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it's the top of the hour on "cnn newsroom." and we're so glad you're with us, hi, everyone, i'm jessica dean. >> and i'm boris sanchez. jessica, great to share an afternoon with you, albeit a busy one, right? the nation is bracing to see if an american president is going to be indicted in coming days. that's never happened in u.s. history. it's unprecedented. and the outcome hinges on what happens outside of this courthouse in manhattan. just a short time ago, a man who may be one of the final grand jury witnesses in a case against former president donald trump arrived at the courthouse. this car transporting robert costello, he's appearing at the request of trump's attorneys and he is there, essentially to contradict michael cohen, trump's former fixer. >> of course, cohen is a key witness as the new york district attorney investigates trump's alleged role in a hush money scheme to cover up a $130,000

payment in 2016 to adult film star stormy daniels. it was to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump which he has denied. but the former president did post online that he expects to be arrested tomorrow. and then called for protests and for supporters to, quote, take our in addition back. republicans are slamming the prosecution as political. and today, several house leaders called for the d.a., alvin bragg, to testify before congress, accusing him of prosecutorialal buss. >> we're covering enangle of this story, cnn capitol recorder melody is in orlando. we're going to start with kara spinel in manhattan. kara, take us behind closed doors, what's happening with the grand jury right now? >> reporter: well, boris, you saw bob costello, he's the attorney that worked with

michael cohen several years ago. we saw him arrive about 1:00. so he's been about an hour behind closed doors as far as we know. but the grand jury process is secret, so we really don't have a lot of clarity what's going on behind the scenes. hi is in there, according to a source, he went to the d.a.'s office and went to trump's attorneys and said he has evidence that the person that facilitated the hush money payments pleading guilty to former charges saying that the former president directed him to make the payments. certainly a key witness. now costello has come forward and saying the information he has is contradictory. and trump's attorneys would say what costello would tell the d.a.'s office, saying when he was working with cohen, he was not aware that the former president had committed crimes. costello has hundreds of pages of documents, including during

that time period which is what cohen pushed for that grand jury hearing to hear testimony. and also in that building behind me is michael cohen, we saw him arrive around 2:00 p.m. he's there on stand. by as a potential rebuttal witness to go before the grand jury. prosecutors feel he needs to do so, so he's waiting to see if he's going to do this. all of the people who have touched the hush money investigation have been meeting with the grand jury. so there are very few witnesses who have knowledge of this left to go, it really feels that we're getting to a conclusion here, a potential decision, on whether or not to bring the unprecedented charges against a former president. we're also seeing signs of security picking up around here. this morning, we saw the nypd installing security cameras on the light posts and now the officers have put up barricades on the street surrounding the

courthouse. boris, jess. >> it's amazing to see that coming together. melny, in florida, where house republicans are gathering. they're promising multiple investigations. they're outraged by this potential arrest of donald trump. tell us what you're learning about that? >> reporter: yeah, house republicans are really turning up the heat on the manhattan district attorney office ahead of a possible trump indictment, three powerful committee chairmen are demanding both written testimony and documents from alvin bragg about the hush money payment that he made before the march 2024 election. and they want to know of any federal funds used in the investigation and they also want to know whether there's any communication between the department of justice and the manhattan d.a. republicans really see this as an abuse of power. they said this was an overreach, and even as they acknowledge, they don't know the full scope

of charges that trump might be facing. so this underscores the lengths that republicans are willing to go to defend the president. and really is an extraordinary move for republicans to be trying to intervene in an ongoing criminal probe. but republicans are standing by their move. take a listen. >> what changed? president trump announces he's running for president. and so now, some bookkeeping error from seven years ago, a misdemeanor. it makes no sense. >> but you don't know the charges? >> what you guys have told us. aren't you jumping to conclusions he may have broken the law does that concern you? >> we don't think the president broke the law at all. >> it's a misdemeanor, it's not the crime of the century either. you're, this thing has political taint to it, you know, any way you spin it. >> reporter: but it's allegedly falsifying business records to cover up hush money payment. does that concern you? >> sure.

