like a spooky $0.06 might be a phenomenally better sense of hearing are better sense of smell. and so when you get multiple signals that i'll say something is different, something is happening, or maybe it's nighttime crickets, birds drop in, temperature, suddenly dark, or starting to get dark. all of those may make a very different picture to an animal. it has a different sensory set than it does to us. >> they also >> haven't spent the last couple of weeks hyping this up for those so they don't know that it's coming the same way. we are all getting really excited about it. i think any of those range of responses could potentially be at play >> yeah. >> very good point, but maybe they know that we are hyped up. as you said, these domesticated animals do play off of our behaviors. so we'll have to see dr. lily so great to talk to you. i know a lot of people are curious about this thank you. >> or gets you are viewing glasses ready? you will join me. hopefully. and boris

sanchez for cnn's live coverage of the eclipse across it america. that's going to start monday at one eastern, or you can stream it on macs as well. and thank you for joining us, cnn news night with abby phillip starts now did the unconditional >> just become conditional? that's tonight on news nine good evening. >> i'm abby philip in new york and tonight, the foundation of the most important allied relationship, perhaps on the planet suddenly look really relief iron clad, and now it looks like the picture of instability this is the image rattling around the globe tonight, the president of the united states, joe biden, intense conversation with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu he cautioned the leader of the middle east, only

democracy, the change is required if you wants to keep america on its side. now the two men have been circling these issues for months now, the private disagreements have always had the potential to throw this decades long marriage off track. now, those issues look more and more irreconcilable after a brutal and bloody airstrike killed seven aid workers whose mission was only to feed the starving people of gaza the mood in and around the west wing this week centers on words like these shaken, outraged heartbroken, horrific, unacceptable cnn is reporting tonight, then netanyahu owned the mistake on that call with biden. he admitted that the idf screwed up and assured biden it wouldn't happen again. and word of that promise follows a lengthy and a stern readout from the white house, a document that lists demands of israel announcing and then following through on specific

concrete and measurable steps all aimed at stopping more innocence from starving from being blown apart by missiles with that aim now a senior us official tells cnn tonight that the call featured know sparring, no red lines, no specific actions on israel's part that would force the united states to alter how it treats it. but the fact that this conversation, even happened at all represents an undeniable see change for a president and for a country that has always had israel's back >> we will not stand by and do nothing again. not today. not tomorrow, not ever. >> you frustrated with primitive protected yahoo that is not more to cover the things you have asked him to do thank you a little longer than my hope. >> with regard to when is this going to stop? i think it's going to stop when the when hamas and no longer maintains the capacity to murder and a

brief views >> quietly working >> with israeli government to get them to reduce, significantly get out aid flowing to gaza is nowhere nearly enough. now it's nowhere nearly enough. the hands of hamas right now in an offer, rational offer really is ever agree to it >> and tonight one democratic lawmaker says that the strike that blew up quite literally seven aid workers was no accident kinda see congressman steve cohen labeled the strike either gross and competence or total disregard for the safety and lives of aid workers. congressman cohen, join me, live now from miami, sir. thank you for staying up with us tonight. i want you to listen to what your colleague and the

senate side, senator bernie sanders told cnn earlier today >> tomorrow, mind israel should not be getting another nickel in military aid. untold these policies are fundamentally changed. so if you know, my view is no more military aid to israel when children in gaza are starving >> i'm wonder, do you agree with that? not another nickel going to israel? >> no, i don't agree with that because i think we should help israel with its defensive weapons at any time. but the iron dome, david slang hamas was still shooting missiles, rockets. that is real and i think they've been doing it. i don't know how recently but pretty recently and putting israelis lives at risk i think you might want to put some restrictions on offensive weapons, which israel also needs and wants and the fight to eradicate the threat from hamas, which is right and which

needs to be eradicated. but no, i don't think we should ever stop giving defensive weapons to israel to protect themselves from hamas, which has sworn to want to destroy israel from this ocean to the sea, off from the river to the sea. and wants to get rid of the jewish people. that's part of their constitution as part of their mantra it's what they do >> so i just to be clear, i think am i hearing you say that you would support i conditioning or even restricting offensive aid, meaning the bombs that are dropping offensively in gaza, but not defensive aid, like arming the iron don't and other things like that. >> that that's that's right. if if it meant and i will not do what the president is asked, which is to have more aid, more humanitarian aid, more than he's opened up another entry point and the north four says he will for humanitarian aid and another port.

