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thanks so much. is it for us? thnews continues. i'll see you tomorrow. the source starts. now straight, from the source tonight, donald trump >> rejected the judge at the center of so much controversy, shuts down his attempt to get rid of the mar-a-lago case while blasting special counsel jack smith up for he told her essentially, she doesn't know what she's doing and president biden's ultimatum to benjamin netanyahu, do more immediately to protect civilians in gaza or the us could reconsider its support for israel real, the warning coming after the israeli strike that killed seven aid workers, is this a tipping point in the war? and a brazen break-in right out of a scene from ocean's 11 thieves, stealing $30 million in one of the largest cash heist in la history. so who done it a former bank robber, joint kansas to help crack the case i'm brianna keilar and for kaitlan collins, and this is
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the source just hours after former president trump sing her praises on social media, calling her a highly respected judge judge aileen cannon denied him something that he really wanted getting that mar-a-lago classified documents case dismissed. the former president, wanted the whole thing thrown out based on his repeated argument that the presidential records act allowed him to take what he wanted from the white house as personal records as every right to under the presidential records act, you have the presidential records act. i was there and i took what i told it, it gets declassified. the law that applies to this case is not the espionage act, but very simply the presidential records everything i did was under the presidential records act >> now, while those claims are according to many legal analysts, dubious, judge cannon
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didn't actually rule today on whether they're true, but she did say the act doesn't provide a pretrial basis to dismiss the case. bottom line here, the former president cannot escape prosecution without excuse. but the judge did leave the door open to the possibility that trump could still use the argument to defend himself at trial whenever that may be, cannon still has yet to set a date. >> and that wasn't >> the only blow the judge also delivered one to special counsel, jack smith if whose office told judge cannon this week that trump's central defense here, the presidential records act, and it permitted him to take personal records from his time in the white house, should have no bearing here because the papers trump took were clearly official and classified government documents, not personal ones. the special counsel wanted judge cannon to decide whether she'll allow trump to make this argument so that if she did, smith good. appeal her ruling. but the judge rejected smith's requests to rule promptly on the matter, calling
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his quote, demand unprecedented and unjust. now, whether or not the jury will hear this argument from trump, it could make or break the case and we're joined now by an attorney who used to represent former president trump in the classified documents case. jim trustee and jim. thank you so much for taking time to view with us. sure thing. >> so you pointed to the presidential records act repeatedly as to why this case should never have been brought with arguments like this one. let's listen the president under the presidential records act has unfettered authority to do what he wants with documents that >> he's taken from the white house while president, you look at the presidential records act, there is absolutely no basis for saying that bureaucracy rules and the president doesn't have the authority in trusted in him by the voters to possess and to declassify and to hold onto document, read the personal records for the presidential records act. there's the ability of any president to deem things as personal to say,
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i'm going to keep these as personal >> so i wonder, what is your reaction to judge cannon saying, quote, the presidential records act does not provide a pretrial basis to dismiss. >> well, i agree with that guy. we just heard from them. >> that's good news for him. but look >> what she talked about is this early juncture of saying i'm not going to grant it as a sunken to serve as a basis for pretrial dismissal. she is clearly no matter which side you're on and this litigation, she's clearly struggling with how the interaction goes between the presidential records act, which is a form of immunity for presidents and former president's frankly. and how that factors into a trial. how much of it's a legal determination, how much how much of it is a factual one. >> so >> she handed both sides some concern today. the president didn't get the huge win of being off the hook entirely and having to deal with the appeal but jack smith is apoplectic at this point about the notion that the presidential records act has some play in a case
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involving a former president. i think i stand by my analysis. it clearly does and that's why they're having all of these shenanigans about jury instructions that have jack smith and his underlings very worried about how this trial plays out. that's your analysis. if that were her firm analysis, she could have stood by it but she didn't. so what do you attribute that to? is that her in your opinion not wanting to ruffle feathers? >> i don't know about ruffling feathers, but it is kind of a a standard conservative approach from a judge to say, look, right now, i'm just dealing with the four corners of the indictment and that's what she specifically said in her order, and that means you assume everything is as the state or the prosecution has to say. so if the united states has a very lengthy as it did in this case, indictment that lays out their theory it's very hard pretrial vertice say, i'm going to find factually this is wrong. it's more ripe after she's heard evidence in the case at the conclusion of the government's case, or even later than that.
