with a blocked all inside. >> i used to have nightmares about the box. those are the days that i distinctly remember being really, really frightening. >> aides for years had fought against the supreme court -- that ruling just three months before we entered the world in which she was not welcomed by all. and that day, and all the days that followed, really was isolated in the principles office, she ate lunch and one, she was the only child in her class, she wasn't allowed to join recess with other children. only one teacher had to grade to -- parents agreed -- their kids in the same room. >> the lesson that i took away that year in an empty school building was that no none of us know anything about just liking one another when we come into the world. it is something that is passed

on to us. so every time i see that i think about the fact that i was an innocent child that knew absolutely nothing about what was happening that day. >> we will be his innocence and eventually her pain is a good reminder that for a suffering world, both at home and abroad, courage can win, even if in the tiny shoes of just one little girl and on one particular november day. laura, my daughter has a book, it's called lady legends off a bit, and b is for ruby bridges. and i am grateful for that today and every day. >> you know, i am to. norman rockwell painting hung in my dining room as a child my entire life. it was passed down to my sister jennifer, now it is in her home. and i can tell you, there is not a moment that goes by when i was a student, one of very few number of black students in my schools ever in my entire life growing up. and i always thought about what it was like, and i am forever grateful for that little girl.

and when she became. so i'm so glad you monitor today. thank you >> have a good show. >> every time you think that they could not go lower, they do. tonight, i'm laura coates live. you know, i would say that the u.s. congress acting like schoolyard bullies -- bruised ego overlooking the speakership. may or may not have delivered a very sharp elbow to the kidneys of one team -- who, surprise, voted to remove mccarthy as speaker. >> i got a boat in the back, and it kind of caught me off guard, because it was a clean shot to the kidneys, and i turned back and there was kevin. and for a minute i was kind of,

what just happened. and then i chased after him, of course. i hit somebody, and they would know i hit them. if i can function, he would be on the ground. >> is he 12? come on, i'm not gonna, given a concern at olympic, asking it what he did and he is suffering the consequences. >> did you hear him, if you hit someone i know it hit him? an elbow to the kidneys, ladies and gentlemen you your elected representatives network this evening. and in this corner you have got senator markwayne mullin who today challenged a witness to a fistfight during a senate hearing. i repeat, a fistfight. and it may not have been an idle threat. the senator is a former mixed martial arts fighter after all, which isn't ordinarily a prerequisite for election to the, senate with the way things are now, i mean, who knows? >> you want to run your, mouth we can be two constituents -- we can finish it here. >> okay, that's fine. >> what to do it now? >> i would love to do it right now. >> let's take -- >> stand your butt up.

>> don't -- don't even know the last time i had gotten a street fight, i used to get paid to fight. >> this is actually real life, by the way, did you happen to hear the -- who today called congressman jared moskowitz a smurf. that was also, by the way, on your dime during a hearing. >> that is bull. you look at smurf here just going around on all the stuff. >> you are doing stuff, the american people have the same question. why should they -- >> who has proven me a liar, you? >> yes. >> i personally would have broken to the law law -- la la land moment. because i am just saying, i was a child of the 80s and remember the smurfs -- smurfs, fistfights, kidney punches, while mitch mcconnell, for him he sounds like he is a little bit sick and tired of all of it. >> very difficult to control

the behavior of everybody who's in the building. >> apparently it's childcare apparently so because some members of congress have forgotten -- if this were, fictional remind you that maybe it's something like this. >> that's my baby. [crowd chanting] [screaming] [inaudible]

