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closed captioning is brought to you by glides tech flex. >> why just walk, when you can glide? -- plus they have sketchers premium good evening everyone, i'm alison camerota, welcome to cnn tonight. it is former president trump about to be indicted?
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as you, know he's facing the possibility of promotional charges. a source close to the trump legal team, tell cnn, if trump is actually indicted, they do not expect unrest before next week. and, the prosecutor say, they've not made a final decision. so, tonight will dive into all of this. should donald trump be indicted? our prosecutors considering the national security hub occasions? and if any of us were accused of the same thing, would we be indicted? our panel of experts are here to answer this question. plus, chaos in miami beach during spring break. two people were shot to death of the street -- huge unruly crowds, one local official called it a camel takeover, i will speak to him in just a moment. and ted lasso, took over the
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white house press room today. >> that, sarah familiar face, i. >> fake journalist. >> gus trent, nice to see you. >> how do you feel about canvas city being one of this hosting seduced into 2026 world cup? >> well, here i was hoping for her softball. >> we will tell you what ted lasso, and the white house want everyone to know about mental health. >> okay, we've got a lot to talk about tonight, so here is, me the star, natasha alford, a man who loves a good talking heads, reference david urban, an attorney who knows a lot about trouble, and the summit series host at the very serious podcast, barrel. thanks so much for having you here. >> so, let's do this thought exercise that i've been doing all day, about this possible
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trump a diamond, as i want to hear all your thoughts on this if this were a regular person, if this were any of us and we had paid a hush money payment, to someone that we had had an alleged tryst with, and we basically falsified our internal business records. with the manhattan da been indicting us. -- >> you have to make the payments to your false find the records to see new taxes. >> you're making a leap, because the actual charge isn't that trump did today's taxes, it was internal records. >> no, the internal records were used to pay the tax returns. >> so by creating those internal records, that's what she did the arrest. it's also the internal records of the trump organization, the
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related to the financial statements that were filed false, and there's one overarching theme here. that is falsification of documents of the trump organization. >> so not a victimless crime? >> it's not a victim of crime, by no means. >> his answer, now if any of us to that -- >> of course he would. >> well, any of those crimes, if they're gonna charge, correctly will be charged with tax fraud, my understanding would be that the da would pursue a campaign finance violation. >> as the whole problem, everybody cnet, and we don't know what that indictment is gonna look like. >> the reason you paid his taxes. why would that lower your taxes
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level them escape i've been major buyer spending the money. . -- did you make the parent to the theater get elected president? or did you make the payment because you are embarrassed, and you're trying to hide it from her wife, and all sorts of things. you could similarly have a claim about whether you pay new visitors. >> -- and he has not been charged with any of these crimes directly, nor was he charged with any of the issues around valuations property, that is what the manhattan da was looking into some years ago, they had we don't know that,
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but the manner in which this specification has proceeded, and the thing they shutdown are reopened, strongly suggested already had the trial with adam weisselberg. >> michael cohen, who is the key witness in this, says that we don't know all the da has, since he's had more of a window into it than any of us. he says that what we all think it, is that there is more there. >> michael avenatti treating from jail today said that, what we do know what is there, the prosecution will be -- he tweeted out today, i asked elie earlier today, how did he tweet from jail. presumably, he got an, email sensitive to somebody. he says i see this, i've seen these documents, i know it's here. as a part of all this, and if the trump lawyers get a hold of this, prosecutors will be embarrassed, right? so we don't know is, there so let's wait and see, the notion
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that somehow donald trump is sitting with his laptop at home on turbotax, dropping things and doing his taxes himself, is some, what i think, naive. you may know, donald trump is not big on granularity, right? so i'm guessing, however this is kadarius by adding weisselberg, it was unknown to the former president. >> i would hope there is more to the case, considering this is one of the hardest cases to prove, after all the pacific ocean right now,. if i think if i could go 10,000 foot, that's, okay i think the reason that this seems small compared to a phone call on the course of the election. so given how long it has been
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has been compared to what exactly these issues are, and now it being finally brought up. the public imagination, it doesn't evoke the same outrageous before. >> so nick, back to what he used to, saying he can make the argument, yet he watches hands of either way. . if you get to the, jerry with all trump that he can combine with this particular hush payment. the fact that you are creating these false documents, you know that they're being done, basically, you get better rates