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and she again, she's she's struggling with a complex issue, i think, but she is i don't think doing anything that's kinda crazy from either perspective. she's saying, i want to hear from you guys about the presidential records act and that is absolutely forbidden territory for jack smith. they can't stand the notion that it plays in at all. >> yeah. because we very clearly are going to are very likely going to hear about this again, however, she does note that the counts trump is charged with make no reference to the presidential records act, nor do they rely on that statute for purposes of stating an offence does that matter? >> no. i mean, and of course not because it's a problem. even the search warrant way back when when they rated mar-a-lago, didn't have a word to say about the presidential records act i think it's because this is a complete about face by doj. if you look back at how they've treated every other president, every modern-day president including bill clinton and the litigation they have with judicial watch back in the mid 90s about his sock drawer full of tapes they've always said, hey, the
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president or former president has the authority to essentially possess these items and call them personal, either by actor, by deed. this is a real about face and i think she's struggling with that on the motion for differential treatment, dismissal for differential treatment? we're during arguments, she had some pretty pointed questions about that. >> then you bring it up here. jack smith says this theory came out, not from the lawyer, but from the head of judicial watch, which is a right-wing activist group, and he traces how it was introduced not as trump was in discussions with the government ahead of a surprise search this isn't something trump said. oh, yes, i have these documents and here's why i think that i can keep them. he didn't mention right. that he had them. this came out after the search many months later, not from his lawyers, but after he had gotten this information from a right-wing activists if it was something that trump really believed or that his legal team really believe, because one of his employees said the judicial watch, they did not believe that this was correct analysis.
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why wouldn't trump and put it out there? >> yeah. i don't accept the paradigm, i guess is the problem. what jack smith wants this court to believe? is that if you're a former president, you have to announce for all time to everyone on the day you leave office these are the documents that i possess. i'm deeming these ones personal and these other ones i'll talk to archives about turning over as presidential. that's just a false narrative. the false models, classified documents, you do actually have to do that though well, not under the presidential records act to executive order that's accepted and it's it's i mean, it's very clear, it's just legalistic >> and a to-do list of what you do to declassify at trump did not pursue that. >> you are well aware well, declassification is different than the pra, but let me just say this i think we've said from the beginning that people were representing him couple of classified documents wouldn't be personal records unless they had been declassified? >> no, it's not it's actually not connected to classification or declassification certificate, totally different paradigm. but let me just finish the thought i was saying, which is we've said from the beginning that the
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real problem here is document management. we can trust our presidents and former president's with secrets. we don't like wipe their brain clean and say you can't remember all the things you learned in your for eight years in office. so the idea that they'd have access or knowledge of these things is something we live with as a society issue of sending class so if i documents some place where they're not secure that are not what you mean last, you may like the garage in delaware, right? >> obviously that's not okay. right. okay. well, >> maybe it is maybe it is. i don't see a prosecution coming bathroom in mar-a-lago, a garage in delaware okay. those were turned back in as you are aware of, interests and trump turned in 15 boxes to archives, who then went out for the first time in history and said, my god, we have to make a criminal referral. we were finding certain document is cooperate. >> i mean, you're aware the >> presidential records act absolutely anticipates years so i've give-and-take between former president's and the archive is the archivist in this case was politicized,
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decided to make a criminal referral even if there's thousands of classified documents in a warehouse in illinois under the obama administration, even though bill clinton had really interesting probably tapes of recordings from the white house they don't pick that fight. they pick the fight here because they wanted to have criminalization of something that's not criminal under the pra and doj was more than happy to jump all over that. so again, today's ruling leaves open the issue of exactly how pr is going to play out. but it won't be something i'd be shocked if there's a mandamus, which is the big threat coming from jack smith, that some higher court is going to say, how dare you even contemplate different jury instructions and jack wants so we've got to watch to see if there's a stay, if there's an appeal, if there's mandamus but the idea that the pra is dead is, i think a premature. >> many of these things unsettled. and so we will see where they go. jim trustee really appreciate it. thank you so much. thank you. i don't >> to turn now to our cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie honig elie, you just heard what
