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presidential palace in warsaw after meeting behind closed doors. no questions answered it appears there. we will track that to see what president biden is weighing in on. he has a lot of news to talk about. we saw president putin giving a speak saying russia is going to suspend their are cooperation. antony blinken says it is irresponsible decision he believes. it's not russia formally pulling out of the agreement but it remains to be seen what that looks like. and, obviously, big questions for what president biden is going to say when he has the world stage in a matter of hours from now. >> great point. let's bring in to talk about that and more clarissa ward, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine bill taylor and retired major general marks. general, on the agreement, right, between the united states, russia, et cetera, that was supposed to expire in 2026,
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the fact that russia is saying now it will not go along anymore with any inspections on a full withdrawal, but the significance of that and the fact that antony blinken the secretary of state said it is deeply unfortunate in any event and irresponsible said the u.s. will talk to russia about this at any point regardless of what is happening on the world stage with russia and ukraine. that is how critical the u.s. believes this is. >> absolutely critical. look, the only way that the nuclear threat is going to cool down in any way is if you look at past history where the united states and formerly the soviet union agreed to have their salt talks, to have the start talks, and then to continue with the new start talks that we see right now. that competition has been in place for over four to five decades and it must be addressed. look, one nuclear weapon alone is sufficient to give us all
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concern, right? what we're talking about is russia has in excess of 5,000 nuclear weapons. the united states on this graphic right here has about 5,000 as well. china we need to keep in mind is increasing their nuclear stockpile. so the discussion about nukes has to take place very broadly. it needs to be we serious and it needs to be isolated and not tied to any other conflicts or challenges that exist. the problem in ukraine is that russia had this war of conquest and they are not giving any indication that they are going to leave. that needs to be addressed but separately from the discussion in terms of strategic nuclear drawdown. that must take place. >> i can't help but ask this. it's been annoying me. there is talk of giving f-16s to the ukrainians from the united states. how long does it take to train for those?
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like can you give us some sense of how long it would take if those actually ended up in the country for their air force, their version of the air force, to train and to be competent on them? >> well, just don't fly an f-16. you fight an f-16 in concert with ground activity, ground maneuver intelligence, air engagements, et cetera. it's not just flying an aircast. it's fighting that aircraft effectively. this a minimal year-long type of training environment. what you want -- look, the ukrainian air force has some comp tenty is in a pock pit like that. you could get them up to the ability to fly it but ythen the have to train to fight it. that's a distinction with a difference. >> that is eye-opening. >> right? i didn't realize it was that long. wow. that's incredible. >> kaitlin. >> that's what we have heard from the ukrainian foreign
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minister saying start training the ukrainians now. if you ultimately decide they are already trained, clarissa, we are seeing signs today saying send the f-16 to ukraine now. a clear message to president biden. i wonder what ukrainians are making not only what president biden may say today but also of what president putin said this morning? >> i think it's been interesting to see, obviously, there was a hugely post positive reaction to president biden's visit here yesterday. people will be watching to see what might be said in warsaw today, particularly after we heard from the chief of staff of the office of the presidency. he alluded to the fact that potentially there could be some movement on some of these stickier issues. he talked about issues being resolved, things that were stuck being sped up, not clear if he is referring to the heavier
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weaponry we have been talking about, fighter jets, long-range artillery or missiles. that's what people will be looking out for. in terms of president putin's speech, i think it affirmed for people or reaffirmed, i should say, the alternate reality that president putin is living in. the idea that ukraine's government is somehow responsible for the misfortunes of this country, that they are responsible for the plummeting economic situation, they are acting in the best interest of the west and not their own people. these are the types of sort of categorizations that most people find preposterous. we actually heard from the senior advisor to the presidency who said putin demonstrated, quote, irrelevance and confusion because everywhere there are nazis, martians and conspiracy theories. essentially, really laying the groundwork for the broader idea here, which is how on earth could we be expected to sit down
