want doed when he thought he was after he signed those papers? >> that's the big question. i reached out to his attorney to get answers, but what was the switch? he signed multiple nfl contracts. at what point did he realize he wasn't making all the money he should be making from his life story. >> one of the things he's saying, at least in the media, is when he was in the nfl playing football all the time, he didn't have time to think about all this other stuff. now that his career is over, he's only now realizing what took place beforehand. >> and it's important to know the family says they were able to actually adopt him because he was 18 years old. so conservator sship was the on option because he went to ole miss. there was the whole all that could have happened there. but it's to be continued. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for joining us. this is "cnn news central." "inside politics" is up right now. today on "inside politics,"

a criminal enterprise with donald trump at the top. the charges from prosecutors traced 161 criminal acts starting before election day. the phone calls, the e-mails, the meetings and the video tape lies that follow. plus trump's 18 co-defendants in the election heist featured two movie poster names. mark meadows and rudy giuliani, the mayor who built his brand on locking up the mob. and a pivot point or a shrug at the surreal indictment number 4, will it test the theory that lot eat will clinch the nomination. i'm phil mattingly. let's go behind the headlines and "inside politics." up first, what prosecutors say they can prove against donald trump. for forgery, intimidation, fraud,

perjury, hacking, all in furtherance of a scheme hemmed by the former president. the atlanta journal constitution laying out the scope of the new charges with trump at its center. the report captures the law and order like drama. prosecutors painting as a 21st sench century of a trump. last night america watched the indictments make its way in and back out of a fulton county courtroom. the previews of what could be a rolling spectacle, live te televised trial of the former president. the next important day on the calendar, august 25th, that's the deadline for trump to surrender we start our coverage outside the cross with cnn's paula reid. you have been covering this so closely. what stood out to you in these 98 pages? >> reporter: two key things.

the first is how the district attorney chose to structure this case pursuing a racketeering or rico case. now these are laws that were designed to dismantle organized crime. so she's alleging a conspiracy and charging not only president trump, but 18 of his allies, even if each of them were not involved in each of the acts, she's charging them as a unit. now it's also notable that she is charging other people not just former president trump, which is what we have seen so far with the special counsel. here are two of the names that stick out. rudy giuliani and mark meadows. rudy giuliani was mentioned in the federal indictment, with us he was a coconspirator, he wasn't charged. mark meadows was at the center of this entire conspiracy was absent from the federal indictments. so notable to charge so many co-defendants including these big names. now there are some logistical questions about exactly how she's going to prosecute a case given the time constraints.

listen to what she said last night. >> do you intend to try all of the defendants together? >> yes. >> have you talked to jack smith? >> i'm not going to discuss our investigation at this time. >> it's note thabl she wouldn't answer that question about whether she had spoken with the special counsel. there would be nothing wrong with them speaking and coordinating and would likely have to. as part of this indictment, she lays out specific actions that she alleges that the defendants undertook including lying to state officials and lawmakers, creating fake electors and part of the process in trump's favor. harassing election workers, pressuring the justice department to interfere in georgia. the pressure campaign on vice president mike pence, reaching

voting machines and a ko coordinated cover-up. former president trump has denied any wrong doing. he called this shocking and absurd. and he has until next friday to negotiate his surrender. >> stay with us. also here to share their political and legal insights, evan perez, and former prosecutor for the southern district of new york elie honig. i want to start with carry in terms of actually digging in to the indictment itself. two of the 98 pages, we have seen 91 charges against the former president of the united states and just a little more than four months. it's easy to get things lost given the scale here. this case specifically, paula hit on that point. what does it mean going forward? >> i think one of the most interesting things about comparing this particular indictment to the one that is most similar on the federal side, which is the special

counsel's charges related to the election. it has to do with the fact that the da named many of the coconspirators. what that does and how it's connected to the rico charge is it enables this indictment to really tell the story of the conspiracy that is alleged. which under the law she asserts is a violation of the georgia racketeering statutes. by seeing all of the named coconspirators, it much more clearly than the federal indictment, it enables it to understand the broad scope, the number of people involved from the highest levels to the lowest levels of ij individuals who purported to be electors. that's one of the biggest differences between the two. >> i want to play sound we just got from chris christie.

