>> good evening, everyone. i'm alisyn camerota. welcome to cnn tonight. we are following breaking news about the classified documents found in mar-a-lago. sources tell cnn a federal judge believes donald trump may have used his own defense attorney to commit a crime. that means attorney-client privilege would not apply, and the defense attorney could have

to testify in front of a grand jury. we'll have much more on this development for you. we're also hearing new details about the inner workings of the fox network. from the lawsuit filed by a producer who worked with maria bartiromo and tucker carlson. the producer describes the toxic stew of sexism, misogyny, and antisemitism that she experienced inside fox, including all the names that executives called maria bartiromo, like, quote, crazy begich and menopausal. and why tucker carlson was so enamored of photos of nancy pelosi hit a bathing suit. we'll explain. this producer also alleges that she was coached by fox lawyers to give mr. leading testimony in the dominion lawsuit. plus, we'll talk about law enforcement seeing in uptick and violent chatter online from right-wing extremists about a possible indictment against donald trump. we'll find out if it's any different than what we heard right before january 6th. and about those hush money

payments, donald trump's lawyer is now saying something very different than he did on this very program back in 2018. we will play with you joe tacopina now, arguing against joe tacopina and then. and here's a question for you. did a.i. create this photo of? we have a quiz to test my panelists and your a.i. knowledge. and we'll tell you the secret to how you can spot what is a.i. and what is not. so, let's get to all the. news my panel is here. i have the roots jessica washington here. also, political commentator scott jennings. former massachusetts governor devolve patrick is with us, and former pro tennis player patrick mcenroe. but, first let's get to our breaking news, a federal judge believes that former president trump may have used one of his own attorneys to commit a crime regarding those classified documents at mar-a-lago. cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez is here with more. evan, explain all this to us. >> well, alisyn, this is a big deal because this is the first time we are seeing from a judge

or at least hearing about a judge determining that donald trump himself may have committed a crime. and what she is ruled, this is in a sealed proceeding, so we don't have the benefit of seeing exactly what she wrote, we only have it based on reporting from sources to kaitlan collins sara murray and a couple of others on our team. but what this judge, judge beryl hale, who has been overseeing these secret besieging's, is that because what donald trump was involved in with his lawyer, essentially may have been a crime, he no longer has the benefit of attorney highlight -- as attorney-client privilege. and even, corcoran has to appear before the gradually. and has four, spawn has to answer questions from prosecutors. he can no longer say he -- declare that he won't answer questions from prosecutors

because of attorney client privilege. this is the first time, again, that a judge is saying this. and so, that is a big deal. it now means that we may see evan corcoran have to appear in the next day or so before the federal grand jury in washington. >> that's what i want to ask, you have. and what happens now? >> well, first of, all because this is donald trump and his legal team, they're appealing everything. they are fighting this to the d.c. circuit. and we have seen an extremely unusual move by the d.c. circuit. they're asking the both teams, both legal, teams to provide more information to the judges, the appeals court judges, tonight, one deadline is at midnight, and another is at six a.m.. we've never seen that before. so, it appears that the appeals court wants to try to get to this and perhaps make a ruling and perhaps get some clarity within the coming hours. and again, he might see aaron corcoran, the lawyer for former

president trump, having to appear before the grand jury. just to back off a little bit, alison, evan corcoran is an important figure in the investigation into the classified documents that were found at mar-a-lago. because, you know, he was involved in talking to the justice department about whether there were additional classified documents were there, which we now know, there were. so, the question is, was he, did he mislead the justice department and the fbi, based on lies that were told by his client, donald trump? that appears to be what the justice department is going for and why they want him to come in and answer questions to the grandeur. >> okay, thank you for all of that explanation. i want to bring in my panel now. we're also joined by cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. great to have all you with me tonight. governor, you're an attorney. what do you think of this development? what does it mean for evan corcoran and donald trump and the entire case? >> well, let me first say that