>> and i suggested this >> israel to two or three months ago to have more entry points, particularly in the north. and they should have done that. but if they don't do that and if they don't start to have more careful use of their weaponry, they killed three israeli hostages who had escaped and waving white flags. and one of them had gotten out and retreated after his colleagues were killed. and then he came out speaking hebrew and they killed him too. so apparently some of the israeli soldiers we've gotten a feeling about the idf that they're like the folks at one the six-day war and that their, their master military people like moshe dianne, well, they're not and lot of them are young and have been called an action and maybe they're not being told to be more careful and more concerned because they're dealing with a group that just killed 1,200 israelis and they're really emotional about it but no, they net net and i was not good for israel right now. he's a pariah in many parts of the world and he's hurting israel and he's hurt politically, a

lot of people who had supported him for years, including president biden. >> so do you trust israel to carry out a thorough investigation as they've promised to do, and for there to be accountability for what happened here and those other incidents that you talked about you're talking about one, but there are many other serving 196 aid workers killed since the start of this war well, we hope they'll do it. i don't know what they'll do. they they said that one of the problems here was that it was at night and that they couldn't see the world central food, food markings on the top of the truck, vehicles, and they may not have been able to see him, but if it was at night, it was interesting. they were able to hit all three of the vehicles travelling ball and a half a part are 1.2 miles apart, hit them all precisely where they were supposed to hit them, their targets, they were perfect and if they, if they have a problem, but night where

they can identify the vehicles than they shouldn't be shooting at night. if that's such a problem don't be shooting at night because it's obviously they are not capable of discerning friend from foe to one, one quick thing congressman the white house made it pretty clear that the president wasn't explicit in exactly what they want israel to do it in terms of do this. and this will happen should the white house be crystal clear with israeli officials publicly or privately about what they need to see in order to be assured that enough is being done to provide aid to protect civilians. all of the things that we've been discussing well, i think president biden probably was explicitly clear with net nyu about aid, about protecting >> humanitarian workers, about protecting civilians. and about getting the hostages released. and opening up those poor say, they've opened up the ports

already allegedly, that's the white house aside. i don't think we'll see a change in that, but net and i was not done anything. in six months into the war. and hamas needs to be eliminated, but israel needs to be very cautious about how they're using their offensive military tactics so that innocence is every time i see a child who's lost a leg are been killed. it just it's just horrific. it brings trauma to you and tears to your eyes and your heart. and we need to stop that. and when jose andreas address is one of the kind of he's an angel himself. he referred to as workers as angel. he's an angel going into these areas all over the world trying to help people in need. and for israel to have not been capable of getting the information from them which they gave was those cars being on a certain road and what kind of cars they were not protecting them and giving all possible precautions that just

it's it's an excusable and the fault goes from the top. and you when you're at the top, you need to accept responsibility. and i don't think net-net. i was ever accepted responsibility for anything he certainly didn't accept responsibility for the champagne he was given in the cigars, he was given a has got him right ready to go to jail because he may go to jail. he didn't want to give up the leadership. he didn't want to give up the position. he wants to maintain power because we didn't have power. he's labile, end up in jail hi, congressman steve cohen. we appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you >> free the hostages >> thank you, sir >> and joining me >> now is washington post columnist josh rogan, also with us, aaron david miller, a former state department middle east negotiator and a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment. aaron, i want to start with you you mentioned we mentioned that israel is now opening the erez crossing and the use of the ashdod port to bring more humanitarian aid into gaza. there was a report

about a usa id cable that just this week that said that there was enough flour waiting outside of ashdod defeat about one point five million people for five months. do you think that those moves or a direct reaction to the biden administration and the tone that they've been taking in recent days about what happened earlier this week with those aid workers i do. and every thanks for having me in six months. have you administration has been reluctant to actually refuse to impose a single cost or consequence on for policies that the administration believes undermining american interests. and frankly undermining israeli interests as well. so the one good thing about pressure is a use of the stick. if you don't have to use it and you can credibly argue that if in fact x, y, and z doesn't happen, then maybe you'll have to use it the administration succeeded. i think there's a direct

