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i've been looking for tried today, you cora.com >> and so does come to this i think johnny carson came with the tv set. >> what the hell were you thinking was the new jonny >> i'm not exactly a computer's slow down felt edgy before i was probably old enough to appreciate what edgy was. >> yeah. bad as good as lander >> give it a shahed >> my heart dropped through my bud noah: this is madness. absolute madness. kimmel: it makes every hair on my body stand up. kimmel: we're on! kimmel: but nobody's a late night host until they are one. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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♪ clinton: tomorrow we will drown out the negative voices that have held us back for too long. reporter: after a night of fires, looting, and violence, five people are dead. katie: the end of an era. after ruling late night television for 30 years, johnny carson steps down tonight. [distant applause] soulam: the build-up to the last tonight show was like a... a train that was gonna be derailed, and all you could do was stand by and watch. carson: here's bette midler. midler: i can't believe it! the last... the last guest. ♪ quarter to three ♪ there's no one in the place except you and me ♪ soulam: this was johnny carson. this is what america knew for 30 years. there was that intimacy. midler: ♪ and, john, i know you're getting ♪ ♪ anxious to close... crystal: johnny's got a look on his face when she says
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"john, i know you're getting anxious to go..." that i found, "wow, that made me tear up." soulam: she was the voice for america, that we all wanted to give him a serenade. how cool is that? [applause] carson: and so it has come to this. i'm one of the lucky people in the world. i found something i always wanted to do, and i have enjoyed every single minute of it. lopez: johnny carson was and is, i think, the high water-mark. goldberg: he was it. he was the only one. he was the one that i grew up with. o'brien: he is late night. carson: i bid you a very heartfelt goodnight. [applause] [cheering] sotzing: and he walked out of the building, and got into a helicopter, and that's the end of that. [applause]
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embery: and i didn't know if anybody could pick up the flag and run with it. ♪ announcer: live from the nbc studios in burbank california, the tonight show with jay leno! leno: you know, the tonight show ended on a friday. we started on a monday. it was awkward. leno: let's see how you all feel in 30 years. [laughter] leno: when i started i was doing johnny's show exactly the way johnny did it, in johnny's studio, but as the tv critics will tell you, i'm not johnny! vickers: who wouldn't be nervous following the king of late night, right? leno: ah, we are coming to you live! you're seeing this right now, as it happens. we're not on tape. it's live, live, live! noah: leno loves making people laugh, and his vibe is very jovial. but anyone who thinks they can host a late night show, you are an absolute idiot, because there is so much that goes into it. leno: please welcome billy crystal. [applause] crystal: we'd started out together as stand-ups,
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and now here we are; he's the host of the tonight show. crystal: the build-up for this, you know, has been tremendous, and i just want to say, i'm gonna miss you. [laughter] nesteroff: in jay leno's first few months, people didn't like him. they thought he was out of his element. leno: you know, from the beginning of vietnam-- uh, the vietnam war until today, our military used more explosives than-- than were used in lethal weapon 1, 2, and 3 combined. unbelievable! all three combined. [laughter] eubanks: sometimes there was nothing to laugh at, and he'd look at me and he would say "thanks for that one." littlefield: i did wonder at times if i had made a mistake, fighting for and believing in jay. leno: one out of every three men is afraid of long-term commitment. if you ask me, i think one out of every three tv networks is afraid of long-term commitment. vickers: jay started with this huge pressure, a lot of nerves. behind the scenes it was dramatic. littlefield: jay's manager, helen kushnick,
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was the executive producer. to say helen was not collaborative is an understatement. that was war. leno: and now that his trial is over, suicide doctor jack kevorkian says he wants to buy a brand-new car, says he's gonna get a new car. he said he's sick and tired of driving that old van of his. he said it is nothing but a death trap. you know, that thing is just... macks: the early years of the tonight show with jay was pretty scary for those of us who had kids in families and houses. leno: i'm glad you're here. hey, i'm glad i'm here, okay, yes! macks: there was a story every day in the trades: "will nbc dump leno?" "leno ratings going down." "will leno be replaced?" "where will dave go?" letterman: don't mind me, i'm just a temp. guthrie: when johnny carson retired after being on the tonight show for 30 years, it was an open field, hence the intense competition between jay leno and david letterman. bell: suddenly it became about, like, who gets his show? and then leno got it, and then letterman goes,