i take no pleasure in and a former president, any former president, being prosecuted, being subject to criminal indictment, potential criminal indictment. and i will say that the accountability of this president seems to be taking a long time. but brick-by-brick, the justice department is building its case. and this is a step forward. i think that accountability is essential. so, as i say, i take no pleasure. but i do think it's important in sort of a culture of impunity that we seem to have. and that this president has lived in and even encouraged and flaunted for a long, long time, that this is an important step forward and a further indication that this case is being built, and built. well >> patrick, you'll remember that president trump's attorneys vouch for him. yeah, there's no more classified documents here. and then there were. so, it's hard to know if they knew they were misleading the

doj or the archives, or if, well, we just don't know. as >> the governor just said, accountability, seems like it's maybe finally want to happen. i know i surprise you a little bit last, night alisyn, when i said trump's a genius. and you said, excuse me? >> well, i just want you to make your case. >> here's what i mean. and i think maybe even the geniuses slip up. and it seems to me, when we first heard about this breaking, that maybe, finally, he did something where he could not skirt the full responsibility and full accountability. because it always seems to me, you know from the outside looking in, i'm not an insider, that is always found a way to manipulate the situations that he's not the one. it's always someone else who screw that up. well in this case, they finally caught him being the one who finally did it. >> jessica, thoughts? >> yeah, there's nothing trump could do this point surprise me. and these are allegations, i'm the daughter of an attorney, i'm not going to get ahead of. this but there's absolutely

nothing i could find out what trump and what has gone on in any of mar-a-lago that would shock me at this point. >> scott? >> i'm not even the child of an attorney. you're sitting next to one. but look, we don't know much about -- obviously, the details here scan. i say trump has two paperwork stories in the news. i will leave you to decide which one is more important than the other. obviously, the mar-a-lago thing is more vital and interesting and recent in the other thing we're going to talk. about >> well, i understand what your. saying your phone to the hush money payment. but, i don't know if we have to prioritize crimes. in other words, if two things are a crime, can't you be prosecuted or investigated for both? >> i mean, well, obviously, you can. because it's happening -- >> you seem to feel as they should be mutually exclusive. >> look, if i were just analyzing this on, you know, what's most important and what we should be spending our time on, this mar-a-lago thing seems pretty vital to me. the election, georgia, january

6th, this all seems pretty vital to me. seven year old, you know, miss filed some paperwork over an affair. it seems less vital when you have that all this other stuff. and my concern would be if he ends up getting indicted tomorrow, we don't, know but if he does, and you've got this other stuff going on, the political taint of what's going on in perception. of any of the other, more vital stuff >> i think from a purely optics people are looking at a potential indictment in new york, and wondering if this is significant? enough but let's remember new york county prosecutor, allen, bragg he's not worried about, georgia he's not worried what january six, he's not worried about jack smith and the federal prosecutors that work for him are doing. he's worried about crimes that are committed in new york. and this is allegedly a crime that was committed in new york. we can't --

we don't parse out what gets investigated and what gets prosecuted in this country by what people are most interested in. we leave it up to prosecutors to determine when they have probable cause to believe a crime was committed, and whether or not they have as ordinance to prove that crime sufficient to take it forward to an indictment. so, i understand the perception issues. but they are essentially irrelevant to the underlying legal issues. >> i mean, respectfully, i disagree. prosecutors make decisions about what to do all the time. i, mean this particular prosecutor in new york has downgraded something like 52% of felonies down to misdemeanors. pretty serious stuff. and in this particular case, he's making a personal decision to elevate a paperwork misdemeanor, maybe up to a crazy felony that no one can seem to explain or understand. >> well, we have not seen the evidence. yet >> but i just -- to say that he has no choice but to do this, he has plenty of choices, and he's made some crazy ones in new york, and he's making this one as well. so, there is personal discretion here as well, is

there not? >> i hear you. quickly andrew but. >> there is personal discretion, but that's what the voters of new york elected him to do. and he is using that discretion within the boundary of his authority of his position. and this is, you, know if they don't like the way he's using his discretion, they voted for someone else next time. but it doesn't make what he's doing illegal or insignificant. >> okay, i want to move on to the stormy daniels case. because there's an interesting wrinkle right now that we've just learned about. and that is that one of president trump's attorneys, joe tacopina, who has been around as a legal pundit for a long time, i, mean i've interviewed him years ago, joe tacopina is a well-known face in new york. he is now acting as former president trump's attorney. but apparently, there may be a conflict of interest because in 2018, he had some sort of communication, we don't know what exactly what yet, with stormy daniels. which would mean that he cannot serve, i think, governor, as

