tonight the special counsel saying they're withdrawing the gun charge calling it invalid. the justice department saying it is not legally binding which, of course, is contrary to what biden's lawyer claims so that is ongoing but comes in this significant context which is that hunter biden's lead defense attorney is asking to withdraw from the case. christopher clark who has overseen the case says he has to leave the team because he could be called as a witness in future proceedings. obviously the legal storm surrounding the president's son is not clearing up any time soon as a special counsel now is -- the special counsel is taking over and his wide, wide purview for any investigations that arise from the investigation into hunter biden. thanks so much for joining us. anderson starts now. tonight on "360" just hours after being indicted, the former president promises that this time years later he's really got evidence of election fraud. no, really.

he's claiming that. also tonight breaking news on his former chief of staff and current co-defendant mark meadows who now warrants the trial moved to federal court and the latest from maui where president biden is 34re7b8ging every federal asset needed and the need is enormous. we begin with the breaking news in the wake of last night's rico indictment in georgia, the former president and 18 other, one of them former trump chief of staff mark meadows filed papers late today asking to move the case to federal court. rudy giuliani facing 13 counts said this afternoon he'll seek to do the same. we'll talk more in a moment about this and the case to be made for it with our legal experts and whether the former president might join in. right now, though, he appears to be rushing head long into the past. two years and seven months since leaving office four criminal indictments and 71 fell ni charges later donald trump says he can finally do it. do what all his attorneys and motley cast of characters around him were unable to do in dozens of court cases around the country in the days and weeks,

namely prove election fraud. posting on his social network this morning, he announced a press conference next monday at which he'll present a, quote, large complex detailed but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud which took place in georgia. by the way, if you think you have heard this before, you kind of have. let's go back, the date, january 4th, 2021, dalton, georgia. >> since the election, we have put forth indisputable evidence documenting the rampant fraud which will be announced on wednesday, as you know. >> he was making the same e. tri promise then that he's making now. by the way, just two days before he claimed that in dalton in 2021 he made that call with brad raffensperger, and other election officials and trump supporters and offered up a string of claims as if they were indisputable and these officials refuted each and every one. in apparent frustration he then made the now infamous request which is part of the charges against him.

>> i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> he didn't. it's also worth mentioning that he made that call, that claim in dalton, georgia after repeatedly being told by his own people, law enforcement agencies even attorney general bill barr that there was nothing to his claims and after a string of court defeats in georgia and elsewhere, 61 in all including the supreme court so now almost three years after losing, he says he's going to produce in his words some irrefutable report that shows he's right. can't wait. today, georgia governor brian kemp, a republican and trump supporter in 2020 weighed in tweeting, the 2020 election in georgia was not stolen for nearly three years now anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward under oath and prove anything in a court of law. doesn't sound like he will be on the edge of his seat either

wai waiting for monday. rudy giuliani spoke today not as the famous rico prosecutor he once was but as a criminal defendant and claimed he is still the american people once respected. >> i'm the same rudy giuliani that went after the mafia. i haven't changed one bit. >> not one bit. cnn's katelyn polantz has new reporting on the former mayor. what more are you learning? >> reporter: well, anderson, we have learned through a series of court filings just this week from rudy giuliani where he's fighting lawsuits so totally separately from the criminal indictment he is now facing in georgia he's fighting these lawsuits and he's having to tell courts that he's out of money or at least he's out of cash, because there are so many things around him in the court of law that are causing him to have a lot of expenses and so just looking at this, it is a pretty dire state of affairs for rudy giuliani based on what's in the court record. right now, we know that he has at least $181,000 in total

current bills. that includes bills he has just to keep his electronic records hosted somewhere on a monthly basis and that if he wants to do a search of those records which he's going to be needing to do not just for a lawsuit that is happening right now but for other potential investigations and lawsuits in the future he has to pay them additional money to do those search, money that would amount to something like $15,000 or $23,000 and in one of the court filings yesterday, his lawyers essentially said giuliani doesn't have that money right now. he doesn't have $15,000. that's even less than what giuliani was asking as his day rate when he was working for donald trump on the 2020 campaign litigation so it's a small, relatively small amount of money for a lawyer, the former mayor of new york city, that he's just not able to get together and he's saying also in court that he can't provide detailed financial information because it would embarrass

