brazil. santos attorney say he will now formally agree to confess to the 2000 and crime of defrauding a clerk of $1300 for shoes and for clothes. you will also pay damages to the victims . elian gonzalez, the boy whose custody battle rocked the united states and cuba, now poised to become a cuban lawmaker. the country is set to hold elections on sunday and last month but now 29 year old gonzalez was nominated for the national assembly. back in 1999. gonzales was rescued off the florida coast when a boat carrying his mother and nine others capsized. it set off a month long, tense custody battle between distant relatives in miami and his father in cuba. thanks for your time today and this week on inside politics, try to have a peaceful weekend. briana keeler picks up our coverage. right now. hi there. i'm brianna keeler in washington, the u. s military strikes back. the pentagon says an american

contractor was killed and five u. s service members injured when an iranian made drone struck a base in northeastern syria. the us then retaliated with an air strike to the south. this is video posted online that reportedly captures the strike on one facility linked to iran's revolutionary guard in syria. cnn's natasha bertrand is at the pentagon for us, natasha what more are you learning? brianna will we are learning that those wounded u. s service members are now in stable condition and we are told that this drone the suspected iranian drone that targeted that coalition military base in northeastern syria, it was a quote suicide drone. it was used as a one and done type drone just to attack and then depart. and we are told that the us did retaliate. of course they did target facilities inside syria that they believe that the

iranian proxy groups were using in order to store munitions as well as gather intelligence. and this is not the first time that the us has targeted iranian proxy groups in the region. it has been done many times before , including as recently as august of 2022 when president biden ordered yet another strike on iranian groups in syria, but this is happening with with well this is happening very often now and that is what is really concerning to the united states because the us has about 900 u. s troops in syria, who are part of the anti isis coalition. and so the u. s has been trying to deter iran from carrying out these strikes. but at the same time the u. s. does not want an escalation with iran and they certainly do not want a war. here's what national security council spokesperson john kirby said this morning. we don't seek a war with iran. we're not looking for an armed conflict with that country or another war in the region. we do seek to protect our mission in syria. general carillon who was the commander of us central command

. he did say that it is a huge concern for the u. s because they assess that iran currently has one of the most sophisticated largest and most capable, unmanned aerial coal aerial vehicle forces in the entire region, brianna all right, natasha. thank you so much for the latest on that story. former president trump is ratcheting up the rhetoric overnight, warning that there could be quote death and destruction if he is charged by the manhattan d a s office in this hush money probe, the grand jury is going to be reconvening on monday and in another criminal case in circling the former president. trump's defense attorney. even corcoran is testifying today to a grand jury in the mara lago classified documents investigation. corcoran will not be protected by attorney client privilege after the justice department convinced a federal judge that trump's interactions with corcoran were part of a possible crime or fraud with me now is cnn senior political correspondent and the anchor of inside politics. sunday abby phillip abby. how significant is

corcoran's testimony here today for this special counsel's probe? hey brianna, you know, i think it's very significant. i start from the place of understanding that when we talk about former president trump is a defendant. he is someone who is not like a lot of other modern day defendants. he doesn't email he doesn't often have much of a paper trail. he doesn't use text messages in the same way historically, as other people might today, and so when you're trying to establish what he was thinking what he asked people to do what he made i ordered them to do. it's really important to speak to the people who he would have given that information to and i think, in this case his attorney would be at the center of this. on top of that you're talking about trying to. i think that the government is trying to determine whether trump played a role in trying to obscure their knowledge of what was in mar a lago. what documents were there? how many were there and whether they were

trying to hide that from the government and the fact that they were able to get a judge to approve a crime fraud exception , i think says quite a lot about what they were able to show in court that would necessitate this kind of order. all right, abby. phillip thank you. we have former u. s attorney michael moore, who is joining us now to discuss the legal implications of all of this, michael, it's not really a choice here, right? evan corcoran. it's one or the other. if there was a lie, he either was witting or he was unwitting and there are consequences for both. whichever way it is. that's right. i'm glad to be with you. and this is an unusual circumstance. when you have a lawyer who comes in to talk about what they discussed with their client. um i do think it's a little different in this case. given that this is grand jury testimony, and this is done in a secretive, you know, form format . there's no public hearing on this. and so that also gives some shield and probably gave the judge some comfort and thinking about sort of violating or allowing the openness of

