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creating the latest food debate. he posted his mcdonald's meal and that is a double cheeseburger with oreo mcflurry poured on it. i ask you, is this acceptable behavior? >> two very delicious foods by themselves. i'm unclear on whether that would taste good. >> people like to dip fries in frosties. >> i do that. that is delicious. >> you do that? i'm not into the fried food into the ice cream. just not with it. or burger for that matter. don't want ice cream on my burger. >> i will say, you don't cover politics the way i do, but i've spent a lot of final at the iowa state fair where they fry the oreos, so -- >> i just want it all fried. or i want it all cold and ice. you know? i don't want to mix. >> i love learning more about
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you, andy scholes. thank you very much for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow. and thanks to all of you for joining us. don't go anywhere. "cnn this morning" starts right now. good morning, everyone. glad you're starting your day with us. here are fife things to know. happening right now, the israeli military carrying out an operation at the besieged hospital in gaza. there are reports of active fire fights inside of that collects. we'll hear from the idf live later this morning. and new hope for a deal to release the hostages. president biden says he believes it's going to happen. also president biden today set to have a high-stakes summit with chinese president xi jinping. the goal to keep tensions from getting any worse. it's up to the senate to prevent a government shutdown before the deadline on friday night. the house passed a short-term
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measure yesterday. and new overnight, president biden blasting donald trump for calling his enemies vermin. the remark was language you heard in nazi germany. "cnn this morning" starts right now. happening right now, israeli forces are in the middle as we speak of conducting a mission inside of gaza's largest hospital. the palestinian journalist who is inside the hospital tells cnn there's been intense gunfire as israeli soldiers search the complex and interrogate young men. he says there are tanks in the hospital courtyard and the israeli army is using bull horns to tell people to come out and surrender. >> they have accused hamas of running a command center underneath that hospital and using civilians as human shields. the military is calling this a precise and targeted operation based on intelligence. thousands of civilians have been
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sheltering at this hospital and conditions have grown dire with food, water, and power running out. listen to this doctor describe the raid. >> it's a scary situation. >> i'm hearing sounds. >> it's the tanks. >> the israeli military says medical supplies have been delivered to the hospital. medical teams and soldiers are part of the operation to help protect civilians. this all comes as president biden says a deal to release the hostages held in gaza is, quote, going to happen. a mass says the negotiations are focused on releasing 70 women and children in exchange for a
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five-day pause in fighting. israel is pushing for 100 hostages to be released. we have team coverage live on the ground. i want to start with you. the operation launched last night still underway. what do we know about how it's being carried out? >> the ground operation began in the early hours of the skmorng continues according to the israeli military. they say they are operating in a specific area based on intelligence they received. they say that's where hamas has essentially built its infrastructure ask is using that part of the hospital. but take a look the at the hospital complex. it's a massive facility in gaza city. we don't know exactly where in that facility they are operating. again, they described it as a precise and targeted raid inside the hospital. according to an israeli senior military official, they train for this mission for a couple weeks because of how specialized it has to be. that includes arabic speakers to
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talk to hospital officials as well as patients and civilians and then the training for how complex it is to operate in a military hospital in the middle of what has been gunfights around the hospital and more. israel accused hamas of using the hospital for its terror infrastructure. they have evidence as part of this operation that hamas uses it. they will release that in the coming hours. we'll want to see the evidence because it's been such a central claim of the recent operations in and around the hospital. athey called for hahs mass to surrender. >> we just heard in the re reporting that the gub fire that the doctor was saying he was hearing as he was trying to continue to do his work. but the idf came out with this statement and said they have facilitated wide-scale evacuations of the hospital and
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maintained regular dialogue with authorities. i know a lot of the patients are still there. hundreds, it's bloefed. how are they being impacted. >> reporter: there are hundreds of patients stuck inside the hospital, including hundreds of medical staff. there are many people, hundreds gathered outside civilians who are attempt ing to take shelter on the complex of the hospital. as we have heard the warnings from medical staff for the last couple days, many of these patients cannot be evacuated in an easy or straight forward manner. they require specialists medical evacuations. we have heard from doctors who told us that in order to e evacuate some of these patients, they will need more time and they will need security guarantees, which they haven't received yet. some said if they evacuate now will die on the way. and that is the primary concern here. we have seen doctors a the hospital working under challenging and horrific
