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the world. this is "new day." it's friday, october 25th. it's 6:00 here in new york, and new this morning, what's the word i'm looking for? flurry, bevy? >> panoply. deluge. >> however you say that. how about crapton. there's a lot of news. >> no. >> you can't say that? i went too far? >> you went too far. >> there's a lot of developments breaking overnight in the impeachment inquiry. we learned there will be corroboration for some key elements of ambassador bill taylor's explosive tailor alleging there was a quid pro quo with ukraine. scheduled to speak with congress. we have new details on what he will say. he's a key player here. he was on the phone call between president trump and the president of ukraine now at the center of the impeachment investigation. also this morning, "the new york times" reports that the former national security adviser john
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bolton is in negotiations to testify. bolton has been described as alarmed by the alleged quid pro quo with ukraine which he described as a, quote, drug deal. also house democrats are formulating potential articles of impeachment. we will tell you how wide they will cast the net. >> that was a cornucopia. >> or a plethora. or that word i won't use. >> thank you. also attorney general bill barr's investigation into the origins of the 2016 trump russia investigation is now a criminal matter. that designation allows federal prosecutors to subpoena witnesses and file criminal charges. democratic chairman adam schiff and jerry nadler responding to this overnight saying that that raises profound concerns that the justice department has lost its independence and is being used for president trump's political revenge. but let's begin all of our coverage live on capitol hill.
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there's a lot happening. >> reporter: there certainly is. democrats are continuing to push forward in their rapidly growing impeachment hearing scheduling someone who was actually on the phone call between president trump and the ukraine president. and now new reports of another key testimony in the works. that of john bolton. for the first time, house democrats expecting an official from inside the white house to testify in the impeachment inquiry. tim morrison, a top russia and europe adviser on president trump's national security council who listened in on the july 25th call with ukraine's leader is scheduled to appear next week. sources telling cnn he's expected to corroborate key elements of top u.s. diplomat to ukraine bill taylor's testimony tuesday. >> bill taylor's testimony was devastating to the president. and bill taylor essentially laid
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out a quid pro quo between the trump administration and the president with the ukrainian leader. >> reporter: two sources telling cnn morrison will contend he didn't see anything wrong with what the trump administration did although one says there will be, quote, nuance. sources say republicans worry his testimony could fuel the democrats' push towards impeachment and they hope it will lack first hand knowledge of the president's actions. they are negotiating with attorneys for john bolton to be deposed in private. bolton reportedly shared concerns about rudy giuliani's involvement in u.s. foreign policy with ukraine. that's according to the president's former top russia adviser fiona hill's testimony last week. this as democrats consider the size and scope of articles of impeachment while trump's congressional allies continue to try to slow the investigation. >> i think if we were doing this, you'd be beating the [ bleep ] out of us.
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>> reporter: lindsey graham sprucing a resolution cosponsored by mitch mcconnell condemning the democrats' impeachment process. >> i'm not here to tell you donald trump's done nothing wrong. i'm not here to tell you anything other than that the way they're going about it is really dangerous for the country. >> reporter: meanwhile, the department of justice turning its probe into the origins of the trump russia investigation into a criminal inquiry. the move first reported by "the new york times" giving federal prosecutor john durham the ability to use subpoenas for testimonies going forward. and there are five key testimonies scheduled at this point for next week. that's in addition to a very rare saturday deposition that's scheduled to take place up here on capitol hill tomorrow. democrats are pushing to try to move from this behind the scenes phase of their inquiry to a more public phase. potentially holding public hearings as early as
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mid-november. >> thank you very much for all of that, sunlen. so witnesses testifying that john bolton was alarmed by the alleged quid pro quo with ukraine. now investigators want to hear from bolton himself. more on that story next. t it al. "have you lost weight?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. i know. (vo) go national. go like a pro. here hold this. follow that spud. [ tires screech ] the big idaho potato truck is touring america telling folks about idaho potatoes. and i want it back. what is it with you and that truck?