what's otherwise a pretty sacrosanct relationship that is between the lawyer and the client. but corcoran's caught in a little bit of a box if he it in the letter, the certification about whether or not documents there's going to be key here, and he said there was not so if he signed the certification and didn't know the answer to that. he's got a problem if he signed a certification, knowing that it was that that was not the case in the traffic, told him to do it. he's got a bigger problem. and so either way not he's he's in an uncomfortable position in front of the grand jury today. so that's the case about classified documents. you also have this manhattan d a case it's looking at these hush money payments to an adult film star stormy daniels. you have the doj case about january 6th, the fulton county, georgia investigation of the aftermath of the 2020 election. how do you see these cases fitting together? well um i hate to see them move forward as the first case being the hush money case. it doesn't mean that what happened in that case was that

there was nothing wrong with it. they're clearly appears to have been something wrong. but the issue for me is that that's a misdemeanor charge and that they're having to think at this point about how to charge that in a certain way and presents certain evidence to actually make it a felony. and i hate to see what i think is probably the weaker of the cases move forward first, because that oftentimes has a tendency to create bad law that they can hurt. good cases. uh i like the idea and i appreciate the fact that jack smith special counsel is moving forward quickly. by all accounts. he's got both feet on the gas, and that's going to be an important thing as we go. i think those cases because of the sort of the nationwide jurisdiction that he has the ability to look at all that those to me strike me as a stronger cases. then, of course, you've got the georgia case in the district attorney's trying to make a decision about which, if any charges will proceed on given the special graduated recommendation against he's not bound by that she didn't have to do a thing if she doesn't want to. but all indications are that she'll move forward with some indictment. we just don't know against which defendants or what charges specifically, um, she

has a very clear case, i think, as it relates to the phone call to raffles burger, that's another strong case. but again, we get into a situation where i just think from a maybe a historical perspective and also so as we think about looking forward, given the nature of this, this type of action that there's some comfort in the idea. of a nonpartisan special counsel looking at bringing charges, if those charges are in fact going to be brought against a former president, united states not because it's trump because i think about what happens 50 years from now, are we gonna have local prosecutors indicted presidents when they leave office, or are we better off having a system that sort of, um centralizes that from from from a political point of view. if you look at this, though, i mean, if you had prosecutors, coordinating what is really the bigger deal here, what should go first. how could you actually do that, without then, having ah. leveled having seeing the allegations of

politicizing this process being leveled against those prosecutors in the legal process. well i think it would be a great idea. if all three of these folks the three prosecutors involved the i in manhattan, the d a in atlanta, and the special counsel would go lock themselves away in a room somewhere and make a decision about how they want to move forward. i need to look at the case they need to look at whether or not they could get a conviction and, more importantly, whether or not think it survived the motions that are gonna lead up to the trial and then can they sustain and conviction on appeal? with the appellate course in their particular jurisdiction, so that's gonna be important as well as as we think about it. we don't need to politicize it. and again. it's not a question of, you know, treating him differently because he was a former president. it's a question of recognizing the fact that he was a former president and what it means going forward , so i don't think that you have to necessarily come in and politicize it from the idea of oh, we've gotta change x y and z, but you have to recognize that this is in fact, and

there's just no way around it. the historic prosecution and the this case is going to be subject to scrutiny like they've never faced before. so it's gonna be important to take the strongest case that you have and take the most direct shot at a conviction . if in fact, i think they can get it, and so, um, those things are going to be important. the prosecutor's job is to do justice. it's also to make sure that the public could have confidence in the outcome or confidence in their decision making. and so all those things have to be playing right now. i'm sure in all three prosecutors minds as they think about these cases. certainly michael moore, thank you so much. it's great to have you and joining us now we have jake tapper, cnn chief washington correspondent and, of course, the anchor of the lead as well as state of the union. so jake as we see all of this sort of swirling around trump, he is warning of death and destruction in particular if he's arrested in the manhattan case, he's also holding this rally in waco on the 30th anniversary of branch