take a listen. >> i'm uncomfortable with what i read last night. i think that this conflict is covered by the federal indictment. election interference is election interference. it's been charged by jack smith. i would have less of a problem if she decided i'm not going to charge donald trump here because he's been charged for this conduct by jack smith. but rudy giuliani and meadows and others have not been charged at the federal level. that would be a more defensible indictment, i would think. >> evan, you're our lead correspondent. i'm not going to ask about the political strategy behind those statements, but the question for me is the special counsel's office, i know they are not talking about these things, but is that an issue that they

potentially have here given this is all stacking up together and targeting the same person? >> i do think they are going to run into each other. i think at some point, there might be conversations triggered by a judge who wants to understand how are you going to do this. jack smith has laid out in washington. they have laid out a schedule to put donald trump on trial. so there is going to have to be some kind of workout between the special counsel and the state, but i think the former governor's criticism is an odd one because this does happen all the time. and sometimes etspecially when there's a major crime, you see this that state charges and the feds charge. sometimes the feds decide to go first and the state comes in afterwards. one of the things that happens often is in case of one of the

prosecution's fail, you have another one that backs it up. and in this case, there's the concern that donald trump wins the election, he's going to pardon himself or a republican wins election, they will pardon him. so the state charge would be a way for donald trump to face some consequence that is not at the mercy of a republican president. >> it's a great point. in georgia, it carries a five-year mandatory minimum. one of the first potential actions we expect the defense team to take is to try to shift this from a state to a federal jurisdictions. talk about that and whether or not that's viable at this point. >> that's right. the argument they are going to make is that the former president will not be able to get a fair trial in heavily democratic fulton county. if they are able to remove this at the state level to the federal jurisdiction, the biggest advantage, is it will expand the pool of potential

jurors and make it arguably more fair. now there's the added bonus for him that this is removed to federal jurisdiction if he is convicted, there would be the possibility of a future president offering a pardon or a comation. that's just the first line that they are going to levy against this indictment. you are going to see them fight some of the actions laid out on first amendment grounds. that's what's going to happen in court. but in the court of public opinion, they are going to argue this was politically motivated and there are problems with elected political prosecutors pursuing former presidents. >> you're an alum rudy giuliani made his name on busting mob bosses and breaking up the m mafia, now being charged in a rico case. he's also being charge d with

making false statements. i want to play something for you to listen to. >> look at that woman taking those ballots out. nobody in the room. they look like they are passing out dope. not just ballots it's quite clear they are stealing votes. >> he's talking specifically about ruby freeman, the election workers who testified both behind closed darts and publicly at the january 6 committee, very powerful statements of the personal pain they have had to deal with for being falsely accused. of wrong doing, there's zero evidence of that. and they are at the center of this case. they are one of the pillars. what do you make of that? >> thank you for saving the rudy giuliani question for me. i'll just say he has disgraced himself. he was a figure that we held in high regard at the southern district of new york.

i arrive d a couple decades later, but i went to the prosecution field as well. and he did do great work using the rico laws in the 1980s to take down the mafia here in new york city. those statements that we just heard him say that he said several times in front of georgia officials are the most easily provable piece to have this entire case. they are outright lies. there's proof that he knew they were lies. they are vicious lies. that's charged as part of the crimes in the indictment. i should add those two victims, you should expect them to testify at trial. and wow, are they going to be extremely powerful witnesses for a jury to sit there and watch their testimony. their lives were destroyed by these lies and they dezeserve their day in court. >> thank you. great reporting as always. now i want to back down. trump tease what is he calls a major news conference on the georgia indictment. when and where that will actually happen, that's next. thy