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and try to hash out some kind of a political solution when the russian president is talking in these terms and clearly is living in a different universe to what people here are seeing and experiencing on the ground every day. >> ambassador taylor, as we are a few hours away from president biden speaking, we know that from the white house this won't be a direct rebuttal to putin, but putin sort of set the stage for this. how do you think his remarks are impacted by the reality that the secretary of state is very concerned about china possibly supplying lethal aid to russia and now russia this morning saying it won't comply with new start inspections? >> so, just demonstrates the problems that we have with the russians. the russians have not been cooperative about anything. they have been clearly responsible for this invasion. there is no reason -- there was no reason for the russians to
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invade. it was totally unprovoked and so they have now indicated that they are not going to cooperate on new start. as spider marks says, this is a problem that can be addressed. we tried to address it. the americans tried to address it with the russians and they pulled out of the conversation. they would not engage in this kind of conversation. so it's clearly the russians' issue. back on the issue about the f-16s, one thing on that, that's a long-term, as spider marks just indicated, that's going to take a year. there are two issues here. one is how to enable the ukrainians to win on the battlefield right now in the next couple of months and that won't be with f-16s. that will be with the kinds of weapons that are already there and that will include some of the european tanks, the lep ards. that's the immediate fight which they can win the long termer term fight is the f-16s and
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other weapons come in. that's where ukraine needs to be able to deter and defend against another russian attack. so there are two different timeframes here. f-16s are in the longer-term timeframe. >> kaitlin, it wasn't just, as you pointed out, the ukraine foreign minister saying, it was u.s. senator lindsey graham echoing others in u.s. congress saying train them now. >> yeah. but wolf asked john kirby about this last night. he said right now no plans to train them. i want to bring in christiane amanpour. y listening to ambassador taylor. what do you make about the f-16s? >> having come from the munich security conference and interviewing a lot of people there, that might come as we said in sort of a way everything that ukraine has asked for a year has been no, no, no, yes. everything from long-range artillery, anti-aircraft systems to himars and tanks and who
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knows, perhaps they will eventually get the planes as ambassador taylor said may not need them right now, but. but the most important thing is that the ukrainians need the ammunition to go with the weapons systems they have right now. this is the most important and crucial thing that is sort of not flying under the radar because the europeans and nato are trying to address this. but the production capacity in nato is not as fast as they would like right now. they need shells and ammunition for all the systems that they have and that's for the current battle underway. having said that, we do not and nor have these experts yet seen a sort of special evidence of any kind of new and different so-called russian spring offensive. it hasn't materialized yet. >> and is the idea that even if they launch that and it does materialize it could be successful? we talk about it like it's guaranteed that it will, but it's not really? >> the question is, and all the
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military experts answer this better than i do, has the military in russia figured out how to fix everything that's gone wrong on the battlefield the last year? we don't know. what we do know, and this is frantically important, what they may lack in quality they make up for in quantity. in other words, the number of people that they -- they are ready to shove at this in human waves because they don't care about the loss of their own lives, much less the loss of ukrainian lives. they have an advantage of people. >> putin had that moment of silence in his speech for the russian moments they loss. what did you make of his speech this morning? >> i was kind of interested he didn't lay out a battle plan for this next few weeks and months. it was all the stuff that we have heard in the past. the narrative of the russians that portrays them as the victims, them as the saviors, ukrainians as the evil monsters,
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the nazis, again, again he said that. of course, he had to address with a moment of silence and other things that he said, you know, congratulating their heroes he said because the mothers, the sisters, the brothers, the fathers of all these people who have been thrown at this battle like into a meat grinder, he wants to make sure it doesn't come to a head whereby they come out of their homes and start to protest because that could happen. that happened at the end of the afghan occupation in 1989. it was the parents who came out and said enough already. our children are, you know, are dying for nothing. so i think that's really important. >> trying to keep popular opinion. you talked about giving soldiers vacation days, talked about two weeks once a year. he used these speeches to, a, announce the special military operation to announce the conscription. are you surprised there wasn't an announcement like that beyond the suspension? >> not really. he knows how domestically tricky that is.
