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good afternoon. i am kasie hunt here in washington. we begin with the deadly michigan state shooting. at this hour students and staff along with an fbi escort are able to return to the site of the rampage to gather their belongings. this as the heartbroken campus prepares to hold a vigil for three students. 20-year-old ryan frazier is being remembered for his great leadership and humor. ariel anderson was 19 years old. she was known for her straight as and pure heart. people who knew 20-year-old alexandra verner, said her kindness was on display every single second you were around her. cnn's adrienne broaddus is in east lansing of the we're now learning a little more about one of the survivors. >> reporter: we are. we're talking about one of the five who was critically injured.
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that's guadalupe perez. she has been identified by her sister. the school has said it will not identify out of respect for the families the five who were physically injured. i want to share with our viewers who we learned about guadalupe while we share these beautiful photos her family shared. she is a hospitality business junior here at msu. her family calls her a leader in the community and beyond. they say she's hard working, focused and ambitious. one thing they wanted folks to know is that she selected a career path no one else in her family explored. while they are happy guadalupe survived, the family members posting on a gofundme account said they are devastated and said there is a long road of recovery ahead for her. meanwhile in under six hours people will hold vigil out here
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under the spartan statue which is known in this community and beyond as a symbol of strength. not only honoring the three whose lives ended on monday night but recognizing the victims who were physically injured as well as thousands of others who are dealing with emotional grief and trauma after surviving this mass shooting, kasie. >> and what is the latest from the police right now on the investigation into this? >> reporter: we haven't heard from police today. they did let us know they will have an update for us tomorrow. but the question still remains why did this happen? investigators have said the 43-year-old had no ties to msu. they did say inside of his pocket they found a note threatening something else to happen at two other schools. not here, but at least ten hours away in new jersey. investigators say that 43-year-old shooter did have ties to new jersey.
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>> adrienne broaddus in east lansing, thanks very much for that report. we'll turn now to politics and a presidential field that has doubled in size today. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and former south carolina governor nikki haley just wrapped up her first campaign rally. she is donald trump's sole gop challenger for now. here's a little bit of her pitch. >> we're ready. ready to move past the stale ideas and faded names of the past, and we are more than ready for a new generation to lead us into the future. >> faded names. is that perhaps a pointed reference to her former boss? that is someone she has yet to actually call out by name in this new campaign. so far she has pretty carefully tiptoed around the subject of donald trump and their complicated journey from allies to rivals. kylie atwood is on the scene in
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charleston, south carolina. kylie, what did you hear today? >> reporter: well, listen, nikki haley clearly making the case that she is the future of the republican party, saying that she, and she believes the republican party, are ready to move on past the stale ideas and faded names of the past, asking folks in this room to trust her and trust the new generation. it's worth noting as she makes that generational argument that she's 51 years old. both president biden and president trump are older than 75 years old. listen to what she said to voters in the room here in south carolina today. >> today our enemies think that the american era has passed. they're wrong. america is not past our prime, it's just that our politicians are past theirs. we'll have term limits for congress. and mandatory mental competency
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tests for politicians over 75 years old. >> reporter: she also spoke about who she is, growing up as she said a proud daughter of indian immigrants. they were the only indian family in a small town here. she said there were challenges with that, but she extrapolated on the fact that she is a woman of color. she said very clearly that she believes america is not racist. sort of leaning into some of those culture wars that we have seen the republican party latch onto. she said that way of thinking is more dangerous than a virus like the pandemic. she's very clearly giving something there to the base, to the republican base. she spoke about generally speaking leadership failing the american people and laid out her vision for what america should look like. an america where children are no longer prohibited from going to
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school by politicians. she talked about being strong, not being weak and woke, securing america's borders, making sure that policing is up. and those are all things that she's clearly making the case to try to appeal to a broad spectrum of rips because she noted as she did in a video out yesterday the republicans have lost the popular vote in seven out of the eight last presidential races. she says that's because they have failed to capture the majority of republican support. she said that is all about to change. kasie. >> all right, kylie atwood, thank you very much for that report. really appreciate it. for more on this, we are joined by former gop congressman, adam kinzinger and s.e. cupp. i can't think of two better people to have this conversation with. congressman, let me start with you. nikki haley as a candidate, she is running against donald trump.