davidian. what's he doing here? i think he's doing what he has done historically, which is fan the flames as much as he can, while also having just enough plausible deniability so that nobody can accuse him legally of inciting violence. i mean, yesterday he posted something on truth social in which he was belittling the idea. of protests needing to be peaceful. this is just what he does. he goes up to a line and he it's you know, it's a line that doesn't exist for any other politician, but he doesn't cross it. and he also causes a lot of his republican friends on capitol hill to suddenly not have seen any thing on truth social or not have their glasses on them. at the time when reporters address them, he's putting them in a tough spot, because obviously if a democrat were to make such a vague threat, it would be decried and derided by republicans and to not join him

as well at this rally that he's holding. i mean, how many republicans are not going to be? there is pretty amazing. i also they're going to be some perhaps unusual optics that we may see here in new york. trump's warning of death and destruction is coming as we're learning that the sequel to the joker is going to be filming in the area around the manhattan courthouse this weekend, so this is all happening, and we're expected that there's going to be these seeds. means that include protests and cars on fire at this very time. what do you make of that? well, i don't know how comic book nerdy. you want me to get right now? but i will vary. i mean, you came to the right place. i mean, i will say that if you those and if you know, you know, there is a lot in canon about the joker, especially the film, the 2019 film and the degree to which it's. it's an allegory for modern political movements that tap into rage and anger, particularly among white men. not to mention if i go into

frank miller, the great comic book genius and his dark knight returns the golden child. there's a whole trump character , so i mean, there is life imitating art imitating life going on here, but again, i don't want to nerd out too much on the comic book thing. i feel like i want you to write a column on that so that you can really nerd out on it. um you did something else that is so fascinating. you sat down with the star and the co creator of the wildly popular hit that we're huge fans of ted lasso. you sat down with jason sudeikis for an interview. that's going to be airing tonight on cnn tonight at nine before his ted lasso fame. of course, we know jason sudeikis have having spent nine seasons on snl, and you asked him about impersonating president joe biden on the show, so i want to play a little preview of that. oh and live from new york it's saturday. in my view, you have done the best job. biden that snl has ever

competition. jake it's hard. it's art for me. for me. it's more of a kid thing to say to anything. sketch comedy as an art. i appreciate that, but it was also a different era of biden, as you acknowledged, when you did that skit, not not long ago. is it weird meeting people that you've made fun of? i never thought i was making fun of him. never. i don't think i've played anyone that i made fun of respect. there's a bunch of malarkey. i don't think i can channeling him to comment on my dad with like fake teeth and, you know, they give me give me a nice big choppers. i got these, you know, little tiny teeth. um you know, but i'm always playing a version of myself again. i'm not trying to fool anybody. i'm not trying to prank phone calls and get people in trouble. you know, like i met him, you know, and it was great. he was gracious, you know, and you know, as advertised, you know what i mean? it's a gift to get to work somewhere. like staying alive. it's a form of superpower to be able to impersonate or or or empathize, you know, physically and vocally, you know, and into someone. however, you want to put a channel

someone if you will. channel not making fun of, but we saw that photo jake where he met with biden, and it was actually to talk about a very meaningful topic. yeah they're they're talking about mental health and the importance of mental health they're talking about. that's obviously an issue that's ah, rising in attention, um, nationally at post pandemic, but also, you know you have individuals. whether it's congresswoman, nancy mace or a senator tina smith, talking about challenges talking about difficulties, something important to this white house and something important to jason sudeikis and the show ted lasso, which in many ways as a workplace comedy, but at its heart there is this core about vulnerability and who we are and the fact that we are all more alike than than we generally

acknowledged on a day to day basis, so we talked a lot about the show. if you're a fan of the show, you will see us talking about different characters, but we also just talked about jason's career. his arc snl, it was really fun to sit down with him. i cannot wait. i am so looking forward to this, jake. and i just want to tell our viewers all about it. your sit down interview with jason sudeikis is going to be airing tonight on cnn prime time. that will be at nine pm tonight and we'll be right back. cnn newsroom. brought to o you y get refunds dot com if your business qualifies for an e r c refund today to feed is 101 years old andovid hit, we had some challenges. i heard about the payroll tax refund allowed us to keep the people that have