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circumstances. these situations they are facing has really been deteriorating by the hour. we know that the hospital is not automobile to operate as a fully functional hospital anymore. we saw videoses of premature babies being removed from the neonatal unit pause of the lack of oxygen and supplies. they were taken to another part of the hospital, cuddled together and wrapped in blankets and foil to keep them warm. we heard from a number of human rights organizations and medical teams from as cross the globe expressing widespread concern over the ongoing situation. we heard from the u.n.'s humanitarian chief describing this as a huge point of concern, but calling for hospitals not to be the treated as battle gr grounds. >> benjamin netanyahu spoke by phone. they have been doing that regularly since october 7th. while the read outs of these
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calls are the not exactly fulsome, you pay attention to the words. in last night's readout, the prime minister discussed at length the efforts to free the hostages. that was a new framing of things we saw the rally in washington. tens of thousands of people. you were marching with the families and friends and supporters of hostages yesterday. what's the latest on the negotiations? >> reporter: it is very much a focus of the white house and also of the israeli government. you're right. the conversation was at length, which is notable wording in a read out between prime minister and benjamin netanyahu. there are few details other than that. negotiations are ongoing. largely held with qatar who communicate with others involved in the conversations to try to make some sort of progress. worth noting, israeli radio reported that the army has not found evidence that the hostages were found at the hospital. so that part of the search continues as israel trying to find some way to locate 239
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hostage there is. it's worth noting that the defense minister, he met earlier today with the white house's special coordinator for the middle east. in that discussion, the defense minister told him that the operation would continue against hamas until it's defeated and all the hostages are rescued. >> oren liebermann, thank you. in a matter of hours, the fbi director plans to issue a stark warning that the israel-hamas war raised the threat of an attack against americans in the united states to a whole other level. he's spet to speak before the homeland security committee. he emphasizes efforts to root out terror threats to the u.s. saying that the fbi has, quote, kept our sights on hamas and have multiple investigations into individuals athe filluated with that foreign terrorist organization. he says america will continue to be alert and careful, but they shouldn't stop going about their
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daily lives. the fbi's men and women are working with urgency and purpose to confront the elevated threat. today in california high-stakes meeting for the president. he will meet with xi jinping. it is summit there on economics. they will meet on the sidelines. this follows months of tension over a bruising trade war, a pandemic and escalation on the military front. the aim is to turn down the temperature and try to restore the military to military communications. senior national correspondent david culver joins us. you have such unique perspective because you spent three years in china under xi jinping as the president. so the stakes are very high. what is the key that you believe people should look for out of this meeting? ? >> reporter: it's daunt ing whe you think about all the issues taking place. the list, we can show you it.
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it is just never ending. any one of those on their own would be a major issue, yet you have them collectively and wonder where yo do you start? the biggest focus, more than anything else, is creating global stability. no pressure, right? tough, but that's what many of the economies are going to be look ing for as they are here fr the other main event, that being apeck. if you have an agreement on chinese crackdown on fentanyl, if you have the reestablishing of military communications between the u.s. and china. if you get shotgun out of clooi mat, that would be a win, no question. but these are very difficult things to come to an agreement on between the u.s. and china when you see so much is really going in the opposite direction. more than anything else, this is going to be about stopping the downward spiral. it's something that we have seen over and over saying what almost feels repetitive, but the low just keeps going down. >> what about particularly as it
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pertains to the war between israel and hamas? how biden is expected to speak with xi about china's relationship is with iran and russia. >> he's going to want leverage to those relationships. he knows that china has a cozy relationship with iran. and even cozier with russia. president xi has called president putin his best friend. and so the u.s. is going to likely heavily lean on that. the question will be if china will bring action to this. there will be substance beyond rhetoric. that's what u.s. officials are going to to want to see beyond what happens here today. >> david culver, thank you so much. we'll watch for this critical meeting ahead. overnight, president biden responding to donald trump calling his political opponents vermin, biden likening the language to the rhetoric of nazi germany. and republican tensions reaching a new peak in congress.
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what a day yesterday. the verbal and physical smackdownsns, that's a ahead.