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he might do it, but maybe that was not the speech whereby he was going to announce it. what i found interesting was that he addressed sort of obliquely the problems with the russian military saying that in the next five years, how about right now, we have got to figure out how to get our military better than it is essentially, he was saying. we have to modernize. we have to do, you know, all these things that he was saying. clearly knowing, especially through the russian military bloggers on the ground, knowing there is a huge. am of criticism of the ministry of defense and russian military operation. huge amount of criticism not about the war but the way it's being prosecute bid the russians. and they flung a few salvos at the utter corruption, talking about people in their yachts and fleeing and, you know, having a good time with all their, quote, unquote, ill gotten gains abroad. >> he had a clear audience in mind. and we were listening to that
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speech. he talked about how resilient the russian economy is. that has been -- it's more resilient than you heard from some people in the west, i think, than what they were surprised by? >> well, yes. in the long-term, the west, and this was said at munich, because of the price of gas. that's already going down and russia has been caught off from the international -- a lot of the international financial system and they are also having problems getting spare parts, getting, you know, all the high-tech they need. that's why the west is legitimately worried about any move by china, whose foreign minister is going there today, is probably there, to send any kind of lethal weaponry. i am told as yet they have seen no evidence that that has started. but the west is really, you know, the eu and the united states really trying to convince china it would not be in anybody's best interest and i think president biden's trip to kyiv was a monument of courage and timeliness and not just a symbol, but an absolute
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declaration that we, as leaders of the free world, are here to support you in your fight. that was a really important visit. >> yeah. it was such a moment for his presidency. >> and not for his presidency. for the prosecution of this war and for what it says if in the battle of democracy against autocracy. >> yeah. that's the thing. i think we will also hear from president biden speaking a few hours from now. >> i love stow you and chrrist there. >> i bow down to her. she has been an inspiration my whole life. stand by. there is a lot more to come there. fred though, and whether or not he is hearing reaction. we haven't heard biden say anything yet, but there is a speech coming and certainly we've heard quite a bit from the kremlin already. >> we certainly have. i agree with everything that
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christiane amanpour says. you are right. a lot of strong words from vladimir putin today. i think the key thing that he was trying to do is he was trying to point out from the russian perspective. inevitability of the war that is going on in ukraine and also of course trying to frame this as a conflict between russia and the west specifically russia and the leader of the west, russia and the united states. i want to listen into a little bit more of what putin had to say. >> translator: the west does not conceal their ambitions, which is to strategically defeat russia. what does that mean? it means to finish us off once and for all and to make local, they do that by making local conflicts into much wider and bigger ones. >> reporter: so, yeah, vladimir putin saying he believes all this is a conspiracy by the west
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against russia that they had to take action. that was something that he specifically said. he also, you know, sort of tried to say that the authorities in kyiv are not legitimate, believing they are alien to the actual people in ukraine. some of that might sound awkward to people internationally, but there are a lot of folks in russia who believe that. i think it's important for the viewers to understand we have actually spoken to top russian pollster here and he said 80% of the people in russia support vladimir putin and a large part of the people at least are not negative to the special military operation. obviously, intermountain region meaning the war in ukraine. some of the things that we hear from vladimir putin a lot of folks are buying them here in ruhr. that's very important to know, especially when we look moving forward. russians are saying they are in for the long run and not willing to back down, guys. >> thank you, fred.