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"maybe i don't have a place in show business." morton: he made it very clear up front that his dream was to someday host the tonight show. letterman: it just didn't seem to me to make any sense to have jay leno doing an hour of a talk show, and then i would come on afterwards doing an hour of a talk show. and i really felt like, you know, maybe my time had come to step out of network television. lassally: i said to dave, "if nbc wants to put you on at 12:30 "after jay leno, "you'll kill yourself." i said, "i have to get you an 11:30 show." and then the battle began. ludwin: dave letterman started getting offers from other networks. lopez: you know, letterman was the king. sarandon: you're pretty cocky in the middle of these negotiations. you have that kind of mid-negotiation, multi-million-dollar glow about you. >> because of the villa there's negotiation, you have that kind of mid negotiation multi-million dollar glow about
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you there were still >> a number of >> people within >> nbc who felt >> strongly that >> it was a mistake to let dave letterman leave >> they agonized over the loss of david letterman. >> they still have letterman under contract for more than a year. and they said maybe we should reconsider the original decision not to give dave the show. >> and that before dave letterman jumped ship from nbc he wanted to make one final move to try and get dave >> they've all from the tonight show, but he's only going to get it in a year-and-a-half when j is first contract is up i said today, we can't go near that offer. that's total because they'll get out of it and dave was really confused at that point >> and peter, sally says you know what they've called
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johnny and johnny said if they treated me the way they're treating, you know, i would go to cbs, tell him to go to hell. >> and the announcement designed to keep you up at night has now been made. david letterman says he is for a price switching networks lock stock, and stupid pet drinks. >> and ultimately the deal that letterman wins is astronomical >> cbs lord him over with a salary more than four times that of leno and given him what he really wanted, the 11, 30 times slot, there was so much hype than buildup. the launch of both of these shows, jay leno taking over from johnny carson letterman, getting this cbs spot so all eyes were on >> i mean, to fight this war. and when it >> out against the king. >> and i will pay it back 100 times over you must plush this
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city we're now in. the big room >> you can't celebrate failure the way we used to we've got to be this show that doesn't have mistakes. >> if you think about it all i really did was take the summer off >> but at 11:30, letterman fans were worried that he was going to be neutered defanged, that he wouldn't be the hips subversive, kinda nasty guy. >> ladies and gentlemen, here he is. bill murray i went to the other place >> but when bill murray took that to spray paint well, this is nuts, but it's going to work. that was kind of a surprise to all of us. >> so a very >> edgy show in the making
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>> lot of late night show well, so bad, multiple personalities and david letterman was just one guy. it's always david letterman >> the next day. cbs stock went up 19 points and i remember it being in days all this after the first show dave, looking at me as if for the first time he realized what do we got for tomorrow >> this is our friend group or g, who owns and operates the hello delhi right here in new york city rome, right on good day. okay. can you come on in here for a second? all right. and utilize it? >> 52nd street. >> that hello, dolly was so funny and irreverent. >> you're put on the glasses and the hat. so this is what you'll see referred looking like on the videotape because dave was so famous, we often try to come up with ways that dave could interact with the public without being seen. >> i'd like a quarter pounder, like a sort of pounder a half, pounder and a half founder and
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a founder and a pounder >> and these people turned out to be funnier. in many cases >> then if you had booked >> a bold-faced name that would have been on the top of the marquee >> yes, sir. >> i don't have enough money with letterman. >> i felt like i was watching a thing that hadn't been on tv before >> what would you like, ma'am >> felt edgy before i was probably old enough to appreciate what edgy was and a burrito supreme with no meat. is that correct? >> she's gone already, chief i actually went to go see david letterman dave was great. i'll shaffer was awesome >> remembered
