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good evening everyone, and welcome back to our special breaking news coverage, i'm laura coates on this a stunning night in american history. as the 45th u.s. president's criminally indicted now for the fourth time. donald trump now accused of leading a criminal enterprise to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. >> i'm kaitlan collins, it's not just trump. 18 others have been charged alongside him in this 41 count indictment tonight, including his former chief of staff, mark meadows. his former attorney, rudy giuliani, and the one-time

mayor of new york. all 19 defendants are facing racketeering charges. >> i mean, the indictment states all, quote, refused to accept that trump lost and they knowingly, and willfully, joined the conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of trump. joining me now here in d.c. is cnn's evan perez, also the washington correspondent of the atlanta journal-constitution, téa mitchell and -- is back as well. tour former house judiciary special counsel, and then president trump's first impeachment trial. this is happening in georgia, other states are implicated here. téa, george is unique for a number of reasons. not the least of which is that you have got republicans who were really in the -- also those who are solicited specifically. this is brian kemp, it's brad raffensperger, to name a few. >> it's interesting.

i actually started out in atlanta, the first person that i saw at the courthouse, liz gabriel sterling arriving for his interview with the grand jury today. we don't think that raffensperger was called for the grand jury, but it's likely that if the sun goes to trial, raffensperger could be called. our former lieutenant governor, i know it can even go up to brian kemp. if you read through the indictment there are a lot of republican state senators -- to take action that the district attorney believes was illegal -- >> or that they were lied to in these legislative hearings, that all of these various indicted coconspirators, that when they went to these legislative bodies and selected them for unlawful activities or did not present factual

evidence to them. and so it is really interesting that this is happening in georgia, so it is not, as partisan as trump and his allies and returnees might try to make it seem. there are republicans who have repeatedly said what he was doing around the 2020 election was wrong. >> by the way, just think about it. we know this is televised. unlike the remaining trials, the fact that you're going to have television able just the scene here, first of all, we're talking about donald trump who is not tried way from the camera in recent times, usually thrived in that space. but also, you are talking about, can you imagine to t's point, a parade of republicans? these highly prominent officials who might be witnesses to testify in georgia? >> who all did the right thing. it certainly these are very important witnesses, either people who stood up and, you know, abided by their oath to do the right thing, to do the

things that they were sworn to do to uphold the state constitution and just stood up for their voters, the voters of that state. we knew there was fraud and they did the right thing, just like mike pence did. that is going to be one of the more powerful aspects of this because donald trump and his allies are really painting this picture that people are out to get him, that it is all democrats. here you have, as you pointed out, all of these important republican figures that will be called. >> on the other hand you have the david cheffers, the head of the georgia republican party, the kathy laces, the sean stills, you have other very active republican leaders in this state who allegedly were part of our rico conspiracy. a racketeering enterprise, instead of to steal money or goods, to steal the rightful

electoral votes from joe biden for donald trump. it is what is going to be on trial for that televised trial, and it's going to be the two faces of the republican party, we see that a lot in washington, too. the struggle between the maga group and congress and the mitch mcconnells, the mainstream, mainline republicans. >> you heard from david schoen earlier with our conversation, he was the council in the second impeachment trial for donald trump, but he made the comment, look, this might not stay in georgia. at least at the state level. he talked about maybe having it removed federally and i can tell, you right at the table, and i know that i saw the familiarized in rock forward, leaning into the -- let me let you release that tension. >> first of all, david is a very fine criminal defense lawyer. but he is absolutely wrong about section 14 42, the

removal statute. here is why. the law is that you can only remove a case, the supreme court has held with nixon v. fitzgerald, you can only take -- fani willis talked about this eloquently enough press conference, state elections, state jurisdiction to protect democracy, we don't let -- it only if they're it's within the outer perimeter, a quote from the supreme court, of their official duties. how is a political candidate staging an attempted coup within the constitutional job description of our presidents official duties? i will see david's 11th circuit case, the federal jurisdiction with a controlling case. malcolm the martin, which says an officer who acts out of any personal interest, check, malice, check, actual criminal intent, check. or for any other reason to do his duty, no removal. this case trump will try, david