president trump's attorney on this matter. >> you, know i'm gonna be real careful if you're asking me for an opinion on that. because i don't know enough about those details. if he represented her but -- >> i think he was considering representing her. so, there may have been communications. so, would that disqualify? >> not necessarily, not necessarily. and as i say, i think anyone would have to have more information before making a call. >> let me just say, i'm not surprised that he's possibly, you know, representing trump. because we've heard him in new york, especially all over the radio for many many years. but just go back, because it's tied into the stormy daniels situations, like scott said, i agree with what you're saying about this particular case. to me, it's not that big of a deal in comparison to the other things that have been alleged against former president trump. but with that being said, wouldn't have been nice, scott, to hear from some of these big republican politicians over the last day, if they said, hey, we don't like this, we think this

is a political witch hunt. but let's, as you said, alisyn, let's wait to see what the evidence. is could have one of them just said that? >> well, i mean, don bacon said. that he is one of the more moderate members of the house. he held back. he said he was going to wait and see what the evidence is. so, but i think what most the republicans have concluded though is that this particular prosecutor isn't really all that interested in the facts and evidence himself. he's interested in getting trump at all costs. that's their perception. >> that's a talking. point >> hold on, let me just say this, you know who really thought it was an important case in 2018, a valid case? joe tacopina. and you know where he said it, on this very program. so here is joe tacopina, let me see what order we're doing it, this is joe tacopina and then and now. he is in 2018. >> you know, once that net is, out once the microscope is on you, everything is fair game. and it's hard to argue it's --

you can't look at this, you can look at that. so, if there is an issue with that payment to stormy daniels that was made on behalf of the candidate, okay, and was not declared, that's fair game that a lawyer took out a home equity loan with his own money, paid somebody that he did not even know, on behalf of clyde, who, by the way, had the wherewithal on the money to afford $130, 000, and by the way, did not tell the client about the settlement. agreement it's a legal agreement, as fraud, if that's in fact the case, it doesn't make sense, it doesn't pass the straight face test. and quite frankly, if that is what happened, we have a potential campaign finance issue. does anyone actually believe, anyone, left, right, middle, whatever, that if someone else were accused of paying hush money to avoid a public sex scandal and the matter that donald trump is alleged to have avoided a public sex sandal, they would be prosecuted. the answer is one hunted

percent. no >> you know who actually believes, it jessica? joe tacopina. >> that is amazing editing. that is very cool to see this. on this program. >> we're visionaries here. >> you're seeing into the future. you know, trump and his allies are going to try and spin it any way he can now. even going against things they previously said, as you just witnessed, which is incredible. but it is true that this is a more complicated legal case. you know, talking to attorneys, i spoke to former san francisco prosecutor paul henderson about this, i mean, he said this is more complicated legal case. what we are talking out as a novel legal theory here, where you're saying that the crimes that were misdemeanors that is trying to do in order to cover up a separate misdemeanor, and that's what's making it a felony, potentially. and we still have to get into some of the evidence. but it's obviously a more complicated legal case. it does not mean it's relevant, but it obviously isn't as strong as some of the other cases we're seeing potentially in georgia. so, that is the risk here. >> okay, so, from the fun,

andrew, to the concerning. and that is that there is all sorts of online chatter and disturbing threats that are going around in terms of right wing extremists saying what they would do if donald trump were indicted. so, how do you think that differs from before january 6th? >> well, i mean, i guess i'd like to hope that our kind of security infrastructure, my former colleagues at the bureau, their partners at dhs, and in this case, the nypd, are a little more aggressively or i should say elusively looking at that kind of chatter to develop a richer understanding of what to expect in the event that the former president is indicted and arraigned in court but. it's hard, honestly, it's hard to say that because we haven't heard much about what these agencies have done to improve upon the performance they had before january 6th.