causality. there's no question about it. and the reality is abby, that the administration has asked these really to do something that they can do that they could have done months ago it's political the israeli public is not interested in facilitating assistance to palestinians when hundred and 34 hostages, you're still, are still being held. particularly women are probably been abused and the government had no incentive to do that as well. so i think yeah, i think the fact is the administration who knows it precisely what the president said to the prime minister? about what would happen, what the us might do if in fact, the administration didn't take and prioritize humanitarian assistance seriously. now the question is to monitor and ensure that in effect, areas is open. the

israelis become less resistant with respect to inspections. i think franklin it was a good move on. i party administration and it's going to have a good impact just to underscore what you just said. i mean, the proof is gonna be in the pudding. there have been announcements before in the past about things opening up and they haven't opened up aid hasn't moved josh. i mean, you've just recently this week wrote about this issue. you're headline is that as famine looms in gaza, the us humanitarian strategy is failing. i mean, you've been calling for the us to use a carrot and stick approach. do you get the sense that the that, that is the strategy? this moment and is the concern now inside the us government, what you're concerned about, which is imminent famine and the need to get just basic hygiene products into gaza. >> right? well, i generally agree with everything that

aaron said. i'm just a little less impressed by the administration's move and the israeli reaction because as i pointed out in that article 1.1 million people are facing catastrophic food insecurity in northern and central gaza 30% of children under the age of two in northern gaza are facing acute malnutrition. famine is imminent. in for 1 million people. and if you think about that and then you look at what they've done, okay. well, we didn't use pressure. we threatened to use pressure and they promised to do something to alleviate it. maybe it'll work out, maybe it won't. the record shows that these threats are less effective in getting the israelis to fulfill their promises, then we hope and it's just woefully insufficient to deteriorate their address. they deteriorate rating and catastrophic situation in gaza, in my opinion, and i think that's just a reflection of the fact that the administration is still not really willing to do anything concrete to address the larger problem which aaron

alluded to, which is that it's not really about opening one more opening here or a port there. there, there's thousands of trucks sitting at the ports that are already opened, that are delayed by an onerous there's an arbitrary inspection process that turns away things like scissors in medical kits or sleeping bags because they're the color green or dates because they have pits in them and the pits somehow our threat to the israeli army and this kind of capricious and arbitrary inspection processes exacerbating the suffering of millions of people, many of them starving. so i think that for sure we could say that this is a small step in the right direction. but to see the biden administration just dragged into making this decision by the mounting criticism, both inside the democratic party around the world, around the region and so reluctantly the edge towards the idea of using pressure is excruciating not for just us as americans who don't want to be complicit in what amounts to the watching

the star, an ally star of a millionaire to some people, but also the damage that it does to us credibility around the world and our ability to confront any other countries that are using food as a weapon of war. so i'm i'm, i'm, i can't say i'm optimistic. i hope this has followed up by a lot more accurate. >> yeah, there's still a lot to be seen not just said, but seen on the ground in terms of how this all plays out, josh rogan and aaron david miller. thank you, both very much. >> thank you >> next, it's a one-two punch to trump's legal state legal teams as courts reject efforts to end two of his criminal cases. again, in stem, i'll talk with some legal experts about what happens next. and no candidate for no labels. they officially will not feel that third party candidate i'll discuss what happened happens next with that group with my panel plus one of the nation's biggest research universities is firing dozens of employees. it's the consequence of a state laws that is targeting diversity, equity, and