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>> kaitlin. >> we were talking about the idea that president biden is meeting behind closed doors with president duda. we will see them any moment now. we will see if they offer any comments. >> this is their second meeting in less than a year. it's remarkable to see how that relationship has changed and how poland is viewed. >> poland is right on the coal face of this conflict. it's on the border. and what has happened this last 12 months is that these east european states plus the baltic states, or former warsaw pack states, have come into their own. they are the ones who are pushing the bwest and the unite states to do as much as they can. why? they are the ones who are going to be rolled over next. nobody really thinks that's going to happen anymore, but it was a possibility at the begin. with putin bitten off apparently more than he can chew right now, it's unlikely that he will try-. but he might. the united states habs proved that no matter how much it gets
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from east europe now, it is the west that is the strongest, that has the most power, that is still in charge of this transatlantic security architecture. >> yeah, and to see how poland boosted its defense spends also alone and what they are buying from south korea. we are getting live images also this morning just moments from now president biden, president duda meeting inside the presidential palace there. you can see the two delegations, this is an expanded bilateral meeting between the two of them. that means poboth of their top advisor will be accompanying them in this meeting. as the white house has talked about what this relationship has looked like. we'll listen in. >> translator: on behalf of myself and the polish society and all those present in our country, all the guests, all of our friends and neighbors from ukraine, i would like to thank
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you for yesterday's visit to kyiv. it was spectacular indeed. and very strategic and very political move. very crucial indeed. that was a political signal. especially for ukraine of course to a large extent. it has boosted the morale i'm convinced about that, and all those who today decide about the defense of ukraine like my president president zoe lelensk and his team. but that was also an extra order gesture shown to our allies within nato and generally people standing on the side of the free world and the entire global public opinion. also it was a signal to those who violate international roles who invaded a sovereign and independent state that is ukraine who are bombing houses,
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who are destroying the infrastructure which is used by people for their everyday lives. i am thinking here fortunately about our european neighbors, russian, russian authorities, power play who almost one year ago decided to attack a free independent and sovereign country. on a full scale. he scare eid out a full-scale attack. the first attack was carried out in 2014, as a matter of fact. however, after eight years vladimir putin decided to attack ukraine on a full scale causing a tragedy and a catastrophe for millions of the inhabitants of ukraine and causing a huge crisis both a crisis of security and economic cry ace sul over the world and also a humanitarian crisis. and thus, he doomed millions of people to tragic fate. people had to flee from their
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country from bombs, murders, rapes, from murders, from horrible brutal and beastial treatment from russian soldiers unfortunately. so having said that, thank you once again for your visit yesterday, mr. president, because that was a significant sign for all those people, the sign that a free world has not forgotten them, a free world and the biggest leader, the president of the united states stands by them. i know that perfectly well, mr. president. i know how much courage it requires. thank you very much for that. i imagine it was not easy, especially for those who are responsible for your security, sir. so please pass my gratitude to them from me. they are standing somewhere in the background. still that was hard work. thank you, mr. president for that decision. we are delighted to host you in poland. this is also a crucially important sign of us, sign of security. tomorrow we will meet with our
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allies from the eastern flank of nato because to all of us this video is symbolic to our region. we are saying it not only as a visit paid here in poland, it is a visit to our region combined with a visit to kyiv. it sends a powerful message of responsibility which the united states of america carries constantly the responsibility for the security of europe and the world. the united states which has demonstrated on multiple occasions its responsibility for european matters during the first world war, during the second world war, during the cold war, every single time they restored the democratic rules every time the united states brought back freedom. people were able to restore their freedom, sometimes after the tens of years as in poland in 1989. thanks to the movement of solidarity of course here in poland, thanks to that determination of the people,
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thanks to the influence exerted by john paul ii, this was brought about thanks to decisive american policy conducted by the u.s. authorities, by president ronald reagan and at last the empire collapsed, berlin wall collapsed and we regained our freedom. all of us are looking at what you did yesterday and we believe that america is able to maintain the global order, to guard the global order and to show all the aggressors who want to destroy other people's lives, who want to take control of other countries, who want to enslave other nations, it shows that there is no acceptance of the democratic community represented by the united states of america to such behavior, to such acts. thank you for that from the bottom of my heart. as i said, it sends a very bold
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signal to ask the polish people, your presence is important from the presence of the security. we are delighted you will give your speech, mr. president, here in poland. we are delighted that this message will be sent from here of you, sir, a message addressing the whole world because i am sure that the whole world is going to follow inyour speech. thank you for this decision. we are very glad with it. on the one hand it proves how force it is important for the united states, how our part of europe is important from the united states and also to us. it is to a certain aextent confirmation we are going the right thing. the actions which we have been taking, ukraine, supporting ukraine, by send is weapons to ukraine birx helping ukrainians, by supporting them in all different ways, it is proof this is the right path, it is a proof that we are supporting in this