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deutsche bank is now the latest domino that is teetering. there are fears of its collapse that are rippling throughout the banking system. american bank stocks are mixed on the news and right on cue, treasury secretary janet yellen is holding a closed door meeting with regulators about all of this turmoil that we are seeing here. let's discuss this now with moody's chief economist mark zandi. mark, thank you. you for being with us here. this isn't what we wanted to see. right you have. deutsche bank stocks down more than 8% when markets closed in europe, it's echoing what happened with credit suisse earlier this month. how fragile is the global financial system right now? well, there's a lot of banks out there, brianna, you know, understandably, it's been a difficult two weeks in the global financial system, a number of failures and of course, what happened with credit suisse and so i think this just reflects a general angst among investors of folks that own stocks and banks and bondholders that invest in the bonds of these of these banks. ah and you can you can see it in

the in the borrowing the banks are doing of at the federal reserve the discount window, borrowing the borrowing against their new credit facility, the bank turned funding facility. you can see it in the borrowing from the federal home loan bank system. you can see it in the borrowing that central banks with the fed, so the system is obviously under a lot of stress. and uh, i think investors are just really nervous about you know what's the next shoe to fall here? if any so if we see these, you know big global banks at risk smaller regional banks in the us, they still aren't in the clear what? what isn't at risk and how worried should people be? i don't think it should be worried. i look, i think the system is in good shape. you know, if you look at the amount of capitalist system has its the cash cushion, banks have to digest any losses on their securities or on their loans. if you look at their liquidity, and of course you've got the government backstop. you know, the fed the f d i c the treasury over in europe, the

swiss central bank and other governments are standing firmly behind their institutions. so i don't think there's any concern about this. you know the banking system in general, but if you're a shareholder stockholder in these companies, or if you're a bondholder, you've lent money to these companies. you know, there's i think there's some concern there about the you know not only about the viability but more so about the long term growth prospects in the context of the things that are going on. so for the average american household for the typical depositor. there's nothing to be worried about. we had cnn's matt eagan, speaking to one of the officials involved in the fed's latest interest rate debate, and he explained why the fed sees inflation as the clear priority over the banking situation here is that moment. inflation is high demand hadn't seemed to come down. and so the case for raising was pretty clear. the one thing that i hear loud and clear from everybody is that they hate inflation. they find inflation to be unfair. do you agree with the feds calculation here? no you know, it's a

judgment, obviously, uh and i don't know what the counterfactual is, but my sense is the number one priority has to be the stability of the financial system, not only the reality of it, which, as i said, brianna, i think the system is on very solid ground but the perception of it and it just seems very incongruous to me that you know last week that the reserve is establishing facilities to help support the banking system. the give them the cash they need to meet the policy. the depositors demands and then that's designed to take pressure off. and then the next week this last few days well a couple of days ago raise interest rates, which puts pressure on the banking system. it just doesn't feel like that's consistent and it isn't and so, yeah, you know, i think it would make much more sense at this point. the focus on the stability of financial system focus on restoring confidence, and once that's the case, and i think that should happen relatively quickly. here in the next week two or three, then take a look around. see what kind of damages this is all

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way, right? this is going back to whether it's kennedy or reagan or clinton or obama. he will be addressing parliament and again, underscoring what everyone already knows. these are two of the closest relationships that you will find anywhere on the planet in terms of diplomatic relationships, shared values, all those things that bind these two countries together together towards one of the really most undefended. and militarized borders in the world. having said that he will . the president underscore the fact that the geopolitical landscape has changed. and brianna there is no escaping that in the last couple of years , things have changed significantly in that context, and perhaps not brianna in the speech to parliament, but in the press conference, we will hear that the united states has asked canada to step up to spend more in areas of things like defense spending, and that canada has agreed to. they still may disagree on some points of interest. but again, this is part of the united states saying look allies, you all need to step up. things have changed significantly and perhaps consequentially, brianna, this is one of the most, you know.

