right now, what, what are some of the biggest concerns sean >> well, certainly security and that's something that i've taught. i've taught haitians that who are not looking to have foreign troops come in as peacekeepers. let's say, and create another medusa problem but are looking for the training of their police, the resourcing of their police >> and then >> just as significant as the food security issues right now, this is a country on that's threatening famine, threatened with famine if something isn't done aggressively. >> sean penn, thank you so much. >> you bet. >> news continues the source of kaitlan collins starts now >> from the source tonight, donald trump's first criminal trial may now be postponed i haven't days before it was supposed to begin. the unexpected twist coming on the

same day that trump was in court in florida trying to get another one of those cases thrown out and failing also, kamala harris becoming the first sitting vice president to visit an abortion clinic. democrats are keeping this does issue front and center and trying to get republicans on their heels a post-roe reversal. but the question is, will it drive enough democratic turnout come november and striking revelations are in a new book from one of the best source board reporters on those affairs. what former top trump aides are warning that a second term of his could look like including us withdrawal from nato and abandoning taiwan if china invades >> i'm kaitlan >> collins, and this is the source they say the timing is everything and for donald trump, that might as well be his campaign slogan right now, he's been a day-to-day combat and core to keep pushing his criminal cases until after the

2024 election. and there are significant developments tonight concerning the timing three of those cases in new york, south florida, and georgia in new york. the one criminal trial that was supposed to happen that everyone thought was going to start 11 days from right now. now appears that it will be delayed by at least a month after an unexpected announcement, announcement from the manhattan district attorney himself we'll dig into what that's all about. stormy daniels, michael cohen and company are now waiting to see what the judge is going to decide about the hush money case. it wasn't all good news. i should note for the former president today, he was denied one attempt to get his charges dismissed in the classified documents case in florida as he sat there in court before judge aileen cannon. but there's no trial date still from that, judge. and of course, that can make the special counsel happy, or the witnesses who are worried for their own safety is all of this has been dragged out. actually spoke with one of

those central witnesses in this case, a former mar-a-lago employee who told me that he's prepared pair to testify >> the boxes that were in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember loading. >> and did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially us national security secrets in his box? >> no clue. >> no i had. no clue i mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate piling them up. i remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then we're lifting them up to the pilots there's also more we've talked about new york. we've talked about florida. now we're also winning a decision that is expected tomorrow in the state of georgia from the judge who is overseeing trump's election case. they're over whether or not to disqualify the fulton county district attorney, fani willis judge scott mcafee said to a reporter today, quote, i made a promise to everybody, these kinds of worse take time to ride. i need to make sure i say exactly what i want to and i plan to stick to the

timeline. i gave everyone here to help us break all of this down tonight is our most trusted cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig, who was an assistant us attorney for the southern district of new york, the very office that is now caught up in this case. and also of course, his book, untouchable, where he uncovered conversations that got to the heart of this case. so, ellie, obviously you're the perfect person to talk about this width i think the question is, why is this all happening 11 days before this set to begin? yeah. so this is about so much more than a likely 30 dire, more postponement. this goes to the heart of the da's case and it tells me that there's a real problem lurking here for the da's case. so let's break this down. three years ago, donald trump's getting ready to leave office in 2021 by former offices, southern district of new york has a series of internal conversations. what do we do? do we charge donald trump for the hush money scheme? ultimately, they come out, of course, no. and a big part of the reason why is they did not trust michael cohen. they were not willing to basecase on the testimony of

michael cohen. okay. now, you're donald trump's lawyers now, and you know that i'm not but yes. right. >> what would you do? you want to get those files, right? well jeez, the fdny thought there was a problem with michael cohen. we need to know that. and so trump's lawyers have spent the last year and change trying to extract those documents from the southern district and they just started getting a couple of months ago, 70,000 pages than another 30,000 pages. and they sent to the judge. now, when you more time because we have serious stuff in here that we need to use to undermine michael cohen and the da to an extent agrees with that. that's why the da a today said we agree that some postponement is necessary, at least is 30 days. the di could have said it's all useless, it's all irrelevant. they did not say that. they said there is important stuff in there and this goes to the heart of the case. >> one that means you think that is relevant material. >> because if it wasn't, the da, we'd say no, no german. let's go and 14 days. the fact that the da saying yes, there are entitled to some time tells me there's something significant in there. >> well, and two, this is the