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respect by the united states chts we try to give the support to our neighbors and we are trying to be not only the ones who are -- who have the security guaranteed by the united states and nato but try to be the ones who are providing the security to other states, the baltic states, where we are part of our mission, providing the securities to allies from romania, where polish soldiers are deployed as part of american contingent and latvia as well and our tanks are guarding the security of latvia. we are trying to demonstrate allied solidarity. i am morgreat. mr. president, thank you for paying a visit here in poland because i believe that polish people see it as an appreciation of the contribution that we have made in the construction of the security in our part of europe. and we are delighted to be able to host you here today, mr. president. this also is a powerful signal
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to the global and american investors, your presence, sir, that it proves that poland is safe and secure. it is a country you can safely come from the other side of the globe, these distances not seem to be that much. some people may think this is a dangerous place, but poland is safe and secure thanks to the presence of the u.s. armed forces, thanks to the presence of nato troops and also thanks to our efforts to bring forth poland security, poland's defense capability. we are implementing that and we are happen, mr. president, your presence here is a visible sign of this presence. recently we were talking to our allies in europe. i did it during my meetings which i had in london and also at the munich security conference. i was saying that these developments and this unique
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role which is being played through you, sir, by the united states, shows in a clear way that transatlantic bond is of key importance to europe. we are here together with the polish prime minister attending this meeting. the polish prime minister, the head of the government, and by this sanction he has in his hands the responsibility for the parliamentary today in 2025 poland will take over the presidents in the european union. so we want and we will pass a special resolution in may this year. we like this resolution marks the anniversary of our presence in the european. we would like our presidency to be conducted under the moto of tightening transatlantic bond, what more america and europe a stronger bond in the european union and the united states more cooperation between the european union and the united states and in economic matters, security related matters, all which is so important to us. this difficult time which we are experiencing in europe right now
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and this extraordinary role played by the united states is an absolute demonstration of the fact that this of key importance to the security and to the future development of our continent. we in poland have made a lot of experiences over the last centuries in our history and especially over the last 100 years history have no doubt about that. so, mr. president, once again, we are delighted and warm welcome to you, sir. >> welcome. and any excuse to come back to poland i take advantage of. the welcome has always been extremely generous and i appreciate it. so thank you for inviting me back to warsaw at this critical moment. you know, you mentioned john palm. i think i told you the story when i was a young senator i wrote a report and i had a very senior staff member on the foreign relations committee who was -- and that was a committee that next youngest person on
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that committee was 32 years older than me. and i came back from europe and i wrote a report saying that poland would be free within a matter of a year. and my chief of staff said, please don't write that, because you are going to look foolish. and i got a phone call from john paul asking would i meet with him. and as a practicing catholic, i joked with him he was more conservative than my views were. and i went to see him and we finished the conversation it was all about poland. he never mentioned anything about catholicism. it's a true story. and we are walking from one end in the papal library to about as wide and long as this room, a simple desk at one end, nothing much else. and as we -- he said would you like a photograph? i said, sure, your holiness.
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i'd like one. and we are walking from the desk to the other end, having a photograph, and he put his hand and he said, senator, remember today i spoke to you as a pole, a proud pole, not as your pope. as a pole. so i realize the power of poland all across the -- look, all kidding aside, that happens to be a true story. i was here last year. we visited the base where polish and american troops are and standing side by side, showing our strength and determination. the truth of the matter is, the united states needs poland and nato as much as nato needs the united states because there is no way in which for our ability to operate anywhere else in the world and our responsibilities extend beyond europe, we have to have security in europe. it's that basic. that simple. that consequential the.
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it's the single most consequential alliance in ha history. and so i made it clear that comments of the united states and our allies as part of the commitment is real and that a year later i would argue nato is stronger than its ever been. as i told president zelenskyy when we spoke in kyiv yesterday, i can proudly say that our support for ukraine remains unwavering. as i told russian counterpart, well, a while now, i said you are seeking the -- you are going to get the natoization of finland. turns out, i didn't know sweden was come ing along as well. all sid kidding aside, if we keep our head and are focused we are in a better position than.
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i thank you, president, for how poland has supported ukraine. it's been extraordinary, mr. prime minister and mr. -- what you have done, truly extraordinary. last year when i was here watching people come across the border and the feeling that those little children, the looks on their faces, those mothers left behind, husbands and fathers, it was just incredible the way you bumd -- there was 1.6, 1.7 million ukrainians you have welcomed. you know, and we reaffirmed our ironclad commitment to nato's collective security, including guaranteeing that the command headquarters for our forces in europe are going to be in poland, period. and we are also launching a new strategic partnership with plans to build nuclear pow enplants and boast poland's energy security for generations to come.