>> [laughter] that's ridiculous! and yet, you heard what i said leading up to it, right? good luck, a lot to talk about tonight with men who know the house from the inside, former congressman fred upton and joe walsh. all right, no was punching babies, fellas. however, this is really absurd to think about. >> you know, they just used to use my initials. and now it is [inaudible] [laughter] it's fred upton, everyone, fyi, you figure it out. go ahead, it's a family show. >> family, show it's a cable, show so it's okay. you know, don't have the fcc stuff. but, it's a mess. and, you know, we know both of these guys. both joe and i know these guys. and one guy you don't want to be in a fight with his marc mullen. we have seen him in the gym, but he is, you know, he's a kickboxer. that's the guy -- >> he totally wants, to his name is not mark, it's not when, it's markwayne. remember, i was like, you know what. >> i'm fred, but he's markwayne.

at one point took his wedding ring off. to do something about that. you are the, senator bernie sanders saying, -- >> laura, none of it is issues based, mccarthy and work at getting in a fight, -- talk about them, it's a party, laura, that to my mind, -- that kind of knows they're losing the house. they are going to lose the, house they don't stand for anything. and we are going to have a year of this, just lashing out at each other. >> that's really counterintuitive, think about it? i mean, on the one hand, if you want to have the moral high ground, and be seen as the adult in the room. and be able to go again to the democrats and say, they don't know how to, govern they don't know what they are doing. it's what occurred to me that the last thing you would want is for people to know that this is happening.

i assume it always happens. but it is happening in broad daylight. we look at this right now, are you seeing this happening in your tenure as well? even behind closed doors? >> no, it wasn't like this, it wasn't like this. but, i'm not sure that the seven thing was all that strong. it's like, you know, a little job. it wasn't across the check in the black hawks or the capitals. >> well he said, if i had, somebody would know. by the, way you would have known -- >> if he had him, he would have known. kevin is a lot bigger than both of us. >> all i want to play for a second, though mccarthy obviously denies this ever happened. he said it did not happen. tonight, burchett says that the incident is a sad and to mccarthy's career, listen to this. >> i am just, it's just disappointing that this is the way he's gonna end his career, spiraling out of control. it's disappointing because we should be dealing with the budget, and all of these other things that i have said that are really in a crisis state right now.

and people like himself, it is all about them, and they're troublesome duties. >> so what impact on the congress, i mean, obviously the american people are watching. this now on the one, hand if it were real farrell and that galifianakis you would, probably laughing. but actually it's happening right now. >> we are laughing, but should we be laughing? >> no. >> no. >> because it is under dysfunction. but again, flores, republicans signaled to us before they even took control of the house, that it was going to be this way. they were going to investigate everything, they want to impeach joe biden, impeach every democrat. it, they signaled to us that these two years were going to be chaotic. if it's not a surprise that they are now fighting with each other. >> they can't get anything done. instead of taking, i mean, they had halloween of. i know we are complaining that we have been in ten weeks, i don't know, their weeks are like three or four days. >> welcome to the rest of the world who works all the time. >> meanwhile, they knew about

this november 17th deadline for, what? six or seven weeks now? and so now they are going to punted into next year. they are probably not going to do a lot between now and next year. maybe they are in terms of legislation votes, they have a couple of things have to do, like the national defense authorization bill. but in essence, we are going to see what that next version is gonna look like until they come back in january. >> it's gonna be the same thing as it was this week. >> there was almost a fistfight on the floor when mccarthy first went through the process of becoming speaker. i mean, so this is, they have been on this road. >> it's part of this because there is not the well known and strong leaders headed to the republican party right now in the house? there is no, i, mean there is no -- >> control is so slim. . and you have this rule that kevin agreed to with mccarthy. to vacate the chair with one of a. you know, i was a member of the problem solvers caucus. we actually change the rule, we forced nancy pelosi to accept a

change which kevin then reversed when he became speaker. so literally tomorrow, brigitte or somebody, else they can, you know, the argument against kevin, was oh, he worked with the democrats to pass the c r. one more vote than they did in september. whose vote was it? mike johns. he was a no vote in september, he was a yes vote this afternoon. so, if, is it going to be the same? standby now going to have a one person say, we are going to have a vote to vacate the chair? at some point, you know, whether this or january. >> laura, the elephant in the room, whose party is this? this is trump's party. they have learned from him. they imitate him. they emulate him. this is what he does. >> well i guess they would say bring it, then in that moment, fred upton, i will lose your full name not your -- that was his, phrase everyone, also joe wallace, thank you so much. so, do we just have to, i guess, resign ourselves to this kind of behavior from our members of congress? another like officials?