it was really kind of an issue that was overlooked of the january 6th committee. none of the heads of those agencies have really been held accountable publicly. they haven't made any statements about how they're approaching the job differently. however, i'm going to continue to have faith in them that they're looking at that sort of chatter. not to, you, know start-up investigations on everyone on social media, but rather to just get a sense of what sort of sentiment is out there and what sort of response they can expect in new york or d.c. or anyone else. >> france, thank you very much. stick around, if you would. because we're gonna talk about all the new revelations about fox that are coming out courtesy of our producer who worked on maria bartiromo's show and tucker carlson's show. it is even worse than you could imagine. somewhere out there is that one-in-a-million.

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and it's also making a number of other explicit claims, including -- rapid sexism in kind than at work. she accuses fox's personnel of accusing maria bartiromo, who she worked for in private, calling her men apostle and crazy. she said her first day at tucker carlson's show started, she was greeted by large images of nancy pelosi in a bathing suit in the workplace. a number of disturbing allegations from this fox news producer, and fox news, for its part, alisyn, i should say they are going to defend this lawsuit, but, you know, i talk to her attorney last night, and they are saying they have ample forms of documentary evidence that support these claims that she's making here. >> yeah, i mean, oliver, it's also -- some of it is just so repugnant, it's hard to know where to begin. thank you very much. well, you can stay with. us because i'm sure we'll have

questions for you. i want to bring in the panel now. scott, the massage any that she explains, i mean, that she describes, the sexism, the antisemitism, here, let me read you something. so, she describes lots of antisemitism. there are lots of jokes about jewish members of the staff. here is one. anytime tucker carlson's booking producer, aldara yaron purchases launch from the jewish bakery known as breads bakery, one of the producers, mccaskill, loudly proclaim to the tucker carlson booking team that mr. ja'ron went to the zhu bakery had he had gone to see is people. this is just one example. the whole lawsuit is filled with stuff like this. it's 1970 inside the halls of fawkes, as she describes it, with a poster of nancy pelosi in a bathing suit that they would all yep about. your thoughts? >> well, without knowing the inner workings of what's going on over there. i would just say everyone

deserves to be in a workplace that is respectful. and treats everyone with respect and dignity they deserve. so, she's obviously got every right to claim, fox has every right to fend it. but certainly, it's not the kind of behavior and condone in the workplace i was managing. and i do manage one, and we don't condone that kind of stuff. so, i understand the discomfort. >> yeah, jessica? >> that is just kind of a horrifying display. and obviously, these are allegations. we can't say this is definitely what happened. but that's just -- it's not that different from other things we have heard, frankly, and also things that have been shown on that network. so, i will say that, you know, those times are true, that is absolutely abhorrent. >> here is another abhorrent tidbit from her lawsuit. she says on one occasion, on or about october 17, michigan gubernatorial candidate tudor dixon was scheduled to appear as a guest on tucker carlson to discuss her campaign.

before her rival, a crass and sexist discussion in the room ensued whether miss dickson, or opponent gretchen whitmer, was hotter and more affable. this debate was moderated by one of our editorial producers, michael carmycah, who made several sexist remarks about the women's appearance, and even pulled the office on their views. i mean, when the interesting things, patrick, is fox got in trouble in 2016 and 17. roger ailes was ousted, they allegedly did sort of a cleaning of house, they brought in some hr people. i'm sure that it's necessarily working. >> certainly sounds like. it because the sounds like it's gone from bad to worse for them. and to me, i mean, this is a serious issue and seriously horrendous. when you hear some of these reports, what's been going on. but the larger report to me that has been percolating for a while now is, you know, this sort of circular echo chamber that they have produced, you know, amongst politicians, amongst the mike lindell's of the world, and again to sort of in some ways pass the buck

about who's responsible the election in the election denier so they always seem to find a way to make it. they weren't responsible. you know, tucker carlson is just he's just having a guest on who's saying something that may be irresponsible or incorrect. so this this whole sort of circular world they created seems like it's starting to fall down, tumble down. governor i mean, in the more you hear about the inner workings of fox, i hesitate to call it fox news. yeah the more a parent, it seems that this is a deeply unserious place. they're not interested in in reporting, um in a comprehensive and complete way. and indeed, in the case of the dominion voting machines, um, case, evidently not even in a truthful where let alone accurate and, uh and yet they