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a rough legal day for donald trump. he was hit with two major setbacks in the classified documents case and also in that georgia election subversion case for more on all of this, i want to bring in former watergate prosecutor nick ackerman, along with senior editor of above the law, joe patrice nick, judge cannon didn't dismiss the case, like trump wanted, but she also left open the possibility that this issue of the presidential records act could come up. again. why would she do that? >> i think she just couldn't bring herself to admit that she was wrong either that or she doesn't really understand what the presidential records act is. it's one or the other the progress along act by the way. >> yeah. i >> mean, it's pretty straightforward. yeah. just simply says it's a civil statute that says all presidential papers belong to the people, the united states period, the end, it has nothing to do with any of the allegations in this case. and

what she has done is she justified her crazy request to both sides to come up with a jury instruction on the presidential records act. and yet she's still doesn't admit that that was stupid. and she's leaving it open to what might happen during the jury and stuff direction. so the real problem dilemma that jack smith finds himself in is how does he make sure that this case does not go to a jury where a jury is sworn in, jeopardy attaches, and then judge cannon suddenly comes up with a crazy charge about the presidential records act, which is totally off base. but yet could wind up acquitting donald trump and the government is stuck because the double jeopardy and jack smith, he wanted this to be dealt with now and it was not. so what does he do now? >> well, i mean, now now the the stakes are does he go to

the 11th circuit and say, hey, i want a writ of mandamus here. that is a drastic step. it is the ultimate go to your room. thing that an appellate court can say to a district judge but at this point, i feel as though that's what he has to try. right? you're right. i mean, it's very hard to get an appeals court to actually intervene at this time. you don't have an automatic right to appeal and a federal case, what you can do under extraordinary circumstances is to get a writ of mandamus it's and jack smith's argument will be these are extraordinary circumstances. this judge messed up big tent. >> this is a pretty this is a pretty big deal in that case. i mean, it's a loss for trump, but at a huge dilemma for jack smith in the georgia case, another loss for trump, that case was not thrown out on the supposed free speech, right? >> do >> you think that that issue is settled in that case? >> legally settled politically know, this is going to continue

to be something i actually don't think that trump's folks believed that this was illegal winner. but i think they feel this as a political winner for them because it makes there's some superficial visceral sense that they can say we're being donald trump all it alleges he did is speak and talk to some people. he's being prosecuted for speech, which is not what's happening. and i think judge mcafee does a great job of explaining that nuance and how criminal enterprise is actually the problem here. but i think they want to keep this going and keep this talking public sphere >> as a prosecutor, i mean, i always started off explaining to a jury this case is about lying and stealing. it's not just about lying because if you just lied and you didn't still there wouldn't be a problem. and so this case is about buying the public officials, lying to people and using that to try and steal the election for joe biden. that's what the case is about >> real quick. i last thing before you guys go, fani

willis, not out of the hot water yet. some of trump's allies who are also being tried, trying to get her gadd's. but there's a risk here. trump talks about this case a lot two, could this backfire >> oh, much more. so i mean, trump has accused her of being racist. trump has accused her of a whole series of various crazy things. and so what's good for the goose is good for the gander. so i don't see how they're going to get very far with this all right like >> ackerman, joe trees, lots going on as always, and the legal sphere. thank you both very much. what everyone thought would happen has actually happened. no labels wrote a very big check that it could not cat ash plus, to quote taylor swift haters gonna hate, hate, hate angel reese shakes it off with a splashy announcement about going pro and in the process triggers the sports media world that's next on this side >> get your viewing glasses

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donald trump back into the white house, was the responsible thing to do. at least that's what the group's founder and ceo says, or what she says, right now? less than a month ago, the group held a convention where they didn't the thing without actually doing the thing. that thing being promising to choose a presidential standard bearer without actually making that choice now, today's shrug of an ending to what most political observers called a pipe dream since its inception clashes dramatically with virtually everything anyone from no labels has told reporters, after reporter for months on end we're not entered to take from sides. we're going to win it. we'd want to put them a ticket. i can really compete. >> we think this is the moment for a bipartisan unity ticket. >> if not, now, when we look forward to telling you in the nation about that process, we have a chance to witness things. this is very important for america and i'm very pleased about the process as well thought out >> joining me now is former gop