if there was a crime committed that would concern me, i think the law -- you don't break the law. then it's enforced. >> reporter: now, this republican-led effort to investigate the investigators are coming on the first full day of the house republican policy retreat here in florida, where they had hoped to focus on their legislative agenda. but instead, they're finding themselves playing defense for donald trump which is quite a familiar position for the republican party, jessica and boris. >> at evergreen situation. they want for focus on agenda, but yet, they're talking about former president donald trump. melanie zanona and kara spinel, in florida, thank you for reporting. and a former federal prosecutor, it's great to see you, i just want to talk about what's going on with the case. based on what kara is explaining to us, it's basically someone's word against someone's world with the grand jury today. you've got the trump team asking

bob costello to come in and potentially refute what he's testified to. do you think the d.a. is prepared for something like this? and what do you think the chances of it swaying opinion could be? >> it's interesting, i don't think the d.a. is prepared for this, i think it's certainly a creative move, i think the reason they wouldn't be prepared is because it's not a particularly good one. it's essentially an attempt to try to insert themselves into the grand jury process but the deck is stacked very heavily in prosecutor's favor. the defense isn't allowed to be there. they can't have their own attorneys there, they're not presenting their own evidence and so on, so, yes, they can demand that this witness be called but because they're not part of that process, i think the grant jury is going to side with prosecutors. that's usually the safe bet with grand juries. and really, they kind of let the cat out of the bag. in other words, now that i'm a defense attorney and i have been fob several years, i try to keep

my comments close to the vest. now, they're giving prosecutors time to question the witness long before the trial ever occurs. >> and walk us through the legal theory for an indictment here. because it isn't exactly black and white. the d.a. alvin bragg is going to have to connect some dots for a potential jury. right? >> agreed. i think there's some serious questions about the legal charges here. obviously, we're going only on what is reported as manu raju noted in that clip a moment ago, we don't know exactly what the charges look like, but it looks like, based on reporting, that there's going to be a misdemeanor charge of falsified business records with the intent to defraud. but that gets turned into a felony under new york law, if that -- if that, you know, falsification of business record which here would be recording of payments to the porn star stormy daniels as payments for legal

services which, of course, they were not if it was done in furtherance of a second crime. and here the crime, at least reportedly would be a campaign finance obligation with the d.a. arguing that the funding was done with to fund the campaign because the payments were made in the late stages of the 2016 election. that would be a pretty novel argument, potentially unprecedented, and i would expect some significant legal challenges. >> and if you zoom out for a second, renato, you've got the other case in georgia against former president trump trump. we've got federal cases. how do you think this impacts those, if at all? or what do you see playing out? >> great questions, so those cases are going to go forward and i actually think this ups the difficulty for the defense. once thing that is always hard on the defense side is fighting the war on multiple fronts where your client is facing charges in different courtrooms. and instead of thinking solely

about how your words or actions or strategy will move the ball forward in that case, you have to as consider how all of those words and actions are going to impact your strategy and position in all of these other cases at the same time. so, you know, trump is really in a hard mode kind of situation here where his attorneys are going to-, unfortunately, for hm face a war at multiple fronts much like r. kelly or michael avenatti. >> we should point out that his attorney's attempted to get the entire fulton county case dismissed. so we'll have an update for viewers later in the other. renato marinatti, we appreciate you. let's talk to ron brownstein, senior editor at the atlantic. and juliette kayyem, a national security analyst and a former assistant secretary in the

department of homeland security. juliette, i want to start with security for you, there are serious questions about logistics here in donald trump is going to surrender to a manhattan courtroom, if he's ultimately indicted, it's not just a question of him getting there. there's enormous public interest in this case, obviously, he's a former president and he's called for protest. >> yeah. so, let's start with the first one which is just simply getting a body, that's all he is, from point a. to point b. we know how to do this, even if it involves the secret service. they certainly know how to do this, and they are viewing it as essentially just a transport. that they're not going to make a big deal out of it. yet, in new york, of course, they have to score the facility because of potential protests, because of the public interest. a lot of this is going to depend on trump because, of course, he can go in without a lot of hoopla, give his name, identification, whatever else,

and leave. and we're done, right? the variable is, of course, will trump want that and use this as a mean of fund rraising and oth aspects. i wrote for the atlantic, the court system has control over that, and the hoopla to make sure this doesn't turn out to be fundraising for trump. the scary part of it, if no one calls insurrection and no one shows up is he still donald trump? his calls for rally, you're getting pushback from mccarthy, i should say protest, he's not saying violence. and also on social media, you're just not seeing the kind of galvanizing that you saw january 6. there's too many people in jail, people have moved on. and they also worry about, if they show up, whether it's a false flag and that they'll get arrested by the fbi. so in a weird way, trump's