continue to hold themselves out as a news organization. there is a responsibility that goes with that. um and there's a tremendous amount of power that goes with that. which is the reason it seems to me. um we as viewers, we as a public to demand responsibility alongside it. yeah i'm oliver. thank you very much for all the reporting . obviously this isn't going away, since we seem to get new revelations every single week. thank you. all right. meanwhile what's the right amount to pay reparations, san francisco's board of supervisors say that it could be $5 million a person. so why is the city's criticizing that plan? we'll find out right after this. sunday on cnn evening of high praise and high comedy. the kennedy center presents the mark twain prize for american humor celebrating adam sandler with special guests . jennifer aniston, chris rock,

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>> a draft plan that could see 5 million dollar reparation payments to eligible black residents of san francisco is moving on to the next step. plus, the cities and naacp leader says these proposals are giving black residents false hope. joining me now is the president of the san francisco naacp and

the pastor of the third baptist church, reverend amos sea brown. dr. brown, thanks so much for being here. so, $5 million to every black resident. that sounds good to me. that sounds like something that -- that sounds like a plan that everyone would like would be a recipient of. that, so why don't you like that plan? >> let me crack something. the board has not agreed to my 5 million dollar plan. >> yeah, that's a proposal, i get it. it's a proposal, but why don't you like the proposal? >> because it is become a laughing stock around this nation. and representatives of it have indicated it was not based on a formula, it was not base -- is not filled out logically. so, we should not be piecing and tantalizing african americans. we are in trouble in the city. we need action now. we've had far too many studies,

too much analysis, too many suggestions. and if the board was serious about that, this past tuesday, they would have first of all, reported, cash payments, and suggesting a plan for payment, even though as some say, we have a deficit, we can't do anything now. well, deficits don't [inaudible] . and even in germany, germans pay [inaudible] . i'm looking for, and the naacp is looking for real action and not intentionality. we've talked too much about reparations. in, fact it was naacp prance that introduced the idea in 2019. so, we can't be in -- , making tracks and getting nowhere. even this u.s. congress of this nation has not acted on reparations in principle. and 70% of the nation are against it. now, is the time for all fair

minded, informed, loving, just citizens to join us as african americans, as supporters, as we supported reparations for the japanese, and for the jewish community. that's the bottom line issue. we are not against cash payments. what we want is sincere action. and not optics. >> so, you don't think this is -- so it, interrupt, but you don't think this is a serious proposal by the board of supervisors? >> it's not on the board, what is happened. the board has not acted. it's a representative of the task force, who throughout this number without any basis for it. and people are entitled to their opinions. but on issues like this, you need facts, and you need practicality. and that's the only thing the naacp is looking for, real

action and not suggestions. >> thank you, dr. brown, i really appreciate clarifying all of that for us and explaining your position and what you're hoping for in the city of san francisco. thank you very much for your time tonight. i want to hear what my panelists have to say about this. let me just put up for you what the proposal is, because it isn't just a $5 million per person. that's one of the suggestions, as dr. brown just said, a five billion dollar one-time lump sum payment to every black resident in san francisco. or, elimination of debt and tax burdens, or guaranteed annual income for at least 250 years, $97,000 in 2022, and or affordable housing. so, jessica, where do we begin with this? does any of this sound good or even realistic? >> okay, i think this 5 million dollar potential payment lump sum to as many black residents

as qualify is unlikely to happen. the city does have a massive deficit. so, that's just not likely to happen anytime soon. but this is just one of 100 different parts of this. planned, so i think people are really jumping on this 5 million dollar loan payment -- >> because again, it's exciting. it's true, year over saying. that you get a car, a house, that such an exciting, number such a high number. it makes sense, that's an easy one. one time lump sum payment, we all understand it. but i hear what doctor brown's say, it sounds so good, why did they include that? why do they throw that out there if it's never go to happen? >> i think that's a fair point. i think part of it is you try to move needle, right. so, you can get people to this idea that actually this is how much the pain and suffering of african americans is worth in the city. this is what we would do if we could dream as big as we possibly could. this would help balance the scales. i think this is where they're going with that. number and then you say, here is some other proposals that could actually get done.