giuliani, draw attention to his misfortunes but there are clearly a lot of things bearing down around him, not just with that, there also was a very protracted negotiation apparently that the court filings discussed where he was trying to get someone to donate money to him to pay some of his legal fees, specifically a debt of $320,000 that he owed and that debt was ultimately paid by the save america pac but took months for him waiting for that money and at this point in time there's no indication that donald trump is paying other legal fees for rudy giuliani and all of these lawsuits are all moving forward at different stages, one of them is very close to potentially being ruled against him. it's a case that is from the two georgia election workers and we're just waiting to see what a judge is going to do with finality. >> he does seem to have some assets. i think i saw his apartment in new york on park avenue on the

upper east side is for sale for some $6 million so seems like he would be able to get some money at some point. katelyn polantz, thanks for the breakdown. someone well afainted with rudy giuliani, cy vance. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. what do you make of the attempt by mark meadows to move it to federal court? why would he do that? what's the benefit? >> i think the idea is that the federal court will be a perhaps slightly more manageable -- >> venue? >> -- court for the defendants' cases to be heard. when we subpoenaed donald trump in 2019 for his tax records, he filed court -- he filed a case in federal court in order to get the case essentially the issue moved into the federal judiciary. i think to me it's all about the supreme court. i think he's looking for the

quickest way to go through the federal system and get the issues before the supreme court. my speculation is that he feels that's a court that will help him on these questions of law. >> one of the arguments that has been made about having this in georgia is that if he is elected president and he somehow pardons himself in anything else that obviously he doesn't have pardon power in the state of georgia, nor does the governor there. if it was moved to federal court and all was moved to federal court, would that negate that? >> well, if he ultimately was charged in federal court and convicted in federal court, yes, i think it would any gate it because the state case would be presumably dismissed and then it would become a federal action, but i think clearly the importance of the state prosecutions, our investigation that took us to the supreme court twice to get the records from donald trump, my

successor's case now d.a. willis, these are important backstops and i'll tell you why as an example, if i may. we started our investigation into the trump organization finances and the like and the u.s. attorney in new york, who is a wonderful person, asked their office asked me to stand down with our case. i felt i should, because i feel we need comity between the agencies and i did but to my surprise after michael cohen pleaded guilty the case dropped in the southern district so we lost a year and a half and it proves, i think, anderson that you need to approach these issues with the spirit of, yes, let's not argue about silly thing, let's try to work together but at the end of the day the state needs to look after the state, and the state cannot depend on the federal government to look after states' interests. >> fani willis talked when going to trial of all 19 defendants.

just you've done that, i mean, you've had large trials in new york. how difficult is that? is that possible with 19 -- >> 19 defendants is a large number, and it's a difficult number for a court to manage. but we in manhattan during my tenure had cases of much larger groups of defendants. they were particularly gang cases. the challenge in this case is you have to have all 19 defendants, you have first of all a complicated factually complicated and set of charges. you have some folks who are marginal on the error and some like the former president at ground zero of the case, so the judge is going to have to manage defendants' different allegation, different kinds of motions, it's a lot for the court to manage, on top of managing donald trump. >> some of those 19 theoretically could make deals prior to this going to trial. i mean, as you said, some of them are on the fringes of this,

others are right at the e epicenter. >> sure, the rico count as i understand it, you'll have experts on later but has a 5 to 20-year rank of sentencing so anybody in this defendant group who is looking at five years is going to think long and hard about whether or not they really want to wear the trump flag and go over the cliff carrying it. i think there will be defendants who want to cooperate and resolve this. i'm not sure that d.a. willis needs their cooperation. seems like a strong, straightforward indictment. obviously it's quite detailed and there's not a lot left to imagination. >> right. >> it is what it is, and she'll -- i think she'll push forward. 19 is a big number and particularly dealing with the president as a defendant. >> you talked -- we were talking previously will the importance of a judge in a case like this, keeping things moving. what have you learned about the former president in your experiences in court?