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jim trust you said. what is your take on this so briana, i respect jim. we were colleagues at doj. i disagree on the presidential records act itself as a defense in this case for two main reasons. the first reason is the facts. there is zero evidence from donald trump, from anyone around him that he ever actually designated these records as personal and i think notably, none of his lawyers have ever represented to a court that he actually designated these documents as personal. and i heard jim say, well, there's not a procedure for that, but you have to do something. there would be some evidence of that, and then separately, i think there's a legal problem with it, which is first of all, a president cannot designate any records he wants as personally cannot designate highly sensitive military documents, national security documents, as personal, and take them. and finally, even if he could eat, doesn't trump no pun intended. it doesn't overcome the criminal law against retaining sensitive national security information. so even if this gets to be a defense at trial,
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i think there's no real merit to it >> so you hear him draw the parallel with the clinton case, which is something that trump's defenders have done. and i wonder how you think that holds up very different case i think it's a poor precedent in this case. first of all, bill clinton's case involve notes of his an audio tapes relating to interviews that he gave with an autobiography are completely different than for example, the documents here which had to do with war plans in iran in some instance. second of all, there was an important procedural difference in the clinton what they called the psaki case because reportedly he stored the tapes in his socks drawer, which is a private outside party, was trying to force the archives to seize those tapes. and essentially the federal courts said, we don't order the archives outside parties don't order the archives what to do. so to me, it's really an inapplicable example. >> where does this leave the timeline of this case, elie >> well, a mess. in short, it was already i think no way that this this case was going to get
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tried before the election. and now i think we have other pending issues. there is the question that jim just alluded to about whether jack smith might try to go to an appeals court and forced the judges hand actually think what the judge did today, forecloses that makes it impossible to do that because the judge said, well, we're going to decide when the trial happens, and maybe it's something that will go to the jury. you really can't appeal that if you're jack smith and by the way, this is why i think jack smith is concerned with today's ruling, although he one in the sense that the court did not dismiss the charges if i'm jack smith and i think smith feels the same way, i'm very worried about this defense going to a jury because it's confusing, because it's complicated because it's technical and prosecutors always want to tell us simple, straightforward story. and frankly, defendants want to muck things up and as much as i think this defense lacks merit, i do think it could confuse the jury in a way that would worry me as a process it's cuter >> yeah. >> that may be the case. we may have heard the last of mandamus, at least for the time being. however, and for that, we may be thankful. elie honig.
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attempt to get the classified documents case thrown out failed. his attempt to get the georgia election interference case tossed on free speech grounds, failed. and just yesterday, his motion to dismiss the new york hush money case against him failed now he's got a new hearing set in his business fraud case and he's trying to push back on that barrage of bad news about truth, social, going public. i'm joined now by cnn political analyst and your time senior political correspondent maggie haberman and maggie, i know you perhaps some new reporting tonight on the very issue that we were just discussing with trump's former attorney jim trustee. >> how >> do those who remain on his legal team view this issue of using the pra, the presidential records act to claim the documents our personal yes. every on it look, they were not surprised by the fact that this is the way that the judge ruled. remember, she has taken a very long time on rolling a number of motions in this case, there's a huge backlog. it has sort of gummed up the works and their strategy has been this
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blitz of filings to delay all of these trials. it's actually been pretty effective and they're pretty open about the fact that they think has been effective. >> she didn't >> totally close the door on the notion of the presidential records act coming up at trial. and so because of that, you will continue to hear about this from donald trump, who has been saying this since it was put in his head in february of 2022, and i expect again, this is going to continue publicly. >> listen >> they leave. this was a longshot. they didn't think this was likely, but it was one of the many things they were going to try. again, judge cannon has shown over and over again a willingness to be extremely open to the defense teams arguments with what's really as i said, a dizzying reality of trying to keep up with all of this. i mean, if you do, it's pretty difficult. you see, you know, that's our donald trump's. it's hard as legal cases everything that's going on, what are you hearing about which one he particularly focused on >> well, at the moment, he's