first time we've seen trump tried to delay, delay, delay. we talked about it almost every single day. this is the first time we've seen a prosecutor actually agree in part. >> yeah. let me lay the blame here on my own former office, the southern district of new york. i will plead guilty on their behalf. there the problem here because they've had these documents, they're the only ones who know what's in these documents and they have risen existed and drag their feet, even alvin bragg that the da, has been asking the southern district, hey, guys, this material could be relevant to the defense. i have an obligation as the da to turn it over and only just recently did the sdn why do that? >> okay. but so they alvin bragg, the district attorney here, said 30 days. sure. but what trump's team is asking for is not even just 90 days. i looked closely at what they said. they said that they should set a new trial are not set a new trial date until they've been able to complete the production of this material. instead, it cannot be any less than 90 days. how long do you think this could ultimately be of a delay? so of course, >> trump's team wants to push it out forever. there's a thing though to keep in mind. >> so the da is okay with

>> 30 days. the judge has to give 30 days, essentially at this point, if the prosecutor saying they get 30 days, you have to give them that, but that's a minimum. and there's a traffic jam here because judge martian, same judge who has the trump case also has the steve bannon trial. the steve bannon fraud trial, set for may so that is blocking me into june now, the judge could play a game of dominoes here and move the ban and trial to make room for the trump trial. likelihood of that, i suspect this is going to be more than 30 days. i really do. i think you don't think that the judge here, we'll move steve bannon's case to make room for trump's. that's a decision for the judge, but steve bannon's case is older. steve bannon's case has been occupying that spot. i think there's a real problem here. i think there's a real question now about whether this case gets tried before the election at all. and it seemed five hours ago like this one was virtually certain you think it may not get tried before the election? i do. i do. because if you have the steve bannon case there blocking off may, june, maybe into july, it's a complicated case. >> when are you going to start this case >> into september, october. that's i think too close to the

election. i think there's now for the first time a real question about whether this case getting it's tried before the november election. >> but that means there's a question of if any case gets tried this tomorrow, the georgia decision is coming where we find out a fani willis stays on the case. if she does, that's really notable because that means it will continue. yeah. but if she doesn't, there is virtually no chance that goes before the election. >> i think either way, that case is not getting tried before the election is going to take way too long if she gets disqualified, though, there's a question about whether that case ever happens, but you're right. kaitlan, it felt like for awhile the manhattan da's case was potentially the only one that would get tried before the election. and now i think there's serious doubt about that too. >> elie honig, your former office, he said you'd plead guilty for this. sorry, guys. we'll, see what that looks like. ellie will stay with you on all of this. also, i should note that donald trump was in a federal courtroom in florida today for another case. >> the >> classified documents case that we've been talking about here all week, but the presence of him in there in that court, even though he appointed the judge here to the bench, did

not seem to slow her down. she quickly denied emotion that he was making one of many i should note to dismiss that entire case. and i'm joined now by an attorney who's to represent donald trump in that very case to trustee and jim, it's great to have you back. this was two of nine total motions from the trump team to dismiss this case. do you ultimately believe that any of them will be successful? >> i think it's possible. i mean, look, today's motion. you've got to keep in mind. this was a very academic oriented motion about void for vagueness, challenging the very statutes that are in play in the indictment that's always tough, sledding. and what the judge did is she denied it without prejudice. so this is basically a punt more than it is a law she's saying, let's get to it. when we're sifting through weighty issues of jury instructions way down stream, so i don't think that was anything that was particularly grievous for the trump team. i think the interesting thing is apparently a lot of reporting says that she raised a number of questions about selective prosecution, whether president trump is being treated

differently than any other president, or even vice president. that's a big note here in history. and i think that means that what's normally again a fairly tough motion to establish the doj is selectively enforcing a law has some traction with this judge. it wasn't on the table for today, but that's a huge issue. the doj has to be worried about. and i think it's interesting. you're having jay bratt do all the argument. the guy that authored all of this mess is kinda left on his own to either have a nice day of winning or absorb all the blame for the misconduct. >> just to keep this big picture for people who don't know who jay bratt is. obviously he's a prosecutor working for the justice department. what she denied today had to do with the espionage act. she said, essentially the trump team's argument would have been extraordinary for her to rule an agree with them on this, but the other one that they were arguing today, the other motion to dismiss had to do with the presidential records act and you and i have actually talked about this before. and essentially the ability that trump has to decide what records or personal what