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president biden hitting back at former president trump for calling his political rivals vermin. you'll remember he did that in the speech over veterans day over the weekend while speaking to donors yet. president biden kmared that comment from trump to nazi is rhetoric. he said, quote that's language
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you heard in sit germany in the '30s. with us is john avlon and sara fineberg. it's great to have you. you know biden. you were in the obama white house. he does not jump on every wild thing that trump says, but he did on this one. i wonder why you think that is. >> he did on this because it's so specific. it's so offensive. i think to not call it out is to do a disservice. so i think he did the right thing by calling it out. it would be nice if over the next couple days we didn't have a debate about whether or not this was as offensive as we know it to be. but if people turned away is and said, you know what, i have had it. i can't do this anymore. vermin is a step too far. >> turning away or ignoring it or trying to down play it and saying he's crazy, i feel like we have done that for six or seven years. it doesn't have any effect.
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so last night was another night where i was talking to donors around the campaign, if only we saw this on cam rarks we would feel comfortable about the message. >> that's whn the white house's power. they should probably take that note. but i think the problem is that trump is degenerating into something before our eyes that is far uglier and more dangerous historically than what we have dealt with in the past. it's not just the rhetoric. it's the policies that he's proposing. it's the threats and the vengeance. we should all be very cautious nazi is parallels. but that's exactly the language of hitler then you have to say
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we're heading into a dangerous place. >> switching gears here. joe manchin did an interview on cbs. and she asked the question, and if you run as an independent, doesn't that affect one of the front runners. here's his answer. >> i don't buy that scenario. i have heard that. and i wouldn't buy that because if you look back in history how things have played out, i don't think they thought ross perot would elect bill clinton. it would be help ing joe biden because it takes votes from donald trump. >> someone at the table, both people at the table know a lot about the history of all this. is he right? >> no.
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this is a specific case you can't say he took from both candidates. but just take a look at the other two cases of third-party candi candidates. bush wins by 537. that's green party voter who is thought he wasn't good on the environment. fast forward to 2016, jill stein, absolutely her vote total was the differential in three states. michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. so it's not about third parties per se, it's the stakes about this is a way someone who has a low approval rating with a narrow base can win and nobody can predict how not just a no labels candidacy all those independent candidates impact the trajectory.
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>> yo know all the players and how campaigns operate. it's not just will joe manchin run, it's jill stein is in, rfk jr. is in. it the proper amount of attention being paid to those candidates? what should democrats be doing? >> in terms of those potential third party candidates, the one i would worry about the least is joe manchin. not because he can't get votes, but because of all those folks, he's the least likely to allow this to get to a point where he would cost joe biden an election. this is someone who certainly enjoys the spotlight and is struggle ing with the fact i dot think he sees the path for reelection in west virginia. but ultimately, i do not think he will allow the country to end up with donald trump because of him. >> stick around. we're the not going to let you leave. i like hanging out with you guys. congress now on the path to averting a rapidly approaching
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government shutdown after a stopgap bill on tuesday. how is the the senate going to react? plus congress turns into an episode of jerry spinning er springer. one of the most bizarre days we have ever seen. >> you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults and finish it here. >> fine, perfect. >> you want to do it now? >> stand your butt up then. >> stop it. >> is that your solution? >> sit dowown. you'rere a united d states sene.
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choose your word, circus, mess, this is your u.s. congress at work, or maybe at war. capitol hill on tuesday more closely resembled a bad remake of "fight club". the house managed to pass a stopgap bill, but it needs approval from the senate. that bill extends funding until the middle of january for priorities like military construction, veterans affairs, transportation, house ing and t energy department. the rest of the government, everything not covered in the first step, will be funded through early february. it doesn't include aid to ukraine or israel. that's progress. progress before a shutdown, but lawmakers managed to find plenty of time for nothing more than schoolyard antics. phil, you have covered congress
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for more than a decade, and i think it's the affordable care act that you're no longer there that they are all misbehaving. >> i don't want to speculate, but that's not an unimportant element of all this. as you know well, congress is a lot like high school. there's clicks, there's a cool crowd and the nerds and the jocks. it operates a lot like the awkward four-year window we experienced in our teenage years. over the course of three hours on tuesday, that reality was laid particularly bear. let's start here. this is speaker kevin mccarthy. they don't like each other. that's just true. in the lead up to his ouster last month, burchett thought he mocked his faith. that didn't end wul for kevin mccarthy. why do we know that? of the eight republicans who voted to oust kevin mccarthy, one of them was tim burchett. now mccarthy's verbal disdain for the eight republicans hasn't been subtle, but target a reporter texas turned physical
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on tuesday when kevin mccarthy walked by burchett in a hallway and elbowed him in the kidneys. it's like a freshman year hallway dust up, to be clear kevin mccarthy denies anything intentional. >> i would not hit him in the kidney. not a very big hallway. >> let's show you the hallway. that is a hallway. it's the hallway in the basement of the capitol build ing. it's a place where reporters stake out lawmakers. there were more people in this space when the alleged altercation happened, but it wasn't packed. >> i was one of eight that voted against him. that hallway, there's plenty of room. you can walk four side by side. h he chose to do what he did. >> we're going to be joined by tim burchett later in the show.