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and your bank loans, and you're cheating people read across the board. >> i mean i don't know that. >> i would say most americans -- are not saying it's right, but tax attorneys try to lower tax burden? absolutely. two types attorneys try to structure your deals, and your finances, so you put payless taxes and, more absolutely. >> but yet to prove that in court, falsifying business records in new york's misdemeanor unless you're doing it from his father number crime, and then you have to show that he's doing in the furtherance another crime. many essential have to litigate that the crime would be. -- the theory here if a campaign finance resolution, is actually very similar to the one that federal prosecutors tried and failed to prosecute drawn into words, on its extremely hard to demonstrate the specific people reason people are making a statement on this, and in with
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campaign finance, crimes that you have to show that they knew what they're doing is illegal, as we're taking the fifth amendment, the whole point of the fifth minute is they are allowed to take it, and civil proceeding you can draw adverse inferences from that. but in criminal proceedings, you can point to donald trump taking them fifth, he's guilty. >> we have 450 crimes. >> but today, so it's interesting to hear, the da alvin bragg said, that he hadn't decided yet. they haven't exactly decided yet, and here is the wall street journal editorial board, on what their thoughts are. they say prosecutors use their discretion every day not to bring charges, for any number of reasons, mr. bright came into office vowing not to charge numerous non violent crimes, against public order. a wise prosecutor must consider the potential harm, to confidence the rule of law, and being a prosecution that at
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least half the country will be in political, and it is, true on his first, day alvin bragg put out this list of low level crimes that he would not be prosecuting. number nine was updated offensives such as adultery, which this insight. so what are your thoughts about this. >> i'm very interested in how other members of the gop, had actually responded to donald trump's reaction to it. i think it says a lot. -- as some anxiety around what donald trump is trying to channel, when he called people to come out and rally in his defense. you saw that desantis, sort of discourage people from going out, there and took a swipe at donald trump marjorie taylor greene sane, we're not going to, new york so there seems to be a backing away, now we're seeing how here is january 6th was, and the fact that the whole conversation with donald trump's role in that, really
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seems like a stain on the party. >> it'll also be interesting, i think, this may be one of the cases as much easier to kind of step up and speak up about. yet the fulton county case, may not be so many voices. you get a federal indictment, maybe even less. so this is a place where, if you're in the republican party, it's kind of a safe space to come out and say, that nasty democrat in new york, it's easy to come out to make the case against that. >> depends what the allegations are. >> absolutely, and we haven't seen yet. >> friends, thank you very much for all of that, coming up, one city official says spring break is actually a criminal takeover in miami beach, two people have been killed. but, there's a plan to deal with the chaos, i'll speak to that official next.
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spring break in miami beach turned violent this weekend, two people were shot to death on the street. one city official says there's been a criminal takeover of the city, and the city commissioner joins me now, commissioner alex fernandez, thanks for being with, us what you mean there's been a criminal takeover of your city? >> well, i want to, say miami beach is a beautiful city miami beach is a safe city, but we know there are two weekends out of the year, during spring break, when we have criminal behavior that takes over the streets of our iconic ocean drive, the message has to be, clear miami beach is shutting the door on spring break, we are not going to allow this criminal takeover to continue,
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in our city anymore, and to make sure that history does not repeat itself. we saw it in 2021, when people were murdered in our streets, happen again in 2022, and history repeated again solve this year. we need to act ahead, needed passed measures now so doesn't happen in 2012. >> can you just describe what is like? of these college students coming, in and what we traditionally think of this spring break, college students drink into, much coming into a city, being rowdy, or is there something else come to mind of each? >>. >> these are lawbreakers, these aren't students these are people that are coming into our city, a lot of them probably know each other, some of these
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incidents seem to be targeted, if a guy walking down the street, shoot someone in the head in the middle of ocean drive, and that's not right. and that doesn't define who we are as a city, because the rest of the year, we are a safe city. in fact, during the james ferry spring break, where a tale of two cities. we have the international volleyball tournament happen in our streets, parks, and concerts going on. and then comes, nighttime and you have a criminal takeover where you have our police officers, outnumbered by thousands of people, we've been tried flipping cars on ocean drive. a message has to be clear, miami beach is shutting the door and spring break, because they're not spring breakers. -- let's talk about what city officials can do, what's the answer? >> well, listen we have
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hundreds of police officers within a very small area of our city, we talking about fifth street 15th street, of hundreds of officers from miami beach there, we've reinforced with officers for miami-dade county. in addition to our municipal partners, in addition to even atf agents, that ida played out there. we have license plate readers, so we can enter those individuals that have outstanding warrants. we have a gun violence issue. and for next, year and i am interested for next year is setting a controlled environment, we know we have an issue on ocean drive, we need to have centralized checkpoints with metal detectors where everyone has to go through it to make sure we do not have guns guns penetrating into this area and from now we have to say based on the history and based on the fact that three