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so if the third time is the charm, what is the fourth time? evidently, something that induces rage. donald trump's campaign released this statement last night. fulton county district attorney fani willis is a rabid partisan, called election interference or mapgs. it's a dangerous effort to suppress the choice of the people. it's un-american and wrong. alayna treene is live with the latest. what's the word inside trump world right now? >> they have been through this now three times before. and so they have a playbook they have cultivated over the past several months. they believe it is working. so they are going to continue to use it. his team tells me. one thing i found interesting is what donald trump posted this morning. he said he was, quote, hosting a major news conference at 11:00

a.m. on monday of next week in bedminster, new jersey. he said he's going to use those public remarks to present a report that his team has been working on, riddled with the false claims that the election results in georgia in 2020 were rife with fraud. now we know donald trump has been peddling these claims and they are simply not true. there were two recounts that show joe biden won the maujty of the votes, but this is what the donald trump and his team are using to deploy as their strategy to defend him. but one thing i found really interesting about this is they are not just going to be arguing that this is election interference and that donald trump is a victim of political persecution. they will argue that, but they will be disputing the facts of the case. one thing i'm watching for is how the allies will react to that report specifically.

they will echo and share his continued false claims really that the election was stolen in georgia. >> here to share their reporting and insighting, david chalian and pollster kristen anderson. i want to start with you. you are perhaps the most rigorous reporter i know, also very careful and fact-based. based on all the court cases and investigations and audits. >> absolutely not. >> i joke, but this is going to become important to not allow

this to spread to some degree. and that's my question. alayna makes a a great point. they have a strategy and a playbook, which they deploy ed over the last three indictments, all of which have been effective for their republican primary audience, but this is different. why do they go down this route? >> first of all, this indictment is so much more sprawl ing, so much more sweeping that we have seen in the other previous three indictments. obviously, there are indicted in this case making this instance so much more far reaching than in the previous cases. but i feel like the trump team needs a broader base of attack in responding to these charges. that's a part of it as well. i also think one thing you're going to see from the trump team is what the clerk's office in atlanta says was a mistake in posting of that early version of

an indictment that named president trump, they are claiming that it was an error, that it was the wrong document, but you already see trump's team kind of point that out and seize on that to make their case. but i do agree with alayna that when the trump team produces their so-called report next week, how many of their allies, not only the people supporting them, but allies on capitol hill, who seize on the report and use it to bolster trump's defense. >> it's going to be worth watching and taking names. it's important, in my view, to differentiate a republican primary electorate and the general election, where right now by 20-plus points, the president seems to be headed twoords. but on the primary front, i want to play shotgun that the former president said a couple weeks ago.

>> every time they file an indictment, we go way up in the polls. we need one more indictment to close out this election. one more indictment, and this election is closed out. nobody even has a chance. >> i don't think it's a scientific or calculation there, but to this point, we have not seen any slippage in his polling over the course of the first three indictments. do you think this locks things up for him given where the race stands? >> i don't often agree with the the former president's interpretation of the polls, but in this case, while i don't think each indictment has caused him to have a massive spike or however he defined it, it has caused a rally around him effect. and it has made it harder for his opponents, who are trying to introduce themselves to the republican field, to be able to get air time and to be able to differentiate themselves. so many republicans, even those who aren't necessarily planning to vote for trump, nevertheless, they are sympathetic to his arguments that he's being

prosecuted because he is a political opponent, because he is who he is, the charges are too sweeping skpun fair. . it's put opponents in the primary in a box. they are unable to really say, hey, donald trump could be facing prison time. we cannot nominate this guy. it winds up meaning that folks like ron desantis are in a tough spot. they can't differentiate themselves effectively, and it's made it harder for them to gain traction. i wouldn't expect trump to bounce 15 points, but it does further slolidify his larger gains that he has seen over the last couple points. >> just to underscore something that's important. what some polls have shown, largely most of the polls since these indictments, even people who are supporting candidates in the primary not named trump don't want to hear those candidates go after trump a as it relates to the indictment.