belongs to the government. here's what you've said before about that. >> if you must a personalize them under the presidential records act, that is his right. and that doesn't lead to criminal investigations than ever has she. >> said today that that decision judge cannon would effectively gut the pra if she agreed with trump's team on this and allow future presidents to say the documents that are obviously presidential ones are personal. i mean, she's not buying the argument that you are making their did it change your mind on that? >> well, i don't think you heard much of my argument in that snippet, but luck not really. i mean, i think that the presidential records act the issue of whether any of this should be considered criminal or subject to criminal penalties which the pra does not have. its still in play when you talk about selective prosecution, selective prosecutions, latching onto the 14th amendment, talking about due process and equal protection. but the concept of weather every other president and vice president has been essentially immunized by the pra is still in play no matter

how you frame it specifically on the category. so i think it's still a live wire issue. i think it's something she's gonna get to. the fact that she had these questions is again, i think a little bit ominous, not absolute, but a little bit ominous for doj. >> we're doing a lot lot of tea leaf reading, but the other part of this is not, it's not just about the records, it's also about the obstruction charges in this trial. and i want you to listen to what someone who is only previously known as trump employee five, now known as brian butler, told me and our exclusive interview on monday on that day, as you're loading, helping load these these boxes unwittingly into the plane and handing them to the pilots. trump is back at mar-lago. and did you know that his attorneys were there that day? >> it's it's funny because i remember seeing this taller guy think, flick back silver hair. i think it was netanyahu. i now know to be evan corcoran. and i saw a bunch of other people in the living room. >> i had no clue. i'm just seeing all these people that

was evan corcoran, trump's attorney, and members of the fbi, jbrowse, which i come to realize now, at the same time, he's going in there. the boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle, which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt okay. so jim, if trump thought he was allowed to keep these documents as his attorneys argued today. and as you have argued before, why was he having them moved out while the fbi is there at mar-lago to collect said documents. >> all my first thought is if he was actually trying to obstruct by hiding documents why would he leave dozens behind for them to read? recover through evan corcoran so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. let me just say this. prosecutor nope. okay. and let me just finish one thought about your witness. i was a prosecutor for 27 years. i guarantee you. if you're a prosecutor and this guy comes out smiling on tv to talk about his testimony. you are cringing. he has not been cross-examined yet. he may not have been interviewed by anybody, but the fbi at this point. so you've got to take a

wait and see maybe he'll be a blockbuster witness. but i'll tell you what most blockbuster witnesses don't do tv tours on the same day that rob hur's report land. >> he just wanted he did one interview and i'll note that that was not when robert hur's report came out weeks ago. it was before he testified on the hill, but i'll say he did this interview because he's worried that this case has never going to go to trial and he's also worried about the effort to get his name out there, but let me ask about what you just said there because you said why would he turn over some of the documents? trump is accused of having his co-defendants owe in the story drew and move those boxes before evan corcoran even win in there. so why is trump moving those documents if he thought he had the right to them, even from his own attorney. >> yeah. well, look, let's take a little bit of a wait and see if the case really goes to trial. i will be the first one to tell you if the obstruction hangs together and it looks like a viable case i'll hear the evidence and i'll tell you that looked like a pretty viable case. i have a lot of suspicions. the obstruction was added into the mix as a political fig leaf to distance

president trump's situation from that, what happened in delaware. and that's always been the political freedom that third difference is different i agree what i'm sorry, i agree that there are different. oh, absolutely. and a lot of ways that are actually hurtful for president biden's for president biden's position, but look, rob heard did a report he laid out his information. i have some qualms with it, but at the end of the day, it's not that i'm saying that president biden should have been prosecuted. what we've said from the beginning having is systemic changes need to be made to protect the information that is entrusted to our leaders. and that's a problem that goes back at least to reagan, if not certainly before that with all sorts of president's holding onto classified documents and doj saying it's their call when it came to clinton in the judicial judicial watch case so there's a lot of murkiness there in terms out of the law should be changed. i don't think any of it should be criminalized. fight. and i think we'll have to wait and see if that guy gets a day where he's actually cross-examine instead of talking to you >> well, i think i would say it

