>> i'm painting 80 tonight facts not especially good news for the that we don't know the facts. kurds, but very good news for you and i are both setting russia and iran and the regime of bashar al assad. assumptions. >> i'm not making any news continues. i want to hand it over to chris assumption. >> yes, you are. for "cuomo prime time." do you the true transcript from chris? >> thank you, anderson. the hearing today? i am chris cuomo, and welcome to >> i don't have the true transcript from the call because "primetime." you wouldn't bet lett bit so many see this as a very dark day for the president. transcript. >> we gave it out. maybe, but that's not my perspective. we have finally see the light of truth. >> it's a resuscitation of we know what happened, and that light shown brightly today from certain people. it says right on it, this is not an unlikely source, team trump. a verbatim conversation. the top u.s. diplomat to ukraine come on. says a quid pro quo was clearly >> what are you talking about with william taylor? is that not the same thing? in play. the president was orchestrating >> you vet him. a shadow effort to manipulate >> already vetted the president too and they chose that they wanted him to be president. and what has happened is the ukraine to get dirt on the dnc democratic party hasn't accepted and the bidens. it. and they've been trying to people with power to decide the impeach him. >> that's a political argument. president's fate are here and look, you should not impeach tonight to answer the real only question that remains, what somebody as political payback. >> agreed. so we both agree on that one. >> 100%. and it should not be what should the consequence be? it's a big day. there are big questions. let's get after it. impeachment was supposed to be. but you're ignoring.

>> what has the president done now, look, the white house is that's impeachable? >> he abused his power by asking doing what it doe source, but a foreign sovereign to interfere they can't do that here. in the election. this comes from their own. >> what did he do? he didn't ask them to interfere in the election. the president's top diplomat in we already said that. >> of course he did, congressman. >> because you and i know that ukraine, the man asked by trump how? >> because there is everybody who has testified and the texts secretary of state -- of course, he is for every citizen -- but and the transcript all say it. i'm saying it's his team. >> everybody's transcript. pompeo went to taylor, asked him come on, congressman. to do the job. you guys saw texts from two this is their team. and mr. taylor confirmed in lovers, and you thought there was a deep state conspiracy against the president based on painstaking detail what happened two lovers' useless in ukraine. and he details it as wrong and conversation. now you have these texts -- abusive of power. >> that isn't a conversation you and i have. you keep turning the way the the release of aid to ukraine conversation is. if we're going to set here and was contingent on what? assume, and you're going to pass to the american people that this on the country pursuing an is actually factual, then why don't we have the facts? investigation against the >> they are the facts. bidens, against the dnc, and >> open the transcript, open the saying it in public. hearing. and if they didn't, they >> you said nothing to counter wouldn't get to have a meeting anything. >> you and i don't know what was with this president, which they wanted very much for legitimacy, in the hearing because -- >> i wanted ukraine to and that aid was frozen. investigate the bidens. that is only asking for

political advantage. remember, bill taylor. >> he said let's know the truth. if you don't want to take him from his words, you can take him from his texts because we have well, the truth is hunter biden even said the fact his only them. sondland. you don't want the take him at connection to the ukrainele his word? and there are some questions he has to answer about a little $3,000 a month was his inconsistencies about what we've congressman, the vice president. heard from volker and from that's not a conflict? >> you're worried about ivanka taylor, but it's all in the trump cutting ip deals in china text. taylor is the man who said i while she is representing our think it's crazy to withhold country? >> there was already a well security assistance for help established business connection with a political campaign. there. >> come on. he said he believed that then congressman! >> you want to talk everybody and still believes it today. else about the trumps, but you and earlier, he answered the key won't talk about the obvious, the obvious would be the word question of what happened on the phone with the president's ambassador to the eu, sondland, suspicious activities to which hunter biden was dealing with. >> i'll tell you what. after he asked him to take it i have no problem saying offline. something that mr. mullen, you remember? taylor says ambassador sondland can't say. what hunter biden did was wrong. told me that president trump had he shouldn't have done it. told him that he wants president and we know that his father -- zelensky, the ukraine president, >> we agree on that. to state publicly ukraine will >> we know his father thinks it's wrong. investigate burisma. i'm out of time. that's the company where hunter see what i just did? see what i just did? biden was on the board, and >> what was that. >>? you can't look at this situation