because they're also talk about tax credits, business grants, affordable housing programs. so, there's a bunch of different things mixed into this. list and when you just focus on the 5 million dollar, it gets a little dicey, especially just because it's not super realistic. >> if there is a bright center of the universe were all good ideas come from, the san francisco board of supervisors is as far from that places you could possibly. the [laughter] at this, the great gotcha question in politics is, can you define? woke let me just tell you, exhibit a, this is the most woke, craziest thing that you could possibly imagine. and had to put the details of it up on the screen without telling me the city, i would have guessed it on the first try. because only san francisco could -- the worst managed city in america, maybe, other than a couple of others we could talk about on the show, but it's when the worst. and if i lived there are new someone who live there, had family there, i'll be telling them to get a real estate agent somewhere else. lord have mercy.

this is divisive, unrealistic, and i can't even begin to imagine. >> when you think the right number is, scott? >> zero, the right number zero. the reverend says, 70% of americans don't agree with this idea. well, there's a reason for that. because 70% of americans don't think it's fair. they don't think it's right. and they think there are better ways for this country to provide opportunity to everybody. and everybody does deserve opportunity. but this is divisive. >> i think the 5 million number, you know, embedded in this list of 100 ideas, had exactly the impact you that the advisory board intended, which was to have a sensational number. i don't know that the number is zero, scott. i will tell you, honestly, i struggle a little bit with the whole concept of reparations. not because i think reparations are wrong, because i think reparations without reconciliation are really meaningless. there is a conversation we have to have their. there is a understanding that

we have to arrive at, about not just our history, but our president. and how it is we share this america, and why it's important that we share this america. and that we deal with all of the bears for whomever is experiencing those barriers to the fruits and a promise of this america. that work, i think, is where the work. i don't think it's right to call that work woke and dismiss it. i think that's important, patriotic work. i really believe that. and whether that then enables or makes possible financial compensation, in this, you know, taking from among these ideas or others, i think remains to be seen. and >> i could not put it any better than the governor, he is spot on. but what i will say, to scott's comment, they made it divisive for a reason, exactly the point. that's to look at all the other things they're trying to do. i agree, 5 million is too much, zeroes too little, it should be somewhere in the middle.

but the bottom line is there are other things that are more importantly, a quality, justice, opportunity, education for all races, right, but particular these people in the san francisco area. >> and if 5 million was designed to get our attention, it worked. we are talk about all of it, so thank you all very much. okay, can you tell the difference between what is a high and what is not? i will put all of you to the test, next. wo into your multivitamin?es at new chapter, its' innovation, organic ingredients, and fermentation. fermentation? yes. formulated to help you u by really truly absorb the natatural goodness. new chapteter. wellness, well done. my name is joshua florence, and one thing i learned being a firefighter is plan ahead. you don't know what you're getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you.

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>> all right, can you outsmart ai? can you tell us something was written by a human are generated by artificial intelligence? our friends at the washington post put together a quiz that will challenge all of us to do just. that, so i'm going to quiz my panels right now. okay, here is your first challenge. tell me, did ai write this real

estate listing or was this written by a real human? this is a stunning three bedroom two bathroom victorian house in the enrichment neighborhood of san francisco. the renovated 1600 square foot home has modern amenities, while still maintaining classic charm. the house features new hardwood floors, a spacious kitchen with top-of-the-line stainless steel appliances, and garden bathtubs in the bathrooms. okay, you get the point. all right, jessica, is that ai or a real human being? >> i am going ai, and i will feel very bad if i'm wrong and insulting on, but i'm going ai >> to scott? >> only ai would sell san francisco this hard. because no human being could -- >> why would you given an opening like that? why would you said, that up alisyn? >> well done, as we begin our last segment, i like that. okay, go ahead, patrick. >> i'm going to say this was written by a person. >> okay, got it. governor? >> yeah, i'm voting with this side of the room. >> the to patrick's, the to