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she has all of these sort of subtle digs at him. you have been very outspoken in how you feel and what you believe about him as a danger to the party. what is your assessment of how she is trying to walk this careful line? >> well, look, just putting on the analysis hat, i think she's probably doing the best she can given her set of circumstances. i think tactically it was pretty smart for her to come out right away because she can take up a little bit of the oxygen. if trump fades away, she claims she was the first one with the courage to take him on. the truth is, though, i think a lot of people understand she's trying to run for a vice presidential slot. i think in her mind it's vice president she's going for. personally now, i have a complete lack of respect really for anybody that is unwilling to tell the truth to the american people and to their party. but from a tactical perspective, she's doing the right thing because if you tell the truth
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like i did, you're probably not going to win the nomination. >> that is a fair self-assessment, congressman. i appreciate your honesty. s.e., let me ask you, i want to read you some quotes from politico. she sat down with reporter tim alberta for this lengthy profile. he talked to her right after january 6th when she said, quote, he, meaning donald trump, is not going to run for federal office again. but what if shehe does, can the republican party heal with trump in the picture. and she says, quote, i don't think he's going to be in the picture. i don't think he can, he has fallen so far. so that is what nikki haley said right after january 6. now she got the message pretty quick and completely changed her tune and said she wasn't going to run if trump was running. here we are today, she's running even though trump is running. this seems pretty messy. how is this a straightforward
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argument as she enters this race? >> no, her messaging over the past few years has been very cont contradictory, not just about trump but about january 6th, about wokism, about confederate flags. she's going to have to reconcile sort of the messiness of her positions when she's challenged for the first time by an ag aggressive press, a national press now that she'll be on the national stage. she'll have to explain why being generationally new is actually new in terms of policy. because to me she sounded a lot like trumpism just with bigger words and a little less anger. so is the generation the only new part? and you're going to bring a lot of trumpism with you? the anti-wokism, some of the
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anti-immigrant stuff that he did? or are you going to really bring new policies that address a new generation of republicans and a new generation of voters that might be disaffected and disillusioned with both parties? we'll have to see what she prepares to do. >> it's fair points all. congressman, let me show you, i think we can also play a little bit of how she's tried to go back and forth on trump, mostly on him as a person and less on the policy. but take a look. >> donald trump is everything i taught my children not to do in kindergarten. i taught my two little ones, you don't lie and make things up. >> what about history, did you think he was a truthful person? >> yes. in every instance i dealt with him, he was truthful, he listened and was great to work with. >> still has a lot of popularity. if he runs again in 2024, will you support him? >> yes. >> if he decides to run would that preclude any run you would
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want to make yourself? >> i would not run if president trump ran. >> to s.e.'s point, congressman, how does she answer tough questions like this? does she try to avoid them for the next six or eight months? how would you answer those if it came from your mouth? >> she can't answer those questions. anybody that runs against her or runs in the primary will have the same questions they can't answer of the either mutual assured destruction or we don't need to touch it. so many people with the exception of trump himself and maybe to an extent desantis, so many people have tried to walk a line and see where the wind is blowing. after january 6th, they were all against it. then when the wind is with donald trump, we're all for him again. i don't think nikki haley can explain that away. i think what she can do is try to bring kind of new ideas, as s.e. was saying. you didn't hear a lot in this
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speech. she does have a traditional foreign policy view for republicans 2015 and prior. she can start to implement that into the conversation. i think she can play a decent role in discussion when it comes to this primary. but man, i've got to tell you, i have a really hard time seeing how she justifies being for and against trump based on where the wind is blowing. >> yeah, that's fair. s.e., let me follow up on the congressman's point about foreign policy because we're actually already seeing former president trump and his team hit haley on some of these questions, talking about more americans' money going to ukraine, for example, if she's selected. where do you think that issue sits right now with the republican base? and how does that develop over the course of the primary where you have these more traditional conservatives who say absolutely we are going to ukraine to defend freedom and some of these, quote, unquote, maga republicans who say that it's a waste of money? >> well, yeah, this will defend