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really focused on the manhattan trial i asked him about this at his press conference at 40 wall street after the march 25 hearing, if he thought he could get an acquittal in this case, and he said, well, there shouldn't even be a trial and i said, well, they're going to be a trial and he was trying to suggest that he's still relying on some kind of an appeal effort. i see no evidence that there's going to be a further delay, but they did get a delay of a couple of additional weeks, which they were very happy about, but that trial is where his focus is and where it is going to stay. because at the moment it is on track to be the only trial bell that takes place before the election. and as you know, a rionda their goal has been to push all of these cases past election day >> yeah. his response, two days of bad headlines about his social media company was to post, quote, my tv ratings are by far the highest and my rallies are not equaled even close anywhere by anyone. how hard is this for him to accept that truth social isn't the twitter killer or just a success of assault in its own
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right that he'd hoped it would be i think we have seen him over and over again, refused to accept external reality and to continue to try to paint things as he wants them to >> be seen. and this is one of those times. however, the objective reality is the fact that the stock tumbled earlier this week, you know, what was initially adding to his net worth, at least on paper by several billions is no longer that he is getting a lot of headlines around this and he is just trying to will it into some kind of a different reality. i think for most of his supporters, i don't think the fact that truth social has not doing well this week or as well as it had been said two and there's lawsuits and so forth, and a lot of bad press around it is going to bother them. but as you know oh, he watches very closely anything related to his net worth and he is keenly aware of what is being written about it and said about it i still think that this is going to be where you see him focus his energy is truth, social. i think he is not likely to return to twitter anytime before the election, but this is not, this is not
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the week they were hoping to have certainly with truth, social trump was on hue, hue, it's radio show today. he offered this take on richard nixon's infamous saturday night massacre, which was of course the firing of prosecutors during water okay. let's listen >> they went after him like they've never gone after anybody you've made some mistakes wildly the firings were mistake. you notice the way i kept people that i couldn't stand up that from nixon. i said, let me just live with these people for a little while before i get rid of them. >> so he learned to stagger his firings, but given that's already talking about prosecuting his political opponents, is there any reason to think that those lessons will hold for a second term? >> first of all, i don't know what >> administration he was present for, but the one that i covered, he fired cell eats the deputy attorney general almost immediately he asked for the resignation of mike flynn according to lots of people who
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were around him at the time, he fired james comey he on and on and on and on. this was not exactly a fire free administration and so sure. i guess you could say some of those were staggered other people would say that firing james comey is what led to the appointment of robert molar. and so it was something of a hot stove that he touched do i think that anything has changed in terms of what he said at the beach beginning of 2023, about i am your retribution to his crowd that in 2016, i was your voice and today i am your retribution. no. i think that is still very much his focus. i do think that he would be less inclined to hire people who he thought were going to go against him and to be clear, bianna, that's true for any president. most presidents want to have people who they think are going to enact their agenda. the question is what agenda is donald trump going to be trying to enact? and since he's already talked openly about appointing a special prosecutor to quote unquote, go after the bidens and are roading the post-watergate norm of justice department independence i think that
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people will have clear questions about what exactly this is supposed to mean. >> yeah one way to look at it is they were staggered firings and other is that they were kind of perpetual. >> as >> you experienced mac, they were i think i didn't staggered maybe sure. >> right? >> yes. >> okay. yeah. but they were just they kept coming and coming. maggie haberman, always great coming and coming. that's right. always great to get your perspective. thank you so much. so next, a >> frosty phone >> call between friends as president biden warns the israeli prime minister that there are conditions for us support do more right now to protect civilians inin gaza. or there will be consequences >> want to close out >> should i? >> normally >> i'd hold but >> taking the games as smart here right? >> feel more competent. what's doc ratings from jpmorgan analysts and the chase app when you've got a decision to make, the answer is jp morgan wealth management
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issued an ultimatum to prime minister netanyahu, protect civilians in gaza or else the israeli security cabinet approved the reopening of the erez crossing. and this is a critical root that will allow more aid into decimated northern gaza. it's the first time that the crossing would be open since the october 7 hamas attacks. it is unclear when exactly aid will begin reaching palestinians the white house says, it welcomed the news, but it reiterated the policy would be determined based on israel's actions. the administration's call for changes following the idf killing of seven world central kitchen aid workers. but there are still more questions than answers. what will change look like beyond the opening of a single crossing? how will the us measure if israel is hitting the mark? and what will the us do if israel is not the white house remains vague and finds itself in a confusing, confusing position. let's bring in david axelrod, cnn senior political commentator and former senior advisor to