conspiracy theories are now playing against him. so, i'm not too worried about whether we're confronting a january 6th again. there will be hoopla, but there won't be the january 6 kind. >> that's such an interesting point. ron, an indictment is going to test this truism of the republican party in the age of trump. and his grip is so strong that his most fervent supporters have to support him. that lawmakers and officials feel they must appease him. and we've seen the house gop jumping out in front of this. calling on the manhattan d.a. to testify to see if there are any federal funds used in this. we've seen as melanie zanona was reporting a number of them batting down how serious this is. yet the fact remains if he's indicted this would be a first in american history. is america ready for this? >> well, thinking about the impact on the republican party

first time, and the country overall. two things can be true at the same time. one, as you noted in your question, what we're watching unfold from the house republicans is extraordinary. i mean, they are actively looking to, in effect, intimidate a district attorney with these demands for testimony. sand documents who is engaged in an ongoing criminal inquiry. and while they have kind of taken the step away downplaying the protests, overall, the language that you're hearing from house gop leaders is, i think, indelible tattooing them further as the party of trump immediately after an election, when soap republican strategists came out and said part of the reason republicans underperformed is because they were too closely identified with trump. now, the second piece, whether this in fact helps had imin a presidential primary, with marjorie taylor greene, i think that's a more open question,

because we doll see there's a substantial portion of the gop electorate now that questions whether trump can win again. certainly for the most ardent supporters, is this going to be they're going safer me because they want to silence you. the question whether he can win again, can i think there's more reason to be concerned and we've seen evidence in that in our new cnn polling that came out last week. >> juliette, to ron's point about potential attempt from members of trump's party to intimidate d.a.s or investigators looking into the former president, do you really think that might have a chilling effect on their work? >> no, i mean, i think -- i worry more about the physical well-being of people involved with this case, the judge, jurors, of course, the d.a. and the district attorney's office, we've already seen brad come out. so what you're worried about is

sort of the one crazy person, right? not an apparatus going up, but the one crazy person who hears this and goes after someone involved with that. so you're going to, if not already, see the increased what we call personal protection. just focus on the individuals on this. to ron's point, i wouldn't agree more. the lack of interest in protest is -- from someone who thinks about radicalization rather than politics is interesting to me. part of that is, as i said, is because trump no longer has a get out of free card. i mean, he just cannot help these people if they rally and then protest. and so what you're really focused on is i think those individuals who might be radicalized by trump. but once again, we're not seeing the kind of organization that made people like me very nervous leaning into january 6. people getting into cars, people

going to d.c., that's not happening now. >> ron, before we let you all go, i do want to talk about how this potentially could impact 2024. we've seen the florida governor ron desantis trying to thread this needle. he didn't go all and out, potential contend, maybe a likely one for donald trump, let's say, but trying to thread the needle where he attacked the manhattan d.a. but stopped well short of providing any support for former president trump. what do you make of his response to this? >> well, look, the republican candidates have been extremely cautious. they have almost all immediately, preemptively condemn the prosecution. we heard asa hutchinson saying you got to let the prosecution play out. no one in the base has done that. it's basic strategy, basically saying i will give you trumpism without trump. i will fight all of the cultural

fights he's fighting without dragging the baggage he does. you saw him walking that tight rope but making a snide comment about hush money to a porn star. the question remains -- donald trump is a dominant figure in the republican party. while there are more open to voters than 2016, they're not going to get there naturally on their own. if you want to replace him as the republican nominee, you're probably going to have to make a more explicit case that republicans has, than anyone has made so far, including desantis today. they're still operating on the theory that they don't want to alienate trump's space because they will eventually need him, but that kind of thinking is what allowed trump to win with 46% of the vote in 2016. >> that's right. >> ron brownstein and juliette

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warning that xi's visit to moscow gives only diplomatic cover to russian war crimes. biden officials are also watching very closely for signs china may provide lethal aid for russia's war. >> with us is congressman krish m morphy. we're grateful that you're sharing the afternoon with us. there any part of the plan that you stand behind? >> i think some parts of it are laudable, but i think part of it would be, pardon me, march madden when this particular plan would yield peace when it doesn't even call for russian troops to any degree. what it ends up doing is basically ratifies the status quo which is completely

unacceptable. >> and congressman in your opinion, what do you think china's end goal is in the next few days? >> i think they're trying to burnish their reputation as a peacemaker. i think their big audience are europeans but every time the ccp and president xi jinping want to try to court the europeans to try to help revive their economy, every time they say, you know, to vladimir putin, president xi jinping calls him quote-unquote dear friend, i think it sends shudders down the spines of european officials. at the end of the day, you know, i understand that president xi recognizes europe as the biggest destination for chinese goods. and the biggest source of investment in the people's republic of china. but i don't see them running towards his corner, when he makes moves like this towards