so it is broader than just trump's base of support inside the party that just doesn't want to hear an attack on him. >> you wouldn't have the top tier candidates going against trump refusing to do this if they were seeing that gave any indication it would be of value to their campaigns. i don't necessarily get it when you're down by 30 points, but i understand there's nothing telling them to do. i did want to ask you. the thing i've been thinking about all day and definitely don't have an answer to yet, is we have been talking about the cash crunch based on the legal issues that the former president has been having. the fcc filings laid that bear to some degree. this is the former president, another indictment, 18 cocon spear torts. he's been financing a lot of the legal feels for his allies. you mapped this out going forward. how big of a problem -- if you look down at the last four

months, that money is still going to be going other places than his campaign organization. >> there's no doubt about it. you see in recent social media posts from the former president, that's getting under his skin. recently as last week, i think he was sort of bemoaning that money that he would rather be spending on television ads or campaign proper expenditures, he is spending on legal fees not just for himself, but for his allies that's not where he want it is to go. he gets how linked the political and legal here is. that is the definition of trump's 2024 candidacy. >> stay with us. we have much more to get to on this. coming up, do you hear that sound? it's silence from most of the top 2024 gop contenders on their main rival's fourth indictment. when will they attack the front runner for his legal woes?

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silence is a virtue, that's what parents everywhere say. also saves you the mantra of the top republican presidential candidates. what they have been going with in the wake of donald trump's fourth indictment. one of trump's rivals is actively defending the front runner. >> these are politicized

persecutions through prosecution. i do not want us to become a banana republic where the party in power, whoever that party is, use police force to indict its political opponents in the middle of an election. we're not governed by gods. we're governed by flawed human beings. all of us are flewed human beings. but a badge judgment is not the same thing as a crime. >> our panel is back with us. dynamite literation aside, we tou touched on this in the last block. i want to get more into it because you watch the posture of the republican candidates, it's telling because if there were a benefit to this in their minds or the minds of their teams, they would probably be doing something different. but will herd has been critical of the former president. he centered his cam pan on that. he says another day, another

indictment and another example of how the baggage will hand joe biden reelection if trump is the nominee. he will use it as another opportunity to manipulate americans into paying his legal bills. that threads together what seems to be when you talk to republicans behind the scenes the most effective duel argument here's. >> i think the center of that statement from congressman herd, the one about trump having a lot of baggage headed into the election, is probably the most effective piece of the puzzle. for trump's opponents, going after him on the merits of these charges, that he should not have engaged in this type of behavior, that's likely to fall flat. but the argument of i like donald trump, but he's going to be coming into the 2024 election against a very weak joe biden, and he's just not going to be able to bring the sort of fire we need because he's going to be tied up in courtrooms. there's too much at stake. we can't risk it. i can't guarantee that will be the winning argument. donald trump may at this point

be so far ahead. but if there was an argument to work and try to thread that needle, the eligibility in 2024, we just can't risk it. i like him, but we have to turn the page. that maybe the close st thing hs opponents have to a winning message on this. >> david chalian, two days before the former president has a deadline to turn himself in in georgia, there's something that's happening in the campaign. right, it's the first debate. what's your sense from talking to campaigns from the sources that you deal with in terms of how they want to position themselves going into this? if you look at the august calendar, trump indicted? the january 6th case, arraigned, yesterday indicted in the georgia case, eight days away, gop debate, two days later, the deadline to turn himself in. >> if donald trump is not on that debate stage, the other campaigns are going to have to seize that as an opportunity to make their case with probably the first sort of tune-in for

many republican voters into the race a as to why they are best to be the non-trump candidate. we're still in a world where the battle here is not only to defeat donald trump. but the battle among everyone not named trump is to emerge as the sole alternative to coalesce the half of the party that's looking to turn the page from trump under one candidate us is. so i think we'll see that battle on a stage that donald trump is not there, but as you note, his legal woes will be hanging over the debate with a potential arraignment happening in georgia simultaneously, should he not be there. i don't know what kinds of questions will be posed to the candidates in the first debate, if the fox moderators will choose to make trump a central figure, if he's not showing up in the debate, but i have little doubt there will be some candidates on that stage, chris

christie, asa hutchinson hasn't qualified yet, as the one who has centered his campaign on being anti-trump, if you will. i have no doubt he will debate donald trump whether he's on the stage or not. >> it's been a little bit since i have been wondering around the halls of the west wrung, wing, police station we generally reside most days. the contrast, we talked to officials about the contrast. it's going to be the difference in a general election. the contrast this week is surreal. the current president heading to wisconsin to talk about the inflation reduction act, it's the one-year anniversary tomorrow. the white house is having an event. just plotting along with a clear strategy to talk about issues that don't breakthrough. because the former president keeps getting indicted. what's the sense inside the building right now about how this plays out? >> i mean, shuk chuck schumer hit on that contrast.