was a pretty thorough interview, but jim trustee, thanks for your time tonight. i appreciate you. all right. thanks. galen and perspective from someone else who is formerly and trump-world, anthony scare munshi is here to talk about what ellie just laid out, that maybe none of this will go to >> trial before the november 20, 2020 election. even that one case we thought what also the vice president's historic trip to an abortion clinic doesn't mobilize voters in a crucial election year the source with kaitlan collins is presented >> this thursday evening by chase stay tuned for cnn news night with abby phillip top of the hour, presented by chase freedom unlimited how do you cash back? >> my money. she worked as hard as that do. that's why i use my freedom unlimited card every time i good guess a little slack, hold up through our big with chase freedom and limited you can make more of which you

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was 11 months ago, the donald trump became the first former us president who had ever been indicted. and now nearly a year later, he is the presumptive republican nominee. he's just clinched the delegates and it's not clear if voters are going to get to hear the evidence against him in any of those cases. before they decide if he should return to the white house. few people can speak to this better than someone who lives on the communications director anthony scare gucci is here with me and anthony. it's great to have you. i just wonder if you look at the big picture impact of the conversations we just had with elie honig and with trump's former attorney, if none of this happens before the trial, what that means >> well, i think you've got to take that as the status quo. i think any of those other things that could happen before the trial, particularly the documents case, where you really read through that complaint that's where the most damning evidence is. if none of that happens, it's a trump vs biden rematch. and i think people have to get focused on

that. and they've got to run the relay, play the replay of donald trump. what he said, what he did over the four years, what he's saying now, he wants to go after you, caitlin. he's made it very clear that anybody that he disagreed three words or he has an adversarial relationship within the press. he wants to potentially threaten their fcc license. he said publicly he wants to persecute using the department of justice. his political adversaries and the list goes on and on. he's courting with dictators. he wants to be part of the axis of tucker see with people like vladimir putin and just to remind people flatter or putin is tied very closely to iran. now. so just think about what that means for the middle east because we know how transactional donald trump is. so i think we got to get off the cases we have the focus on mr. trump being the most un-american presidential nominee and us history. and we have to go through the things that he's saying he's going to

do as it relates to being the american. what does it out? i think if we do that, he's going to lose the election. >> what about the human aspect of this? because obviously there's also questions about not just what he would do in a second term, but who would work in that administration in brian butler, the former mar-a-lago employee that we spoke with this week. he talked about the relationship aspect of this and what trump does to those around him. this is what he told me let's feel like you're choosing between loyalty to these telling the truth. >> absolutely. >> and there's no person >> that wants loyalty more than the former president. i mean, he says it all the time >> what do you make of what someone who worked for him for 20 years has to say about how he treats people and what that would mean if he takes office again well i mean what. >> i would've asked brian there you've seen people come and go myself included. there always seems to be a group of rooms

that gets sucked into trump's orbit. and think the reader are going to be different this time, or he's changed, or they're going to change him. and then he just rotates through those people and runs them over. and so that's why 39 of his cabinet members and sub cabinet members refused to endorse them. at this time, but the one last point, gail and i think this is the most telling point. i'm a little contrarian and i believe that because he's such a name dropper, he will bring people in from the establishment hill one big names in the administration. and so you'll have a much of the same thing that took place in 2017, 18.19. he's not going to go for loyalist because they're just not big enough names for somebody like donald trump we'll see what that looks like. anthony square roots. yeah. no, you will not be one of them. thank you so much for joining tonight. >> i don't i don't even want one extra de. >> kaitlyn. okay. not even want i don't want to make it an even doesn't.