>> chaos agent. you know -- >> he's an agent of chaos. >> he is an agent of chaos and i think his whole career is kind of going from one disaster to another, and distracting attention from the last disaster moving to another but being happy that he's in attention. right now politically he's completely consumed all the air time on the republican nomination for president even while he's being indicted. >> how does that play out in a courtroom or in a legal battle with him? >> what play out? the agent of chaos? >> well, i think what it means, first and foremost for the judge in this case is how do you manage a man like donald trump as a defendant? an average defendant who has said what he said, who has done what he's done under indictment would be hauled back into court and threatened with contempt, incarceration or a huge fine. none of those things necessarily

are dissuading factors for donald trump. again, i'm speculating but were he to be put in jail on contempt for doing something as stupid as his picture with him and a bat and d.a. bragg's picture right next to him, clearly intimidating but were he to be put in rikers island, i honestly think he'd probably use it as a mechanism to, you know, to excite his crowd and his -- >> no judge has really -- this is unprecedented. so there is no judge who has experience with a character like this. >> no, i don't think ever with a character like this. but clearly the judges that are involved are experienced and i think they all bottom line are going to really need to control their courtroom. they need to be the manager to set expectations of decorum and what is responsible behavior and what is irresponsible behavior, and they need to hole the former president to account. how they're going to do that

because the typical tools that a judge would use may, in fact, not be as effective with the former president. but i think ultimately these judges are going to make it work and there's something sobering, you know, you saw president trump when he was in the manhattan courtroom, you know, he was not a man in control. nor at his arraignments in florida or in d.c. i think he understands the weight of power and the momentum that is rolling up against him, whether that causes him to act like a normal litigant or not, we'll see. i hope so because it's not good, you know, we've already had one attempt to overthrow an election. we don't want a continuing effort by the president and his supporters to overthrow the judicial process as well.

>> cy, thank you so much for your time. coming up next more on the breaking news, mark meadows' push to push the trial to federal court and his chances for success. the latest from hawaii where the death toll is nearing 100 and could climb higher tonight.

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georgia. what his chances are and whether the entire case might end up in federal court. how at one time top trump aide and confidant in the thick of his final dis got to this point and jake tapper has that. >> reporter: in donald trump's previous federal indictment connected to the 2020 election, mark meadows had managed to escape any charges leading many to wonder if the former white house chief of staff may have turned on his former boss. >> i think one name that's obviously not in that -- in the indictment is mark meadows, who was kind of the ringleader of all of this. >> reporter: but meadows' fate changed monday night when the grand jury in fulton county, georgia, charged him and 18 other defendants including the former president with racketeering and in the indictment the defendants, quote, joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of trump. beyond trump himself meadows is the highest ranking official to be charged and the indictment outlines the key role prosecutors say meadows played

to try to keep trump in power. >> mr. president -- >> reporter: in the weeks following trump's election loss meadows got involved according to the indictment on november 20th, meadows and trump met with michigan legislators in the white house where the former president made false claims of election fraud in that state. the next day prosecutors say meadows sent a text to pennsylvania congressman scott perry asking, quote, can you send me the number for the speaker and the leader of pennsylvania legislature. potus wants to chat with them. the following week meadows and trump met with pennsylvania legislators at the white house. the same day co-defendants rudy giuliani and jenna ellis also traveled to the commonwealth and, quote, solicited, requested and importuned them to unlawfully appoint presidential electors from pennsylvania. meadows was also allegedly deeply involved in the efforts to overturn election results in georgia according to the indictment. he traveled to cobb county,

georgia, and attempted to watch an election audit that was in progress but not open to the public. he was turned away. meadows then arranged a phone call between trump and then chief investigator for the georgia secretary of state, francis watson. >> the people of georgia are so angry at what happened to me. they knew i won by hundreds of thousands of votes. when the right answer coming out, you'll be praised. >> reporter: perhaps the most notable 23 not damning phone call was with secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> mr. president, everybody is on the line and this is mark meadows, the chief of staff just so we all are aware. >> reporter: where trump told raffensperger this. >> so, look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> reporter: that earned him a second charge for solicitation

of violation of oath by a public officer. jake tapper, cnn, washington. joining us now alyssa farah griffin who served as communications director in the previous administration and michael moore, cnn political men tater and former obama special adviser jim jones. michael, does it make sense legally that mark meadows because of his position in the federal government at the time would want to be in federal court? >> yeah, it's a good potion to make and i don't blame him for making it. there is a removal statute that allows someone charged with a crime if they were a federal official that involved their federal duties to ask that the case be transferred so there is a limited number of defendants i think you may see with that opportunity. >> would the form -- if it -- >> i expected this from trump all along. when you look that, all the acts, 161 acts that they're