vladimir putin. >> congressman, have you seen any intel that indicates that beijing is taking any step closer to sending lethal aid to russia? >> well, i can't discuss, you know, classified information. but i think it's fair to say there's a deep level of concern about the ccp and the chinese communist party basically consider doing this. it would really escalate the war. and i think president xi has to recognize that there would be immediate sanctions, not only from the united states, but from precisely the european countries that he's trying to court to revive his economy. so, we would respectfully tell him don't go down this path. >> and congressman, you're the ranking member on this committee focused on congress which, frankly, is one of the few bipartisanests that we've seen

that has made a lot of progress in this congress. what do you think the american people need to know about the ccp, about the chinese government, how they're positioning themselves in the world? and what are all trying to help explain. because as a member of that and the house intelligence committee, you're privy to a lot of information. >> well, i think that what the american people need to know is why this committee was created. it was basically created to assess the challenges that the ccp poses with regard to our economy. with regard to our national security and our technological security. and to then try to usher legislation through other committees of jurisdiction to deal with those challenges. and so, we don't seek a war. we don't seek a cold war or a hot war. or any hostilities of any kind with the people's republic of china. however, we do need to protect our interests, as americans. and we also need to deter any aggression by the ccp toward us,

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bloomberg is reporting berkshire hathaway's warren buffett has been in touch with the biden administration in recent days, following the collapse of silicon valley bank. cnn has not independently confirmed the calls. >> we're joined by cnn's matt egan. tell us what you know about this. they obviously don't call him the oracle for nothing, right? >> that's right, boris. warren buffett has a long history of betting on america including times of stress. back in 2008, september 2008, he invested in goldman sachs. in 2011, he put a lot of money into bank of america. bloomberg is reporting that wuf

f buffett has been in touch with biden for two reasons, one to discuss this. and also to provide investment in regional banks. we know warren buffett is no strange to the banking sector. his holding company, berkshire hathaway holds ventures in citi, american express, visa, we should note that either the white house or treasury are confirming this, we've reached out, haven't heard back. but obviously, from the oracle of omaha would be one way to restore confidence in the banking system. to look at what is happening today, they've been mixed from the selloff. first republic back down 48%. in the last few officials a u.s. official briefed reporters wha is going on in the banking sector, this official said the

state deposits at small and midsize banks has continued not just last week, but through today. and reporting from this official says it's swings in the stock market is noll way correlated to what they're seeing with regards to bank deposits which is good news i would think. and uninsured outflows they're either slowed or stopped or in some cases reversed basically all of the major banks that we've been talking about. so, i think all of this is encouraging, and we hope to see this trend continue because it would show that confidence is returning here. >> yeah. certainly a turn in the right direction. matt egan thank you for reporting. appreciate it. we're joins by evan osmos, he's a staff reporter and author of "joe biden the life and run and what matters now." good to see you, you literally wrote the book on the president. it's not uncommon to talk to leaders, even the president and

have these kinds of conversations. that's happened a lot. help us understand how president biden, joe biden, the man, sort of takes in that outside counsel. >> yeah, i mean, there are business leaders and then there's also warren buffett. he has did of course, jessica, this unique ability to converse to the markets, to the public at large. if that report is true, that's a sign, one, they're going outside to get somebody whose advice is considered -- you know, he's not working for the bank. he's someone who has stepped in, in the past, in 2008 and 2011, to make sure some mistakes that were made in the past, that's important, too. >> evan, not surprising, the republicans were quick to criticize the president not just in smaller but regional banks but response for intervening to banks that aren't essential to the whole banking system.

how much exposure do you think this mini crisis might wind up creating for president biden, if he decides to run for re-election? >> well, you know, as is often the case, boris, with bijoe bid, there's history here, right he lived through 2008 and 2009 as a senator and then as a president. and bailing out the bank, what he saw in 2008 to shore up banks in trouble. they're not putting taxpayer money into it. we've heard them say this over and over again. they want to make sure that there is an understanding that the money that is being used in this case is coming from other banks. or it's coming from insurance premiums that banks themselves have paid to shore up gossetters. so if he's drawing that distinction to say we are trying to protect people who put money in the banks but at the same time, they're calling for congress to impose tougher rules on bank executives who

mismanaged risks and made mistakes. kind of club ax that income and impose fines maybe. there's a real way to learn from 2008 and not make mistakes politically they have exposed democrats the last time. >> and boris just alluded to a future run in 2024. i've got to tell you, evan, anywhere i go, that's what everyone wants to know, is joe biden running for re-election? none of us have crystal balls, we certainly have reporting and you as the author of the book on him have insight on the family and the decisions that he's made. as we sit here today, what are your thoughts around that? >> well, he and those around him, including ron klain in an interview not too long has said every which way he has the intention of running. we're not going to know until the very last minute, joe biden makes these decisions sometimes down to the wire. but it's not an accident you