alleged ukrainian interference with this president and say you in the 2016 u.s. election. see obvious wrong, then you're not telling the truth to the that's this crazy dnc server american people. >> we haven't seen obvious conspiracy. wrongs. >> come on. sondland said, quote, everything congressman, i've got to leave it there. we'll see what the next step is. you're always welcome here. was dependent on such an appreciate you. announcement, including security assistance. god bless. listen, reality is hard to ignore, man. i do not envy the case that has he said that president trump to be made. so everybody is lying. i got to see everything now wanted president zelensky in a verbatim. texts were fine in the past, but public box. the president's own people have they're not fine now. listen, we know what happened. by and large been telling the you should not surrender same story for the last two and principles for political convenience. the argument what we know, but a half weeks to congress, and it just as importantly, what we don't know, next. is damning. the only one who appears to be when you look at the world, spinning is the top trump what do you see? we see patterns. donor-turned-ambassador gordon sondland. and what he said is bad enough, relationships. but now they're saying you've got to come back because he has been spinning it a little bit, when you use location technology, and we need as little you can see where things happen, before they happen. discrepancy on what is certifiable as fact as possible. so let's bring in someone who's with esri location technology,

calling for sondland to come you can see what others can't. back, who heard from taylor with his own ears today oversight and ♪ foreign affairs committee member gerry connolly, democrat from virginia. congressman, such an important night. thank you for being on "primetime." >> good to be with you again, chris. >> you are relieved of the ordinary cat and mouse, when try to get you to tell me what happened in the testimony and you say you can't tell me because it was closed, because we have his statement, and that is all we need. when you heard that today, do you believe there can be a good faith dispute about whether or alice loves the smell of gain so much, not the president did something she wished it came in a fabric softener too. that is wrong and abusive of his [throat clears] power? say hello to your fairy godmother, alice. >> no, i don't think that's in dispute at all, chris. oh and look they got gain scent beads and dryer sheets too! i think you outlined it just before i came on. i think we have prima fascia evidence in the transcript, in the whistle-blower complaint, in

the text messages provided by ambassador volker. and now in this statement, very lengthy, very methodical and meticulously done statement of 15 pages by a man who takes really particular notes from both phone conversations and meetings. i think it's very damning, and i think it's -- puts a political mortal peril at this presidency. >> i think that's the only question is what is the consequence. i don't see good faith argument on the facts, because these are all trump's guys. i think it's silly to attack anonymous sources as a journalist. these aren't anonymous sources. you want the whistle-blower. go get him. we don't need him. >> that's right. >> it's all about people in place by this administration for this administration. do you believe that this is -- you said mortal peril. do you believe that this is worthy of removal from office? i get it all the time. i know the senate handles that. "have you lost weight?" but what's your take? >> yes, absolutely. of course i have- ever since i started renting from national.

i'm certainly prepared to vote for articles of impeachment. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... i believe the evidence we have in front of us, combined with ...and choose any car in the aisle. the mueller report, we shouldn't and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. get that. >> i agree. >> justice and cooperation with the russians, i believe is at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. overflowing in terms of meeting the constitutional threshold for i know. impeachment. and conviction, removal from (vo) go national. go like a pro. office. >> i think that's something that the democrats have to deal with. where is the mueller analysis gone? my moderate to severe i ulcerative colitis.ing you've found something that's an easier sell in ukraine, i get but i realized something was missing... that, and politics is me. persuasion, but you've been telling us for months you had the thought of my symptoms returning enough then and then you went was keeping me from being there silent on that. i'm glad you brought that up. for the people and things i love most. in terms of what are you waiting so, i talked to my doctor and learned for? what else do you need to vote on humira can help get, and keep, uc under control articles of impeachment. to basically bring up an when other medications haven't worked well enough. indictment. i mean, you heard enough today. and it helps people achieve control that lasts >> i think that's right, but i so you could experience few or no symptoms. think that the speaker and the humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. leadership of the impeachment inquiry panel want to be serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; extremely thorough. as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, they want to cross ever t and t serious allergic reactions,

and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. >> republicans say you haven't tell your doctor if you've been to areas brought anybody up yet who said where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, trump says it was a quid pro quo. are prone to infections, my audience knows this, but you've been busy to watch, i'm or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. sure. i don't believe you need a quid pro quo. i don't think this is a legal be there for you, and them. analysis. i don't think there are elements that are to be checked like ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. boxes in some type of law exam. this is about a political judgment. but even if you did need a quid pro quo, how did you not get it today? >> yeah. i think we did. but you know what? that's -- they're throwing up a red herring. who said we need to prove there is a quid pro quo? but by the way, the transcript itself released clearly shows extortion is going on. if you want military aid breathe a sigh of relief. resumed, and you want to have a we now know what happened and meeting with me in the white house, you need to do a favor why. a meticulous tapestry of turpitude by trump's own choice for me, though. to be the top ukraine diplomat, and that favor, what was it? it was to collect political dirt mr. bill taylor. on a perspective political opponent and to try to track in just his opening statement it down this elusive dnc server