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president obama let's talk more about this. >> david. it appears this was what john kirby may have been alluding to at the white house today, this opening of the crossing when he said that they were expecting israel to make changes in the coming hours and days. how much more do you think we should expect? >> i really don't know the answer to that. briana and it's a really difficult situation first of all, as you pointed out, when these these, these entry ways for humanitarian aid are going to open his one question. the security of obviously the security of these workers who are delivering this humanitarian aid is another issue that has now become an urgent issue after this tragic killing of the world central kitchen workers over the weekend. but then there's this big looming issue of rafah and the looming plans of these israelis to assault rafah where over 1 million palestinians are
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now aggregated. what are the plans for that to minimize the loss of innocent lives that has been an ongoing discussion between the administration and the israeli leadership and president netanyahu. and so prime minister netanyahu and so these are lingering questions and look the politics of it are so tough because israel's an ally. they were brutally attacked. hamas is sworn to their destruction they do need to defend themselves, but anyone with a beating heart also un aid workers but cut off aid that because world central kitchen withdrew for the time being sorted, other aid groups, i mean, this is an untenable situation and the president is caught in the middle of it and it has created problems for him
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within the democratic coalition increasingly but it also has the effect of making him look like he is being defined by netanyahu is using it for his own political purposes. and that is not helpful to the president in the midst of a reelection campaign either. >> do you think the biden was clear with netanyahu about the specifics of what has to happen significantly more so than what we've heard publicly i would hope so. i would hope so because threats without actionable steps don't really mean very much. and i presume that not only the opening of these corridors for aid was discussed, but rafah and other issues including what happens after the military action is complete. those are things that have been on the table for a long time. >> i >> hope that they have been
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much more specific in their expectations with netanyahu, then they're sharing with us because there need to be red lines that he feels he cannot cross. and those haven't been evidenced. so far >> we heard sources telling cnn, the us recently authorized the transfer of thousands of weapons to israel here in recent days. and that includes these incredibly destructive 2000 pounds bombs, these mark 80 fours is the known which cnn had previously linked to mass casualty airstrikes in gaza. >> kirby >> was very quick to highlight that this was a weapons deal. years in the making just coming to fruition. but i mean, you know, voters and i wonder if you think that is enough for voters who are not going to make that distinction if they are opposed to how the us is supporting israel at this time i think it's, hard for people
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to understand the free flowing transfer >> of, of bombs >> 15 >> bombers are or, on the way if the president has his way and here the objection consider the administration to what the israelis are doing as they continue to supply the israelis with what they need. that's why it's such a sticky situation because yes. >> i think >> the president wants to ensure that israel can secure itself >> but not at the cost of unnecessary costs of thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent lives. so it's a problem in congress, has a voice in this as well, and they are now raising their voice, including some of his closest allies. so there's a lot of pressure on the president here and he needs to put a lot of pressure on the prime minister >> certainly as it sounds like david axelrod. thank you so much
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>> grit. see it, brianna for more analysis on the reality on the ground and what we are learning about the tragic israeli attack that killed seven aid workers first, let's bring in san and military analysts in retired air force colonel cedric leighton. this was really quick that the idf is out with there preliminary investigation. they're expected to actually publish details of it into this strike that. killed seven world central kitchen aid workers by tomorrow morning. i wonder what you think. having seen how quickly this has gone, what you realistically expect to learn? >> yeah, not much. actually, briana, because it's way too small a timeframe for there to be an effective investigation in the situation like this, when an incident of this type occurs in the military and in may and the other militaries, there's a very thorough investigation that's convened and that has a lot of different branches and sequels. and in this particular case, it's fine to issue some preliminary
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statements. but the way the israelis are doing this right now is i think more of a pr effort really to get this out of the way. i don't think it will be successful because they're going to be so many more questions about how this happened, how this could have happened, and what went wrong. and they're going to be a lot of things that they're going to have to answer here. >> do you think we could get some contours, some idea of how this happened at the very least, or do you think that it'd been ruled out so quickly could actually endanger that whatever their preliminary findings are are actually correct. and then the cat is out of the bag? >> yeah, i think it's more the latter. i think there could be a real problem with in essence prejudicing any type of investigation, then you type of thorough investigation of mind come afterwards. so this is going to be a very difficult thing. it's important for the israelis to say something to the public about what happened, but also to be very accurate about what they're doing. and in this particular case, we have to be very careful that people don't let the bureaucratic imperative of