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sources tell cnn that a white house official is scheduled to testify next week. his name is tim morrison. and our reporting is -- or the reporting around it is he will corroborate bill taylor's testimony that directly implicates president trump in a quid pro quo with ukraine. but tim morrison will contend he did not see anything wrong with what the president did. so joining us now, bianna golodryga and john lockhart. okay so the reporting is that tim morrison, he's a top russia and europe adviser to president trump on the national security council. so let's just remind people of what bill taylor testified to. it was the same call. he went on to describe a conversation that ambassador sondland had with mr. yermak in
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warsaw. mr. yermak is a president zelensky aide. he told him the money would not come until president zelensky committed to pursue the burisma investigation. i was alarmed by what mr. morrison told me. this was the first time i had heard that the security assistance not just the white house meating was conditioned on the investigations. that seems to be the pivotal moment. tim morrison is obviously part of that moment. if he doesn't think there was anything wrong, it matters what congress and what the law thinks is wrong. >> and there were gasps in the room reportedly after taylor delivered his testimony. morrison replaced fiona hill as the president's top russia adviser. he came into this picture a bit later than bill taylor did who
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replaced yovanovitch. i will say regardless of how morrison felt about it, another vital person they want to hear from at some point and that is john bolton was the one who ultimately told bill taylor he should send a memo to his boss, secretary of state mike pompeo. there were enough people here concerned about the chain of events and how at least things appeared to be taking place. connect that to the fact we do know that zelensky and the ukrainians unlike what the president has been arguing were aware this was a quid pro quo. that they were being pushed to investigate the bidens and the origins of the 2016 election before they were given that money. so the fact that the administration or some are arguing that bill taylor's testimony should be questioned, i think is a bit rich. especially given his background and his experience in the job. this is something that he had been doing for decades and this
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is the first time he'd experienced something playing out the way it had. >> tim morrison is in a closer ring. who did he hear from that made him think there might be a quid pro quo if that's what he thought? and joe, this is a witness from inside the white house, inside the administration who our reporting will corroborate some key points. >> you're seeing the democrats' strategy play out here. first they wanted to establish what happened. and taylor told people in great detail what happened. now they want to find out, okay. what did the president know and when did he know it and how involved was he? so they're going closer to the oval office with morrison. they'll go even closer with bolton, i think, as bianna said. and that's what they want to establish before they take this public. that a lot of bad things happened and they can prove a direct connection to all of this being directed by the president. what's interesting about this, though, as opposed to previous,
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you know, white house scandals is there's no one in the white house who has said anything but the president told me to do it. so we know the punchline. but the democrats have to build this case. >> let's not exclude another key player mike pompeo. we also know from taylor's testimony that on august 29th he sent a memo as directed by john bolton to pompeo expressing his concern about the, quote, folly that he sees playing out. he said in his testimony that he knows that secretary of state pompeo received that memo. he didn't hear a response from him, but he was told the secretary of state walked into the oval office with that memo in hand. so what transpired, what did the secretary of state delay to the president of the united states. these are all questions that congress is going to want to get to the bottom of. >> i think you're right to say that morrison didn't see anything wrong with that. because i think republicans will press on that. >> yes.
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but again, i mean, it doesn't matter if you think that you're breaking the law. it matters what the law says. one of the things republicans often says is this is all hearsay. next week i think will be the first time that two people who were on that july 25th call, tim morrison was one of them. >> cooperman. >> he will be testifying. when you hear something with your own ears, that's not hearsay. >> that's the problem with the hearsay which is it begs people to bring in people who had it first hand and they will. and they always have had the plan to bring these people in and republicans knew it. so the arguments they make to get through monday hurt them on tuesday. and on and on. and one of the ironic things about them focusing on these process issues like hearsay and everything is on the other hand, they're doing everything to obstruct the investigation. they're preventing witnesses from complying with the subpoena. they are not giving the
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documents that congress has every right to see. but then arguing the process isn't fair. you know, you can't have it both ways but you sure can try and they are. >> one other thing about hearsay, people watch too much "matlock." because hearsay is part of many, most trials and is inadmissible in many fashions. >> and you're talking about those who are your eyes and ears overseas. we're supposed to be trusting a lot of these officials to conduct u.s. foreign policy overseas. so it's not just a matter of ukraine. what happens to diplomats from around the world now? >> not that you could ever watch too much "matlock". >> you stole my line. you can't. cnn has learned the justice department has opened a criminal investigation into the origin of its own russia probe. this is a significant development. any way you look at it and both sides look at it in different ways, this is big. we'll tell you what we know about it next.
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breaking overnight, cnn has learned that the justice department has opened a criminal investigation into the origins of the russia probe. the move it will now allow investigators to use subpoenas to compel witness testimony. the probe is being driven by attorney general bill barr's suspicion that some officials overseaing the initial investigations including the counterinvestigation to the campaign, his suspicion they may have acted improperly. back with us is bianna golodryga and elie honig.