that heard the president of the united states talking about the fact that it was deregulation under the trump administration that contributed to this kind of frailty in the regional banks we're seeing now. that's taking a shot at a potential opponent in the 2024 campaign. they're not letting voters avoid the knowledge that in fact there were mistakes that were made under the previous president that might have prevented this crisis from emerging today. >> perhaps also not a coincidence that we've seen this white house make moves recently that skew more towards the center like the d.c. crime bill and immigration and other things. evan osnos, thank you for the time. >> my pleasure. just weeks after the double murder conviction of alex murdaugh, the family of the teen who was found dead near the former south carolina attorney's property is now hoping to exhume his body for a private autopsy. what murdaugh's only surviving son is saying about this. that's next.

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prosecutors working with here? >> well, look, they have a lot of evidence they're sifting through, remember that special grand jury for months and months, heard from witnesses and associates and allies of donald trump who pushed the claims of election fraud but also working across a number of other states. we also know there are at least three recording where donald trump is on tape pressuring officials around the 2020 election results. but i think one of the things the district attorney is looking at whether you can build a case, essentially, that donald trump and his allies are part of this criminal enterprise. that would be the potential racketeering case and really make the argument that this is something that originated from the top down, not the bottom up. again, no decisions have been made whether to bring charges against anyone. in january, the district attorney said the decisions were imminent. we're getting a sense of what imminent means, at least when it comes to a district attorney. >> and trump and his legal team, their attempt to have this all

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new today, the only surviving son of convicted murderer alex murdaugh is speaking out for the first time on the death of his former high school classmate steven smith. buster murdaugh is slamming what he calls baseless rumors that he was involved in the 19-year-old's death back in 2015. >> lawyers for smith's family

are hoping to have the baddy exhumed for a private autopsy. those lawyers an smith's mom are also speaking out today. dianne gallagher was following the details from charlotte, north carolina. there is so much happening today with this case. but i'm wondering, after all of these years, why the push now to exhume smith's body? >> reporter: so, i think that sandy smith, the mother of steven smith, would say that she would have done this years ago if she knew it were possible. and if she had the money to do so. and part of the reason why she's able to try for this right now and, look, her attorneys still have to petition a judge to get permission to exhume his body, is because of roughly $70,000 worth of donations she's been given through a gofundme. much of them coming from the those who followed the murdaugh double murder trial online. millions of people watch that

unfold. alex murdaugh was convicted in the murders of his wife and son earlier this month. and, look, there is no direct connection between buster murdaugh and steven smith. aside from the fact they went to high school together. but there has been a lot of innuendo and rumors included on podcasts and social media and much stems from a 2021 announcement from the state law enforcement when they auns noed they were opening an investigation into steven smith's 2015 death, quote, based upon information gathered during the course of the double murder investigation of maggie and paul murdaugh. now, look, smith's death remains unsolved. investigators have never revealed what that information was that they gathered. but buster murdaugh speaking out for the very first time today saying that he had remained silent about in his words these vicious rumors because he was going through his father as trial and grieving the death of his mother and his brother. but said today these baseless rumors of my involvement with

steven and his death are false. i unequivocally deny any involvement in his death and my heart goes out to the smith family. now, steven smith's mother and attorneys speaking today about this new investigation. a private investigation. going forward saying they're going to go wherever it leads them. >> all right. >> we're going to hire experts who are going to come into this case with a fresh set of eyes, with an open mind, without any preconceived conclusions, being objective and wherever the facts go, that is where the investigation will go. >> i just love my son. and since i couldn't protect him, i'm going to fight for him. i want to thank everyone who has donated and supported us from the beginning. and but i hope to find the real reason for steven's death. and the real why.

>> reporter: and of course they initially said that his death was a result of a hit-and-run. but investigators on scene said that his death and the scene itself did not match with that of a hit-and-run or even being hit by a vehicle. this private investigation is concurrent to the sled investigation going on and we asked how that was going and sled said that they have made progress in the death investigation of steven smith, but they said that it remains active ands ongoing. >> dianne gallagher, thank you for that update. we have got just minutes left in the first trading day of the week. stocks are well in positive territory after ubs said it woululd buy credit suisse. we have much more ahead. rlic th- tastes way better.r. can't argue with that analysysis. try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet.

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