i will talk about next, a professor of history in american studies at yale university. joanne freeman, she is the author of the field of blood, violence and congress and the road to civil war. how is that for a cliff-hanger? america? we will be right back. actually, can i talk to her now? good. i want to talk to her right now. i don't want to go to break, i want to talk to her right now, because honestly when i look at all that is happening right, now we are seeing everything that is happening in the world. name if your book gives me a little pause, because one thing is that you didn't just read it after this week, it wasn't like it is here right now. when you see all that is going on in congress. instead, anything that is relevant again tells me this is happening before which is very scary to think about. i mean, you heard him brigitte, parties incident, juvenile at best, more notorious -- what do you think when you saw this? >> certainly speaking as someone who did read a book about physical violence in the u.s. congress and the ap, --

1850s, let's there was a lot of physical violence -- so maybe part of what i was thinking today was all of this happened in one day, that in and of itself -- something included from the work i did on my book which is that what we are seeing is reflective of the state of affairs in congress today in the republican party and the state of the nation and by that i mean if you think about what political parties typically can do then one of the things that they can do in one way or another is in force discipline of some kind of party discipline and taking members in line and keeping them from perhaps punching each other or shoving them in a hallway or growing out names in the hearing another thing that political parties do is that they have an agenda or a mission or a policy that draws them together and unites them

and enables them to work together -- some of what we saw as a historian -- party to sony functional party and without all of the things that our party does and all of the control that it can force. we are seeing this all through uncontrolled behavior in congress -- >> if only congress had something to do with their time than they might be distracted enough to not fight one another and it's absurd to think about that being maybe a solution. and you're right when you think about it, you off to have more things than this going on and policy disputes. certainly backstabbing, figuratively all part of the washington post see. it's another ball game, but this kind of violence is not new. i, mean we've written a book about it. in fact, there was an incident, a story you talk about more recently involving john boehner that a lot of people never

heard about. hostility involving then freshman house member john boehner toward another lawmaker, listen to this. >> florida house, freshman member, railing against -- next thing you know, i am finished with my speech, -- i'm up against the wall. and i've got this teenage -- ten inch sharp blade right here. this guy screaming at me. i looked at him when i went, screw you! >> first, of all i'm at the table, for members of congress, they, like we know what happened that day. this is happening in some place, they became friends later. but this wasn't widely known until a couple of, i think, what? years ago. what is your reaction? >> well, it's a reminder, this is not necessarily an encouraging or comforting reminder, but there are a lot of things going on in -- that we don't know about. so even i as someone who has spent 15 or 17 years writing

this book and looking for congressional violence, it was at the last minute that that particular incident crossed my radar screen and i thought, oh, wait a minute, if this is on in our immediate past and i have been looking for this sort of material and didn't see it, imagine what else is sort of looking behind the scenes? so i suppose it is part of what we can frame what we are looking at today, as a reminder that what we are looking at is public. and thus noticeable. but there is probably always some degree of something looking behind the scenes. and i think that what you just mentioned a moment ago is an important part of what we are seeing here, which is precisely because there is so much at stake. right? because of the possibility of a shutdown, because of gaza, because of ukraine. because of having just gotten over the contest to appoint a speaker. because of any number of things that are really right now even just the idea of a presidential election, coming all of those things are so fraught and so

extreme that the republicans can't pull themselves together, don't have a unified policy, don't have party discipline, and it makes that all the worse. >> if these walls could talk, before democrats get out their popcorn, they're -- on those walls as well. john, freeman thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> we have got some breaking news tonight, israel says that its forces are carrying out a precise and targeted operation at the largest hospital in the gaza strip. with hundreds of patients and staff still inside. we will have the latest next.