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and mr. president, the connection between poland and -- polish and american people is extremely strong and deep. i was kidding with the president. i was as a young man, i was born in a coal town of scranton, pennsylvania, northeastern, pennsylvania, in an wrish catholic in addition. when coal died we moved to clay month, delaware, which was a working class town, and but everyone in town was either polish or italian. i grew up feeling self-conscious my name discontinued end in s-k-i or an "o." but the overwhelming pride that polish americans feel about poland and the role you are plagues now. we were talking about it.
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ex ex ex trem. you should come and see it. and so there is a lot of challenges that we have to face. but i am confident we can do to together and develop our partnership even fourth as we meet the challenges we are about to face. i am, obviously, confident in that. so it's a delight to be back and i'm anxious to get our discussion going. although the president and i solved all the problems in the other room a moment ago. there is nothing to solve. all kidding aside, there is a critical, critical, critical, critical relationship for the united states and we thank you for all of the cooperation and help . >> he is answering questions there from reporters as he was having a fascinating exchange
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with polish president duda. not something you thought you would see two years ago speak the way that russia's invasion of ukraine has changed this. president duda heaping praise on president biden and the united states invoking world war i, world war ii, the cold war to put this conflict right now happening, this war in ukraine into perspective and saying he believed america would be able to help and was critical to maintaining the global order. quite a moment there. we will continue to monitor this meeting between president biden and president duda. we are also going to hear from the state department spokesman ned price after putin said earlier today they were suspending russia's cooperation in a key nuke arms treaty. we'll be right back.
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meets with accomplish president duda following president biden's surprise visit to kyiv yesterday and doubling ounce on russian's invasion in the state. secretary of state antony blinken responded to putin's speech saying russia's decision to suspend participation in inspections as part of the new start treaty is, quote, deeply unfortunate and irresponsible. joining us is ned price. thanks for waiting us to get through the two presidents there. appreciate it. >> happy do it. >> let's start with vladimir putin is saying because the secretary of state's response is that's really unfortunate, but in his response secretary blinken said essentially, however, we will talk to russia about this at any time regardless of what is happening on the world stage, regardless of the invasion of ukraine, indicating how important it is to maintain this. what does that mean? what do you expect to see happen here? >> well, as the secretary said it's unfortunate. more importantly, it's
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irresponsible. it's irresponsible because as nuclear powers, we have a responsibility to our own people, but also to people around the world to engage in strategic stability, arms control talks, to engage in precisely the practices that since the dawn of the nuclear age prevented a nuclear exchange between nuclear powers. the fact that russia is stepping back from this deal, it's irresponsible. we have seen irresponsibility in this realm over the past year from the russians. we will have to see about the impacts and it's unclear if there will be any practical impacts. i say that because earlier this year we deemed publicly that russia was in technical non-compliance with the new start treaty because russia has for some time refused to meet with us to, on this. we will watch very carefully to see what, if any, practical steps russia takes. we haven't seen any reason to
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change our strategic posture just yet. this is something we monitor every day. to the secretary's point, we have proved time and again that in times of tension, in times of extreme tension with a country like russia, we are ready, willing and able to do what is responsible for our people and around the wurld. strategic stability is one of those. we have been calling on russia to meet with us so we can conduct these inspections, ensure that russia is in compliance. we will have to see what russia chooses to do next. >> given the fact that the u.s. had deemed recently that russia was not in compliance with new start, is it the state department's position, the administration's position that this announcement by putin today makes the world more dangerous or not? >> well, it's an unfortunate proclamation from president putin. it certainly doesn't help global stability. we will have to see what, if any, steps he takes next.