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covering themselves in this kind of a situation. we don't let that takeover. so this is going to be i think a pretty tough thing for them to do >> a really interesting and quite disturbing new investigation by plus 972 magazine and local call reports that the idf has been using an ai tool to help pick bombing targets in gaza. >> it's >> not, i mean, listen, this happens. i think that ai is being used by militaries, but this is one that has a 10% error rate and also that it appears military officers were largely rubber stamping, maybe not sorting out that 10% that they needed to the journalist behind the report told cnn describing those officers is trigger happy would be an under statement. i wonder what your reaction is to this and what it says about how israel is prosecuting the war. >> yeah, i think this is when you look at this report from a plus 972, i think there's a real problem here if it's all accurate and we have every reason to believe that they certainly did a lot of thorough work in this investigation hi,
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if you use ai tools, you have an obligation then to put a human in the loop and that's really one of the problems with using artificial intelligence in a targeting scenario. the us military is trying to figure out how to do that. we really haven't come up with a solution exactly where to put a human and how to make things work right now, the human mean, it's still the one that decides whether or not to hit a certain target. and there's this difference between targets that are strike able that you can hit and no strike targets once you're not not supposed to head the world central kitchen vehicles should have absolutely been something that is off the target list. and they were not apparently sort of a moving note let's strike convoy if you know exactly. i'm colonel. thank you so much. >> absolutely. >> to the heist that is really just boggling minds burglars break into a money storage facility there it is. they saw 30 million in cash. they set off no alarms. the crime
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technologies will develop state-of-the-art next generation slippery let's build things stronger together. security, dickey peace and prosperity for america. and our allies we are going forward staying forward together >> i'm sunlen serfaty in washington and this is cnn >> have you seen $30 because that much cash has gone missing in california? the money was last seen top safely away in an unmarked los angeles the storage facility and was taken in an easter sunday heist for the ages, i promise you this is not some kind of movie promo, wasn't the joker, wasn't danny ocean in the gang authorities haven't identified the burglars yet, who somehow came down onto the facilities, a roof gained access to the vault without tripping a single alarm. here with us. now, as someone who knows what it's like to pull off a robbery,
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former bank robber, and now crime analysts, cain, vincent dire such a pleasure to get your insights on this cane. i mean, first off, you've seen the footage it shows a boarded up hole that was cracked through on a side wall of the facility here. how do you think these robbers gotten side careers? >> thank you for having me, briana >> this is >> going to be one of those cases where it will be an absolute surprise if there's not insider knowledge here >> just the >> complexity of it >> the >> way they breached this facility there has to be the way they surpass the alarms and this is a system that's going to be pretty high tack that you're securing 30 million plus is what is believed to have been taken and so these guys definitely had a window two the working, the inner workings here >> we
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>> know it's not a bank or an actual regular depot like we would think of, this is a building of facility where cash from other merchants from around the community are brought there to be divvied out and send to other places. so this is someone who either has inside information of those routes >> a >> former employee, or someone they actually probably still within the setting there >> so if it's an inside job then authorities now have maybe somewhat limited pool of people to consider. if the narrow it down to that, how do you think the perpetrators here end up getting caught them? >> well, you know, it seems going off their assumption that this is an inside job. you think it would be a lot easier but the 1997 been dunbar armor
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car heist, where they hit the depot proves to us that just because it's an inside job that the authorities won't always have the exact knowledge in the other case, we have witnesses and employees that new pretty much that it was a former employee that had been fired. they heard his voice, yet the authorities because they didn't have the proper evidence in this crew was so smart color like this crew here, but these guys had employees that were actually there. they never slipped up for over a year so even though the authorities knew that it was more than likely this our suspect who was a former employee, they couldn't do anything for a year. they were almost left to shut the case until one of those crew members made a mistake. so i really believe because of the escape hear them getting clean away.