our breaking news, israel says its troops are right now carrying out a precise and targeted operation, the largest hospital in the gaza strip. the hospital, israel says, includes a hamas command center. allegations denied by hospital officials and hamas. hundreds of staff and patients are reportedly inside that

hospital, with several thousand people who sought shelter from israel's military offensive. now to break and was, happening retired general steve anderson. so, first of, of what is meant by this, and i'm quoting them, targeted and precise operation. >> well, laura, what we are talking about here it's precise operation in a compound. this is not just a hospital building, but it's a compound. you have got 1500 faculty members, staff members, and patients. and this probably thousands of people living in the areas, in the sheltered areas, in this area right. here so when what you have to, do you have to pinpoint exactly what, you have to pinpoint the spots and conduct precision operations. that doesn't mean indiscriminate fighting, or indiscriminate firing of missiles. it means going in with boots on the ground to take out the bad guys. you physically have to go in and occupy these buildings. in this case, tunnels, because there is many tunnels, as we know, underneath here. >> so when you talk about

having to know that precision, the ground operation leading up to all right now, it would have prepared for this very moment, with special forces? >> that is exactly, right you want special forces, you want infantry, troops, you want folks that are trained and how to do this. now they are using robots, they are using technology to the best of their ability. but there is nothing that is gonna replace a soldier that is down in the tunnel, conducting an offensive operation to take out the bad guys, it's the only way to do this. there is just no technology that is probably gonna be able to allow you to overcome that basic fact, you have to have boots on the ground, in the target area. >> they are calling this a command center, of course they are denying. that but, i mean, is there indication that this is a high value target area? >> absolutely, if you look at the tunnel map here, laura, you can see that the al-shifa hospital is essentially, in this area right here, what do you see? you notice a lot of tunnels. there is a lot of tunnels all over that northern part of gaza, now what the israelis have done a very good job of is cutting the country in half.

they have essentially come across here, they are moving up from the south, they are coming down from the north, and they are also surrounding this area. and they have got this news that they are applying. but they have done a very effective job of conducting a campaign that allows them to essentially control this entire area. and they're conducting precision attacks inside that area, which i think is a very prudent move on their part. they cannot go willy-nilly into this gaza city area, they need to do it in a controlled and methodical way, and the best way to do that is to surround the area and conduct precision attacks with boots on the ground, and targeted areas like the al-shifa hospital. >> but what we know about these tunnels so far is that they could likely be housing hostages. how does that complicate it all? >> it complicates greatly, your spot on target, i mean, that is the big problem, otherwise you could do things like for the tunnels, you could cut off the air supply. but when you have hostages down there that really complicates the thing. all the more reason to have soldiers that are trained in

how you take out the bad guys. it's the only way you are going to have a chance of saving the hostages. by using people that are trained in this, you are not going to be able to use probably technology, and you are not going to be able to do some kind of a mass weapon because you could take out the bad guys, you are gonna take up the hostages. so they have to do it the only way possible, precision attacks with soldiers that are trained on how to do this in a tunnel environment. >> so much to think about, the reasonable those hostages in those tunnels in, an area like you say, where hospitals in needed. unbelievable, thank you so much, general steve anderson everybody, thank you. could it donald trump be in a georgia courtroom on election day? how about inauguration day? well the d.a. down their fani willis speaks out on the georgia election subversion case. and just how long it could last. we'll talk about next.