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i just want nuts and bolts of what this changes, why something like this changes, and what it signifies. >> two big things in nuts and bolts. first, they would have the ability to empanel a grand jury. so now rather than relying on people to speak voluntarily, you can compel someone. you can force them. now you have to testify here's the subpoena. or you have to give them documents. it gives the ability to bring criminal charges. and to me, big picture, that's what's so worrisome. it escalates this from a politically driven waste of resources to something much more sinister. now you are weaponizing the department of justice and talking about potentially imprisoning law enforcement. >> what's the actual bar, the legal bar to make it a criminal investigation? >> you need what's called predication. which means you need a good faith piece of evidence or fact there could be a crime committed here. and i have a question.
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what is the predication here as a potential crime that was committed? >> well, they haven't presented that yet, obviously, to the public. but you're saying that they must have found something. >> yes. i mean, look. this is where sort of the good judgment and good faith of prosecutors comes into play. they should have found something, but there's no formal check on that. you don't have to fig out a piece of paper saying here's my predication. it's something that they should be doing behind the scenes. i question whether it was done here. >> i mean, look. i don't blame you for questioning what's happening with attorney general bill barr because he has made questionable choices in the past. and last night we heard from jerry nadler who also questions what bill barr's motivations are. so bianna, here it is. these reports if true raise profound new concerns that the department of justice under attorney general william barr has lost its independence and become a vehicle for president trump's political revenge. people felt that ever since he summarized the mueller report in his own words.
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>> and that was a productive summary for the president and bill barr who characterized for bill barr even though that wasn't what mueller was conveying at all. i think this was a conviction that bill barr has had. i don't know if it's because he agrees with the president on this or the president has convinced him that there is something more there to the origins of the investigation. but he hinted at this through the past year. and here we are. we know that he's also traveled overseas to italy to investigate and speak to people there about the origins of the investigation. the italians have denied any involvement at all. in fact, the president of the country at least said he had nothing to do with it and the italians had nothing to do with it. if it's about transparency that the republicans are arguing the democrats should be putting forward at this point with regards to the investigation, i think the same could be said and asked of this investigation as well. it's interesting that a lot of these players all were focused
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on russia and had a russia-specific background. this is somebody the president in an area the president has been targeting for two years. and it's coming at a time when we were already hypothetically talking about whether the president could get away with murder on 5th avenue. so this has been an empowering week for the president, i would say that. >> if i can pile on bill barr a little more, another thing that he's done that's completely inappropriate, "a," speaking about a trial going on at all. wu "b," saying i believe there was spying. that's a politically loaded word. he's out there saying things he shouldn't be saying and he's hinted he's already drawn conclusions. >> one of the things he's been criticized for was it was the durham investigation. people suggested he was looking for that predicate to launch the criminal investigation. we'll see. there's the ig report. michael horowitz is releasing the report with the fisa
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investigation. we need more visibility on that. one more subject i want to get to while we can is this reporting in "the washington post" this morning that democrats are now suggesting, you know what? we don't even need to hear from the whistle-blower directly. the whistle-blower doesn't even need to testify under the 19,000 layers of protection we'd have to put in place. what do you make of that? >> because everyone has basically corroborated. was not a participant. but given what we've heard from the testimony of other officials and diplomats over the past week and a half, it would make sense that at this point, especially given the threats coming out of the white house in the statements really denigrating the whistle-blower's credibility, i'm not sure what kind of a witness he'd need to be in the sense that they still want to protect his identity. he still would like to be protected. they would like to comply with that. it seems like they've got ample evidence given what they've heard. >> you think the whistle-blower is now unnecessary?
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>> absolutely do not need. if you have someone who heard third hand or fourth hand but the body is here and the gun is buried here and you go and dig up the body and gun, you do not need them to testify. indirectly to the text. so we have that's the primary text. you do not need to call the whistle-blower. >> bianna, elie. thank you for all of the information and analysis. investigators have just released findings on what caused last year's lion air crash. we'll let you know what they say brought this plane down and what it means for boeing and passengers. next. lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. so you can enjoy it even if you're sensitive. yet some say it isn't real milk. i guess those cows must actually be big dogs. sit! i said sit!