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>> there was actually a second one and it may have actually been even worse. so who are these individuals? this was the equivalent of the locker room flex off. >> you said it, not me. >> that's what i have been told. the scene was a senate hearing on unions. that's where o'brian's past tweets became an issue, including one where o'brien called the oklahoma senator a clown. and add ed you know where to fid me. any place, any time. >> you want to run your mouth, we can be adults or finish it here. >> that's fine. perfect. >> stand your butt up. >> you stand your butt up up. >> stop it. >> sit down. >> sit down. you're a united states senator. >> i love bernie sanders, the peacemaker. you'll notice him reaching to take off his wedding ring. it's a classic prefight move.
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it's a move you nimight do at a bar late at night making really bad choices. not in a senate hearing room. that's a new one. but seem like what we are moving on. the reversion to high school was quick. >> it's not the it. >> he made a lot of statements. >> his statements are fictional at best. >> answer the question please. >> i can't understand him, to be honest with you. he rambles so much. >>s that just funny, but it's not decorum for the body. a quick note here. i think this is important to add. he's probably the last guy you'd want to pick a fight with on capitol hill. he's in the oklahoma wrestling hall of fame. he's a trained mixed martial arts fight er. he has a 5-0 professional mma record. >> you wonder if o'brien knew this. >> i think he did.
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>> there's a third. we have a trend. it wouldn't be high school without the cutting and petty personal jabs. i present to you house oversight committee james comer and congressman jared mosque wits. been going after the investigation into the biden family on the house oversight committee. on tuesday the attack dog fully triggered the chair. >> continued to try. i'm not going to give you your time back. we stop the clock. you all continue, you look like a smur of. >> hold on. if we're not on time -- >> first of all, love this. second of all, you were there for more than a decade. why is this happening now?
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>>smurf is new. to be clear, i'm oddly passionate about congress, about the institution. i take covering it extremely seriously. you know well. if they are going to act like clowns, i think on some level, we should cover it like the kir us is. there is an explanation here. the last two months on capitol hill have been an absolute mess. we have been covering it every step of the way. that means lawmakers have been in washington a lot most don't have families in town. there hasn't been much legislating. house republicans have been engaged in a nuclear war with themselves. people are ano, i don't, people are tired. one republican text me, everyone hates everyone right now. that doesn't seem great. and that's why the new house speaker said this about the recess. >> this will allow everyone to go home for a couple days for thanksgiving. everybody cool off. members have been here for ten
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weeks. this place is a pressure cooker. so i think everybody can go home, come back, reset. >> let's hope. >> g home, see their families. this is an actual strategy the leaders take. send the guys home because they understand people hit their brink after three to five weeks. they were at ten weeks. i'm not excusing this by any means. this is ridiculous, but people are fed up. >> thaw need a break. we're going to be joined by tim burchett. he's going to be with us later in the program. we'll ask him all about what transpired there. also this ahead, president biden and xi jinping will sit down face to face in california today. it's a big deal with big consequences for the world. david sanger is with us ahead on all of that. and we are continuing to monitor the military operation inside gaza's largest hospital. we have live reports from the middle east throughout the morning ask we will talk to an idf spokesperson in the 8:00 a.m. hour. stay with us.