important times, arguably, since 9 11 in terms of the united states getting allies to, you know, stand behind them, but also step up in terms of those defense commitments. yeah it really is. and it's huge what we're seeing in that regard. so tell us about this asylum agreement. how this is illustrating the changing policy priorities for these two allies , especially in the wake of that chinese spy balloon ordeal. yeah absolutely. and when we look at what they're doing on defense, you know this is continental defense. right? so you're dealing right up to the arctic and going down to mexico and in terms of what's going on in humanitarian issues. one of them has to do with that humanitarian crisis on the southern border. now look, the numbers in terms of whatever is going on on our northern border here. they pale in comparison. and yet the united states said that look if you want us to be able to have a more hardened border on that northern end, you've got to come to the table with something canada has now apparently. agreed to take in migrants that would normally be sent back to the united states. they will now

take them in. and that will change things along that northern border. i want you to listen now to me. speaking to justin trudeau yesterday about the deal that's now in the works. listen do you expect that perhaps some migrants will be able to go to regular border crossings in canada and be received that way, because, as you know, right now, they would be turned back to the united states. there's a lot of work being done and we hopefully being to make to make an announcement to reassure canadians and americans that we continue to handle migration series and will that include taking migrants that sometimes even present themselves southern border or taking migrants directly from the united states? canada is always willing to do more. we'll find out exactly what canada is willing to do in the next few hours. as you said brianna. they have a press conference and we'll be looking for so much more detail on whether it's this immigration deal or on specific defense spending that canada has promised briana all right, paula newton. thank you so much for that in philadelphia, a brazen

afternoon attack on teenagers caught on camera. masked gunmen spring dozens of bullets at three teenagers, a 16 year old and 2 13 year olds today, two of those victims are in critical condition in police are searching for the shooters here . let's talk about this with cnn's senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. he's a former deputy director of the fbi. so, andy, we're looking at this. we see the faces of the gunmen are covered, but the video is very clear here. how optimistic are you that the shooters may actually be identified. brianna i'm pretty optimistic of video like this is obviously a great thing to work with. at the beginning part of an investigation. there's also from the reporting. we know that they're aware of the description of the vehicle likely. what uh, what detectives in philadelphia will do is work with both of the video and the vehicle description and go out to their broad. swath of informants in the community, speaking to other

individuals have been arrested recently, or people who who they know have been involved in gang activity, and it's his only a matter of time before that sort of intelligence operation gives you some leads in terms of identifying and locating these individuals. they say, this is gang related. that's how they're investigating it. what are the trends that we're seeing right now? when it comes to violent crime related to gangs? you know, violent crime is gang activity is always the source of a large percentage of the violent crime in a in a in a urban area, particularly violent crime that's fueled by guns. so i was looking just before we came on to date and philadelphia they have had 98 homicides in 2023, which is actually a 14% reduction in 20 since 2022. but the statistic that really jumps out at me brianna is they've had about 350 shoes. shootings in philadelphia just in this year, 74 of which have been fatal if

you look at where the shootings are taking place, this block this small neighborhood in western philadelphia is not does not appear to be at the heart of most of the shooting activity, but obviously they have a really serious situation in greater philadelphia with gun activity that is leading to shootings and fatal shootings. and so what needs to be done in in these cities across the country? how do you stem this? well, well. the strategies are typically revolve around 22 different types, so in the short term, the way to reduce the sort of criminal activity on the streets is to flood the zone with police presence. now that means drawing resources away from other other areas. but those you look at that heat map. you try to figure out where these shootings are taking place, and you just up the number of police on the street. longer term. the strategy is doing better in force mint in terms on the prosecution side and put bing people away for gun offenses if

