for israel and israel has to respond to this and we have to take a step back and look at the type of targets they might respond to. and what those targets look like. because israel has a fight that it has a deal within gaza and hamas, given the scale of this iranian attack, retaliatory against israel over these past few hours, what kind of response sean, would you expect to see from israel? >> yeah. there are a couple of different factors i think impact >> that wolff unit. i want to

earlier tonight, jim, as secretary esper, about whether or not that's responsive attacking nuclear facilities in iran is it kind of thing that united states would be drawn into? i want to answer that question very directly and say absolutely yes it would be and that's why i think that it's important for israel to look at some of the other potential targets in iran that do a couple of things. one, deal directly with iran, capability with their military capability now there are lots of targets there that could deal with as a circulatory, esper said, drones their ability to manufacturer missiles and rockets. and i think all of those things are fair game. but it's also the case that we have to remember that the global sort of reaction to israel's actions in gaza as it relates to the policy finance has shifted. and so when we look at targets in iran that might impact the iranian people, that has to be something that's considered. so i think that the response needs

to be one that sends a clear message to iran that israel is not going to allow to have the capability to launch the attack we saw tonight. but it also has to be the kinda attack where the united states steps in and says look, we can't continue to escalate this. everyone knows that no one has better intelligence on iran, nuclear capability and those facilities than the united states. so if israel decides, oh, attack those capabilities, the united states is definitely going to be drawn in and we've got to avoid that. >> all right? standby. we're going to get back to you. we're going to continue our special coverage just ahead. we're now getting word. do reporting coming out of the white house will share that with you right after this >> what is it about the titanic >> why >> are we so obsessed with this ship

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to the security of israel. i told him that israel demonstrated a remarkable capacity to defend against an defeat, even unprecedented attacks, sending a clear message shoots photos that they cannot effectively threatened the security of israel. so wolf, we're getting the first sort of clear indication of how the us is discussing with israel these or-awn attacks against israel. i'm also learning from a senior administration official wolf, that in this phone call with the prime minister, the president made clear to his counterpart, that the us will not participate in any offensive operations. against iran. so that is really significant, drawing a line on what the us is not willing to do given what we've seen tonight with the us's involvement here in helping to knock down some of these weapons that iran had launched. and in fact, according to the same senior administration

official wolf, the us is assessing smith earlier this evening, was that almost all of the drones and missiles i'm told, including more than 100 ballistic missiles launched by iran, had been knocked out of the sky. and that no cruise missile made impact in israel according to this official, and that nothing of value was hit. we were talking about earlier in the evening how the process is still unfolding of getting a full assessment of iran's attacks against israel. and this is the assessment that we are getting right now that the president in fact told the prime minister that the assessment is that he should take this as a win because the us is assessment is that largely speaking ron's attacks and attempts to hurt israel had been largely unsuccessful. so this is a pretty critical piece of reporting our first piece of reporting sort of getting a really clear sense of what the

us is assessment is of a ron's attacks and also how the president is viewing all of this on how he spoke about this with the israeli prime minister was very, very strong statement of support for israel from the president of united states following his phone conversation today with the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, we're of course going to stay on top of this mj. thank you very much for your reporting and to our viewers, thanks very much for joining me. are special live coverage. wilkin can you with jim sctto right after this quick break >> you need t-mobile home into wait timo has home internet >> when you own a small business, every second counts save time marketing, constant contact with email, sms, and social posts all in one place. >> so >> you still have time to make

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