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expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> mark your calendars, nearly better 2025 means that by the time there is a verdict, governors will be president of an elected by then. and that includes, maybe, the former president donald trump. now, if it goes past, say, inauguration day, and he wins the election, a lot of caveats here, he will already be in the white house. sounds a lot different than what willis told reporters back in august. remember this? >> we do want to move this case along, and so we will be asking for a proposed order that sees a trial date within the next six months. >> six months. and at the time, everyone kind of scoffed at that notion, because of course there are 18 codefendants. for them already taken a plea deal, meaning, do the simple math, everyone, carry the, one that's 14 left. now if erekat hearing case involving rapper young thug, that d.a. is also overseeing it,

if that is the kind of preview of what is to, come and we have a long way to go. that wrapper along with 27 others was invited back in may of 2022. get this, the jury selection lasted nine months. and the case will go to trial on november 27th, and it's almost 18 months after the indictment. get some more perspective right now in all this, from day there, and a former federal prosecutor. david, first of all, i am a little surprised that she is talking. because she obviously knows that every single word she says is going to be completely leaned in on and taken apart. are you surprised that she spoke about this? >> i am surprised that she is making public statements about, it i think when she you look at what she is saying, and you look at what is being represented to the court, i'm guessing that it is gonna be very similar. so she is probably not going to be beyond what is on the record in, court orders unusual for a elise prosecutor, chief prosecutor to make public statements like this. >> the other idea of what she, saying it's not necessarily about this, but just the realistic trial date.

the process. and it always seemed a little -- prosecutors will come out and, we have a timeline in mind -- when you charge a case with competent legal theories, a lot of different defendants, all of whom have the right to make motions, the schedule is going to shift. and we have seen that in some of the other ongoing cases as well. it is not a surprise that the case like this could take this long. if, if all of those defendants stay in the mix. >> it's a big, it's because you're, right for already said now. you and i have tried, cases when you think about what your jury pool looks like, but also, what is going to be the most crisp argument to make your jury? the idea that there's a looming election that's going to be very, very persuasive and helpful with the prosecution. the idea of one of the rearview mirror maybe not so much. is this now hurting their case? >> you know, of course the judge is gonna be instructing the jury not to think about any of that. >> okay, they are gonna ignore that. they're all gonna be, like okay, thank you, your honor. >> exactly, exactly. >> it is so hard to predict

these unprecedented influences, how they are going to happen have an impact on the jury. or really what the consequences of former president becoming the president elect, what consequence that could have on the judges management of the trial. >> i always look at this in terms of what is now lead, and you have heard, saw the proverb for sydney powell. that janice ella -- have now pleaded guilty in this case, fani willis also filed an emergency motion to try to seal, have a protective order in this case. the fact that there were leaks that although, i mean, how does that bear in terms of the actual trial? >> i, off it was a surprise to me, probably expressed you as well, but there was no protective order in place. >> right, i thought that was on to. engaging in discovery without a protective order. but, local practices are different in different places. so that was a surprise. i don't know how much of an impact this will have. i mean, there could be an argument that there is some painting of the jury pool or

some witness invitation. but really looking at the little clips that i was able to see, i don't know how much of that was coming in as evidence. or really what the legal consequences of it being leaked is. if someone did violate an order, standing order of the court, or some other directive depending on where the leap was from, you, know there could be a consequence for that person. >> well, there is one order in fulton county, there is one of course in d.c.. involving jack smith. a gag order, they are trying to have an appeals court appeal to uphold it, excuse me. what do you make of the chances of that happening? >> of the order in d.c. being upheld? it looks to me like that is a narrow order that is designed to let this judge, you know, the judge in d.c., conduct that case. the way that a case should be conducted. and in any case, the defendants shouldn't be making comments targeting president of the case, prosecutors or personnel, witnesses, jurors, so i think that it really stands a good chance of being upheld, maybe modified a little bit.

you, know i villa corta. but that seems like a very well tailored order to just maintain an orderly proceeding. which is really the judge's responsibility. >> i love that you are operating in a normal world still, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> glad to see, you david, thank you. listen, the man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband, he took the stand, testifying in his own defense. and he claims that he became caught up in conspiracy theories and drew up a list that included even tom hanks. the dramatic d day in coururt is next.