talking about in furtherance of the conspiracy, 154 occurred while he was a sitting president of the united states. that's a pretty strong argument to make that maybe the case should move to federal court as it relates to the former president and, of course, you know, mark meadows was his chief of staff and what more can you -- how much more could you be involved in the federal government being the chief of staff for the president. >> alyssa, stunning to see mark meadows' name in an indictment because in the january 6th indictment, i mean he's -- chief of staff is mentioned but he is not charged. >> i think a lot of us assumed that mark meadows was cooperating with the department of justice and i actually think otherwise now, so folks in his camp, they kind of official public line is that he complied with a subpoena but has not flipped with the department of justice. i tend to believe that and i tend to read into it that doj thought he was such a valuable witness they'd rather work with him through the channels of the subpoena than try to charge him in this. georgia is a different ball game and always been with him. when you look at especially

laying this out, you know, as the conspiracy charge, as the rico charge, he falls very clearly in that with the actions he took so i think he's doing the bare minimum his attorney is advising him. his attorney served in the bush white house and i think trump will follow his legal leads. >> how would that change the shape of the case? >> i mean, in every single way. >> you actually think it should be in federal or you would like it to be in federal court. >> well, i mean, there's this cost benefit analysis, i think in some ways it would be good because cameras aren't allowed in federal court. it's a lot more of a structured process. i know all of the federal court judges take their responsibilities very seriously, not saying that fulton county superior court judges don't. >> you think from given all the publicity it would be a mess in state court? >> i think there are going to be a lot of problems with security and i think the fact that cameras will be allowed in the courtroom will allow the

attorneys to really put on a show, and let the litigants put on a show too and at the end of the day as much as we talk about this on tv or whatever, it is about laws that were broken and people that need to be held accountable. >> what do you think? >> i see it differently because i do think that given people the opportunity to actually see how this stuff works is good. and, by the way, this is a different prosecutor than jack smith. it's literally the opposite approach on everything. with jack smith i'm going to focus on donald trump, i'll mention a few people. she says i'm coming after everybody. i'm coming after everybody and you're all in trouble and all going to get it and that's different. mark meadows, hands off mark meadows, huh-uh. i'm grabbing mark meadows too. >> she chose to go forward with this long before anybody in -- >> this train has been coming. this train has been coming the whole time. jack smith is late to the party. she should wait.

no, jack smith was late to the party. she has been working on this for a very long time and if people don't like it, if people don't like rico, well, where have you been all this time? this same prosecutor was using this to put rappers and teachers in jail. if you didn't like rico then you should have said something about it. a lot of us on the progressive left have been concerned about overabuse of rico but if there's ever a time to use a statute like this to get everybody who is involved and send a message, you cannot conspire to overthrow an election in the united states and get away with it and if jack smith wasn't willing to go after everybody, she is. >> what do you guys think about cameras in state court? >> in fulton county it would be nothing new to have a camera in the court. obviously you won't have the cameras in the federal court. i think there's something almost about the sanctity of the courtroom at the same time where you don't have lawyers and clients putting on a show and it could become a circus and we're talking about here a case where you've got 19 defendants and you're going to stack --

>> although it is likely by the time this goes to trial there will not be 19. >> it is, but sometimes, you know, when you fish with too big a hook you get stuck yourself and that may be where we're at here, in a place where you got to, you know, tip your hat to the d.a. for moving forward on a case but at the same time, there are maybe these unintended consequences. there will be some who fall and you can look at the indictment. she's got an a group and b group and she'll squeeze the b group and the best way to do that is list them in an indictment. >> after this motion came down from the meadows camp, i think they were starting to see a lot of other folks who may be wrapped up in this thinking this is the poff to try to move it to federal court and the argument is simply going to be whether it's the documents case in miami or this in georgia. there are things that affect the presidency that have not been tested in these state courts the way that in a federal court they're prepared to handle. someone like a meadows, listen, he deserves to be charged but he has the best case you'll have about executive privilege and about conversations he's having and advising role with the

president. that's something a federal court is prepared to handle in a way that i think this could be very complicated in georgia. >> everyone stay with us. a lot more to discuss including what is an overt act and when texting someone for a phone number lead to a conspiracy indictment, plus, hunter biden is down a lawyer. we'll explain what happened plus other new developments in his legal troubles ahead. ♪ drumroll by lónis, little league ♪ ♪ ♪ this just in ♪ ♪ got the keys to what you want and what you need ♪ something new somet♪ ♪ moving to a differenteat ♪ ♪ okay now (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a (get a) drumroll? ♪ ♪ (what?) can i get a drumroll drumroll? ♪ ♪ (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a can i get a drumroll please (oohh) ♪ ♪ that's nice (yahh) ♪ ♪ ♪ ya, can i get a drumroll, can i get a drum- ♪ ♪ that's nice ♪