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it's just a proclamation, just for propaganda are purposes, he wanted a sound bite out of otherwise a pretty empty state of the nation address, 90 minutes he gave to his people, that's one thing. if russia decides to take steps to move in the direction to hielten the irrizarry responsibility we have seen from the russian federation with nuclear saber-rattling, that's very much another. >> i have a quick question for you. i know that there was communication between the biden administration and putin or at least his folks saying that they are going into ukraine. can you give us some sense of how that happened? i'm curious how that happened. and if you think it's still possible to have some kind of dialogue with president putin. >> well, two points here. one is broader. one is more narrow. the broader point is we have lines of communication with the
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russians. we believe and the necessity of maintaining lines of communication even when we are in a state of leelations like now. we have an embassy in moscow. the russians have a embassy here. secretary blinken speaks to his counterpart foreign minister lavrov, secretary austin at dod, harimann milley the same, jake sullivan has done the same. we are acting responsibly and part of what responsible powers do is maintain the ability to communicate with one another. the narrow part, yes, we gave the russians notification that president biden would be transiting into ukraine. he didn't want any miscalculation. we didn't want any mistake on their part. it was really a notification. it wasn't a dialogue. you heard from the national security advisor there wasn't much of an exchange. we told the russians in a matter of fact way this would be happening. they acknowledged reset. that was it. >> i want to follow up with you. you said the word nuclear which
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gives -- puts shivers down my spine when you consider the possibility of nuclear war in 2023 or beyond. can you give me a sense of what kind of preparation happens if you do think that there is any possibility that a nuclear arms, either race or nuclear arms could be used in this conflict? >> well, i don't want to get ahead of where we are. there have been times in the course of this conflict we have had heightened concerns about what the russians might be planning. we use those open channels of communication to warn, dis discreetly, warn without any ambiguity or mistaking on their part the consequences that would rise from any nuclear use. we did that. countries around the world did that. we engaged from this building, from other buildings as well with partners but also countries with woman we have a sometimes
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complicated even adversarial relationship to encourage them to use the power of their voice privately and publicly with the russians to reinforce the message that the use of nuclear weapons would bring unimaginable consequences for the russians. let me go back to one other point that took place earlier last year. the russians in the course of their build -up on the border with ukraine signed on to a statement at the u.n. security council that reaffirms a maxim that has been around since the cold war. namely, that a nuclear war must never be fought and can never be won. that is something that we still believe in profoundly. it was something that the russians in recent months have reaffirmed themselves. we call on the russians to make good on cesae with that nuclear saber rat lipgs and responsibly as they engage in
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this brutal war of aggression against the ukrainian people. >> ned price, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> kaitlin. >> notable to hear that. the first reaction beyond what secretary of state antony blinken said about these remarks from president putin. president biden is set to deliver his own speech today at the royal palace garden in warsaw. we are going to talk to the mayor of warsaw about the impact this invasion has had on his city and poland overall. that's next. don't just connect y your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. (woman) what would the ideal weight loss prograram look lik? no hunger, no cravings, no isolation, more energy, lasting results, and easy. is that possible? it is with golo. these people chaed their lives with golo without starvation dieting. whether u have 100 pounds to lose
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president biden set to speak there in just a few moments from now at the royal castle here in warsaw, poland. it's the same place he gave that impassioned plea last year shortly after russia invaded ukraine. >> ukraine will never be a victory for russia for these people refuse to live in a world of hopelessness and darkness. we will have a different future, a brighter future, rooted in dem tracy and principle, hope and light, decency, dignity, freedom and possibilities.