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>> looking at the camera's going hopefully it just turns around and i'll be on tv >> and i remember taping it >> at home and i bring it to parties and it's like a white blur. and i'm like that's me did a lot top visit, didn't he see me >> all we were ever told was that there was no way that our show could compete with dj show button in the first year, we became the number one show so cbs was delighted for the first time the entire history of late night nbc is not in first place >> meanwhile, are trying to figure out, well, who do we want in the 12th 30 times slot after jaylen? >> they would have given the show the 12 30 showed either too garish handling or dana carvey jon stewart was also play. >> but a lot of talent just felt it was too frightening to try to step into the shadow of david letterman, who at that point was the hottest thing in show business my feeling was you had to drop down to a ratio when you're looking at people 30, their barrett, few people
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with any seasoning or experience. >> so you go or who >> the best people i know right now >> lauren called me up and thought coning will have good ideas. he can bd producer >> conan had been here on >> snl or as a >> and who's truly funny >> but conan o'brian, since he was a boy, literally had dreams of being a late night talk show host. >> when you're a kid, you naturally start running through your checklist. i'm not a good athlete. i'm anxious i have a weird name and then i found that i can make people laugh >> and then he said what he really wanted to be was hosed he had no experience i was kinda surprised that lauren went along with it >> they >> fraud jingly, read to him screen test and then of course
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he didn't have a jacket. i met him at his car in the parking lot. he took out of the trunk of his car, a rumpled sport coat those vaguely white as i remember, a white linen jacket >> awful >> thank you for coming i did. i ms an opportunity >> it's not often you get to share camera time with you and the middle of the mimi rogers interview co-nin said, people always say it's like a model no turning have been crank. i'm not talking about and in that second, i thought to myself, this guy's got it. >> that's the end of my mach show. if that's all i ever get, it was a lot of fun. i had a good time thank you very much. good night >> all i remember itself right >> there were flares, there was a spark >> a couple of days later, i picked up the phone and it was my agent and he said you got
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>> the first night we were walking on air, the entire show on tv. >> calm yourself professional. now like guys that are too young to be thanks. do you letterman was iran. i can detached. he was that was the answer to carson this show needs to be sillier >> you did this bit where i played bill clinton, baby, my favorite moment in my whole career what do you got there in that mug you wouldn't be interested, mr. president, it's just some yeah, hot cocoa green mecole go i love it. >> let's have so just kind of idiocy that we could have never done on saturday may law >> here you go, mr. president are sometimes you just need colleen o'brian in an andy richter doing something goofy >> i didn't know how to be a talks your side picky.
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>> he didn't not >> be a talk show host india's not an ethnic man because he's not a yes man andy goes for the joke and if you're insecure about being the funniest person out there, don't have an andy richter and i just loved everything about that. still do conan was the voice of a new generation. you weren't even really watching letter menn any that was like for older people >> it was the tv critics. it didn't speak to him >> the first six months co-nin looked like a fighter it was like the aids ron and he was just taking body blow after body blow, i saw some pretty crummy stuff about myself. >> it says like talent less >> lump up let's be you're
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only getting 13 week renewals >> they wanted to do even less than 13 weeks. >> they were renewing us in one week chunks >> you doing that is the funniest show on tv >> what i thought was this guy is in big trouble. and this is not going to last and are kept saying leave it alone he's getting better. >> the point where we really turned a corner was complete, unannounced surprise >> ladies and gentlemen david letterman >> everybody watch that show because oh, dave is coming back to nbc, but he's not doing anything with jay. >> i think you've really done a great job to carve out a wonderful identity for yourselves. and i really, really appreciate that. i think you did a nice job or big brother, dave you've came in and stuck up for us and i was oh turning point
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>> no audience has got better finally, we got longer renewal than 13 weeks >> and then somebody who worked the network went to visit his kid in college and realized everybody that edge was talking about, that tro >> i'm hearing from college kids like this is the guy criminal brian. they love them. and slowly, very, very slowly, co-nin started to find it but j is stoking his handed to them i was scared to death. >> dave beat our brains out for two years and there were certainly questions on the part of my colleagues at nbc. what are we gonna do about jay leno >> i was really worried that the show was not going to make it you a question. yeah. when prisoners watch shows like cops, do you think they root for the criminal?