>> that is gamboge you, mr. 11 days they give for that also here, jamal sediments, former communications director for vice president, longer than 11 days and see oh commentator s. e. cupp. >> i mean, >> obviously, no one wants to be in the political situation that donald trump is in with his legal troubles. but the idea that, he's getting all of these delays and delays and delays. and it's working right now. >> i think he does want to be in this situation. he is running for president to avoid all this stuff and this stuff is putting him in significant legal and financial jeopardy, which by the way, i've said this before, makes him a very serious and vulnerable national security target. the idea that he has this much money and lawsuit liability i think makes him a huge target for bribery and let you know, let's face it, he's probably game for it, right i think he is using this campaign to sort of get through all of this. and it looks like he might, i mean, he might get

through it all. i think a >> lot of democrats have been thinking that this would make him a really vulnerable candidate. and then general election, what if it doesn't? these not on trial? >> well, i think what will make him a vulnerable candidate is this position on these issues like taking away abortion, which is other vice president and talking about today, and when she was in waukee, minnesota. sorry. >> i'm going to coming up, so yes, exactly. i should know better but no, we saw this we saw this in the policy positions at the present, former president had, i think people start thinking about what's not they want to return donald trump to office they will be hearing about so many things that we fill tested the last time bleach being injected, are we going to have another insurrection if he doesn't win? we'll see him in court and has a very practical problem here. if he's in court four days a week, that means he's not out campaigning during but if he's not in court, well, he's got changed democrats trajectory here. >> no, i think democrats are

planning on beating him regardless of what night he goes to court. but there's a great possibility that he could be in court for some part of the summer or going into the fall. and if that's the case, that means that he's not going to be out on the road. >> i think there's a lot of denialism on the left and i include myself often the never trump camp in that denialism hoping some deus ex machina events like a lawsuit was going to imperil his road to the presidency and the stages of grief, right? we're not an acceptance yet. and i think a lot of people still want one of these things to be a roadblock. i think we have to get to acceptance it's past anger, grief, bargaining, and except he's going to be the nominee and it's not going to be a lawsuit that probably keeps them from the presidency. it's going to be the ballot box >> how people and biden world see this to the doj. wait too long on some of this stuff. >> yeah, there's a fight. there's a contest going on he's the root, of, as a contest going on between those who believe that there was no

alternative. the doj did everything right? there are those who believe in the white house. i gosh, who really worst that the doj would have moved faster on this and that merrick garland would have done something about this earlier. and maybe we shouldn't have had some of the special counsel that we have we really should have done something more. i think that contest of ideas is happening inside the democratic party probably doesn't matter because the political people, the political people are all focused on the future of donald trump and scaring people about what that future is going to look like. >> small summons se cap, always great to have bushy hair onset. thank you. >> and with trump off the campaign trail today, team biden was in full campaign mode today as he wasn't that florida courtroom it included a historic visit by the sitting vice president to an abortion clinic the first time you've ever seen anything like this, the governor of minnesota was there with her and held join me right after a quick break >> news night with abdullah tonight at eastern on cnn

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what happened today does that mean that you expect abortion and reproductive rights is going to be democrats, greatest strength going into this election well, thanks for having me kaitlan. absolutely. it was it was such a privilege and it was powerful to be in that room with the vice president as speech speaking truth, and to see her in that space to talk to providers, to hear the stories of women traveling from all over the country. i'm in a part of the country where my neighboring states have, have tried to criminalize women i've been getting health care. and we're going to make sure that people hear about it because it is a health care crisis. and the idea that they would try and nationalize this, take that away from states like minnesota that do trust women to make their own health care decisions that do understand that abortion is healthcare. and to see the vice president stand in that space to be clear that she's not white wavering. i don't know if you could see a greater contrast for what this nation is facing. there are numerous issues, but this one is real. it is not hypothetical. it's real women are dying, women are being

persecuted. we're seeing women being threatened with jail time for simply pursuing what just two short years ago was a protected right. so yes, we will make sure we know every single day where they stand. >> also govern even for democrats, for your party, just a few years ago, the idea of using this in a campaign year as a campaign issue, having the vice president go to an abortion clinic is not something that many people or many political advisers would have, would have if advocated for me, it must have just surprised you just to really understand the moment we're in, would that visual today? >> well, i think so. i think it was probably a mistake. we weren't i ran for congress in 2006 and republican leaning district and i spoke very clearly about this after i won. i remember someone walked up and said, wow, you want in spite of being four abortion rights and gay marriage, i said you get it wrong. i won because of those things and i think democrats have found their voice on this. i think women have understood that. we have tolerated this idea that this