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just hours from now, a sit-down between the leaders of the u.s. and china. president biden will be meting with xi jinping near san francisco in their first face to face meeting in a year. the summit is aimed at diffusing spiraling relations between the two countries. one reporter describing them as a distressful couple on the verge of divorce. that's not great. let's bring in political analyst david sanger. david, we're going to start with that low bar. u.s. officials have not tried to raise it over the course of the last couple days. what is the goal here when you talk to administration officials? what do they want the to take out of this? >> i think the main goal is to keep the two sides talking. that doesn't sound like much because in the talks i have
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covered over the past three decades, they usually focused a lot on things you could work on joint ly, whether it was climat or whether it was north korea or containing iran or in 2008-2009, moving in to rescue the global economy. there's none of that on the agenda here. there was a modest climate agreement reached by his counterpart in the days ahead of this, but it doesn't actually require the chinese to back off on their burning. you'll see minor agreements with the exception probably the chinese will commit to crack down on the export of the precursors for fentanyl, which have been a big issue. >> they did commit to that too
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with trump. you also have interesting reporting on artificial intelligence, as it pertain s t chi noo's increasing nuclear abilities and weaponry. what would that be? what would that look like? >> this is really fascinating. so the u.s. and china have never had these talks. the chinese until a few years ago kept what they called a minimum deterrent, a couple hundred nuclear weapons and we're down. the chinese are building up. and the u.s. has been trying for years to get, including during the trump administration, to get the chinese into arms control. they said absolutely not. but now they seem to actually be a little bit concerned about the
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potential uses of artificial intelligence. in quiet talks between jake sullivan and his counterpart, the leading foreign affairs official within china, they have begun to discuss the very basic agreement they would not allow artificial intelligence programs to be making decisions in your nuclear command and control. it sounds simple, it sounds sensible, probably more complicated than it looks, but i think you'll see them come out of this with a joint panel that will be in to examine this. >> we get the most can sit assessment from president biden in fundraisers, where cameras are not allowed. a couple times he cited china. he said they have some real problems. u.s. officials seems to think that gives them some space.
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what does that mean now? >> they sure do. and obviously, china in the years that we have been dealing with them in the past has been growing at 7 or 8%. their overall attitude has been you americans are in terminal decline. there are a lot of american official who is think this buys a little bit of time on thaiwan a country that is growing that slowly, probably would not take the risk of the economic sanctions that with would follow if they moved against taiwan. so you just keep hearing president biden time and again refer to this. i don't know if he's rying to rattle the chinese. i adopt know if he's making an observation that the power dynamic has changed, but it's the first time the u.s. has dealt with a slow growth
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kenchina. some believe that a slow-growing china is more dangerous because xi may decide he really needs to sort of stoke nationalism more. >> david sanger, thank you so much. given all the years you covered china, we'll be watching what happens today. great reporting. also this eight las vegas teenagers now facing murder charges in the death of their classmate and the attacks was caught on video. we have details, next. and the man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband testifying. what he totold the couourt and else h he saud he e targeted.. that's a ahead.
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this morning eight juveniles are facing murder charges in the bea beating death of a 17-year-old classmate earlier this month. police say there was a fight in an alley near the school over a pair of wireless headphones and a vape pen. >> the videos that we have mentioned throughout this investigation and that you have seen reported in the media, they
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are extremely disturbing. this should be a reminder to all of us to have those difficult conversations with our children and remind them that their actions have consequences. their actions have lasting consequences, their actions have life-altering consequences. >> the suspect ises are 13 to 17 years old. officials are not giving details about what led up to the the fight, but the victim's father says the son was trying to help a smaller friend who was being bullied. tearful testimony packed with conspiracies from the man accused of attacking former house speaker nancy pelosi's husband in their home in san francisco. he spoke for more than an hour spewing a barrage of conspiracy theories, many involving former president trump. this all comes more than a year after the 82-year-old pelosi was hit in the head with a hammer. we are following the trial and reports. >> reporter: the anime auz
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accused of attack ing paul peloi in his home took the stand in his own defense on tuesday. he testified when he brutally attacked pelosi a year ago. >> drop the hammer. >> what is going on? >> he was look ing for that houe speaker nancy pelosi. he apologized for hurting pelosi and said he feared for the then 82-year-old's life after hitting him in the head with a hammer. saying i actually thought he was dead until saw the charges against me and saw it was attempted murder. >> his tail light reveal ed a mn consumed by conspiracy theories. he started sobbing while claiming the media spread lies about donald trump and talked about believing one of his targets was promoting pedophilia. he also repeated to the jury what he told investigators about his intent behind the visit.