didn't mention. it was tried with the manhattan case. alvin bragg, judge palestine, body slammed that effort at removal of the bragg case by trump, saying -- the same thing is going to happen. here >> before you venture into true law school near territory -- let me ask you about this, evan. listen, there was a moment when brad raffensperger call is going to come up. we've heard it so many times, we heard about the idea that they just want to find 11,780 votes, just one more. there is this thought that, somehow, that is only part of the story. if you were to play more of the tape it would show you something that is beneficial to donald trump. >> i think david schoen kind of addressed that and he said that if you play the full context of the tape that the jury will have a different opinion, or might get a different picture. the problem with that is that

prosecutors will show the full context of this and they will show that, by the time that phone call is made, and it is included in count number 28, by the time that phone call is made, the former president and his allies know full well that they have no support for their fraud claims. as a matter of fact there are exchanging emails and there is a lot of things that she cites, here the dea sites in here that shows that they were fully aware that there was no fraud, or at least not the fraud to support this. and it is very important, just in the past year, davido carter, the judge, who really pierced the veil of all of this, ruled that something john eastman was doing with trump, was violating basically, by virtue of the fact that they were in a criminal conspiracy, meant that you could access all of the attorney-client product. and so one of the things that i think is a problem for the

former president is that the full context here is very problematic. >> i think this is going to be the core of trump's defense, a lot of these indicted coconspirators, coconspirator defenses is that, well, we believe the election was stolen. you have a right to say what is on your mind, first amendment, if they believe it and they all were acting in this way, not because of some conspiracy but because they all kind of agreed. i think what fani willis is trying to do with this indictment, which we know will unfurl during trial, is that they will say that they were told repeatedly that this was not the case and there are plenty of people who aren't indicted, but we're in these rooms, are mentioned and could be called to testify to say, hey, we told them the evidence wasn't there. we told them what they were doing was not legal. we told them what they were doing was not going to pass muster and they continued to forge, and quite frankly, this

indictment starts naming things, preceding the 2020 election. there are days that go all the way to 2022 in some of the acts that are mentioned. so again, it is interesting because they really laid out a timeline that spans almost two years. >> you know, i am wondering, first of all, is this going to be the same? if this judge will still be the judge at the end of this, by the way, and also the conversations surrounding kaitlan as we look to unpack the rest of this and continue to analyze it. who is not, here who are these coconspirators that were unindicted? who might be shaking in their boots this evening wondering, well, is that going to change all of a sudden? >> 30 people is obviously no -- there. another aspect of this is of course the breach of voting systems, and cnn national security reporter zak cohen is outside the courthouse in atlanta has been covering this. zak, you and sarah murray broke

the story yesterday, this kind of got into the small -- only about 43,000 people are, so and it is maybe not one the most well-known aspects of what is now in this indictment, but this feature pretty prominently, including on the list of the descendants here. >> yet, caitlin, it really does play a central part in this -- and as you, said we've been tracking the story for the better part of two years now, this breach in georgia, it is about 200 miles south of where we are right now in downtown atlanta. four of the co-defendants named alongside trump in this indictment are linked to the breach and several of the charges that they faced are for their alleged involvement in what took place in 2021, and the weeks after the evidence really detailed some topics that we covered previously, some text messages, surveillance video, that emerged several months ago and have continued to come to light since as part of a long running

civil lawsuit in atlanta, that was filed by a group of election security advocates. they deserve lot of credit because this evidence does underpin a lot of the criminal charges that these four codefendants that were involved in the county breach face. now there are also several of the unnamed coconspirators, unindicted coconspirators who are also mentioned in reference to -- georgia and we reported yesterday it was really a continuation of the storyline that we have been tracking for the last two years, that these text messages, these communications, emails draw a direct line from these operatives that gained unauthorized access to the elections office in coffee county, all the way up to some of trump's personal attorney's, and members of his legal team like sydney powell, the indictment specifically talked about how sidney powell contracted this a cyber surrender -- to that they had no authorization of access to. that really is the crux of the broader conspiracy that they lay out in the indictment and it really is a through line

throughout the entire charging document itself. >> if you look at the names, jake and i were reading through the names earlier and we missed the second half of it initially as we were scanning it so quickly. if you look at the first half of the names, people at home would probably recognize a lot of them. donald trump, rudy giuliani, mark meadows, but it is that second half that you point out, more of those are going to be tied to what happened in coffee county. these are people who are pretty prominent county republicans in georgia, and now have just been indicted on charges of their estate. >> yeah, one that was just mentioned a few minutes ago i believe was -- a republican official in coffee county and who is caught on surveillance video that we reported almost a year ago, right opening the door to the elections office in the -- end of the restricted voting system area. what -- the former election supervisor