patrick's are wrong. yes. no way. whatever isn't even not even creative things like every other everything else. okay, here's the here's the next one. we're going to put up a photo. this is of people watching a space launch. i don't know. which one. there it is. okay. is that a i or is that a real photo is unveiled viewable from this distance. it's really think it's real. it's real governor can do. you have a sense or it's too far away for you to see. i don't think it's real. okay. jessica i think it's real. okay real on that one. okay? only the governor is right . that is a i okay, so in other words, it can not only write a real estate listing. it can also take a fake photo that tricks us. all. okay here is a product. this is a puffy purple headband . did a i create this puffy purple headband. jessica i want to say it's real. okay go ahead,

scott. it's real because i saw mcenroe wearing this in the green. yeah okay, that's definitely real. you have governor bracelet. it's a headband. that is, uh, that is real. okay you're all wrong. that is a i um, i think you're getting the point. you know, we're all playing those testing for the makeup athletes obvious . i'm extremely gullible. that's what it's obvious that a i is taking over the universe. i mean, isn't that what we're getting from this? it can make a headband. it can do a real estate listing. it can fall in love with you as we've heard before. i mean, it's taking over every single week. there's some sort of new development. i mean , a student come into me class. i teach student in my class who came in and he said, you know, the assignment you've given is to write this 750 page thing, and here's the subject, and he said i'm gonna i'm gonna ask chat. gpt gpt to do it while

you're here. and it wrote a coherent, scary essay using quotes from me. from writings that you know you have been able to suss it out. if he hadn't shown you the process would you have been able to suss out that something was a little off about it or no? frankly no. and i said to him, i'm watching you, but it's worrisome. you know, i think so. it's a lot of students, particularly one of them. one of the five of us is actually not a real human being. that's right. leave it to the viewers break real quick. which one is the real question, though, alison, right we go, kennedy, help my serve. yeah i improved my surf. i don't know if it's back to my professional career. if it maybe maybe will fall. we're gonna explore that, okay? because and speaking of which he was the number one tennis player in the world, and i'm not just talking about patrick. macro until yesterday. novak djokovic, speaking to cnn about that, and whether he regrets now not getting vaccinated. that's next. hey hey

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wasn't able to play indian wells, miami i love those tournaments had plenty of success there, but at the same time it is. it is the conscious decision i made and i knew that there was always a possibility that i won't go and it is the current state or current situation that i hope will change. for later this year for the u. s open. that is the most important tournament for me on the american soil. okay, i'm back with my panel now. patrick you're coming to me coming to you first, because you know a thing or two about tennis. no i'm going to come to you more often. first for this one, do you fall? i mean, he's standing by his convictions. do you fault him for that? you know, being a great champion, one of the great qualities of many great champions and all sports is stubbornness. okay and this guy's stubborn to a fault in this particular case, but he's managed to sort of work this to his advantage. i mean, he's taken a lot of heat. he's missed a lot of big tournaments, by the way, don't believe the fact that he is not ranked number one. that's only because they didn't count the points at wimbledon

last year. that was another political issue. they didn't even count his wimbledon point. so if he had gotten those points, he'd be way ahead. he is by far the best player in the world. here. you see the rankings. this young kid alcaraz is great. he's 19. he's going to be the next big thing in tennis. but djokovic is still playing like a guy who's possessed and he wants to end up as the greatest of all time and i would say it's highly likely that's going to happen and he will be back in the u. s we all think for the u. s open, which of course, is at the end of the summer, because at that point, we think the government will have lifted all the restrictions. but i think the government was in a bind here. they couldn't really given him exception. have taken a lot of heat for it. so i understand why he did. why they did it. but it would have been nice to see him playing in these two big tournaments, guys, we're out of time, and i'm really disappointed about that. because jessica was the captain of her high school. tennison did really want that was smirking at you heard about the millions of people that come into this country every day. vaccinated um , my gosh, i can't believe we don't have an entire hour to

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