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years in a row we have to institute a curfew in the third weekend of march, we need to say now, that for next year, we will be implementing the curfew for 2024, so that the message is clear. we are shutting the twine spring rake, if we need to rollback business hours, we should do that and leave it for next, year and we need a restriction on alcohol sales, let's implemented now so that the word gets out into the world that goes somewhere else. >> commissioner, we hope that the violence is tamp down in miami beach. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank, you miami beach is a safe city, and will continue be under a watch. >> my panel is back with me also, adam navarro joins, this a resident of miami-dade, so it's like? >> well, i'm pistons. because i'm a miami-dade resident. i pay raise taxes to miami-dade. it's a county with 30 some
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thousand, 30 some municipalities, including miami beach. i avoid miami beach every march april, like there is obviously flash, that spread the bubonic plague. every single year. i've heard the same outrage, from city officials, you have to year, nothing gets done,. so my money doesn't go to miami beach, because i don't dare across the causeway enough time. i don't know what they're gonna do about it, but they have to do something about it. >> you know, guns changed everything. so, i used to be, what you said, raucous bathing suit, and people drinking too much, now there's gun violence, and what he's suggesting to change spring break is having a cordoned off area, with metal detectors on the beach, on the streets bars to college students can go to.
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>> our traditional thought of spring, right over his brain the guns, is running for the traditional spring breakers. >> he's not college kids, it's the lawbreakers and spring breakers, i think these are lawbreakers. if you put up a court, if you put it, mags they're gonna go somewhere, else the good people are gonna go inside the masks, not fun, that people stay outside and create problems someplace else. i think it's a systemic problem. and should be approached holistically. if you have curfews, as they're doing, now and an increased police presence, i think that will help. if you go to mardi gras, they're, places very raucous, alcohol consumption in minimal crime for whatever reason. not a cities may have to do, this don't know why this part of one town is a specific problem. >> it seems like a branding problem. >> seems like spring, great people come looking for something raucous, as you know
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we've been hearing these stories back in 2020, 100 people arrested in one weekend, it's not going away, and it's touching every single part of our lives, whether we're talking which going to, church we are going to church or spring break, so until you address that fundamental problem, i mean all of this is putting band-aids on the issue. i think it's going to continue. >> we, at this spring break at fort lauderdale, south padre island, it's not like mardi gras, it's raucous,, but there's not gun violence. >> that's why it saves a branding problem as well, because once people know it has a reputation for getting away with it, -- . >> i think it's it's conceivable that the metal detectors could be removed. but fort lauderdale went
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through this in 1980's, they had a problem with disorders from break, the city basically decided we do when i want to be the spring break capital anymore. >> but they don't have gun violence. >> but the commissioner said communicating events communicating upfront and communicating what might not be fun. there's value in that. at that time it really was college kids, and they're having it campaign on college campuses saying don't come to fort lauderdale if we recipe of an open container. we went to bars and other facilities they did a lot of enforcement about are you overcapacity or sort of serving miners. they basically clamp down on the funny that was successful to dry the body away. might be possible for a beach of something possible like that. >> i really hope you're right. here's the problem. miami beach has great clubs great restaurants, and it's 80 degrees, well as 38 degrees in new york. so we have a real problem and
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have to take very specific and concrete measures because this is getting worse and worse of the year. i lived there i've lived in miami-dade for 43 years now. i am beyond myself that there's an area of my county that for me is completely off limits, for basically three weeks, because i think that if i crossed the causeway, i might die. >> well, you have reason to be concerned, in the past three weeks, just ran a spring break, time we had 332 arrests this year, and they confiscated 70 guns off the street. >> i'll tell you what they have to do. they have to work with people who own the clubs, have to work with people who own the restaurants. that to work with law enforcement. they have to work with a county. it's gotta be a ballistic approach. . >> i don't know what the the
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restaurant will do but i know this. i know i spent a lot of money at miami restaurants, and it no i don't spend it for three weeks during spring way break. >> and that is, point the businesses matter they just had a chamber of commerce meeting, business owners were yelling at the city council members, because there is saying we do not want to extend the overnight curfew, so those conflicting interests and needs and have to work together if they're gonna get a solution. >> yeah, great point, thank you all very much, i want to go back to miami beach. >> who doesn't? >> we all wanted to be safe there for everybody. meanwhile, jason sudeikis visited the white house today, talking ted lasso, mental health, and taking questions. >> oh, here are, was hoping for a softball.