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breaking news overnight, more than 18 million people in southern california are facing red fire warnings. as ferocious winds fuel nine fires that have charred nearly 30,000 acres across the state. as many as 50,000 people are under evacuation orders at this hour. in northern california sonoma county, the fire there has burned 16,000 acres and destroyed dozens of structures. pacific gas and electronic now says a transmission tower malfunctioned near the spot where the fire began but cal fire says the cause is still under investigation. and north of los angeles, a wildfire is raging at this hour consuming nearly 4,000 acres. firefighters are scrambling to protect homes as 10,000 structures are threatened. also breaking overnight, indonesian investigators have released findings about the lion air crash that killed 89 people
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a year ago. they are blaming design flaws in the boeing 737 max and pilot error. what have we learned. >> reporter: that's right. they are outlining some nine contributing factors for this lion air crash. crash investigators are blaming boeing, the faa, and the pilots for this deadly crash. the start of the problem is boeing and the faa. investigators blamed the design of the plane's flight control system and lapses in faa's oversight during the whole process saying, and i'm quoting, during the design and certification of the boeing 737 max assumptions were made about pilot response to malfunctions which even though consistent with current industry guidelines turned out to be incorrect. well, the plane's automated software was denied to only rely on critical information from one censor making it vulnerable if
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that censor was faulty. investigators also pointed to a lack of information on the plane -- about the plane systems in the flight manuals. as for the pilots, investigators blamed poor training and maintenance. they even note that the pilots did not communicate or even coordinate with each other very well as all of these alerts and alarms are going off in the cockpit. and finally, investigators pointed out that the day before this accident, flight crews on the very same aircraft, they experience the same system malfunction. the crew actually deactivated the mcas system and flew the plane safely o the destination, but they didn't make an entry in the maintenance log. so the pilots on board lion air flight 610 didn't even know there were problems on board the previous flight. i want to quickly read a response from boeing in response to the findings of this final report. they said safety is an enduring value for everyone at boeing and
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the safety of the flying public and our customers and the crews aboard our airplanes is always our top priority. we value our long standing partnership with lion air and look forward to working with them in the future. so boeing committed to making the changes outlined within this final report. back to you, alisyn. >> okay. thank you very much for that very important development that we've all been waiting for. meanwhile, in syria another potential flip-flop on syria by president trump. two pentagon officials tell cnn that plans are being discussed to deploy tanks in eastern syria to protect u.s. troops near oil fields. you'll remember the president announced u.s. troops would be withdrawing from that region. nick paton walsh is live with us from erbil. what have you learned? >> reporter: well, it's inevitable, really -- >> all right. obviously we're having technical problems with that shot from erbil. but we'll get nick back as soon
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mind-set in the world series. this happened while the astros were celebrating their american league title on friday. brian toddman yelled to a group of reporters said thank goth we got asuna who served a suspension for violating the domestic violence policy. they called it misleading and completely irresponsible. but jeff admitted the team was wrong and fired toddman and apologized to the reporters. earlier this week toddman conceded he was embarrassed by his behavior. let's go to basketball. the last three nba mvps on the floor last night. james harden and russell westbrook. the new power couple looking more like an old married couple at times. getting into a passionate exchange just minutes into the
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game. the reunion off to a rocky start. they combined for just 43 points. giannis had 30 on his own. houston falls 117-111. now houston astro oos are hoping they don't fall again. game three is tonight in d.c. and john, standing room tickets only going for about $1,000 a piece. fans are smelling blood in the water and the sharks are circling. >> what a segue that is, coy wire. thank you very much. because as the washington nationals prepare to host that first world series since 1933. >> that's just off the top of my head. >> tonight players and fans alike have latched onto one of the strangest good luck charms in the history of mlb. a song for toddlers and alisyn called "baby shark." and we apologize for the ear worm. ♪
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>> you can't really hear it there. you can't really hear it there, but you can hear it much better when our cnn politics reporting and editor at large and big washington nationals fan chris cillizza comes on. >> it's too bad i didn't wear my shark hat. >> you have one? >> heck yeah! it's a whole thing. >> not a concern in any way here. >> i lost my dignity in about 1987. >> so explain to us why this is happening. >> hold on. quiet. i want to hear it. ♪ daddy shark do do do do do do ♪ ♪ dad ji shark do do do do do do ♪ >> it's a whole thing. >> because? >> the nationals started the season 19-31 through 50 games. and i like everyone there demanding that martinez, the manager that was fired, because i have a lot of influence was not fired.