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>> the fans >> on the worst day of the tonight show and the worst horrible conditions he has still writing joe and your laughed. >> and i said, all right, let's see, we have to >> do to bring this thing out of the whole j has this ability to plow forward like nobody i've ever seen >> i have to hand it to jay leno that he is the one who said we're going to we're going to win this thing and i'm going to work harder at that point, helen cushioning. he had been fired and we promoted debbie vickers it's another example of a woman behind the scenes who really is the formative person in a show j and i >> have in common the fact that we are both hard workers and we will do whatever is in our power to get better jay is strength was the monologue and joke telling >> and j felt that in studio
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one in burbank, the audience was too far away from him. the band was too far away. so we got a new set design >> j now is working closer to the audience. we've extended the monologue because that's where j is. muscles are i can help thing and if you're a peeping tom, right? i'm all the people you could go after. why pick madonna, what part of this woman haven't you seen >> de was rolling. >> it was like tonight i felt like it was in a club. he was doing stand up >> che show had gotten really good who is really strong? the people weren't sampling >> and then there is the night where hugh grant comes on >> that >> night turn the whole tide of late night television around and it never stopped >> this is the big gap. it's great to the music, the magic of madness. >> it's time to dance
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today, >> i've are still alvarez at the white house. and this is cnn >> but it's very hip to be on the internet right now. >> i asked you to join me in the president in working for fundamental change in america's health care system if it. doesn't fit you must acquit british heartthrob. hugh grant was arrested early this morning and hollywood for allegedly picking up a prostitute on sunset boulevard >> the most important element of hugh grants showing up on the tonight show with jay leno was that he showed up >> we all assume he would
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cancel the appearance jay anticipated that and jay called hue grab and said, i think ultimately this story goes away. if you don't hide please welcome, ladies and gentlemen. >> hugh grant instead of >> having our usual whatever was 4 million viewers watching that night, we had over 10 million >> let me start with question number one >> everyone wanted to know what is you back in to say what the hell were you thinking >> my god, you couldn't have said it better. >> as you know, the hollywood community was shocked to learn that this type of thing was going on, right >> jake kills it the whole shop. >> well, i mean, obviously one of the vote, so many bad things about it. i don't know where to begin, but one of them who
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embarrassment i caused the people i've been working with the last year on on this film. >> and when you embarrass tom arnold, that's really at that point in july 1995, jp came carson like he became the voice of the viewer >> and from that day on jay leno on the ti trail or number one, await night crown is back at nbc dave hated losing he became more and more tied up in what the ratings are >> it's a life-size dave letterman doll. luck of that beauty right there, that good >> jay's crossed us. this had a very big impact on the mood of dave and the show in
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general. >> it was the only time that i ever thought he was uncomfortable on the air at this thing, he felt that people didn't want him there anymore johnny carson today. >> and when you tune >> into johnny, you expect them to stand there confidently and tell jokes. >> okay, time to fly the cards. and i think he said he started to realize, you know what yes. this is not getting me anywhere. >> and i went through this for about six months and whole my god, how were you able to work every day being depressed? >> i had to push through. it. >> could be funny well, as funny as you can when you're depressed mean nobody ever disliked anybody. i mean, dave did a lot of jokes about me and i did some voucher gave and it was fine, you know, if it's funny everything is off it's it's fine as long as the joke is funny, that that's good.