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we have some breaking news just into cnn. a federal judge has ordered former trump chief of staff mark meadows and a number of other former top aides to testify in the special counsel's january 6th investigation. the judge rejected trump's claims of executive privilege. let's get right to cnn's evan perez. evan tell us what this means because this may open the door to so much more information. in this case, it really does. brianna the just the justice department been winning these these cases where they're asking a judge to compel some of these, these former trump aides. to answer questions to part of this investigation into the attempts by the former president to overturn the 2020 election results. and you know, they keep winning these because you know, the judges are finding that

because of the of the importance of this investigation, former presidents claim that this is protected by executive privilege just does not stand in this case . we're talking about mark meadows, who is, of course, former chief of staff. he's a very, very important witness. he was there. or through all of this, and in some cases played a key role trying to pressure people to try to help support the former president's false claims of vote fraud. you see, there are list of some of the other aides john radcliffe, robert o'brien, stephen miller, dan scavino, all of these folks had in some cases gone in and refused to answer certain questions. because the former president was making this claim of executive privilege. the judge in this case barrel harrell, who was a former chief judge in the washington d. c federal court, she has ruled that they must comply with the justice department's request to answer these questions. now what happens next is we expect that the trump team is going to appeal. they've been appealing

all of these and they keep losing. so the it doesn't of course, prevent them from trying . and so we expect that they're going to appeal the meadows ruling as well as some of the others, and then we'll see when the justice department can get those before an appeals court and perhaps even to the supreme court. brianna evan, what is this going to mean? when it comes to the former vice president, mike pence. well that's a separate case. and you know, obviously one of the his case is a lot more complicated because the former president is claiming not only executive privilege, but mike pence is also claiming that he is protected under the constitution , speech or debate clause. and so he is saying that when he was acting in those days around january 6th. he was acting as a member of the senate because of his role there as the president of the senate. the justice department is claiming or is arguing that mike pence is his

role. there was ceremonial, and so they're pushing back on that. we anticipate that that ruling is sometime in the offing soon, brianna, but you know, these are important witnesses that the justice department believes are key to this investigation, trying to get these people to provide evidence about what the former president's state of mind was what he knew what he was being told as he was pushing for these states to overturn their election results and keep him in power, even though he had lost the election. what is the next step here? because when you look at this, i mean it's a number of aides and officials from the trump administration, a number of them varying degrees are not going to want to be sharing information and are going to do everything they can to not do that. so what recourse do they have? that's the thing. i mean, i think mark meadows has certainly been one of the more loyal of the former president's aides. he's tried his best to

try to keep the council that he gave to the former president. he's also i think because of his very overt role, perhaps in a in a position where he also may have his own exposure here as part of the justice department investigation, so you're right. some of these. some of these witnesses, for instance, have already gone in and didn't know that they were supposed to claim executive privilege. so the former president made this claim in some cases. after some of these people already went in to answer some questions. so the issue here though, brianna, what you're getting a picture of is the justice department. the special counsel in this case, jack smith is really got his foot on the accelerator. he is trying to get these witnesses in there trying to move as quickly as they can, because i think i think you and i both know that there's a political calendar that's in the works here. you know you have the former president. already he has declared that he is a candidate.

you have other candidates coming in. so the political season is upon us. and the justice department wants to bring a case they need to try to start moving that very, very soon, brianna without the cooperation right without the testimony of some of those folks, some of the faces that we're seeing here. there are blind spots in this investigation. so what kinds of questions will some of these folks including mark meadows be able to answer? what kind of information will they be able to reveal that previously the special counsel didn't have access to one of the things that i think a lot of us who have been watching this investigation very closely i believe is happening here is that the importance of these witnesses is for the special counsel to establish what the former president knew what were his closest, most trusted people telling him you had people who are like robert o'brien, for instance, who was his national security advisor, and who was