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so they were bad and they were expected to be good. parra who's a utility infielder, outfielder -- actually outfielder. he gets saned in may. no one pays attention. he has a 2-year-old daughter. he plays this song. i think at that point they were getting better. but they're under 0.500. people don't pay attention. it's a kids song. if you have little kids, you've heard this song. >> and you can't unhear it. that's the problem with it. you'll sing it all day now. >> after the all-star break, they filmed parra doing the thing which is like a big old head. so it's like three versions of his head doing it. then as they got better and he -- the clubhouse kind of rallied. in truth, it's awesome. the clubhouse rallied around him. he's a fun guy. he always has colored sunglasses on in the dugout. doesn't play a lot. but we've taken our kids -- i have two boys 10 and 7.
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they're big nationals fans. if you take kids to a game, they do not care about anything. i am praying that parra pinch hits so the kids can hear and people go bananas. i mean, it's -- the -- when you walk into the nationals whatever where they sell all their merch. >> concession area. >> it's like 90% shark stuff. and then it's like, oh, also a max scherzer jersey. >> they're winning. >> and it's chemistry. baseball, 162-game season, right? it goes on forever. i say as a fan. even every game is three-plus hours. you have to have some level of chemistry. they dance in the dugouts after they hit home runs. >> i like that. answer me this. president trump is going to go to the game but why won't he throw out the pitch? >> he's going to game five. may not get that far, but he is allegedly going to game five. the nationals said he's not
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throwing out the pitch. trump said he would look too heavy with all that armor on meaning a bulletproof vest which presidents wear in those situations. george w. bush wore one when he threw out the yankees world series -- >> president obama did too. but what would happen as a fan as a political analyst if donald trump walked to the mound to throw out the first pitch? >> d.c. is not a -- the district of columbia is not a swing state. he would be heavily booed. they know that. and they don't want that image. even for a -- i mean, this is one of the most media conscious despite the press he gets, one of the most media conscious people forget presidents, people we've had. he knows that -- even showing him in the stands my guess if they put him on the big screen and they show him on game five, he will be booed at a level that we might play it in the future. >> well, maybe he also doesn't want to subject himself to any
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of the clothing controversy. remember, president obama was seen wearing mom jeans. remember that? >> those were brutal. tapered slim fit. 32 waist. >> all right. thank you very much for helping us understand all of this. brand new interview from joe biden. he's criticizing the president for employing his own children in the administration. that interview after the break. our love is one of a kind strong brilliant unbreakable ♪ engagement rings now 20- 40 percent off shop unique bridal styles at zales, the diamond store pampers is here to help every parent love the changes a baby brings. [baby cries] pampers is the first and only diaper with air dry channels.
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movement dysfunction, restlessness, sleepiness, stomach issues are common side effects. when bipolar i overwhelms, vraylar helps smooth the ups and downs. two pentagon officials tell cnn plans are being discussed to bring tanks to protect u.s. troops near the syria oil fields. the president announced u.s. troops would be withdrawing from that region. so let's get back to nick paton walsh from erbil, iraq, with his latest reporting. >> reporter: inevitable consequence of donald trump deciding he wants to, quote, protect the oil. it's not that strategically significant but it allows pentagon officials to do that under the guise of making sure these oil fields don't fall back into the hands of isis. a distant possibility at the moment, but those couple of hundred troops or so would be vulnerable without extra armor.
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it may be headed its way. tanks, possibly armored vehicles floied against the general thrust of the commander in chief to bring the troops home. instead they are now on a much more complicated mission in syria and kurdistan and iraq knowing that the iraqi government said they're not welcome to stay in iraq. the fate of isis, though, the key part of their mission. and what becomes of those many isis detainees i'm told are mostly still in syrian kurdish custody? but the syrian regime are close to those officials. an official i spoke to, remember this is not just about america's interests. they say that they are deeply concerned in this european intelligence agency about what happens if they get into the regime hands. might the regime send them straight home on a plane? quote, dispose of them. now able to execute in syrian regime custody. the biggest fear they have is the possible weaponizization.