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>> don't go away. >> in the '90s, the networks are still the powerhouses, the titans changes sort of inevitable if you don't watch out, it'll come and bite you competition was coming at you from all directions. >> and what we have is an explosion of late night television. >> you are meeting a lot of pieces that said, why do we need more of these shows? don't we have enough of them? >> i mean, there was a chevy chase show that lasted i think a week or city was on top of the world in syndication and then one day arsenio wasn't gone >> i wasn't the guy that was supposed to do it straight through. i was supposed to go away and have other experiences and i loved tom because it just gave me a real love for the art of conversation. >> in 1991, you were quoted as saying, if i little richard,
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to be the host of the late late show. don't cbs? >> and now we start all over. then one day i got a call from a comedy manager and he says, hey ma'am, you think about john store for this thing >> jon stewart had an edgy late. i talked to you that started on mtv jon stewart, man, he's racked quite, i think i'm falling for you >> he had that really important thing which is why he broke early he had charisma this is, the, daily show with jon stewart. the most important television program john had, vision. john had a point of view. >> you're out-of-order. he's out-of-order this whole trial is sexy >> it was a departure in style and tone it was a political show >> and the show always stood out is just the place to get
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the news and a weird kind of way today witnessed the start of the united nations millennium summit, giving new yorkers a chance to get in touch with prejudices. they didn't even know they had but it did do was fill a void nobody knew there was a void >> watching day. >> but >> day to choose under president for a new century with the 2000 election the daily show really broke into a new threshold stem by cnn is moving florida back to the too close to call column. >> it would only just have an interface we've got omelet all over our suits. >> he could still go gore's way. he could still go bushes way. the >> nation's voters went to bed last night, not knowing exactly who won the presidential election and when they're going to wake up it has been a historic evening. we've seen nothing change. >> there's no outcome to the election. the >> ever seen anything like this before, a whole lot, john, i'm getting up, getting some breaking news here from my wife
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it seems that my little girl just took her first steps and i wasn't there bush gore recount >> we had a >> month of that. >> like >> for example, election officials looking at hanging chads, that's inherently funny. >> we >> had a bit about how close it was on the supreme court >> steve, what can you tell us about this supreme court decision by the debt was that it was five to four. but in kennedy's mind, it was incredibly close as you can see, gore locked up the justices cerebellum and orbital operculum while the lateral sulcus and cerebral peduncle, were bush country. but if you look at the southeast portion right here you can see justice kennedy's all important occipital lobe was simply too close to call that one's when the entire news media, they had to pretend it was normal,
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whereas we dealt an absurdity. so this was in our sweet spot >> suddenly, jon stewart is topping list of trusted journalists which is very weird >> he was doing comedy with the genes of a journalist >> a more serious world demanded in more serious style of comedy really tackling what was going on >> and some of that might have rubbed off. i'm michele de was getting older and as he was getting older, who's getting deeper and he's becoming a more serious guy. >> wait till you hear what happened to me >> in 2000 letterman had a heart attack was five weeks ago today that these men and women right here saved my life and he
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became even more open to things as a person. and i think that translate into work and it became a different guy. >> and here's this sarcastic biting guy, dave. the reverend prankster. >> i couldn't have been more proud when these guys carve their initials in me honest >> used his pessimism, his emotional darkness, and transformed it into a comedy when something terrible happens, these guys still have to come on that night and do a show unless it's just something off the charts, terrible >> and i can remember sitting with j and riders and we're all
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just kinda like looking at the tv screen, just stunned not 11 is such a shock to country that television itself could not go back on the air people were so afraid at the time that >> we weren't gonna be able to be funny after something so horrific had happened >> i know for the first few days we were wondering whether we would ever do a show again. >> the decision to go back on television after 911 was extremely difficult. no one knew what to do the one that people turn to. >> who is david letterman