clearly indicates an that some conspiracy theorist orchestrated intentional wrong. says is still running around in a clear abuse of the president's the ukraine. power. and unfortunately, trump period. there can be no good faith actually followed through on argument made otherwise. that multiple times, including the one you cited in the report just now, which is that he trump told the president of the ukraine to look at the dnc and actually said "i want to see the bidens. he told ambassador sondland that president zelensky of ukraine go he wanted ukraine to announce on public television, and i want to see him myself commit to this those investigations, that everything was tied to that. investigation before military it was known by all that there aid can be resumed. >> so if the idea of no straw would be no aid nor any meeting man, if the idea of no quid pro with the two presidents until trump got what he wanted. quo is a straw man argument, and it is, in my take, the steel man sondland told taylor that the argument is congressman president told him what he connolly, it never happened. wanted, which is the definition i didn't get the dirt on the of a quid pro quo, right after bidens. i didn't get the dirt on the dnc. i didn't keep the aid from them. saying, the president says, no they weren't compromised by any quid pro quo. of this. look, this president may be our relationship wasn't unethical and abusive of his compromised by this. so there is no damage. power, but he's not stupid. therefore, removal is excessive see for yourself. ambassador sondland said that he this close to an election with a had talked to president zelensky first-term president.

and mr. yarmak and told them >> the abuse of office, the that although this was not a obstruction of justice, and i'm quid pro quo if president by the way with you, i think we zelensky did not clear things up cannot forget the mueller public we would be at a report. we can't just focus on ukraine, though that might be our primary stalemate. that is a quid pro quo. focus. we have to look at the other that's all it is. actions of this president which that's all it will ever be. and when taylor said to him in a absolutely rise to the threshold text, you've seen it, okay? of impeachment. . i believe president trump is a he didn't like aid being upheld clear and present danger to the for help in an election. future of our democratic norms and way of life. >> you believe if he is not sondland took it offline then removed, he'll just keep doing admitted that was what was going this. i know democrats are arguing today, well, look at syria. on, as you saw above. look that he spoke to putin and what did he then do? he tried to keep this conspiracy he spoke to the head in hungary before he spoke to turkey, and secret. he didn't want the call with he never dealt with congress. ukraine where he would relay he just talked to those two men those terms transcribed. why? and came up with policy. why did he keep the circle of i get that. i do think that removal is a parties small? why did they have this parallel very high bar. impeachment, articles of pae diplomatic effort? because they knew it was wrong. mulvaney even admitted the dnc impeachment, that's the indictment. i don't know what you're waiting for on that. was a give for the aid before in terms of removal, that's not being walked back by team trump. your business. you're in the house. that's the senate. that's a very high bar. you have named sources. congressman, thank you so much

for being with us on this night tonight. >> my pleasure. taylor, vietnam vet and >> is there anything else you want the audience to know or are republican. sondland, trump donor and you good? >> i was going to say it is up friend. to the senate, but remember, we volker, handpicked by team also help provide managers on trump. the floor of the senate to try where are the nicknames and the the case. >> yes. nasty degrading of these guys, yes. do you know who those will be mr. president? the only thing you can do is say yet? no. too early in the process? >> i don't. but i'm looking forward to it. radical unelecteds? >> congressman gerry connolly, they're your people and your thank you very much very much silence about them is confirming for keeping us in the loop. thank you, sir. of the same. >> thank you, chris. >> all right. the only question is what the so taylor's testimony, it has to consequence should be. that's where the picture takes a be setting off alarm bells. turn for the worse. the latest proof, republicans i don't know what else you need to hear to see that this is supporting with silence or wrong. even implicates the president spewing nonsense in defense of for the actions at the heart of this president, saying he's being lynched. insensitive. inaccurate. all republicans must remember the impeachmenpaem impeachment . what they're witnessing here, a he is not a radical vote, strong lynching. blacks were lynched by bigots. man, it's fakery. we will laid ley out for you all any president should know of the lines that have not been better. trump doesn't. that's ignorance. and i argue cannot be rebutted and it's correctible by that lead directly to the top. apologizing and stating the you want to know what's wrong? insensitivity. we will lay it out, next. but he doesn't do that. that's arrogance. and that's more dangerous and