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breaking news about mark meadows wanting to move his case to federal court. it appears to have confused some of the defenders of those indicted. how, for instance, could prosecutors call him text messaging someone for a state lawmaker's phone number an overt

act as a criminal conspiracy and for that matter why are 12 tweets by the former president and a retweet by rudy giuliani also listed as some of the 161 overt acts prosecutors say prove the existence of a criminal conspiracy. last night district attorney fani willis explained. as you examine the indictment, you will see acts that are identified as overt acts, and those that are identified as predicate acts, sometimes called acts of racketeering activity. overt acts are not necessarily crimes under georgia law in isolation, but are alleged to be acts taken in furtherance of the conspiracy. >> back now with the panel. so, michael, it's important because you hear that a lot today, they're charging him for sending out tweets. >> yeah, i mean, think about an overt act like this. it just moves the conspiracy forward a little bit so let's take a bank robbery.

driving down the look while looking at the bank may not be a crime unless you're speeding but driving looking at the bank, nothing wrong with it but if you then rob the bank and you've got an agreement with a couple other people to do it that becomes part of that conspiracy because you were casing the bank. >> so do you think it was right to make this a rico? >> absolutely. i think, look, from my perspective, this is broad, wide, right, and we needed to bring in as many people as possible and in a lot of ways looking at it from the perspective of arizona and michigan and pennsylvania and georgia, you start to see that this was very systemic in what they were doing. what they were doing in pennsylvania was what they were doing in georgia and the way i looked at the federal case is that really that's the umbrella of what they wanted to do nationally. and georgia was 9 implementation on the ground. i think with respect to the district attorney, i think that they've done an incredible job. she's working with a lawyer named john floyd who is literally written the book rico state by state.

he knows exactly what he's doing and whether you like rico or not or you think that it's appropriate, here it is absolutely appropriate and it's going to bring in everybody who actually was a part of and did something in furtherance of this conspiracy. >> it is extraordinary, though, for those who, you know, grew up in new york watching rudy giuliani prosecute mob cases with rico, for him now to be at the epicenter of this massive rico case. >> how far he's fallen. >> he says he hasn't changed at all. >> well -- >> that's a problem, right? >> he was really terrible before and nobody knew. because he's terrible now. but that is, i think, a part of the big irony here is that you had an american hero, he's america's mayor, you know, some of us didn't like everything he was doing when mayor of new york but was a respected guy and he's somehow now crawling around begging for money so he can have a lawyer to help him get out of trouble he caused for himself when he started lying about an election outcome and he is a

central character in this drama. you cannot tell the story of donald trump's scheme to stay in office without having a star of that story be rudy giuliani. so he cannot run, he cannot hide. how far he's fallen. >> this indictment reads like a cast of characters of people who came into positions of extreme power, of huge power in this nation and who were ultimately corrupted by it. any turn they could have stopped and said, this is enough, this is going too far. some didn't know better perhaps but most did know better and were desperately trying to cling on to power after knowing they had lost the election. nobody spoke up. no one did the right thing and that's where they are today. >> michael, we talked about this last night, the courthouse put a document online earlier in the day. they now come out with another explanation saying it was some sort of a sample that was being done as a test run. does that make sense to you? >> i think there's coordination

that happens between a d.a.'s and clerk's office. i wouldn't be surprised if they said this is coming down tonight, be ready. this will help you get your fields filled in in the computer. it was a mistake and it was a serious mistake. and the reason was it was just like turning the gas onto the fires of the people who want to find some reason to think there's a conspiracy. i think it was just human error and it's regrettable it happened. doesn't affect the case but gives ammunition for those who want it. >> i want to thank everyone. new developments in the prosecution of hunter biden. his lead defense attorney has asked to withdraw from the case and david weiss said that contrary to hunter biden's attorney's claims that deal to resolve a felony gun possession charge is no longer binding. kara scannell joins us with details. what more do we know about the attorney withdrawing? >> reporter: this his longtime criminal defense attorney chris clark who helped him the entire time and they said he is seeking