-- admitting that he was the one who coordinated and facilitated, and was actually there -- so relief from all the way to trump's legal team, to atlanta, -- that fani willis is covering. here >> is aiko, and great reporting on this. i want to bring back in my panel. jennifer rodgers, as you look at this and what does that goes reporting there about coffee county and how this goes from the 45th president of the united states down to a bail bondsman that is about 44,000 people, it just speaks to the scope of how detailed and broad this indictment is. >> you can't do everything yourself, we're not just

talking about georgia, but in the broader scream there -- they have people on the ground in those states doing fake electors schemes and other things to try to overturn the election. there are a lot of people here who have to act in order to make these things happen all the way down to the bail bondsman. the indictment is so, so detailed and that is what is striking me as so granular in the details, about what everybody did. and it is not quite as easy to read as much of the narrative of the january six indictment is, but if you do read through it it gives you so much detail and it goes in pretty much chronological order. on coffee county, on this date, they took him from the airport, to the where the voting machines were and the next paragraph talks about the next action. it is not quite as narrative as it could be, but if you try to

avoid the legalists tick language and read the meat of each paragraph, it tells you the story and it includes all of these details. >> -- he was noting just how many different acts there are. you worked on the january six congressional committee, just knowing what you didn't have access to, people like mark meadows who fought cooperating, and working with your committee, when you read through this, what stands out to you not just from coffee county about everything? >> i think what stands out is the tools that we had at our disposal. one thing that we didn't have was the power to charge. i think that here you look at the extensive number of descendants, these are folks who are presumably either chose not to cooperate, or were asked -- that's one thing we didn't have interest to gauge. and the second thing is time. we are under the gun with our select committee, we had the

opportunity to take a two and a half years to truly develop this, to get into this kind of granular detail that is now reflected in the indictment. so i think that while the subcommittee, we did, frankly, an amazing job, i think we put forward a case to the american people, but i think what fani is done here is take some of our work, the same with jack smith did, dig in deeper and present a compelling story. >> one thing scott was noting was what we heard from republicans already, one thing from trump is why this took so long? why it has been this period of time. even the governor of georgia, brian kemp, complain to me about a month ago about how long it was taken. is it pretty normal and standard? as abnormal as this is to take this long to bring charges like this? >> two and a half years is a long time, but you are charging the president of the united states. i mean, you really do have to be careful. a lot of the people challenged their testimony, they wouldn't come in, that takes a lot of

time. so i think, given the circumstances of what she ended up putting together, the president, all these other people, the challenges that she had to litigate, it is not an unreasonable amount of time. and i will also say that if you rushed, they would've been screaming about. this of a presidential candidate so you rush to indict means that i can't run. if they had rushed, it we would've had a whole another set of complaint on her hands. much better that they take the time. >> scott, the whole premise that they have is that these charges are bogus. it is kind of a weird argument for them to be making. why didn't they charge them sooner with the charges i disagree with? >> they want to cast the whole thing as an attempt to interfere in his campaign prospects, and tossed out here at the height of his popularity in the republican party, he's crushing everyone, he is tied with joe biden in the national polls, and now you drop all the stuff on me. it is a huge conspiracy. so, that is why they are making the argument. as i read through all of this, actually, as i sit out here all these nights and read through

all these things i keep going back in time. thanksgiving, 2020. if donald trump had just said, you know what, you can have it. you can have joe biden, i'm going to go play golf and i'll see you guys in four years. had he just down that he would be up ten points right now and bakari would be the head of the site selection committee for joe biden's nursing home. the democrats of the nfl down right now and instead, we have five indictments and all of these jurisdictions -- >> and i'm in charge of making sure that he moves to a second term. >> you go back in time and you see how different this could've played out for donald trump, but instead they went down this crazy road with these crazy people. >> trump himself even called sydney powell crazy. >> instead of maybe coasting back in on a very weak incumbent, he is now facing jail time and a whole bunch of different places. crazy. >> look, just to put a fine