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might they take these jihadists and use them potentially for attacks elsewhere? that's the nightmare scenario. imagine them functioning with a state able to assist them in some way. back to you. >> every day, nick, a new concern arising from the decision that was made now two weeks ago. thank you for your reporting there. so there's this new interview from joe biden. and in it he is taking a dig from president trump for employing his own family members inside the white house. joe biden says his children will not work in the administration if he is elected president. >> if i get elected president, my children are not going to have offices in the white house. my children are not going to sit in a cabinet meeting. the idea that you're going to
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have -- go to the extent that he has gone to have, you know, his children and son-in-law engaged in the day-to-day operation of things they know nothing about. >> you don't think jared kushner should be negotiating in the middle east a peace solution? >> no, i don't. i don't. what credential does he bring to that? >> chris is back with us. political jujitsu turning the questions back on the president. >> joe biden understands this is a weakness. maybe one that he can't control now because it -- this decision happened -- hunter biden was on this in 2014. he understands that is an issue. at the same time the point he makes is a valid one. we talked about it over and continue to talk about it over and over again. the fact that donald trump has his daughter and son-in-law not
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just in the white house but in senior positions with amorphous roles. so yes it is joe biden trying to change the subject. at the same time, the subject it's being changed to is a valid one that we've raised. >> it's not only valid. when you hear it coming out of joe biden's mouth, somehow it sounds even more shocking. it's like we always talk about how we've become to this. when you hear that president trump's children are in cabinet meetings. we've seen pictures of it all. why? negotiating middle east peace. jared kushner was the son of a real estate scion, whatever. my guess makes him capable of doing some things. but middle east peace? >> i follow sports really closely. >> yes. >> if my dad bought the washington nationals, i don't think that's a possibility, but i'm not qualified to be the general manager. right?
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that doesn't mean i don't know stuff about baseball, i can't coach my kid's team. but there's a different level of expeerps and lived in wisdom that comes. just one other example that came up to me was when it said i put in a trust. he didn't. again, we have written, talked, addressed this over and over again. but these are not normal things. it remains normal. >> tulsi gabbard gets attention to her position in the polls with itch is not high right now. she announced she will not run for re-election to congress. not going to run for re-election. mean time, she continues to do
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interviews on fox news. what's going on here? i don't really know in the same way i don't totally understand why hillary clinton -- i know she didn't name tulsi gabbard. but if you do a process of elimination, it's clear that's who she was talking about. i will say the filing deadline in hawaii is not until next june. which people do change their minds. people say i'm not running for this and decide to run for it. but there's a serious candidate running to replace her. was going to primary her so i don't know what her end game is. because she is not someone without a potential political future. i think she has real political skill. but i don't know. the serious stuff has always been strange.
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some of the stuff on the impeachment who said he should be impeached, she said it's too partisan. i don't know what she's playing at. i don't think it's this broad machiavellian attempt to run as a third party candidate and make donald trump's win number be lower. but i don't know what it is. so i guess we can't say that. >> biden has announced that he will allow a super pac. i'm going to fight fire with fire strategy? >> first of all, john berman and i can say i've looked into this but we can say we disavow this. it's separate. but i think the reality here is that joe biden has less than $9 million in the bank as of the end of september. bernie sanders has $33 million. pete buttigieg, $23 million.
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he needs something. his personal fund raising is not going to equal theirs. he needs another vehicle to keep him in the money game. this is a practical decision. he knows he's going to get beat up for it. the people starting this super pac know he's going to get beat up for it. but what would you rather have? matching in iowa? a matching number of ads supporting joe biden or not? and i think the calculation is you would rather have that and take a little bit of heat for starting a super pac. >> the other candidates have already come out and talked about it. but look. we will see. >> remember, this is about winning. that's why this is happening. if joe biden had $25 million in the bank, we would not be talking about a super pac. >> got it. thank you very much. all right. we have so many developments in the impeachment inquiry. "new day" continues right now. >> the thoughts the republicans are concerned about the.
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tim morrison set to testify and corroborate parts of bill taylor's testimony. >> once you pierce that white house, you might find more people willing to testify and cooperate. >> i think the process argument is a distraction and is phony. >> a lot of the interactions and statements to be made were based on secondhand information. those are points that could be disputed. >> there are a lot of thoughtful republicans in the house that have to be offended by this. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." and we begin with two important witnesses in the impeachment inquiry. first tim morrison will be deposed next week, we're told. and is expected to corroborate the testimony of bill taylor. there was a quid pro quo with
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ukraine. morrison, will be one of two people scheduled to testify next week who actually were on that controversial july 25th phone call between president trump and ukraine's president. "the new york times" is reporting this morning that ousted national security adviser john bolton is in negotiations to testify before house committees. likening it to a drug deal. cnn has also learned democrats are discussing the scope and scale of the articles of impeachment. >> with the impeachment inquiry heating up, bill barr's investigation of the origins of the 2016 trump russia probe, that investigation is escalating. cnn learned overnight it is now designated as a criminal matter. it would allow -- democratic

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