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>> reporter: other targets included adam schiff after tom hanks, bill barr, gavin gnu sm and a university professor referred to as target one during the trial for her protection. paul pelosi testified monday his ror ri after the attack is on going. one year later, he said he's managed to relearn how to walk, but still regularly gets headaches due to his skull fracture. he did attack pelosi, a crime caught on police body cameras, but says prosecutors are wrong about his motive, which they say is unrelated to pelosi's official duties. this trial is on federal charges of assault on the immediate family member of a federal official and attempted
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kidnapping of a federal official. he faces decades in prison if convicted. the state case against him on charges of attempted murder, burglary and assault is expected to start later this month. veronica miracle, cnn, san francisco. signaling a new timeline in the georgia election subversion case. what that means for donald trump and his allies. also the idf entering the hospital in gaza. there are reports of tanks and active fire fights inside that complex. we have the latest on the operation, straight ahead.
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i believe in that case there will be a trial. i believe the trial will take many months. and i don't expect that we will
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conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> that was fulton county georgia d.a. fani willis warning it could take more than a year until the racketeering case against the former president and allies could wrap up. if you're keeping track at home, that would be after the presidential election. so what does it mean for the case and trump's presidential aspirations? back with us to discuss is john avlon and sara fineburg. we talk about the calendar. and how often he's going to be in court versus how often he'll be on the trail and whether will thereby any resolution. what's your take? >> i i think it ignores the practical reality that donald trump is running for president, in lashlg part, to say out of prison. we need to say that stuff out loud. you think about the number of people clustered around him who would benefit from pardons from a sit ting president, including himself and his family. all the januaryth folks he's pledged to pardon. you say this racketeering
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investigation into an attempt to overthrow the election won't be done until after the presidential election, that has all sorts of assumptions baked in. otherwise, even though it's a state case a lot of the stuff gets complicated. >> you bring that up for a reason. this was the one that a lot of lpeople were looking at. the fact that she said that, it would track with how hard it was for them to see the jury in the other racketeering case she's been pursuing in georgia. >> that's right. i think john makes a really good point. you say the part out loud, which is the whole point is he's trying to keep himself out of jail. i think that's one of the reasons that we're seeing his behavior deteriorate beyond what we have seen in the past. it's like there's a panic now. it continues to spiral.
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>> i have a fellow hill rat at the table. >> it's a compliment. >> i can't imagine you have seen it get that bad before. is that a fair assessment? >> you mean two fistfights alone, no, i have never seen that. >> the politics now? is it because they have been there so many weeks in a row? >> i saw this stuff about they have been there too long and four weeks is the max and everyone needs to go home and take a break. give me a break. it was just so performtive. and i feel if everyone could just walk into the united states capitol every day or into their office on capitol hill and remind thelss it's not about you. it's actually about your constituents. it's not about looking like a man in the senate committee hearing, it's not about threatening to beat somebody up. it's just about getting stuff done for your constituents. and we have completely lost
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that. it's so performtive. it's embarrassing. >> there's a lot of playing to the cheap seats to get that attention. but it's also the downstream effect of donald trump. it's about the new normal, particularly among some folks is threats. intimidation, trying to act like a tough guy and get a lot of attention and brum bliss base level for that. but it ignores the fact that act like a u.s. senator. because eguess what, you are on. it's the senate chamber at 11:00 in the morning. i don't blame the teamster for pushing back. i blame the senator for acting like a total chump. the same thing of the alleged altercation between two sitting congressmen. what are we talking about here? grow up. act like someone who is a public erservant who has the public trust, who has the honor of serving in congress under the capitol dome, which is a sacred place.
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but instead we have seen this degradation and i they directly contributed to it. >> do they pay any consequence? >> of course, not. >> while those arguments were going on on the hill and acting like children, there's 300,000 people on the mall marching because they feel like the political tone is getting to a point where it feels like the 1940s. >> that's a great point. that's the juxtaposition. that's the split screen yesterday. >> thank you so much. good to have you. "cnn this morning" continues now. israel is carry ing out a precise and targeted operation at the largest hospital in the gaza strip. >> we have intelligence and operational necessity in order to defeat hamas and perhaps rescue hostages. >> a very complex operation, thousands of people are still at this hospital. >> negotiations underway to try to secure the

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