he said out loud, look at the contrast that's happening today when the president is traveling to a critical swing state to talk about the inflation reduction act, while the former president, biden's predecessor is getting indicted for the fourth time. obviously, we know that the issue with the indictment is not something that the white house has wanted to tuch. they wanted to stay out of it particularly because you have so many republicans accusing this white house of weaponizing the doj. that's why you have seen the white house be so careful to say we have no idea what's going on. doj is operating on its own. so is the special counsel. we have nothing to do with it. >> thank you for a great panel. next, a key republican congressman weighs in on the fourth indictment of donald trump. that's ahead. subway's slicing their turkey fresh like on the titan turkey.

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on capitol hill the political jockeying has already begun as democrats are seizing on the moment to underline the seriousness of the latest charges against donald trump. some of trump's allies on capitol hill, they wasted no time coming to his defense. lauren fox is live from the capitol. lauren, how is this breaking down in now the fourth indictment in the last four and a half months? >> reporter: it is a familiar dynamic that is playing out among house republicans and senate republicans and house democrats and senate democrats, but the key take away was that despite the fact that this

indictment was around 100 pages last night, it was mere moments before we started seeing some of the republican reaction from house leaders defending former president trump. some of that reaction coming directly from house speaker kevin mccarthy, who tweeted, biden has weaponized government to interfere in the 2024 election. you had another far left radical district attorney, and jim jor adapt, the house chairman of the judiciary committee, coming out and saying, he did nothing wrong. referring to former president trump. meanwhile, you heard crickets from senate leadership on the republican side. we have not gotten a statement from mitch mcconnell. we have not received a statement from john thune, the republican whip. it shows you the familiar dynamics that have been playing out for the last several months. republicans view in as important to remind the base that they are standing with donald trump. meanwhile, senate republican leadership doesn't want to wade into this.

doesn't want this to become a determining issue for them as they move toward the next election, as they try to take back the senate majority. >> thank you. joining me now is republican congressman and member of the house freedom caucus ken buck of colorado. also a district attorney and federal prosecutor, that's where you want to start from your past life. when you look at the 98 pages, particularly in the wake of three other indictments, what stands out to you? do you believe this is a particularly acute threat to the former president on the legal side? >> well, i think all the indictments are -- any time there is an indictment, i think this indictment looks like to a lot of americans piling on. i think that's an issue. the federal indictment is just released a few weeks ago dealt with this same issue. it dealt with not on a state by

state basis, but dealt with it as a federal issue. it was a federal election. and the special counsel brought an indictment. this just looks like another indictment that was piling on. it is different in some ways. the co-defendants have been charged in this indictment, so there are 18 co-defendants that will be brought to trial unless they enter into plea agreements, but to me, when we're talking about a former president of the united states has never been indicted before, now we have our fourth indictment that has the same subject matter as one of the federal indictments, it appears to be piling on. >> you mentioned that the 18 coconspirators are named and charged in this indictment. one of those is a former colleague of yours. mark meadows from north carolina. i'm interested just as somebody who served in the chamber and the conference with him, what do you make of his journey from one of the leaders of the freedom caucus to now alleged

co-conspirator. how this all came to be? >> yeah, not only is mark a former colleague, he's a good friend of mine. i feel very sad for mark and debbi and their family a the this point. i think it's one of those issues where we'll see what the evidence is against mark opposed to just being part of an overall effort to challenge the election results. is he actually part of a criminal issue in this indictment. and this is something that strikes in the heart of who mark is and what america stands for. i find it hard to believe that someone with mark's integrity would be charged in this way. >> were you surprised he was not an unindicted co-conspirator, given there are elements that deal with him. there are clear elements in the fulton county district tender's case. and what we know based on the