point on everything is got just so amazingly articulated here, there is not a republican in america who can beat donald trump of the republican nomination, which tells you how, in disarray the republicans are. i do want to talk about just some magnificent figures in this indictment, i just think back to 2001, when rudy giuliani was america's mayor and there are people who worked with rudy giuliani, john avlon was a speech writer close to george usually henry. rudy giuliani could've had a statue for erected for him in about 2002 or 2003 in the center of times square. that is how popular he was, and now he's being indicted. in atlanta georgia. you have lawyers who are involved in this, you have bail bondsmen who are involved in, this and at the top of the scheme you have the president of the united states. i know that we have writer strikes and everything going on in hollywood, but you could not jump the shark like this with his indictment and when you look at how detailed this is, when you look at how --

they went out of the way to do to abuse people, determined people, and when you look at the fact that they were breaking into facilities, that they were going into voting booths, that they have text messages and emails that back all of this up. -- to say that phony is partisan. because this is not partisan when you read it. when you take democrat and republican of anybody's label when you read this indictment you see just and unjust. you see accountability and you see lawbreaking. and then you get to the political aspect of it, we're all my republican friends nikki haley, chris christie, all of them are running. -- that is what this is. so i don't know how you finds it,, or you thread this needle, but they have a whole problem on the republican side and their problem is called donald trump. >> you raise an interesting point. there are a lot of republicans right now that i think the institutions of law and order our.

-- as a black man in america i've been trying to tell you this for a long period of time. i'm not gonna fight you on that. >> the fbi's corrupt, -- it is startling when you have essentially a path approaching half the country also americans understand so smile that some -- >> understatement of the night. warning, whatever we're in. thank you everyone. fani willis said that she has been wanting to plan to try donald trump in 18 codefendants, within the next three months. and she said she should all be together. the question, is of course, will that work? we'll break that down with our legal analyst, next.

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former president, trump indicted tonight in the 2020 election subversion case in georgia. prosecutors allege that trump and 18 others, including the likes of rudy giuliani, and mark meadows, and john eastman joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election. i want to bring in former u.s. attorney, harry lippman. harry, my friend, so good to see you. you and i have been talking about the prospects of this

happening for quite some time. i wonder, what sticks out to you? because, this is now the fourth indictment that we're talking about, 91 accumulative charges over four cases. and this is a significant one. >> it really is. on the one hand, laura, it's a reit of picked aleutian up everything that we have seen dating back to the january six committee. the hundred 61 overt acts, and most of them are not new. there is a few little snippets but their panoramic an encyclopedic in what they chronicle on the one hand. on the, other a really is something new. first, and i'd say for the 18 other defendants, so this is the first time that all the president, men and women, including giuliani, mark meadows, i'll say that, twice mark meadows, eastman, chesbrough et cetera are all charged. and when you think sort of in a

long-range way about accountability from the country for everything that happened it must include these folks. so this is the first one that will. and the second -- >> one, harry before you go to that second, point let me lead into the second on the idea of mark meadows and rudy giuliani. perhaps many thought that rudy giuliani, many, the thought that the reason he was not on the indictment from jack smith was because he was a co-operator. and providing information of some kind. and, therefore was able to achieve some level of special immunity. he is in this. one so he said he did not cooperate with fani willis. >> it's a very important puzzle. and when it came out at first, what a genius. and i don't, know maybe not so much. because if he doesn't cooperate and -- if he had struck a deal and in the january six case you think

it would've had to encompass his exposure. here his lawyer would know enough to do that. and right, now he is in terrible hot water because if in this case he is indicted, his cooperation and convicted his cooperation doesn't avail him what we might have thought it did in the other indictment. maybe it means he is just a witness. there which would be very strange. because he did testify in the indictment. excuse, me in the federal case. and i thought that that must amend some kind of deal. right now, we don't know. but that's the question, mark but the exclamation point is that he's been charged. and from the start he's been neck the, step -- for giuliani in his involvement here. and so it's a really important kind of potential blow for a justice that he has been named. >> i mean, you mentioned the first point as well. i cut you off for the second, one to lean into that

conversation but on that point when you retrace his steps on that, you, know there are about 30 an indictment coconspirators that are listed in this indictment. and i wonder what you make of that. because, some would suggest that when you say unindicted coconspirator, that matters of the aid signal, glaring that it's a co-operator. what do you think? >> that is what i think except 30. that's a big number that's hard to get to. >> it is. >> 18 electors. and many of them came forward. and received it. and that's an obvious big chunk of the 30. but they're just must be other state election workers, maybe people in kaufman county who are more involved, but in a minor. way and will be more than happy to sign them up to make their case and that's why their coconspirators haven't been named.