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i'm sorry that you're getting that. >> oh who cares. >> by the way, happy of international day of happiness everyone. and refuses to observe it, so she's decided that she's not observant of it.
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>> i it'll be my international day of happiness if donald trump gets indicted. i will be out there in the streets. >> wait we've all our summers together. >> but it really is a national happiness day today, of, course not, and get a tell you why it is later, but first one of the happiest shows, ted lasso was at the white house today and the cast met with president biden and the first lady, and they discussed, obviously something very important in this country. mental, health and the important of supporting community, for the, meeting jason city kids also coached a lot, so to questions at the white house briefing room, to take a little guess. >> -- the journalist. how did you feel about kansas city being one of the main hosting cities, for the 2026
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world cup. >> oh, hero's house hoping for a softball. you know what, very excited, truth be told, kansas city is gonna be one of these teams. you know, i love this town, what i'm generally worried about, is once we get all these folks around the world, come to kansas city and see our city, we are people, you can have a lot of folks don't move away, that's one way to. >> i love those guys. i'm so happy to see ted lasso back. >> kansas city native. >> yeah, he is, he's a kansas city native. >> people weren't laughing out enough, i thought. >> that's the most credit i've ever seen that before. >> he's got to be like one of these guys show up for me? >> there was a reporter i don't know who is or where he's from he behaved like he was raised by wolves today. >> he was protesting he was speaking up to the point where, one of the journalist air apologized to the people in america, because their spots we
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doing their job, there he was doing it while they were trying to give this press conference. i think it's so important that we are normalizing mental health struggles and challenges. i think it's crucial that we take the stigma out of it, we take the shame out of it, and we talk about it openly. >> i appreciate you saying that, i think that's part of what was done, and that's a plot line, obviously. there's a plotline past feud seasons of ted lasso, where he suffers from panic attacks, because of everything he's gone through. so let's listen to what jason sudeikis, who of course hosted last, so said about mental health at the white house. we all know someone, we have been at someone ourselves, actually, that struggled, that's felt isolated and anxious, and it's felt alone. it's actually one of the many things, that believe it or not, that we all have in common.
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>> natasha, it's so interesting, we are so much more conscious of mental health, issues and struggles, then we were ten years ago, say, and removing the stigma by talking about it. >> and i think stories like this, the storytelling, shows like this are important for normalizing, that and changing, i know that i grew up in a household where, me talking about therapy, that was seen as like a cultural thing. like our people don't really do that. and, we've gotten rid of, that the new generation has come up, they're china stories on social media. but ironically, i think social media are also countries to some of the depression we have, we know the isolation that is a risk factor for depression. so it's like while we're sharing our stories, at the same, time i think we still need to get in rooms together, and make sure that we are practicing community, and really looking out for each other. >> good point, double edged sword. i agree, 20 years, ago maybe longer, four years ago, going to therapy is a cultural no no.