was just something not to be talked about. it's good to see leaders coming out and these, these are hard decisions, but their decisions that women make and that they're providing here's make and i think that's the biggest thing. so you're right. i don't think there was enough about it, but i think you've seen it's spring onto this and let's be very candid over the last 20 years, there's more women like vice president harris in elected office who can talk about it >> when this that's definitely right. and we see president biden, he is someone who he doesn't often use the word of abortion himself. i don't think that's totally surprising. he's an 81 year-old catholic and his views on this issue have evolved. do you think that he should lean more into that though over the next eight months, use that word as often as possible on the campaign trail. >> well, you're right and i think each person has a start to try and understand this and you can hold two things are not mutually exclusive that people have of deep faith can also understand that a woman's right to make these choices important. i do think it was important to listen to vice president harris today, say, look, i'm going to say some words. people don't want to

hear like uterus and she was saying that i think old white men need to learn how to talk about this a little more. and i think the biggest thing is listened to women, listen to what they're saying we've seen that when we listen to them, they're speaking loudly on the issue and they're speaking at the ballot box. we've seen time and time again whether it was the midterms, whether it was in kentucky with andy beshear winning a race down there being very firmly supporting women. i think we need to find our voice on it, but i hear the president talking about he's out there, his vice president is making history by being the first setting vice president or president to stand in a space that's a healthcare clinic, abortion is health care. there's other things being done. their mammograms, all kinds of screenings. it's just really it's a moment that we should seize and look the contrast it's couldn't be greater. donald trump has made it very clear. he brags about a lot of things that are not true. he did not create jobs. he's not a scratch golfer. he's not in super good shape, but he did rip wrote out, he did appoint judges who are taking that away and he will do it again. so i think it's good to hear the language. i think the president is out there

making it clear and the contrast is he he said he will sign into law codifying roe into law. donald trump said he would make the band nationwide. you couldn't be clear. >> governor tim walz, as always, great to have you on thanks, kaitlyn. >> some really >> notable remarks that happened on capitol hill today from the senate majority leader. he is the highest-ranking jewish elected official in the us. he is calling for elections in new the leadership in israel, saying that prime minister benjamin netanyahu is quote, an obstacle to peace when migraine strikes, you're faced with a choice, right it >> out with the treatment, the trade-offs of treating or pushed through the pain and symptoms with you? there's another office one dose works fast to eliminate migraine pain treated anytime anywhere without wearing where you want or if it's too late, do not take with strong cyp 3a4 inhibitors elections. do you belle-v can have most common side effects are nausea and

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>> i believe a new election is the only way to allow for a healthy and open decision-making process about the future of israel at a time when. so many israelis have lost their confidence in the vision and direction of their government. >> that rebuke, of course, coming from the highest ranking elected jewish political leader in american history. and it's a pivotal moment for netanyahu's support here in the us, potentially joining me now is the republican whip tom emmer, the number three republican leader in the house and congressman. it's great to have you joining us tonight. do you believe that senator schumer's remarks were appropriate? >> no absolutely not. i thought they were disgusting, kaitlyn. i think they've been talking about how they stand with our best ally in the middle east. >> the >> free democracy of the state of israel. and today, i, he did

just the opposite. and finally, i think showed people that no matter what they say, their actions are something completely different >> to be fair to senator schumer. i mean, on this front one, he was making these remarks. he said netanyahu is one of four obstacles. he believes it is standing in the way of peace as he put it. he also cited right-wing israeli officials and hamas and the palestinian in a 30 and its president mahmoud abbas. do you have do you agree with him on any of those points >> no, i mean, maybe the last one is part of it, but no, absolutely not. chuck schumer does not have a problem with benjamin netanyahu. he does not have a problem with the people of israel. what he's got a problem with, or the anti-semites that have taken over his democrat party. you cannot equivocated on this at this time. kaitlan, you gotta choose between right and wrong, between good and evil. and quite frankly for chuck schumer to be calling for a new

election in israel is it's important. by the way, if you've really was interested in, by calling for an election, how about in gaza, where they haven't had one since 2006 when hamas took over what he said today was outrageous and disgusting. >> well, you said you agree with him on the last point about the palestinian authority leader abbas, but i imagine you also agree with him on hamas also being an obstacle here. i just wanted to make sure that that's clear. >> if you want to call for peace, then hamas has to be eliminated. they cannot exist any longer it's clear after october 7 that that is not an option, so you want peace? then hamas needs to lay down its arms and be done. >> the important context of senator schumer's remarks is that he is the highest-ranking jewish elected official in our nation. and you as he was