it's such a panoramic indictment, all of, georgia but also all around the country. and that is because of the rico law. so, yes, 30s a very big number 161 is a very big number and this thing is huge in so many ways. >> on that notion -- >> will prime the details. >> on the notion, i think it's still eludes many people. for, rico they think of the mob, you hear things like criminal enterprise or official acts or the way that it's raised in here in many chargers and statements suggesting it's an overt act, the further the conspiracy. you see the threat throughout. you mentioned coffee county, we're hearing a lot about the coffee county. and we also know that fani willis is the dea of fulton county. not coffee county. and there is mentioned in the specific indictment, nevada,

new mexico, arizona, georgia, just to name a few i mean the list goes on. how is she able to envelop all of this into the fold? >> the miracle of rico. and the reason, by the way, laura, i think it's hard to understand is just because it is hard to understand. it is pretty amorphous. here is the idea. it was created for the mob and a sort of what looked like a legitimate business of front was really just a shield for all criminal activity. by analogy, but it's a sort of analogy that has prevailed in other cases. this group of people fighting to get the election that donald trump was a criminal enterprise. the whole thing is like one rotten business with the business goal, the communal goal of getting the election to trump. that is rico. here, it's even a step removed.

because it section c of rico conspiring to do. it so what she's saying is the people agreed to try and to get the election so it to trump, committed 161 overtax of which they have to prove, stick around, to. to overt acts in order to make rico's stick. so it is first and foremost a way to get so much under number. la but the idea of it at least, is basically everything they were doing from november uttered, to january six. indeed, the indictment goes to september of 2022. when their lies were just all one big criminal enterprise. that's the key concept. and the enterprise has an objective. and the objective was to put trump unlawfully back in

office. >> and really quick, harry, the word conspiracy makes people say you need to tell me that donald trump you have to prove that he conspired, had a meeting of the mine with each one of these defendants personally in order to prove the case? >> more beauty, right? he does it with one person. we call it a hub and spell. but basically as long as he agreed with one person, and everybody of the 19th bid, that is solid takes. >> a hub and spoke, we're learning new terminology from harry lippman. this isn't quite the crack of dawn caitlin, but we're getting. that we're seeing a lot of history being made. kaitlan collins take it away. >> yes, we're losing track of time. here but we have a lot more to discuss on the implications of this. i mean it's a sweeping indictment of what is the impact it has on the 2024 race that we're currently in the middle of with the republican nomination? our cnn political analyst ron brownstein joins us. now ron, i just, wonder when you're reading through this

what you're thinking for everyone just a few days ago was hanging out. what does it mean for them? >> well, look, i think you have to separate what all of this means for republican primary nomination fight. and what it might mean if he wants that fight. and then it got on to the -- and the context of the republican primary, donald trump has convinced the most republican voters to see it through the end. caitlin, he has folded in these indictments into one of the most powerful strains of thought the hold together the moderate republican coalition. and that is they believe that conservatives are the real victim of bias in a diversifying society. you know, that bias against white is not the biggest problems against bias against minorities. -- the men are punished just for being identified. 70% republicans impulsivity agree with all of those proposition. and what trump has done from the beginning is great all of these criminal indictments in

advancing of that argument. i mean he calls the prosecutors, the african american prosecutors, leading cases against them racist. and he basically says that they are going after me because they really want a silence. no question that the argument has proven very powerful. and i, think the republican primary really reinforces exactly what is already an existing belief among most gop voters. in a general election, it's a whole different question i. think we saw that in the poll that over 55% of voters think he is, independent voters think she's committed a federal crime. nearly 60%, even before this indictment said that what he did after the election threat in american democracy. and we also know for multiple nor polls, four and deep -- that three quarters of independent say that you should not be president again if he's convicted of a crime. by the, way 60% of republicans say he should. even if he is. so, again right, now clearly strengthening the republican contacts. and what this might, mean in a general election, particularly

if one of these trials are actually going much less if their convicted that's a whole other issue. >> yes, it is a whole other issue. but before we get, there if you are on desantis, nikki haley, tim scott, mike pence, any of these other republican candidates running against them typically when your important gets indicted four times it's a political gift. the biggest political gift. but instead, i, mean they are also polls that show that they don't like -- even if they don't like what trump's done or accused of doing, they don't like one of the republicans attack him. so what do you do if you're one of those other republicans? >> they painted themselves in the corner. awesome corner that they painted themselves into for, what, eight years. now eight years since the escalator. i, mean essentially they've argued themselves in a circle. they have said that we can't challenge trump when he crosses a line, when he breaks in. norm and certainly getting indicted four times as a former president is about this because enormous you can bring.