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and also, i gender no no. a lot of men felt that was for cities. >> listen, this is maybe my cultural background, i come from west point, 20 years in afghanistan and iraq, a lot of people came back, suffered from a lot of things, and i think by seen soldiers, tough guys, really tough men come back from serving in the special forces, and going and getting therapy, i think that gave permission to a lot about them and say, it's okay for me to go and talk to somebody. so i think that was very helpful on the way as well. >> i think that's right, i think unfortunate interaction between this and our politics, this is been a sort of fashion for hopelessness, in politics, live feeds into personal feelings of people have, they're like everything is so terrible in the world, and therefore how can you possibly be happy. i think support to talk about mental health, while also talking about in an optimistic way. things can be addressed, and there's so many great things in the world to be happy about. and finding the way to allow
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yourself to be happy about that, which very often includes an excess of one to house, there is a very optimistic story to tell. >> i think we have to give credit to joe biden, and as, white house administration for normalizing it. for bringing it into the white house, and giving it up help it, right? the white house press briefing. it's the biggest pulpit in america, and he's doing it -- >> at the league in there about international happy to, stay talk about supporting culture, as one of the things as noted about this, country is they have a great health care system. >> i gotta tell, you as a latina, i say philonise, denmark i say how can you be happy in that cold. >> but every year they, are finland wins every single year, and this all the scandinavian countries that do when. >> i know it's moving that. >> although, the u.s., rankings highs always at the top of the
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the u.s. is facing a massive shortage of skilled trade workers like ottawa mechanics, plumbers, electricity, this is according to the u.s. chamber of commerce. these are good paying jobs, and we desperately need them. so, why aren't we still training kids in these fields? i'm back with my panel. how come davin i are the only ones who remember shot plus. >> i made a very lovely fruit bowl in middle class, and i think i made a stool in which shop. >> there, go you need that. so, the problem, is at some point we decided that, kids
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needed to be on the college track. all kids needed to be funneled into the college track, i don't know if that's working for everyone. >> no and we started seeing a realization from some employees that maybe they don't need to require college so much. pennsylvania along with a number of other states had an initiative where they don't use a required college degrees. similarly, in the private sector, went through such a long period, where the economy is very sluggish, unemployment reservice is percent. employers can make whatever was they wanted, and i was had employees available to hire. last few years not been like that it, all companies who said they're desperate, higher said can we be a little bit more creative about how we can apply to positions. >> you can't do that with a plumber, saw these positions, you really have to spend a year learning a skill. that's been a problem, because another hangover that old economy we had, there is always slack in the economy, because
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we decided we needed a really big infrastructure bill, there would've been really great for the economy circuit 2012, when we finally got it right to enacting, and we did exactly at the time and labor market is that it's tight is, and i have the government competing against private companies, trying to hire people who can build things is driven out the price of everything. so in the long run, we need a lot more people can do these jobs, especially if a ends up to maine a lot more knowledge jobs you will still need plumbers. >> yeah i is not lame bricks. >> i cannot tell you how happy i am, they were talking about, this because when i'm here in new york, everyone lives in apartments, have as a super, everyone has this. i live in miami, where there are raccoons trying to get is my roof, there are gone is going to my pool, -- >> it really selling it. and there are people getting shot of miami beach, so please stop coming to miami, because i
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did the housing prices to go down. people who actually live in places with houses, old houses, my house was 100 years old, the amount of money, maintenance, the amount of things that go into things that are practical, right? then i cannot fix. my roof! >> this is according to npr, which is citing this firm called handshake about employment. the application rate for young people seeking technical jobs like plumbing, building an electrical work drop by 49% in 2022 compared to just 2020. this is from the online recruiting platform half pound handshake. while pushing for those roles, automated trans -- respiratory therapist, his name if, you saw on average ten applications each in 2020, they got about five postings in 2022. >> and i mean, or going in the wrong direction. >> i think two things can be sure the, same time when my mom is going up in the bronx, she wanted to go to college, and she was told, you know, we
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should be a secretary. a lot of puerto rican young women are becoming secretaries, she was funneled down this path and told she couldn't go to college. so, i think it is important when there was a shift, there is a challenging of yes, there are people who can be college bound from all different types of backgrounds, but at the same, time there is a stigma attached to sort of vocational careers, as if they didn't pay good amount of money, and they do, as a former teacher actually not every student wants to go to college, not every student needs, to there's all different types of intelligences, so i think we ought to diversify the way we look at and also talk about what matters in education. i know what i pay my plumber, i know what i play my, river i know i pay my -- trying to get into my roof. i can tell you, they earn more than a secretary, and probably a lawyer. >> i blame the kardashians, because everyone wants to be an influencer. kids growing up there in the room they're sitting on their phones. they want to --