chilling testimony, but an even

more just chilling. plot the man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband with a hammer taking the stand today it is on defense. david depape claiming that he hit paul pelosi because his larger plan was at risk. and that plan included a -- conspiracy theories on line, he said. it involves targeting people on a hit list. a list including nancy pelosi herself, congressman adam schiff, the actor tom hanks, former attorney general bill barr, california governor gavin newsom, and a michigan professor. the -- this all started after his exploration of gamer gate, a massage in a stick attack platform against women, critical of the gaming community. joining me now is -- julia cayenne. juliette, i mean, break this all down for us a little bit here. it's a lot of different conspiracy theories that play. and what is happening now? how do you get from conspiracy theories to this thing called gamer gate, to the no tacking on paul pelosi? >> yeah, so we will start with

gamer gate, about 2014 the sort of, you know, online effort to go after attack, undermine, ridicule, all sorts of things. women who were either criticize in the gaming industry or were actually executives in the gaming industry. so what you need to think about, sort of all of these weird things. like a margate as sort of gateway ideologies. none of them sort of stop where they are. they all become gateways to something else. and in this example, you know, gamer gate becomes a gateway to the conspiracy theories and then to the sort of right-wing efforts and right-wing conspiracies that he becomes a part of. and then launching to nancy pelosi. so, they seem different and all bizarre, but they really service gateways to each other, and there are people who will bridge those gateways, steve bannon has actually said that game camera gate proved fertile ground for a lot of the efforts

that he would then push to support trump. >> so in terms of the people who might be more susceptible to, it because a lot of people are exposed to conspiracy theories, they are aware of conspiracy theories, he himself described himself as a right-of-center, he listens to podcasts, a lot of people do. but then if somebody is more susceptible to being able to do what he has done? there's a lot of different elements, i'm going down the rabbit hole i'm gonna actually execute a plan against the secular lying to the presidency. what we do know in a lot of these instances is that they are looking to not, double negative, they're looking to not be alone wolves. in other words, they want that union, that cooperation, that community, that the online groups give them. they sort of egg each other on. they are pushing each other towards more hate, more misogyny, more racism, more anti feminism.

that pushes at least one of them forward. who is that one person? what we know from a lot of these cases, they are white men, they are taken in by gamers and it becomes a gateway to right wing extremism, in this case, or at least some form of political extremism. they are uncomfortable in their own skin, so to speak. they are looking for people to give them validation, and so their hatred then gets taken by this online community and then they go forward. so the element of these men being so massaging his stick and they hate filled, are a lot of it is their own insecurity and uncomfortable-ness in their own skin. so when you look at, for example, a lot of these guys who are being homophobic, a lot of them getting arrested or being exposed for being. if you look at the people who are critical of or worried

about children being taken by democrats, a lot of them have eventually been prosecuted for child pornography, if not child molestation. so there's a horrible nexus between the thing that they hate and the very thing that they are. >> this is somebody who went through a lot of rabbit holes and he was somebody who believes that 9/11 was an inside job. he thinks that everything was a lie from the press. he's gone down a lot of rabbit holes. when you describe what you talked about, what is law enforcement to do? are they only able to be reactive? these are perhaps the needles in the haystack, trying to figure out which person, a member of these communities, that might perpetrate a crime. what is long enforcement to do? >> a lot of it is going to do be defense especially against vp's like pollen nancy pelosi. i was surprised at how isolated paul pelosi was. obviously nancy pelosi had been there they would've been more security and the idea that this

is a political crime is ridiculous. he thought that nancy pelosi was in the house he was going after them. we know from deradicalization and we know from a lot of studies that have been done at this stage that the best community that can grab people out of this rabbit hole is if their family and friends. the community that sees this happening. and then even in his case, that was true. his community, the people around him, saw him getting more and more radicalized, more and more into these theories, but really we are very dependent on people coming forward we're trying to get people out of these rabbit holes that they begin in and remember, gamer gate is just one thing. it is like a gateway drug. you find them there and all of a sudden you're going to learn that radical extremism, radical political extremism, which as

we head toward 2024 is a disconcerting thought. >> julia thai am, thank you so much. it's very concerning. unbelievable. tens of thousands rallying on the national mall in support of israel. one of the organizers for the march for israel will join me nextxt.