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>> to three-to-one, three-to-one today. >> i'm elizabeth wagmeister in los angeles in this >> is cnn >> late night. >> at first struggled with how to confront nine david letterman's in new yorker, his show is in new york. and so for him, it felt very personal >> by 911, he had all this respect because you had these younger late-night host for grew up with them. he was this father figure and dave said, i think we'll come back monday, september 17 on that date. he
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said to me how a shine have i got gains for this and i'm just remembers as much as you want >> it's terribly sad here in new york city. we've lost 5,000 fellow new yorkers and you can feel it, you can feel it you can see it it's terribly sad terribly, terribly sad >> he didn't tell you what's the thank you. didn't explain away this tragedy. >> it was dave, honestly hurting and making it a little easier for all of us. he became a voice for us in a different way >> and it's very simple. there is only one rule requirement for any of us. and that is to be courageous because courage, as you might know, defines all other human behavior and i believe because i've done a little of this myself pretending to be courageous is just as good as the real thing. it was
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>> the first time that i can remember that a monologue made you cry hi. >> there was nobody better to share what we were all feeling. >> and he opens up late night. he opens the fact we're gonna we're gonna try and feel our way through this and we'll just see how it goes. take it a day at a time after 911 when david letterman came on the year and i think that made it like us feel like it was okay to continue with our lives. >> it definitely altered >> i think the >> tone of the way people felt that they could talk to their audience and i have never, ever felt more unsure or more at a loss than i do tonight >> i just i wanted to tell you why i grieve but why i don't despair you saw a late night host being sort of rob and
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human >> but then bill maher really takes it up a level >> bruni years earlier, abc, rod, bill maher, over but it's politically incorrect show. we have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2000 miles away. >> that's coward >> and that offends so many people are in the airplane when it hits the building. that say what you want about it. not cowardly maybe a few years later, he could get away with saying that. but he said it right after 911, you know, his show was politically incorrect, but that was a little too incorrect for abc if i had to choose between losing my soul are losing my show. i'm glad i chose losing my show and i, you know, i never sold out getting into political waters is never from the network perspective what you want a late night host to do. this was really about what type of artist was the
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right talent for abc going forward abc and a blue collar identity and jimmy kimmel fit that profile extremely well >> i was a little surprised when i learned that jimmy kimmel was going to take the late night slot at abc jimmy kimmel did demand show >> never thought like, well, one day, mike career mic go to this place and i might have to be careful. you know, i'm a busy guy and sometimes i just don't have time to get loaded. that's why i love shotgun >> there was an every man quality jimmy there was a likability to jimmy >> and these will all >> qualities that i felt were enormously important. >> and in a blink of an eye. i was onstage it didn't make a
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lot of sense, but i guess none of it does really. i mean, nobody's late night host until they r1, there are no nude women in the film >> yes. are you so tired of hot naked starlets that he doesn't even faze you i'm all up on nobody wants to see that. let's put more sam rockwell, mail. when you get to late, i talked to you want to make it different, which is the first mistake. >> i don't know why that formats still works, but it does. and i think that when people break from it, it doesn't it? >> i didn't stand up and do a monologue. i didn't wear a tie. i mean, everything we did was wrong. i'm not sure we're ever going to top this one. the guinness book named him the harris man in the world. >> hello? >> we let the audience drink the first night. in the middle of the show, someone threw up >> is it asking you why are they called the town embarrassed? minnesota
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>> i don't know why they call like all right. >> in the first months of the kimmel show, it was a rough road kimmel did not appeal to women. >> so he had struggles. but like most of these guys, he had to find his voice >> there were plenty of conversations about what changes should we make to the show to reach a broader demographic? >> when on the rare occasion that i look at a bit of video from that first year it makes every hair on my body stand up >> all right. we're back with marilyn manson i was really hoping that abc would cancel the show because i felt like i >> can't do this anymore. i can't deal with this much stress >> have a good weekend, everybody. i'm getting the hell out of here.

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