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on whose ear she has. does she have the marjorie taylor green wing of the party? is she going to play to that crowd, that fringy extremist element, or stand her ground and sound like the neocon that she probably is and talk about doing the right things in ukraine and not parroting putin. but this is the existential question for her campaign. she has the opportunity to run a really serious formidable tight campaign with real surrogates, real endorsements, real donors. she could do that and to do that she'd have to exclude some folks. or she could sort of open the floodgates and let any of the conspiracy theory wing of the party, the white nationalist wing of the party, let them all in like trump did because he believed he needed their votes. if she decides to let all those parasites in, i think it will
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tank pretty quickly because trump is really the only one that can succeed doing that. i think if she keeps her campaign clean, tight, serious, sticks to the things she knows, believes in and has experience with, i think she could run a pretty serious campaign. >> it's going to be a really interesting first test. after what we saw in 2016 with trump taking out one person after the other to see how people grapple with it and nikki haley is an interesting figure as the first person to make that attempt. s.e. cupp and adam kinzinger, thanks to both of you. i appreciate your insights. coming up, chaos in court. . they customize your car insurance. so you only pay for what you need! whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for w what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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>> we loved our kids! we never know in neighborhoods and take people out. >> cnn's omar jimenez joins me now. clearly an emotional scene for many of these people. what happened? >> reporter: yeah, look, we knew this was going to be an emotional sentencing hearing here in buffalo. obviously that was the extreme of it. emotions got the best of that person, who we're told is family of family of people who were speaking today. and these were all people who were related to or knew closely those that were killed in that buffalo shooting back in may of 2022. we are told from authorities there are no plans to charge him for what he did there. now, that said, it's part of what we had been hearing from so many people, again, in these
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victim impact statements. take a listen to another woman who lost a cousin and an aunt back in that shooting in may. >> i hope you spend the rest of your life every second, every minute, every hour, rehearsing the daunting sound of the screams and the echos of the lives you snuffed out. >> and in many of these, the relatives were looking directly at the shooter, really wanting him to feel the gravity of their words. now, he was eventually accept te sentenced to life in prison without parole for ten first-degree murder charges and domestic terrorism motivated by hate, which is the first time that was used. and later during the hearing, the shooter himself stood up and spoke. take a listen. >> i did a terrible thing that
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day. i shot and killed people because they were black. looking back now, i can't believe i actually did it. i believed what i read online and acted out of hate and now i can't take it back, but i wish i could. i don't want anyone to be inspired by me and what i did. >> after he finished, a woman yelled out in the back "he doesn't mean it." she didn't think that he meant those words. the death penalty at the federal level is still something that's being considered. we haven't gotten a decision yet from attorney general merrick garland. obviously all of these things, everything that happened today is likely going into that consideration. of note, the shooter's team said that he would plead guilty to his federal charges if it meant the death penalty was taken off the table but that's a proceeding for a later time. for now, these families are left
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trying to process what happened all over again, kasie. >> omar jimenez, thanks very much for your reporting today. we appreciate it. now let's go to this. a potential blow for prosecutors in the double murder trial of alex murdaugh. the judge is barring any testimony related to murdaugh's alleged suicide-for-hire insurance fraud scheme. in 2021 he allegedly hired a man to kill him so that his son could receive a $10 million life insurance payout. cnn's randi kaye is outside the courthouse in south carolina. can you break this down for us? >> reporter: sure. what a day here in court already. we've just been watching this video, the third interview that alex murdaugh did with lead s.l.e.d. agent david owewon. this was done in august of 2021, just a few months after the murders. during this interview which is quite tense and contentious at
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times, alex murdaugh is crying at times. he does get to ask his own questions about the investigation as well. there was a key moment when the investigator asked him about why he was wearing different clothing late at night after he called 911 after the murders than he had been wearing earlier in the night on a snapchat video sent by his son, paul. watch this. >> when i met you that night, you were in shorts and a t-shirt. at what point in the evening did you change clothes? >> i'm not sure. >> before dinner or after dinner. >> no, it would have been -- what time of day was that? i would have thought i had already changed. >> that would have been 7:30, 8:00. >> i guess i changed when i got back to the house. >> reporter: now, the prosecution has alleged that