telling him that there was absolutely no evidence. that there was foreign involvement in rigging vote machine voting machines, for instance, which is something that trump was being told by what i think some of the witnesses have called team crazy people like ah, rudy giuliani and some of the other people who are trying to tell him that maybe there was some kind of interference right in voting machines, so the importance of these witnesses is two forwards for the special counsel. if they decide to bring a case is to be able to establish that trump even if he can claim right now that that he believed that vote fraud was real. he was getting different advice from his most closely appointed aids people who were, uh, who would have known right if there was any sign any evidence of foreign interference in in the voting machine and the vote count, and he was being told by robert o'brien by some of these other

people that there was absolutely no evidence, and yet he was persisting in trying to pressure people in georgia and in other states to try to find a way for him to remain in power. that's part of what the importance of these witnesses are is. what happens what happens even if some of these folks have exposure, and they are asked questions. i mean, are they? are they useful? do they use their do they plead the fifth? what do they do? some of them do in the case of mark meadows, we now know from the grand jury report in georgia. we know that he pleaded the fifth in in the investigation, thereby the special grand jury and that tells you a lot right? because mark meadows was key. he was helping to set up some of these calls. he was making phone calls himself to try to pressure people to find what the former president said in that now infamous recorded call to brad. athens burger, where he said he

wanted to find 11,780 votes right to try to remain to try to say that he won the state of georgia, which he did not and so there are witnesses who do have their own legal exposure. and if you're the prosecutors, you have the right in this in right then and there to offer them at least limited immunity to try to get their testimony. it's not clear whether that is exactly it's going to happen. all this stuff is, of course, happening, uh, in a closed court, where we don't have the benefit of being able to see brianna, what is happening? but that is certainly on the table. we've seen it happen with some of the other witnesses who have gone in and had declined to answer questions where the justice department asked him or gave them immunity so that they could answer some questions. all right, evan, thank you so much for that. this is a big development here. a federal judge ordering former trump chief of staff mark meadows and several other former top aides to testify in the special counsel's january 6th investigation. you see their faces hear their familiar faces.

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january 6th investigation. the judge rejected trump's claims of executive privilege i want to bring in former u s attorney michael moore. this is a big big step here, right because we are seeing the judge just poke holes in all of these claims of privilege, and this may crack things wide. open for the special counsel. how big of a deal is this, michael? well it's a huge deal. and, uh i think what you're starting to see some of the courts tell tell the trump team they've had enough of the nonsense whether it be from the lawyer and the documents cases now, maybe to the staff that are trying to invoke executive privilege to trump's claims. remember that executive privilege is not a shield to hard criminal conduct behind. so you can't do something illegal and then to come around and claim executive privilege just meant to protect the deliberative process. and so you know, i think that this is the beginning sort of the cracking of the dam if you if you will, for these false claims that have

been out there and you're gonna now have plenty of information and folks who had otherwise been reluctant to testify, coming forward. what is the timeline here? because a number of these folks here they're not. you know , they don't. they're not just looking for the cover of this right? they really they don't want to share information with the special counsel. they're going to do everything they can to not do this, so this will continue with an appeals process. what's the timeline? what are the next steps? my guess is that the appellate court will take it up fairly quickly. there was no question there will be an appeal on this. trump's team will take it out there, push the executive privilege argument as far as they can, you know, is it something that can be heard within a month? maybe so, but i do think there's a growing sense of urgency that there needs to be some resolution. some finality. uh this investigation needs to be brought to some conclusion. whatever it may be, um so you know, you'll have individuals who may be recalcitrant witnesses. you'll

have trump's people over here who are saying well that we're pushing the executive privilege and it should go on up and, um and i think you'll see that the courts held in fairly short order compared to a typical appeal in a regular case again. this this is just a case, but at the same time, it's historic. on his face, and for those people who are worried about what might happen, they should read the nixon case that supreme court made pretty short order of this back during the watergate days and said, you just can't hide. this kind of conduct behind executive privilege is it's not your shield. yeah and now we will see a lot of questions around how this changes the former president's exposure. michael moore, thank you so much for your expertise in this. we appreciate it and that does it for me. don't go anywhere, though. we have much more on our breaking news right now. hello and welcome to the cnn newsroom