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that's what we're going to end up probably finding is going to happen. one of these guys are going to have to mess up down the line >> you okay. well let's say that they don't let's say this is your job cane and you are in charge of trying to figure out who did it and you don't want to wait for someone to mess up or to slip up. where would you start >> well, i would absolutely start with everyone that had some type of access, not just to the facility because that could be a bigger pool but especially had access and knledge of the protocols of where at vault was held that's a very specific it's going to be someone that had absolute knowledge of the vault sy, the ke the model, the timithe best time to hit it in these guys reallyid t homewo. they left no witnesses. they did it in in the middle of the night and we
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can't even figure out which way th bred whether it was the ceing orheall. s these guys knew what they were doing. so it had to be someone that has full knowledge ofhe procols, not jt just deliveryersoor someone who the money was being he there. >> this has to >> be someone with absolute specific information. >> as you say, you are america's most wanted bank robber, giving us your insights here is we tried to figure out just really an unbelievable situation came vinson dire thing thank you so much. >> thank you for having me, briana. >> so two different kind of disappearing act, the sun's about to go missing across north america, turning de, in night briefly during monday's told me cool solar eclipse. and that could set off another phenomenon which is how animals could react during the cosmic event. but first two decades ago, the columbia space shuttle launched a team of seven astronauts into space for 16 days in orbit with their
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but it's about to get really wild for animals across the us seriously, wildlife, zoo animals, household pets. they're known to do some pretty weird stuff when the moon totally blocks out the sun during the last american hurricane eclipse in 2017. you see him there, flamingos at nashville zoo, huddling together super close. and then the typically lazy lemurs actually paste around their enclosure here to get wild tonight, we have veterinary behaviorist at ohio state's college of veterinary medicine, dr. emily and lily good doctor lily, what other weird wild animal behaviors happen when the moon blocks out the sun >> so it depends a lot on this on certainly on the individual themselves of their reports of galapagos tortoises suddenly meetings spontaneously during eclipses, which is not their normal forte. giraffes at least, at one zoo are reported to all become suddenly very much animated and running
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around and dress are generally slower paced animals unless they perceive a threat, the drop in temperature, and possibly the darkness may trigger some animals, particularly in vertebrates it's to start nighttime behaviors. so decreases in b activity butterflies decreasing their activity, conversly. crickets have been recorded to spike in their vocalizations and sound making at this time >> so it's going to be a potentially widespread very commonly birds are reported to roost and we don't have as much data on dogs and cats that may happen to be partially because they're mostly tuned into our schedules rather than a strict day light schedule. but that doesn't mean that things might not be different also, we know that when we humans act differently, sometimes our companion animals sign that i'm pretty anxiety producing so in those situations we need to be aware of how we impacting our pets.
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>> yeah, that's a good point. so there's a bunch of zoos in the path of this eclipse sometimes you see animals showing signs when an earthquake or a tsunami is coming. so i wonder can these lions, tigers, and bears? since that this is approaching, or is there something that they might feel that we don't because maybe we're a little more tuned out to some of nature's cues sure, that's a great question and it can be pretty hard to answer that because we were very much often limited to what we can measure and >> often what we think two measures, what we can sense certainly there are actually groups who do things like study the geomagnetic fields during eclipses and it would be fascinating those and us in the same room and see what we can find out. but two, we have to remember that many of these animals, especially prey animals, are very finely tuned into smells and sounds and things like wooden patterns that we ignore all the time.
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and so what to us might seem like a spooky $0.06 might be a phenomenally better sense of hearing are better sense of smell. and so when you get multiple signals that i'll say something is different, something is happening, or maybe it's nighttime crickets, birds drop in, temperature, suddenly dark, or starting to get dark. all of those may make a very different picture to an animal. it has a different sensory set than it does to us. >> they also >> haven't spent the last couple of weeks hyping this up for those so they don't know that it's coming the same way. we are all getting really excited about it. i think any of those range of responses could potentially be at play >> yeah. >> very good point, but maybe they know that we are hyped up. as you said, these domesticated animals do play off of our behaviors. so we'll have to see dr. lily so great to talk to you. i know a lot of people are curious about this thank you. >> or gets you are viewing glasses ready? you will join me. hopefully. and boris

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