senior congressional advisor, arena also with us rolling stone columnist michael jay michaelson rena wow, what an ending to no labels state they were on the ballot in 21 states. actually, they said they spoke to 30 people about doing this thing. no one wanted to do it. how could this have happened >> all that money, millions of dollars right >> and >> so embarrassingly, and end at the top of march, they convened 800 delegates virtually. they were going to do something it felt like, and then they had a while person vetting committee. this thing always wreaked a back dealing in a way. and i think the dark bunny aspect always stuck out to me. it's like who is funding this, who wants this? and what do they want? they wanted a unity ticket. they want to put one-fourth. they said, what was that unity ticket even going to be about? we know this election is a little bit it less about ideas and more about personality, but even had they found the right personalities abbey, where was the thing going? so i'm just not that surprising to crash

and burn >> i mean, $70 just in a dumpster set on fire. where does this monday go now? >> i don't know. you know, you're in trouble when the >> rock said yes to live-action while i but said no, it's running for president of people asked him to run for president. that's right that's where as he's cost-benefit is like, i'll do the reshoot of maulana, but not this no, i think look, it's no labels, no constituent so you're right, there is not. the fact is they're trying to be a reasonable alternative to biden into trump. but if you're reasonable, there's already one reasonable person running, right? you have to be an unreasonable alternative like rfk junior and the claim that there's some space here where there could be a centrist candidate does speak to, i think what a lot of americans are saying. obviously we know that both of the candidates or unpopular. but at the same time, there's not a fake unity ticket when it's just the word unity that doesn't make it. so well, speaking of >> rfk junior, he is actually day-by-day trying to gain ballot access. he's got a running mate he may be one reason that no labels didn't find a constituency but or is

this a warning to him that there's really nowhere to go here? are the differentiator between no labels and rfk junior, is that no labels had already taken up an access line, a ballot on the ballot in certain places so again, all that money did go somewhere, even though it's now obviously a futile effort and all that money was also spent on polling to see how well whomever could have done, right. but even their own polling showed that they would tip the scale in favor of trump with rfk junior. what i'm looking at is fine. you've got a really moneyed running mate, but i have done this before with evan mcmullin in 2016 and yes, we were sort of last minute sprint, but it is very hard to get on the ballot. and the amount of effort that no labels took. i was thinking that maybe they'll take rfk junior if they're smart i really don't know how he and shanahan will do the thing even with all her gobs of money is a really uphill climb. and so i think again, we're talking a lot about him as a spoiler, but we need to know where he ends up on the ballot

and how because that just is going to change the entire electoral college on average, that gives me a lot of comfort that you said that i was minimized thing the candidacy earlier and now i've started like losing sleep over it. so thank you. >> back >> better >> tonight. >> so interestingly enough, someone named karl rove has some advice for joe biden. take a listen if they were smart, they take the january 6 and go hard at it and they would say he wants to pardon these people who attacked >> our capital hi those sons who did that. we ought to find him try them and send them to jail if it one, of the critical mistakes made in this campaign is a donald trump has now said, i'm going to pardon those people because they're hostages. no, they're not they're thugs the, last part is the other part that caught my eye. i mean, trump is notably savvy about his voters, but even karl rove thinks that

this is a fatal mistake for him hold up the january 6 insurrectionists as hostage. well, yeah. i mean, you know, we're in the 2024 timeline when i'm agreeing with karl rove this is basically is a snapshot of the world in which we live. but he's absolutely right, right. i mean, trump knows how to how to cater to his base, but moderate republicans certainly moderate democrats, they are not on board with it happened on january 6. i mean, i can't even get the words out and they certainly don't think that these people are political prisoners, are hostages but they're people are eating their own dog food a lot. this is a lot of conspiracy and conspiracy. now there's like this claim from a gop member of congress that actually the fbi and trap the riders on january 6. oh, i mean, >> that was a claim by a whole presidential candidate, vivek ramaswamy. >> that's right. yeah. this does not play on main street right. and this is not so i think karl rove is, right. that again, thinking about the reasonable alternative, and this is the other thing that it does, give me a little bit of comfort when i look at some the bad polls, right? most people not the ones probably watching