we can't challenges, because the base supports him and the base will rise up against us and one of the reasons why trump's home on the base has been so unbreakable is because no one they trust or very few people they trust will make the case to them that his behavior is unacceptable. and, so in many ways they have less the straight jacket that they are living in and to the extent that the other republican candidates, i think mike pence has deviated from the house, getting closer to like a crusty to hutchinson. and for someone like desantis -- sorry scott, or, haley had echoed arguments the victim weaponize conspiracy so fast, as joe mccarthy called. it and they have made it so that the big player, in his drama, it's a deep state and all of these efforts to stop donald trump, why would you bypass them as a republican voter and go to someone that's right now. so they kind of made their bed,

i'm not sure they can find a different pathway but certainly it is kind of a -- to argue that they can't speak truth to power. because they have created the circumstances in the base that they were met in private. >> what is it? what do you make of the fact that it's 1:30, nine in the, morning and here we are talking. and the front runner for the republican party right now is posting on his website on this indictment criticizing -- complaining about the fact that they're calling it a witch hunt. i mean they have been able to effectively use that with republicans before. i mean the idea that that's gonna, stop because the indictment never force him is unlikely. >> yes, highly unlikely. i, mean the dice cast in the republican primary. and, now whether, you, know there's still some republican to hold out and the republicans have come. they simply believe that they

can't win again. they hold out hope that actual trials might be the straw that finally breaks. it's not likely as they were saying, they're going to convince republican voters that this makes him any of these actions make him unfit to be president. there are some a few republicans that believe. that -- trying to tell their voters, that but again americans are very reluctant to give joe biden another charm. no question about. it i mean the majority of the public said he's too old and concerned about what their heels are four more years, still continue to be negative on the economy, but when you look at how general elections are responding to these indictments even before they get to the issue of trials and possible convictions, there are real yellow warning lights on the dashboard for republicans. and as i, said we've seen

polling, multiple polling's significant majority independents. and they say that he should not be president again if he is convicted of a. crime and, now we will get there before the election? i don't know, but donald trump is the nominee that has to increase its vote from last time. he lost by 7 million votes. and he's got to expand his coalition. it's hard to see what's in. here you, know in all of these indictments, it's gonna cause people who did not vote for trump in 2020 to go, okay, now i think is. why plus, you have the issue of abortion in those key states, as we saw on ohio this. week so, again, a former republican. the ones who are questioning whether trump can win again. they have ammunition in that argument. but, you don't see the other candidates making it very strongly. and as a result, it really isn't yet part of that. like maybe it will change at the debate. and then after, the prospect of having, and concentrates the mind as they say. and all the republican candidates have to acknowledge that whatever they're doing so far is not working, giving them

magnitude at the lead. >> what's that phrase you used about concentrating the mind? >> yes, i think it was the revolution. the prospect of hanging, concentrates the. mine and you, know these days, in this case, the process of getting trampled in north carolina ought to concentrate the mind. we'll see if it does. >> ron brownstein, we're gonna leave it there. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> up next, what the fulton county district attorney, funny, melissa singh tonight in the wake of this historic 41 count indictment. and what she believes, is next. we never just see the numbers.

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donald trump in 18, others now facing trouble in georgia. and what prosecutors alleged is a criminal enterprise for their efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. not just in that state, but other key swing states. this indictment is bringing charges against the most prominent advisers to trump. the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, spoke publicly tonight after that indictment in those charges were unsealed. >> i am here with the prosecutors, investigators who have worked diligently on the

investigation of criminal attempts to interfere in the administration of georgia's 2020 presidential election. today, based on information developed by that investigation a fulton county grand jury returned a true bill of indictment. charging 19 individuals with violation to georgia law arising from a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the state. the indictment includes 41 felony counts and is 97 pages long.

jeffrey clark. jenna lin ellis. ray smith the third. robert david julie. michael a roman. david james schaffer. sean micah treasure steel. stephen left guard, lee. harrison prescott floyd. treveyon c kuti. catherine powell.