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alex murdaugh killed his family and then showered and changed clothes after doing so. after couple of key moments, he did say that his wife, maggie wanted to come to the hunting property but her sister testified that alex murdaugh asked her to come to the hunting property. he was asked how long he was at his mother's house the night of the murders. he said he was there 45 minutes to an hour. the caregiver said 15 to 20 minutes. he was asked at least four times if he had been down to the place where the murders took place, the dog kennels, earlier in the night. he said no. we know at least six people have identified his voice on a video recording that was found on paul murdaugh's phone. that was at 8:44 p.m. which would have put him there around the time of the murders. he got to ask a couple of questions. he asked was this one person, two persons or three people that did this? he also asked who was shot
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first? did they live at all after they were shot? did they know if the other one had been shot? so he did ask some key questions to the investigator. but another moment is when the investigator told him they were sure that a family gun had been used. alex murdaugh, kasie, had no reaction being told that for the very first time. back to you. >> randi kaye, thanks very much for that update. coming up next, nearly ten days after turkey's catastrophic earthquake, incredible rescues and stories of survival are still emerging from the rubble. and i just didn't feel well. but then i found clearchoice. [ forde ] replacining marcia's teeth with dental implants at clearchoice was going to afffford her that permanent s solution. [ marcia ] clearchoice dental implants gave me the ability to take on the world. i feel so much better, and i think that that is the key. when it comes to reducing sugar in your family's diet,
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in earthquake-ravaged turkey, miraculous rescues are still happening. just hours ago this woman and her two children were pulled out of the rubble. this after nine and a half days. the woman asking what day is it? and asking for water when she was freed. a man who survived 187 hours being trapped is now describing the desperate lengths that he took to stay alive, saying at one point he drank his own urine. and on a naval ship, another quake survivor has just brought new life into the world. the father saying his healthy baby girl brings happiness in difficult days. across the region the staggering death toll is now over 41,000.
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>> reporter: the city is one of the hardest hit by the massive earthquake. here it's almost impossible to find a building that hasn't been impacted by the quake. entire neighborhoods flattened. buildings, businesses, homes, reduced to piles and piles of rubble. the turkish presidenearthquake bombs. people here say it is like a war zone. but no bombs went off here and in seconds a historic city was wiped. wherever you turn, there is something happening. it's the constant sound of diggers, heavy machinery on every street removing the rubble. police and emergency services are everywhere. you have ambulances screaming past. heavy military presence and families searching for and retrieving the bodies of their loved ones. you see people sleeping on the
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streets, tent cities for the displaced that are popping up everywhere. and with fires burning for people to keep warm, the smoke, dust and all kinds of fumes here make it so hard to breathe. one man telling us this is what the apocalypse would look like. >> thanks for that report. turkish officials today say there are more than 50,000 buildings that urgently need to be demolished. now to a disturbing report concerning russia's war on ukraine. the report finding that the russian government has been operating a large network of camps that have been holding thousands of ukrainian kids since the war began. cnn's claire sebastian has more. >> reporter: kasie, this report paints a picture of an effort coordinated at the top level of the russian government to use the very youngest ukrainians to
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further the aims of the war. ukraine has been alleging for months that thousands of children have been illegally deported to russia. even the alleged leader of these efforts, the russian commissioner for children's rights has already been sanctioned by the u.s., uk and eu. but this department from the state department backed conservator provides more detail to track the movement of children inside russia. the findings reveal at least 6,000 children ranging from a few months to 17 years have at some point since the start of the invasion been in russian custody. that number, though, could be much higher. and the report uncovered the presence of 43 facilities, mostly existing summer camps in russia, that are being used for the political re-education of these children ranging from cultural and patriotic to even military, including firearms training. two of the facilities were used
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to house orphans deported from ukraine and the report found evidence of some children being transferred from the camps into russian foster families. the u.s. state department condemning the findings. >> the report indicates how these abusive practices involve officials and other individuals at all levels of russia's government. putin seeks to rob ukraine of its future by taking its children. russia's system of forced relocation, re-education and adoption of ukraine's children is a key element of the kremlin's systematic efforts to deny and suppress ukraine's identity, its history and its culture. >> reporter: russia's embassy in washington call ned price's comments absurd, saying it has accepted children and their families fleeing atrocities committed by ukraine. it does its best to keep families together and ensures the protection of their lives and well-being. both the report and the state department warning that the evidence points to war crimes.