to withdraw from the case because he could be a potential witness since biden's team intends to challenge these now collapsed plea talks because clark was involved in the dealings one-on-one with doj throughout this five-year investigation and in negotiating the plea agreements that the judge did not approve, so now they're saying that they want to take him off the case so he can't advocate for biden because they might need him as a witness in a future proceeding, anderson. >> what's the latest on the plea deal negotiations? >> so right now the one thing that both sides agree on is that the tax plea agreement is moot and they should dismiss the charges filed in court that lundeen did not plead guilty to as initially planned. the reason why prosecutors wanted them out they say they want to bring a potential case in a jurisdiction where these alleged crimes took place, either in california or washington, d.c. and it was only because biden was going to plead guilty they agreed to do it in delaware where the u.s. attorney david weiss who's now been

elevated to special counsel had ultimate jurisdiction so biden's team is agreeing with that. where they are not on the same page still this deal to resolve a felony gun possession charge and in that case biden's team is saying they think this deal is valid and binding because it was signed by prosecutors and it was signed by hunter biden even though the judge did not sign off on it but prosecutors today saying it's missing another important signature and that is the chief of the probation department for the district of delaware, she did not sign off on it so therefore it did not go into effect and is not binding. both their points of view are before the judge and she didn't like this deal so we're waiting to see what she'll do next, anderson. >> do you know if it was intentional that the probation hadn't signed it or do we know why that hadn't been signed? >> new additional details in the filing but say they continued to try to work out the deal even after the judge adjourned for the day, but prosecutors did not agree with it. i mean, they were pretty close to this deal in court and the

judge had some questions, so it's not clear if because she didn't officially stamp it that procedurally stopped it from going to the probation office. that could be one of the issues. they haven't elaborated on it and it's not clear if the probation department had any particular issue but wouldn't be surprised if we learned more about that in the coming days. >> kara scannell, thank you. next they survived the hawaii wildfires. now residents are trying to get through each day, the scramble for food, water, aid, just ahead with our bill weir who is in maui tonight. ♪ somewhere, anywhere... ♪ ♪ i just want to lie motionless i in a chair! ♪ booking.com, booking.y.yeah ♪ ♪

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only at togo's. we're expecting to hear from hawaii's governor over an hour from now but efforts to contain the wildfire and an update on the death count already confirmed to reach at least 99 people. president biden made his first comments on the fires after days of criticism that he hasn't been more vocal about the tragedy. hundreds of federal personnel including navy and coast guard are on the ground helping with rescue and aid efforts, though the president promised to travel there soon and pledged full assistance. >> our thoughts and prayers are with the people of hawaii, but not just our prayers, every asset, every as sasset, they ne we'll be there for them and

we'll be in maui as long as it takes. >> hawaii electric says power has been restored to 80% of customers. many are struggling to get by and bill weir has been on the ground in maui and joins us again tonight. what is it like tonight? >> reporter: well, this is really fascinating, anderson, a dramatic scene just played out. in the kula neighborhood miles away from lahaina, which, you know, is right on the beach town. this is up country as they call it here. up in the mountains where several hundred homes have burned, but we just witnessed, see these bottled water drop-offs people are having, we witnessed a couple of three guys from oahu who flew over as volunteers who were taking that water and hiking through the brush and putting out actually active hot spots over there that are flaring up right now. these are -- this pyre is only 60% contained and there are little these leftover fires from last week up in these canyons just as they were fighting a fire with bottled water, basically a private helicopter

came, saw them and dropped a big bucket of water right on that hot spot. so, this is the response, i know we're talking, we're hearing that a week into this, the cavalry is coming, but we got guys putting out fires with bottled water and volunteers in helicopters in this neighborhood at least at the moment, anderson. >> are you seeing federal aid? are you seeing -- i mean, you know, fema, are they on the ground? how many military personnel on the ground? what sort of -- what kind of an organized response have you seen? >> reporter: well, i got to tell you and we've both covered a lot of these things, i spent all weekend with just citizen first responders setting up these relief pods in neighborhoods, and didn't see a single person in uniform. the only maui county officials we saw were the cops working the checkpoints, as well, and here we are, i was expecting to see humvee, maybe helicopters today.