tonight, but most people are still not paying a lot of attention to this election. and when these videos come out with trump praising these people and all the other stuff that trump does on a seemingly daily basis that gives me also a bit of confidence that's where it gives me chills to see that news against the backdrop of the us capitol. and i think we need to remind our fellow americans were not plugged in who are not engaged, just what's on the line this is not about to bad choices. one is fatally, fatally worse than the other because he has said he wants to be a dictator on day one, and he wants to walk that back. when i hear rfk junior speak and he walks back things that he said in the public sphere. i want him to suffer the same humiliation as donald trump's. so this is so important that we just take these messages and we promulgated them to the people well, that feel like, wow, another awful election. >> and yet it was, it was rfk junior who said that actually biden might be worse for democracy than trump to me, that's like saying like getting a shot as worse than getting the measles, which rfk know something about all right, guys, rena shaw, j. michelson. thank you both for being here tonight and next pink slips

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ei positions. notably, students of color make up more than half of ut austin student population and earlier this year, several cultural programs, identity groups on campus lost all of their university funding now, while all of this is happening, we are also seeing black students flocking to hbcus, historically black colleges and universities and that includes one led by my next guest joining me now is spelman college president helene gayle president gail, thank you for joining us tonight. when you see what is happening in austin, added all these other states that have similar laws that have been passed. how concerned are you about the effect on higher education in this country? >> so i'm one hand, as you said, we are getting record applications. >> so it's >> good from that standpoint, it's good for us on the other

hand, for the country, for our nation, it's bad. it is awful that our nation is saying that diversity no longer matters and so you know it's a good news, bad news story. if you will >> we have >> to if we think about where we are going to be as a nation over the next 30, 40 years >> we >> must think about how are we making sure that all of our children get the opportunity to the right education that fits for them as a president of an hbcu of course, we understand that more and more students are coming to us because they feel safe they build their nurtured, they feel that they are able to express who they are as

individuals. and that's great. >> but >> we can't take all the students in the nation and we have to think about what does it mean to to retrench from something that is important to who we are as a nation. >> yeah, i mean, in some ways the students aren't voting with their feet. it's not just spellmon that seeing this spellmon was up 13% just last year. but bunch of other hbcus are seeing increases. and it's also not just these anti-dei laws. it's also that really critical affirmative action decision at the supreme court. what are you hearing from your incoming students about? why they are choosing hbcus now, in this moment of so much cultural backlash so it's a chilling effect so our students are feeling like we want to go some

place where people want us, they want to be someplace eight and we're very selective institution the same students who come to spellmon could go to list all the names of elite schools and america. but there they are the best and the brightest, and they could go to any school in america and they are saying it matters to me to be at a school where i am going to be nurtured where i am going to be appreciated. we're who i am, is valued, where i look up and see people who look like me, who have achieved a lot and that means something to them because they know they're going to go out to work for us. were that's not going to be the case, but they will learn here how to value who they are and

be able to hold their own. any place in america. and not only in america were more global society anywhere the world. >> yeah, i know, i know quite a few spellmon grad, so i know exactly what you're referring to there. i know. i do want to ask you i want to play this for you. this is from the breakfast club charlemagne tha god, but he was on the daily show and he had this to say about dei in the workplace last night. listen >> the troph about dei, is that although was well-intentioned, it's mostly garbage. okay. it's kinda like the black little mermaid. just because race is hate, it doesn't mean as good and you know, i'm right because every one of you is set to one that those diversity training sessions and thought, this is in fact maybe the only thing that dei has accomplished is giving racist white people cover to be openly racist i wanted to get your reaction

because it's not he's not isolated in his views on that. probably a lot of people feel that way what's your reaction? >> yeah. well, you know, i think calling anything a label, it's become a label and people are not >> thinking beyond, what does that really mean there is no question that when you were brought to america as enslaved people there is a real difference between what our fate is, how we have been allowed into american society and the reality that there needs to be some way of thinking about how do you make sure? we are making up for the core basis in reality

>> call it what you want but at the end of the day, you cannot say that being brought here as enslaved individuals 400 years ago, building america and then being denied the very opportunities that area that america says it allows each into visual. >> there's not some, some >> dialogue there we have to have the dialogue. i don't care what you call it i think we have to have that >> yeah. it's such a fair point. it's not it's not about the acronym. it's about what it's supposed to be, what's supposed to signify spelman college president, dr. helene gayle. thank you very much. joining us tonight >> my pleasure. >> thanks for doing all that you do. thank you >> and up next you either >> graduated a hero or you live long enough to become a village i'm a sports commentator called a soon to be wnba star, a villain. carry champion is