not correctible. and worse, on his team it's contagious. >> this is a lynching in every sense. this is un-american. what does lynching mean? a mob grabs you, they don't give you a chance to defend yourself. alice loves the smell of gain so much, >> it means you get attacked by she wished it came in a fabric softener too. a bunch of bigots because you're [throat clears] black and you're murdered for say hello to your fairy godmother, alice. that and only that. and you know it. oh and look they got gain scent beads and dryer sheets too! senator graham, you're not ignorant. your state bears the stain of this savagery. close to 150 that we know about. shame on you for ignoring what's obvious. shame on you for supporting in this president what you once decried on the floor of congress. >> you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose when ywhat do you see?orld, your job in this constitutional we see patterns. republic. if this body determines that your conduct as a public relationships. official is clearly out of bounds in your role, impeachment when you use location technology, is not about punishment. you can see where things happen,

before they happen. impeachment is about cleansing the office. with esri location technology, impeachment is about restoring you can see what others can't. honor and integrity to the ♪ office. >> where is your honor and integrity? if this body determines that your conduct as a public my moderate to severe i ulcerative colitis.ing official is clearly out of but i realized something was missing... bounds, if this isn't what is. me. the thought of my symptoms returning and now his words should haunt him. and all the other hypocrites. was keeping me from being there for the people and things i love most. when you're asked to dismiss likely articles of impeachment, so, i talked to my doctor and learned will graham and gang once again humira can help get, and keep, uc under control do what they reviled in their when other medications haven't worked well enough. and it helps people achieve control that lasts opponents? >> the only way to avoid impeachment is to leave your so you could experience few or no symptoms. common sense at the door, defy humira can lower your ability to fight infections, the way the world works, and including tuberculosis. ignore the facts and talk about serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, something else. >> hence the fake news, the including lymphoma, have happened; lynching, the silly straw man as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, arguments that fall away as and new or worsening heart failure. easily as their name suggests before treatment, get tested for tb. when soaked in facts. tell your doctor if you've been to areas refusing to face the facts does where certain fungal infections are common, not make them any less true. and if you've had tb, hepatitis b,

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obviously, they're fighting a war. we have seen witness after witness deliver sworn testimony to congress, the president's own people, many of them still work for him. yet they've ignored the official policy of hiding behind privilege. and it is telling that only one, gordon sondland, rich hotel guy, trump political donor, he is the only one who tried to soften the blow. sondland himself now has to answer some other questions. but even his testimony showed that this is what it looks like. there can be no question of whether there was a quid pro quo. and by the way, my question is be on the lookout from whether or not you need one. taylor today. we're not checking off elements if the if russia dominates of a crime. this is about abuse of political. it's about common sense. ukraine russia will again become but if you want one, there were an empire oppressing its people and threatening its neighbors and the rest of the world." two, security assistance and a putin apparently convinced our white house meeting. that's what ukraine wanted. both were used and withheld to parent to adopt a hostile view on ukraine. today putin and turkey's erdogan maximize leverage. make a deal to take over vast swaths of kurdish territory. be on the lookout.

the demand explicit. why is this president always benefiting putin? everything was dependent, says thank you for watching us. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon taylor. nothing changed until the president got what he wanted. starts right now. and you can't pass this off as >> what did the house speaker rudy giuliani just creating say, all roads what? issues. >> lead to putin. >> what do you think? today's testimony is a window that's the answer, right there. into a coordinated effort >> i think you have some involving cabinet officials, a explicit and implicit reasons for it. senator, ambassadors. that's in addition to the vice >> did you read the entire letter today? president, the acting chief of >> i did. staff, and who knows who else. what letter? you mean the testimony? they all got their orders and >> the opening statement. >> oh, yeah. yeah. >> i hope everyone reads it their idea of the intentions from the president of the united states. nowhere in any of the testimony because there's really -- again, for me, this is like the in the texts, in the white house transcript, me speaking, don lemon, it's like the t transcript is there a mention of any other case. is there a mention of any other example of corruption. no other changes they needed to see from ukraine. it was only and always about hitting the democrats and biden. to get that, they used the