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>> joining us now is the mayor of warsaw who is -- what a moment you've been living through. you are the mayor of warsaw, you've now had a presidential visit from the u.s. twice in less than a year. he didn't go to berlin, didn't go to london, didn't go to paris. what does it mean that he's here in warsaw to give this speech? >> it's incredible, of course, the times are very difficult but it's important that the president of the united states is in poland again because it means that we are safe because with him he brings those guarantees of security. and, of course, it is immensely important for us that he was in kyiv, that he showed so much courage and that the united states of america is ready to help. >> and we heard from president putin this morning giving that lengthy speech. overall it seemed to signal that he doesn't believe this war in ukraine is anywhere close to being over. what was your take away? >> well, unfortunately it seems that putin wants to escalate, that he doesn't have a plan b. he miscalculated on so many different fronts. he thought that ukrainians will not defend their country, he
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thought that we could be divided and he just was wrong on both of these counts. >> one thing has been about what the west is sending to ukraine, that was a major theme of his speech today, one point has been the f-16s. the u.s. is saying they are not going to train ukrainian fighter pilots on the f-16,yet. do you think that's a mistake? do you think they should do so in case they decide to send them? >> it's complicated but the most important thing is every taboo has been broken. i remember these conversations a year ago, many people were saying we shouldn't be sending heavy weapons, we shouldn't be tending tanks and it turned out that america and other european allies decided to actually help ukraine because ukrainians are fighting for our security so we need to help them as much as we can. >> when you say our security, this war is on your doorstep. what does that feel like? >> well, i mean, poland is safe, i mean, you see warsaw just behind me, nothing changes. of course, today everything is blocked because of the presidential visit, but life goes on. thanks to president biden and the american administration we
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feel safe, thanks to ourselves as well, but thanks to the ukrainians who are fighting for the stability of the transatlantic alliance, fighting for our values. i mean, we talk about democracy, the rule of law all the time. these guys are actually giving their lives for those values. >> what you seem to be saying is that instead of debating over sending certain weaponry, longer range missiles, planes to ukraine they should go ahead and send it? >> we should be helping ukraine as much as we can. of course the americans are doing it, pols are doing it, but many of our friends in western europe were dragging our feet. we better keep the pressure up. we need to help those guys n warsaw we are helping refugees and women and children. many ukrainians tell us we can fight because you are doing your best. you are informing, we're helping refugees, other people are sending weapons because we all have a dog in this fight because every dictator, every crazy dictator in the world is watching, whether the west can be united, whether we can be strong and whether we can deliver.
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>> we are a year into this war and poland saw the most refugees out of anyone, a lot of them came through poland, went to other places but many still live here, over a million in poland, hundreds of thousands still live in your city. what is the impact of that a year in? >> it has been really amazing this show of solidarity. you don't see any people on the street, you don't see any camps for refugees because they are with us, with friends, with family, so on and so forth. i'm absolutely certain that we will get enriched by all of that. there is a silver lining on that cloud because warsaw was one of the most diverse cities in between the wars and of course after the second world war it was changed. now we welcome these ukrainians here for a while, maybe for longer, and we feel enriched. >> one thing we've seen polish president duda call for, is a bigger american presence a more permanent presence here. are there indications you think that is actually going to happen? >> we hope so, there is american
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presence on the ground and of course president biden said every inch of nato territory will be defended. it first of all makes us feel more secure but also sends a very strong signal to the russians that they shouldn't move any further and that, by the way, they should start moving out of ukraine because the west will be together, will be strong, next batch of sanctions are being prepared. so that's exactly the signal that we should be sending and those are the words that i'm waiting for that president biden will deliver in a few hours. >> how long do you think it could go on for? >> it's very, very difficult to say, but that's why we need to help the ukrainians because they are bleeding every day and, as i've said, you know, this is also our war. some people think this is a war somewhere in the east, but this is a war for our values, for the stability of our institutions, for our community. as i've said, everyone is watching, whether we can deliver, whether we can be strong. people thought the west will keep on deliberating and so on and so forth. we showed that we can do it together and we should simply
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continue doing it. >> mayor, thank you so much for joining us here. thank you for hosting us in your city. >> pleasure. come to warsaw. >> we appreciate your time this morning. we have now been to warsaw twice in a year now. interesting perspective from a city that has really felt the impact of this invasion. >> kaitlan, thank you so much. thank you for being there. it's really been quite remarkable and great to have you on the ground there as well. >> yeah, kaitlan, your coverage has been extraordinary, we will keep watching you through the day as we get ready for the president to speak in a few hours. we will see you back here tomorrow. sara, thank you for being by my side. >> it's been my pleasure. i didn't like getting up that early. >> i know. >> but because you were here, it made it all right. >> thank you. and don will be back with us tomorrow as well. kaitlan will join us live from poland. "cnn newsroom" is after this.
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very good tuesday morning to you, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm kristin fisher. soon president biden will be speaking from warsaw, poland, just one day after his unprecedented trip to ukraine's capital. the president of course expected to reiterate

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