>> a huge show of support in the capital, tens of thousands in a march for israel, filling the national mall. the goal was to offer support israel and call for the release of more than 200 hostages held in gaza. top u.s. political leaders were there to lend support. >> we stand with israel.

>> the survival of the state of israel and her people unites us together, and unites all americans. >> and a plea from the mother of a hostage. >> we all have third degree burns on our souls. our hearts are bruised and seeping with misery. but the real souls suffering are those of the hostages. why is the world accepting that 240 human beings from almost 30 countries have been stolen and buried alive. >> in the lead up to the rally that homeland security designated the demonstration is a level one security threat, allowing for inter agency support. seemingly the event went on without a hitch. joining me now, julia platt, the chair of judas fared away

shuns of north america, one of the two organizations that planned the rally. julia, you just heard one of the mothers of a hostage, and it seem to hit really close to home. for all of us, thinking about what is at stake here, what was your reaction? >> i can barely stand it. i can barely stand to listen to her. there were many families of hostages with us today at the rally. it's hard to imagine how they sleep, how they go through their days. there are little children who are hostages. i have grandchildren. i can't imagine what that feels like. we actually just heard the perhaps there's one more hostage, because i think one of the hostages may have given birth. so to imagine that scenario, as a hostage, i can barely stand it. >> that gives me pause to even hear that. the idea of somebody, anyone being taken in that way. and then to see a need for a rally and a march against

antisemitism in the year 2023. and i have so many people turn out for marching. what did that mean to you? >> we believe that it was the largest gathering of american in history. our guest is about 290,000 and allies of the jewish community came together today. we needed to be in community. we need to know we have each other, that we would be listened to in this fight against antisemitism and in our great desire to help free the hostages. it felt great to be together. it felt empowering. it felt like coming out of isolation in pain and fear to stand strong into stand as a community and to voice our great desire for help. >> there's a broad spectrum of views even within the audience in terms of what comes next. listen to this moment, there was a call from, in the reality, from van jones.

listen to what he had to say. >> i'm a piece guy. i pray for peace. no more rockets from gaza, and no more bombs falling down on the people of gaza. god protect the children. god protect them. let's end all the horror and all the heartbreak in the holy land. let's and all of. it [applause] >> there was initial applause there, you hear, but then 60 seconds later, listen to this. or 30 seconds later, actually. >> let's take a stand here against indy jewish bigotry. let's take a stand against muslim. let's take a stance here against hatred. [crowd chanting] >> you're hearing a chant of no cease-fire, no cease-fire. why do you think that was the chant following that statement? >> i believe that there is a fear of american that in solidarity with israel that internal hamas has been rooted out there will be no freedom

for palestinians or israelis. hamas has got to be removed from power and removed from the stranglehold they have in the palestinian territories and in israel. the worry about a cease-fire can't happen. now we can't have a cease fire. what will happen with the cease-fire? they'll simply re-arm. something dreadful like what happened on october 7th might be enabled by a moment to regroup, re-arm, re-strategize. it can't happen now, until hamas as been removed as a threat, both to the palestinians and israelis. >> how do you reconcile the humanitarian crisis happening among the civilians? >> i do truly believe that it is the desire of the israeli people and of all people of goodwill to deliver humanitarian aid. i know you have seen and read

that it is very possible that those efforts are being blocked by hamas itself. it is all of our desires to save lives of innocent civilians. we believe it is a jewish value to hold on to life, that every person is made in the image of god. but terrorism cannot rule. it can't rule us. it cantwell palestinians. >> julie, thank you so much. there is so much to say and to unpack. we should not be here for any of these reasons. i appreciate it so much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you all for watching. our coverage continues.

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