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>> claire sebastian, thanks for that. two sources tell cnn that president biden could deliver remarks this week about the chinese spy balloon and three other unidentified objects shot down by u.s. fighter jets over the last couple of weeks. meanwhile just about 90 minutes from now, senators are expected to get a classified briefing on china. lawmakers from both parties are voicing quite a bit of frustration their questions have not been adequately answered. natasha bertrand joins us now with more. natasha, good to see you. you have new reporting just into cnn on the path of the chinese spy balloon and how weather may have played into that. can you walk us through what we know now? >> reporter: we're learning that u.s. intelligence officials are now scrutinizing the possibility that this was just an accident. that the weather had essentially diverted this balloon off its original path towards the continental united states. so just to take a step back here, the u.s. was monitoring this balloon from the time that it actually took off from china.
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what had happened was it settled into a path that the u.s. believed would take the balloon potentially over guam, where it would monitor sensitive military installations. however, the balloon then took an unexpected path north towards alaska and then into canada and of course as we know down south into the lower 48 into the continental united states. now, originally the u.s. had said that this was intentional, that they believed that the chinese wanted to surveil sensitive military sites inside the united states. now it appears that they might be more seriously considering the possibility that strong winds diverted this balloon and it entering the u.s. was in fact an accident as china has asserted. now, it's important to note here that china did have some ability to maneuver this balloon and it did in fact when it entered the united states loiter over the sensitive sites in montana before actually exiting the united states going eastward and
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then being shot down of course off the coast of south carolina. so the u.s. still very adamant here that the balloon was being used to surveil potentially sensitive military sites. but now we are learning that this may in fact have been unintentional by the chinese and that is exactly what the u.s. intel community is trying to determine for sure. of course this could go a long way in easing tensions between washington and beijing. beijing has insisted from the beginning this was accidental. the u.s. still trying to determine that for sure, kasie. >> natasha bertrand, thanks for that reporting. coming up, donald trump's handling of classified documents. prosecutors now say there's evidence of a crime and they want a trump attorney to testify. we'll have details, ahead.
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good news for retailers is bad news for investors today. the dow is down. look at that, about 72 points right now, after news today that retail sales numbers rose 3% in january. this comes on the heels of rising consumer prices and a strong jobs report. it means the economy is not cooling off. vanessa is live in new york to break down the numbers for us. hey, vanessa. >> hey, kasie. so this is another economic report that is defying expectations. this is retail sales for the month of january, up 3%. and that is significant because retail sales fell by 0.1% in december. and the big numbers to keep in mind, that 3% in january and then up 6.4% year over year.
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and there's certain places that americans are still continuing to spend. one, restaurants up 7.2%. people still liking going out to eat, spending money there. auto sales up 6.4%. that's because there may be a lag in inventory and folks may be just getting the opportunity to spend and buy their car, but of course this is despite rising interest rates which affects car sales. also people shopping at department stores, up 17.5%. there's a couple of reasons why. good weather. believe it or not, good weather makes people want to go out and spend at restaurants, go shopping. also a strong labor market. people have jobs and wages are up. so they are comfortable at least spending what they feel like they can right now post holiday discounts. as i mentioned in december, retail sales dropped. people were maybe holding back on spending. now when you have all of these retailers offering deals, people
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are now spending in january. and this is a big one, new this year, social security payments to seniors up 8.7% starting in january. that's the largest increase on record and that affects spent million americans, 70 million seniors who feel like they may have a little extra cash in their wallet, kasie. >> all right, vanessa, thanks very much for running us through that. we really appreciate it. and federal prosecutors investigating donald trump's handling of classified documents have taken an aggressive new step. sources tell cnn that they're asking a court to force more testimony from his attorney, evan corcoran. prosecutors say trump used corcoran in planning a crime or a fraud, which could undermine the normal attorney/client privilege. let's bring in retired ambassador norm eisen, a cnn legal analyst, former white house ethics czar and was the white house special counsel during trump's first impeachment trial. always good to see you, mr.