talking about netanyahu and calling for a new election, he was talking about the devastating death toll that we are witnessing happening in gaza. do you personally believe that israel and netanyahu's government is doing what it can to avoid civilian casualties i do. >> we had ambassador herzog was with us at our retreat today went through what they are trying to do, which is you've got hamas that is literally using hostages and palestinian, the palestinian people to try and protect themselves they're holding them for reason, by the way, they just killed another american hostage last week, caitlin this is about hamas. this is not about the state of israel. unless you're talking about the state of israel's survival that was the announcement that a tai hen was killed. but on comment, you just made a few moments ago, you said that schumer's real issue you believe is dealing with with the people in his party. you said they're anti-semites. obviously the

progressives in the democratic party would disagree with that. they would say that they have an issue with how israel is conducting this war. but i think the bottom line question here is, what's going to happen with funding to israel and you're standing at the republican retreat right now and the bill that came over from the senate that does have money for israel has not been brought up for a vote on the house floor. that's because of also that ukraine aid and what else is in this bill? what is going to happen? how is the house going to handle this, or republicans in the house going to split up and israel aid bill into one and, uh, ukraine aid bill into another vote so first you're statement about what the progressives would say, is that these aren't antisemites when in fact there, they refused to condemn hamas they, they tried to justify this, say, a brutal attack. these prehistoric attacks on women and children. and the elderly.

if you're not willing to condemn hamas, then clearly you are not it's about the jewish people to you and they i'll stop there. but the other pieces, they've had the israel supplemental bill from the house since october kaitlan. let's not get into this the he said she said we sent that's supplemental bill off the house floor over to the senate back in october. and chuck schumer has refused to act he complained about a pay for because we were taking money away from the irs to pay for the 14.2 or 14.3 billion that that had been requested so guess what? we tried to do one without a pay for and not only would the 166 democrats in the house voted against that they chose the side with hamas instead of the state of israel. but you had a president, joe

biden, who threatened to veto it will pass you can look at it no matter what your actions speak louder than your words. >> republicans >> also had an issue with schumer. shin is if you're in israel or if you are in ukraine right now now what the house is going to do and what house republicans are going to do. and so that's my question. what is your plan >> again, katelyn, the question really isn't what house republicans are going to do. house republicans have already done it the question is, will chuck schumer actually move the bill that's in front of him if he doesn't like to pay for, he can take it off. and by the way, yeah, maybe republicans were, but they're not in charge of the senate. chuck schumer is in charge of the senate the issue is with chuck schumer and his democrat majority in the senate and with the president and his administration they are not standing with israel. they are siding with hamas, but our house republicans going to bring a standalone israel aid bill and a standalone ukraine aid bill to the floor. is that your plan, right now?

>> two different issues already brought a standalone israel bill to the floor, two or three weeks ago. it doesn't have >> any kids. >> what is the house going to chose to vote against it? >> what why wouldn't it >> have a realistic chance of passing the senate if you truly do support our best ally in the middle east, the state of israel. why would it not have a chance caitlin? unless of course, chuck schumer is his problem is with the anti-semites and his party and that's the president's problem is as well. and they're playing politics with an issue that is not about politics. it's about the very survival of the state of israel, okay. >> i just want to give you one last chance to tell me what the house is going to do because they have been the ones that house republicans are the ones who are standing in the way of the bipartisan bill that passed the senate with aid for ukraine and israel and taiwan. so what does the house as planned? >> again, the house has already acted. we've not only active once we've acted twice, there's a bill sitting over in

the senate right now that they can pass if we have to continue to lead, which we will we will continue to lead. but right now, they already have the money that they need. they just need to process the bill. katelyn i think it's still big question what house republicans are going to do. we'll see what happens when you're back in washington. congressman tom emmer, thanks for your time tonight >> thank you, kaitlyn. >> a new book, shedding light on what a potential second trump term could look like with some ominous warnings from former top officials who worked there, who served there. >> we'll talk about that right up your quick break. >> did you know turbo tax now provide you with a tax expert who will do your taxes from start to finish. try turbotax life full service, your full service expert will do your taxes for you as soon as today. okay >> plus, they'll only sign and file when they know it's 100% correct. and you're getting the best outcome possible for