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painted the bullseye on your back. why are you surprised when people shoot at you >> trying to me now, sports journalist and cnn contributor, carry champion. so >> luck. first of all, >> she is now going to the wnba. so she is not, she lost a game, but she is not a loser by any stretch of the imagination but why that reaction >> well, first of all, i think that i want to give just a little context. her saying that she was a self-proclaimed villain was based off an article that someone had wrote about the team. and she said, fine, i'll be your villain. and she's 21 years old and i'm going to keep saying that she's 21 years-old with the maturation of this young lady, we haven't even begun to see, are we began to see you rather. and i think it's unfair for us to say this is who she is. a man, your actual decided to give this critique and if he was really truly trying to help her, he would have called her up and said, listen, this is what this looks like he would not have went on a show to say that he's giving a gender neutral race-neutral take and

make it about her. it's impossible to do >> he's also talking about it's not, it's not just about people calling her name. she's talking about death threats. she's talking about she's had a tough time at this was before this moment. what's those even younger at that point? >> i think >> unfortunately, and i'll just i'll say the ugly thing out loud when a black woman with power really expresses herself in her full power, it makes people uncomfortable and that is what she did at 20 years i am allf me good, badly me, in differentnd it made everyonencomfortable. and so she decided, guesshat, 'm going to own it. noble for a couple of ons for me. t of a, she said willia way. but serena >> but also these these young women's college basketball players, angel reese, caitlin clark others, they are coming up in an era where they can now

have endorsements yeah, they can be famous. sure. people know their name. yeah. this is a different moment. well, these will, first of all, in the wnba, she will make less money in terms of all the money in which she made. she made over $2 million in name, image, and likeness. she's the highest nil that player that excuse me, athlete that we have currently in terms of women's sports so when she goes to the wnba, she is taking a bit of a pay cut. if you will. so i respect her for saying, look, i've done this here. you guys have you've had your fund with me. i want to championship i'm moving on to another level, but you have to understand these athletes nowadays are grew up in an age where they're not just going to allow you to say everything they are going to have their own opinion. and i know some people have a problem with that, but angel reese is a 21 year old little lady, young lady, not not physically little, but just a young lady and given her break, she is someone's child. she is someone sister. she is someone's dear friend. if she authors use so please don't

think that she doesn't have the same emotions that you're 21 year-old daughter would have yard that i have as a grown man, you were 21. i in men's sports. i think there was actually a time when men or women, they wanted the young athletes to come into the professional leagues and be and have their suits on. yeah, really be put together. and this generation, it's a generational thing as much as it is schiff. you're so right. she is what? she gen z. yeah. yeah. >> listen. >> yeah, i don't know. jen. >> no more no more letter different time. >> when >> you don't know say allen iverson? yeah. >> we >> for allen iverson hit the league. you in an nba, they wore suits he ward cornrows and he wore he was relaxed. he was himself. she's bringing her full self to work and that is okay. and the fact that people are criticizing her for trash talking or four, which is a rite of passage in any for any athlete criticizing her for

being herself is really unfair. and so all the hatred, all the vitriol, the death threats. she doesn't matter. we need to stop. i mean, it's unnecessary. have you ever been so disliked that someone wants to send you a death threat? is that unnecessary? yes, perhaps in our business, but my point being unfortunately, my point being is that that's sad. and there is nothing that she can do about who she is. she's coming into the world. she's figuring it out and i hope whoever's watching should know she deserves a braking. do not treat a 21 year-old kid deserves to have the opinions she has before you go though you made your predictions. we got for the championship. >> wow my bruins you know, if i put outs that lay by iowa, excuse me, by lsu speaking of angel reese, so i am going to tell you that i do believe that dawn staley and south carolina will win at all. i think it will be iowa and south carolina. i think don will avenge her loss to iowa in the final four and we will see her team win, which i'll be excited about, and i'll come back to tell you about it. that will be an electric thank you