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eisen. how big of an escalation is this? how significant is this request? >> kasie, it's a big escalation and a signal that trump's legal peril on holding those classified documents, even after the government asked for them back again and again is deepening. you know, the attorney/client privilege, myself as an attorney, is sacred. it's very rarely challenged in court or by prosecutors. but when an attorney, and this is the allegation the government is making about mr. corcoran, when an attorney is used by a client to facilitate or further a crime or a fraud, the privilege is blanked out. and that's what we are facing here. i think the government has a pretty good case that the privilege should be waived. >> so what are -- what will the stakes be for trump? what could they learn from corcoran that they don't know right now? >> well, we've already had a
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finding on these mar-a-lago documents of probable cause of multiple federal crimes, including obstruction of justice. that's because you have to have that in order to get a search warrant, which was executed and how over 100 additional classified documents were recovered from mar-a-lago. so what the prosecutors will try to learn from mr. corcoran and the court, i think, will order him to answer these kinds of questions are what conversations did you have with donald trump? what knowledge did he have about the documents? what did you know still existed on the premises when you helped prepare, as mr. corcoran did, a document talking about the classified documents having been already turned over. and what did donald trump know? so it allows prosecutors a very free hand to build this obstruction of justice case that donald trump was intentionally
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misleading the government about his continued possession of classified documents. >> got it, okay. let me ask you while i have you about something unrelated because this just in to cnn. a source tells us the justice department leadership has decided not to charge florida congressman matt gaetz in that sex trafficking probe. this comes after last year the investigators in the case had recommended against charges. your reaction? >> well, kasie, people often ask me how is it that donald trump has been accused of so many things and yet hasn't been prosecuted. prosecutions are hard and that is what the gaetz declining to prosecute shows. cnn has reported that the reason for this is problems with the witness testimony. now, one of mr. gaetz' associates, his friend, joel greenberg, has pleaded guilty, but greenberg is not a very good
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witness because of some of the issues he's had with the law. so prosecutors thought they couldn't make the case. that sometimes happens. talking about a case, writing about a case and actually charging a case, those are different things and that's what's happened here. >> important point. norm eisen, thank you very much, as always, sir. we really appreciate your time. >> thanks. a protest today against florida's governor and state school officials. new developments in the class controversy that's drawn national attention to the sunshine state, up next. your pu, at pnc private bank we will work with you every step of the way to help you achieve it. so let us focus on the how. just tell us - what's your why?
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protesters have converged on florida's capital. they are marching in tallahassee because florida rejected the advanced placement course on african american history studies. governor desantis' administration said the course lacks educational value. a ap curriculum is put together by the college board. the same board that organizes the s.a.t. they say the decision was politically motivated. residents of east palestinian, ohio could learn more about the safety of their air and water later today. this train derailment unleashed toxic chemicals there nearly two
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weeks ago. the state says tests show the air quality's okay, but the water could be another matter. here's why. this is what people are seeing in the water there. more than 3,000 fish have died according to state officials and residents tell cnn they're afraid to drink from the water supply. >> airwise, i feel okay. waterwise, no. i -- no. there's just too many chemicals. still don't want to identify completely. >> we pass all the creeks and there's crew after crew with white hoses and black hoses. they're not tell us why. this is daily. i'm driving my children to school past this and they're asking me questions that i don't have answers to. >> ohio's governor spoke with cnn this morning. he is urging people to take precautions until the water test results are in. the governor says he's going to make sure the rail company, norfolk southern, cleans up the toxic mess.
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