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dementia, his wife talking about the pain of dealing with her husband's diagnosis. >> today is my husband's birthday, i have started the morning by crying. as you can see by my swollen eyes and snotty nose, i just think it is important that you see all sides of this. i always get this message or people always tell me, like, you are so strong. i don't know how you do it. i am not given a choice. i wish i was. but i am also raising two kids in this. sometimes our lives we have to put our big girl panties on and get to it. >> i'm back with my panel. that is very generous of her to put that out, i think. and very brave of them to show what it really looks like. because precipitous is an icon and he is icon of sort of what you were talking about david
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that alpha male persona but he has had for so long. >> same -- they are doing it out of -- >> it's a very tough disease. my father suffered the last few years with dementia. similarly, it is tough to watch somebody you love kind of fade away like that slowly. >> was the same with my grandmother and it was just watching the it's the most, walk in the room, realize sometimes they are with you and sometimes they are not. again, we were talking about this with depression, mental health, he is opening up about the realness of it. you, know they could put on a great front. they could put on, talk about make this a pr moment. but i think that realness will help so many families. >> or they can say nothing at all, right? >> well who of us would know that bruce willis and his family are going through this. first of all, i have the greatest admiration for this
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family because i can't even, i, mean as the current wife, the ex-wife, demi moore. the older kids, the younger kids. this is so civilized. i can't even imagine. >> they must show how much they all of bruce willis. >> yes, and they love each other, and we understand the cause of the family. >> look, i think there's so many people around the world going through seeing somebody they love, fading a little bit every day. and it is hard, it is painful, it is sad and, you, know my mom died in the year to half ago. and i actually think in a way it is a privilege to be able to go through it, to be able to be with them and give them love and surround them with support as they are going through this. so i am thankful to this family for, again, the stigmatizing it, and making people feel like they can relate. >> i totally agree, it is a gift.
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it is a gift but when you are in it is so hard, and she talks about that, she says, like, i have times of sadness every single day, grief every day. so when she is going through, it she is sharing it publicly. >> i will tell you what helps you got through it, family, friends and talking about it. and it just people lifting you up, because it is hard. and, listen, if we are lucky we are going to bury our parents. >> and i think for a lot of people, this is such a common experience to go through. and for a lot of people i think it is a very isolating experience. so i think that is one thing that is nice about them doing this so publicly. they are showing people something that i think a lot of people know on intellectual level but they don't see that this is, so many people go through this and so many people have to find a way through this and i think it provides an example and it shows people that they are not alone. >> yeah, back in the day i was friends with dana and christopher reeves and michael j. fox had so many people who have been so brave about sharing their stories publicly and disguising it, kind of educating people along the way.
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>> another great example, he is superman. we'll get to see that that is all a facade actually. thank you all very much, thank you for showing up. so law enforcement in multiple cities are preparing in the event that former president trump is indicted and people heed his calls for protests. we have all of that coming up, you heard us. oh! it's daylight saving time. what's the big deal? gasp! what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big dl? ♪marching band music♪ ♪marching band music♪ i'll get a cart. get two! scotts daylawn saving is the biggest deal of the year. stock up early and save up to $20 dollars
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president trump says he is about to be indicted, prosecutors say they have not made a final decision yet on criminal charges over that hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels. but law enforcement officials
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are getting ready. all and white pd of a sirs are expected to be in uniform and ready to deploy. this is according to an internal memo, this is a source who shared this with cnn. officials set up security cameras and barricades as you can see in this video. this is near the courthouse where the grand jury investigation is taking place. i want to bring in my panel, we have new jersey's finest, -- i didn't prove this. elie honig, we also have rabbi jay michaels. in the always opinionated patrick mcenroe, and uconn expert linette lopez. also joining us as former secret service agent jonathan walker. great to have you. jonathan, let's start with you, because of your secret service agent hat. president trump has called on his supporters to, quote, take our nation back. and so, given your law enforcement skills, do you think, what do you think that we will see on the day that he is indicted? if he is indicted? >> well, alison, good evening. the first thing, i'm like

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