still haven't. that doesn't mean they're not out there. the pentagon says today there are six new missions launching from the army command here in the pacific. all kinds of relief effort that they've got coast guard and military personnel fighting fires but honestly we haven't seen it. the locals here are shocked that they're putting out fires in their backyards while they're cutting down burned trees and are surprised that the road is still open the way it is. >> the governor says the number of fatalities could rise significantly. i mean, how are people dealing with this especially people being asked to give dna to try to help identify people who have died and, i mean, you know, the strength of those fire, some people just disappeared. >> reporter: oh, exactly. it was like a big crematorium there. about a dozen -- only about a dozen actual remains have been identified with -- from the dna. a couple dozen, three dozen or so families have gone in who have missing relatives, loved ones to give their dna. i spent some time this afternoon

with a woman who se 83-year-old mother is missing and they're ps cycling through the stages of grief and think she is probably gone because the house is completely gone but they're holding out hope until someone can confirm this. this is being played out family by family in hawaii, not just in lahaina, but at the same time, many of them are working in resorts, you know, putting on tiki shows or giving massages to folks who come here, so it is really complicated times for hawaiians. >> i'm so glad you're there. if you want to help find the information in one place, cnn.com/forward slash, impact or text hawaii to 707070 to donate. next, a cnn exclusive never seen footage of the ukrainian navy using an unmanned sea drone last month to attack that key bridge linking russia to occupied crimea. the ukrainians are now saying it was them who did it after all.

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now a cnn exclusive. you likely remember last month ukraine used an affirmed sea drone to strike a vital bridge that links russia to occupied crimea. the weapons are remote controlled, and tonight for the first time you're going to see the video feed from that sea drone during the attack. nick paton-walsh got access to the footage. th here's his report. >> reporter: it's become the most beleaguered symbol of russian occupation. this weekend moscow saying this incident was just a smoke-screen, foiling a ukrainian attack on the $4 billion kerch bridge, the link between russia and occupied crimea that putin seems to dote on. now cnn has obtained exclusive footage heralding a new way of warfare of another earlier devastating ukrainian seaborne drone strike there in july. from the ukraine yn security services, the sbu, who say they

did it and more will follow. this is exactly what the drone pilot saw. thermal imagery. the water rippling. as up to a ton of explosives approaches the bridge. the feed then obviously went dead as it hit the concrete. russian officials say two civilians died in the attack. cameras on the bridge covered the first blast on the road section. the cursor shows the drone moving in. and another on the railway tracks at about the same time. ukraine has been coy, some officials saying these huge blasts are from, quote, unidentified floating objects. but no long why err. the head of the ukrainian security services told cnn this is just the start. >> translator: sea surface drones are a unique invention of the security service of ukraine. none of the private companies are involved. using these drones, we have recently conducted successful

hits of the crimean bridge, a big assault ship on that gorsi gorniak and tanker. >> reporter: an attack on the amphibious assault boat on which ukrainian officials said 100 personnel were on board. it was a remarkable feat carrying r. carried out by a growing fleet of what they call the sea babies. hundreds of miles away from ukrainian bases and right in russia's coastal heartland it put the black sea's east suddenly at risk. >> translator: these drones are produced in an underground production facility in ukraine. we are working on a number of new interesting operations including in the black sea waters. i promise you, it will be exciting, especially for our enemies. >> reporter: ukraine's ingenuity again and again toppling the lumbering russian goliath. >> nick, i mean, it's

fascinating that they are being so public about this now. how have the russians adjusted their strategies in the black sea in response? >> reporter: yeah, we don't know a huge amount about what russia can do to stop these drones with the significant payload that they do indeed carrying. you saw at the beginning of that report how they're using smoke screens over the weekend around the kerch bridge. but then they're very explicit, they were worried about ukraine adaptive missiles potentially hitting. so it's unclear what sea water-level defenses they may have. we've also seen them earlier on this week using messaging to try to stop some of the grain shipments going through the black sea, taking a helicopter to sort of board a grain ship there as well. so a variety of things certainly moscow i think taken aback by the extraordinary reach of these drones and their explosive power. remember, as you say, just because the security services are talking about this publicly now might perhaps mean they feel comfortable enough in evading any potential russian countermaneuvers, anderson. >> nick paton-walsh in ukraine,

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tonight the attorney for sean and leigh anne tuohy released a statement after former nfl player michael oher filed a lawsuit claiming they lied about adopting him and made millions from the story. the attorney for the couple says the false allegations are, quote, outlandish and hurtful and absurd, adding that the tuohys offered him, quote, structure and support and most of all unconditional love. the attorney also says they've always been up-front about a conservatorship and they would never oppose canceling it. or claims the couple saw him as, quote, a gullible young man whose athletic talent could be exploited for their own benefit. he wants the conservatorship to end and an accounting of the money learned from his name. the fictionalized version of his story was the focus of a movie "the blind side" and a book by the same name. that's it for us. "the source" with kaitlan