kathleen austin latham. scott graham all. and misty hampton, also known as emily misty hayes. every individual charged in the indictment is charged with one count of violating george's racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act, through participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia, and elsewhere to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald j trump to seize the presidential term of office beginning on january 20th, 2021. all elections in our nation are administered by these states, which are given the responsibility of ensuring a fair process and accurate

counting of the vote. that includes elections for presidential electors, congress, state officials, and local office. the state's role in this process is essential to the functioning of our democracy. georgia, like every state, has laws that allow those who believe that results of an election are wrong, whether, because of intentional wrongdoing, or unintentional error, to challenge those results in our state court. the indictment alleges that rather than abide by george's legal process for election challenges, the descendants engaged in a criminal, racketeering, enterprise to overturn georgia's presidential election result. >> laura, i've got to say, just

listening to her read out those names, when i was reading through it initially and a little bit we heard from her, reading mark meadows's name stirred out the most to me seeing that the former white house chief of staff had been indicted. >> when you think about the names that were, régis on the expected, but the others maybe not. just the sheer scope of all of it and what sticks in my mind is this notion, rather than abide by the legal process by which we are to challenge the election results, they chose and legibly criminal enterprise instead. it goes back to a point that got made earlier on your panel, kaitlan, about had down trump just done something different all these different players, we would be in a very different political landscape today. >> something even jack smith noted in his indictment, in the end and direction there. there is a legal avenue to challenge results ketones like. it's not just that you are stuck with us and that's it, there's a legal avenue. there is this avenue that alleged here. >> you can test, you can

challenge, but you can't conspire and here, again, you can see the trying to educate a potential jury pool. she goes on to describe the overt act and a predicate act. she is educating already on rico, and she showing people, look, the reach of her jurisdiction, because of rico, goes even beyond her county. and even beyond her state. we'll see what happens in the actual proof that, caitlin. >> i've a feeling you're going to be very busy at 11:00, laura. panel back with me now, scott, she soaked -- the point of what could've been avoided? what a final thought? >> every day to be christmas, but that's the thing. you can go back in time and which people may different races, but we are where we are. my final -- >> all let that slide giving that it's 1:53 in the morning. that political analysis. >> heavy hitter over here, scott. >> a broad, broad majority of

the american people are very dissatisfied with the prospect of a rematch between trump and biden. and i think that this is going to be even more dissatisfaction if we don't get the result of some of these cases before people vote next november. he has been charged with mishandling national security documents, charged with trying to overthrow the government on january 6th. he was charged in the georgia case. to me, not getting, not letting him resolve these things before he stands for the office of presidency, if he's the nominee, i just don't see how we can stand for it. >> do you think it's likely? maybe not, you both seem skeptical as the attorneys, that this case itself -- you are in your political had tonight. >> just cause i tip the bar couple of times. >> good point.

we'll wait to hear answered a moment. but what do you all? think >> there's no way, all these defendants. >> just this one? >> the most exciting thing about this case is going to be the movement. there are so many people here, a lot of them are going to plead out, some of them are going to flip, it'll change the complexion of this case a lot as we go along. i don't know how she can talk about six months when we have all these other cases, some of them set for trial, others about to be set for trial. you can't tell donald trump that he's got to go to trial in two places at the same time. this is never going to happen, i don't think it'll happen before the election. >> your predictions? >> i, agree i don't think it'll happen in six months, and probably not before the election. but i do think that jack smith's january 6th case is likely to go to trial before the election, and that will give the american people, and donald trump, the chance to defend himself on these very facts here. >> although not on tv. >> not on tv. >> my last and favorites

returning at the table? >> thank you. we are on the precipice of very dark times in this country. i think we forget how fragile democracy is, i think we should have learned that lesson from 2016, when this conversation was about russian interference and all these other things. democracy is very fragile and i don't know if we have learned that lesson. i think donald trump going through all of these issues, we talk about constitutional crisis, we talk about all of these other things that could be on the forefront. it is going to be exciting, it's going to be good tv, but at the end of the day what truly happens when this individual, with all of his legal issues continues to fracture the country, and how to recover? even once if donald on this little in years ahead the cancer that is down trump will still be a fabric of this country. >> thank you all for joining us tonight and breaking down that remarkable, remarkable

indictment, which will be for the days to come. >> history in the making, another historic night. rosemary church picked up our coverage in just a moment.

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