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closest with him on that very issue. in his new book, cnn's jim sciutto sides, a senior us official who served in both the trump and biden administrations at a high level. it says in a second trump term, the us will be out of nato of course, nato is probably the most important security alliance at the us is part of an seen an anchor and chief national security analyst, jim sciutto joins us now with more reporting on his new book, the return of the great powers, russia, china, and the next world war, jim, and this book is full of fascinating insights from these people who worked with trump. and it one point john bolton is quoted there with the story about what he means basically his concerns, but what's going to happen to taiwan if trump is back in office, you add taiwan to the list of countries alliances that his former advisers say the us will abandon effectively under a second trump administration. and what he would do, he would be in the oval office would hold up a tip of a sharpie pen at his desk and say and point to the tip of the pen and say,

this is taiwan. and then point to the resolution. resolute desk and say this is china. the point being taiwan is so small, too small to successfully defend itself against the chinese invasion. and crucially, therefore too small for the us to care about or defend itself. and multiple officials including bolton as well. and john kelly and others say, if i were taiwan, i'd be very worried in a second term and we've seen the warnings about how that could be a reality and the next several years, it's not a forgone conclusion after the other part though, is john kelly is similarly as concerned as bolton. they have different warnings, but one thing that he was talking about as south korea and the us reducing its commitment there. and i was struck by this quote where he told you that trump was just dead set against having troops in south korea again as a deterrent force, or having troops in japan if you've been in the us military. and this has been the status quo for so long changing that would be fundamentally different for the question. >> the thing is, it's a

consistent thing with trump. he does not see the value of these decades-old us alliances, whether it'd be nato as you were describing earlier, south korea or japan and, and alliances that have helped keep the peace and defend key american allies. he just sees them as too costly. and the other piece of that we should, we should note is that the adversaries on the other side of those alliances, whether it's russia on the other side of nato, north korea on the other side of south korea or china, other side of japan, they would love if you who else were to reduce or n those commitments because it would be very much to their advantage >> obviously, john kelly and duck-bone are going back and a trump, another trump administration. but anthony scare moon, she said something earlier. he said that trump would be pulled to have the big names in a second term, that it wouldn't just be the people who concerns of the loyalists and who would be first pick to serve. what is your sense from the people you spoke with for this book, these people will never work for him again. john

kelly, john bolton, others, they say quite openly, he's a danger to the country. i mean, they've said this publicly. john kelly had a long conversation with him about how trump express praise for hitler while in office and he was just flabbergasted that this was even possible. so those folks won't go within a mile of the white house. do i believe that trump will attempt to get big names there to, to scare emojis point. i absolutely believe it it's a question as to who would take that job at this point, particularly folks who have direct experience of working with him with his decision-making and decision-making. we've just described here, because if you're a big name, and you go in and you're running the pentagon under a donald trump presidency. i mean, what does that look like if, if he pulls out of nato, which is what these officials tell you is a really big concern. >> no question. by the way, congress has passed legislation, as you know, that acquires congressional approval to leave nato. >> but the point that congress is so good to standing up exactly. >> the point is that he, he could neuter nato without

signing a piece of paper to remove the us from it. because as commander in chief, if he would refuse to send us forces to defend it, say an eastern european nato ally than that treaty means nothing. article five of the treaty means nothing so this is the thing he will have tremendous power. there are a lot of reasons why this election is a major choice for american voters, as you know, whole host of domestic policy questions. but on international policy, trump would represent a 180 degree turn, not just from biden, but from successive publican and democratic presidents going back decades. and for our allies, a dramatic turn as well. >> that's such a good point that he wouldn't even have to formally pull out of nato. he could just do it my way. >> if he says, like you said the other day, russia do whatever the hell you want in an eastern european country, he's the man who would have to order those troops in jim sciutto, the book is fascinating. thank you so much. >> dr. us about it. everyone should read it. >> and >> thank you all so much for joining us tonight. cnet news night with abby phillip starts right now.