investigations up to this point. >> i think that as chief of staff, mark has an obligation to do what's legal, but if he receives a legal directive from the president of the united states, his obligation is to carry that out. now the special counsel may have had other reasons for not including mark as a charged defendant in this case. i had no idea what those reasons are. they will undoubtedly come out as a special counsel case proceeds. >> the theory, and i'm sure you have heard it and work in washington, when you're not back in colorado, is he's potentially cooperating. we don't have any reporting on that. it's been one of the biggest questions since he wasn't it in there. what are your thoughts on that? >> i don't have any thoughts on that. it's pure conjecture. i have not talked to mark about this issue.

i have not heard anything from the department of justice or anyone else indicating that he is cooperating or not cooperating. >> last one before i let you go. you have said that if the former president is a kwukted felon, you would have a difficult time voting for them to be president of the united states. these cases are going to take time. they are going to run through the campaign and election gauntlet, to some degree, in terms of that calendar. are you concerned we won't have an answer to that question before november of 2024? >> i can't say i'm absolutely certain, but i think it's very unlikely that any of these cases get tried before the election in november of 2024. especially if donald trump is the republican nominee, i think a court would almost have to kick that case until after the election. that won't be decided until

august of next year, but trying to bring a case of this complexity and this magnitude, especially the georgia case, to try before november would be really rushing a case like this. so i don't think we'll have that answer before the election. >> quite a limbo for voters around the country. ken buck, appreciate your time, thank you. >> thank you. next, we head to florida where the mar-a-lago property manager charged in connection with two trump's classified document case faced a federal judge today. plus a big development in the hunter biden case. stay with us. >> woman: why did we choosese safelite? we were loading our suv when... crack! safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way weant it.

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start today at contracosta.edu now to the latest development in the mar-a-lago documents case. cnn's carla suarez is in fort pierce, florida. carlos, one of donald trump's co-defendants in the classified documents case was back in court this morning, right? >> reporter: that's exactly right, phil. so carlos de oliveira pleaded not guilty to four counts in connection with the classified documents case against donald trump. the 56-year-old is accused of scheming with the former president to try and delete surveillance video from trump's mar-a-lago property, video that was sought by federal investigators in connection with that case. now, de oliveira is a property manager at mar-a-lago, and he's

accused of asking another trump staffer, someone who works in i.t., about purging this video after federal investigators paid a visit to the property last year to retrieve these classified documents. his indictment alleges that de oliveira asked this other trump staffer about deleting the video saying, "the boss wants the server deleted." he's also being accused of lying to fbi investigators about helping to move these boxes with these classified documents around mar-a-lago. phil, he did not say a word to the media as he entered and left the courthouse. >> all right. carlos, thanks so much. now to the hunter biden case and a new complication for his defense. let's get to cnn's kara scannell. kara, we're learning a lawyer now thinks he may become a witness. explain. what's going on here? >> yeah, phil, that's right. so one of hunter biden's long-time attorneys chris clark had asked the judge if he could withdraw from the case today saying he may become a witness in this case since the current dispute is focused on the

collapsed plea talks between hunter biden and now the special counsel, david weiss. at the same time prosecutors are saying today that they don't believe that this deal on a gun possession charge is valid. they say it was never signed off by the probation department and therefore it was not binding, something that hunter biden's team had been pressing. still a lot more to come in this case. but still a legal shapeup and some potential new developments, we'll see, on what the judge thinks of this plea deal. phil? >> kara, to your second point about the latest filing, i know you've been reporting that reading that right now. does that change where you think the dynamics are? >> i mean, right now this is still an issue before the judge. so she has to decide whether or not this plea deal is in effect. both sides have now laid both of their positions on the table, phil. >> all right. kara scannell for us. thanks so much. and thank you for joining "inside politics." kr "cnn news central" starts right after this. ve $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let m me put a reminder on my phone.

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