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are asking about bill taylor, why did he take so many notes? why was he so detailed? because he was worried about what was going on around him and what he had unfortunately become a part of. the other big takeaway, this idea of there is no quid pro quo here. they don't need one to make a political judgment that this was abusive of the president's office. but if you want one, you've got two from taylor's testimony today. in just his opening statement, i don't know what he said in the testimony, but you heard congressman connolly say it just reinforced the same message. administration officials were wrapped up in what he sees as a parallel diplomatic effort to benefit this president. if you want the aid, if you want a meeting with this president, you give us the dnc and the biden information. nothing else was ever mentioned. andrew mccabe, jim baker, fbi vets are here. andrew, what do you see in that statement that ends the analysis

for you? >> well, chris, as you mentioned, they don't need proof of a quid pro quo. we are not trying to show the elements of an offense here. it's not a legal case, but the hurdle that the democrats have to get over here is presenting a convincing case, a convincing argument about the malfeasance and the bad acts that the president and his supporters were engaged in. taylor helps them enormously. his statement is incredibly detailed. it's got dates. it's got phone calmls. >> what else do they need? >> it's hard to imagine what else they need. every witness they have had now has kind of outdone the witness before, but taylor takes them to a new level, and he obliterates a lot of the defenses we have seen coming from the republicans about, well, there was no real quid pro quo and that sort of thing. taylor eviscerates those defenses. >> would you ask for an indictment on these facts if they were delivered to you?

>> confidently, confidently. if i were the investigator running this case, i would assume that the gods were smiling on me. bill taylor is the kind of witness that you are happy to go court with. >> okay. if we start looking at what this is going to mean -- i just want the make sure have i the order right. so jim, the idea of -- just so you know, this stuff doesn't just come out of my head at home. have i all the paper on my desk. we study all day to make it understand form you. it's hard on us. we have to study to make it relatable to you. jim, we're going to attack the source. that's not going to work here. this man's resume is too tough, and they begged him to do the job. so they have a problem there. but what harm was done, jim? ukraine got the money. they never gave us dirt on the dnc or bidens. they never really therefore interfered. they didn't make a public statement. they didn't even do the interview with cnn which is always a crime in and of itself, and our relationship is as good

as ever. so how can you remove from office for this? >> it's what he tried to do, and what he tried to do clearly was to abuse his power in order to stay in power by trying to get the ukrainians to do these investigateses investigations of the clinton server and the bidens in order to stay in power. and he withheld the money for a period of time, the military aid for a period of time in order to try to see what he could do to get the ukrainians to do his bidding. that in my view was a violation of his oath of office, because he is required to faithfully execute the laws of the united states. and by withholding that money that had been appropriated by law, by congress, for his own personal interest, he was acting corruptly and he was not faithfully executing the laws as he is required to do under the constitution. >> all right. but let me take a second -- that didn't go that well. let me try this again with you,

andrew. the idea of a good faith argument. you're right. baker is right. they withheld the money. shouldn't have done it. wrong. but they did get it eventually. so they did deliver the money. so you don't have me on withholding the money permanently, because i gave it to them. and everything wound up removin nullifying an election in my first term with an election right around the corner? too big a stick. >> well, look, chris, the constitution doesn't say you can only be impeached for a successful high crime or misdemeanor. so there is no question that he is in the hot zone of being look at for impeachment and removal. now, that's a question, the one that you raised, that's a question that every senator and particularly republican senators will have to grapple with. and they might very well look at the situation and say you know what? i don't approve of what he did. i think he probably abused his office, but i don't think it was enough to remove him from office. and that's a decision that we will have to see play out on the

senate floor. >> andrew, what's the biggest problem with making that argument? >> it just completely ignores the standard that we try to hold our presidents to. it's not were you a successful criminal, it's did you live up to the -- your oath, did you live up to what the constitution requires of you? and if you have engaged in a high crime or misdemeanor, that is the indicator for us that you have not and that you should be impeached. and i think that's clearly happened here. >> the real problem with the taylor testimony for them is you have sondland telling taylor that the president wanted it done a certain way, which is give me what i want or you're not getting anything. and then sondland told the ukraine official that. he later regretted that, according to taylor, which by the way was a nice thing for taylor to add in there for him. but you have these two layers of it. the one missing piece they're relying on in defending the president, jim, but craukraine

didn't know it was being manipulated the way you lay it out. they were just curious why they weren't getting the aid and how to have a better relationship. if they didn't know they were being manipulated with this quid pro quo, then it's not really extortion. >> well, it's not about extortion, and it's not about being successful. it's what they tried to do in secret until they were found out and there was a whistle-blower that came forward and announced this to the whole world. so the fact they didn't get away with it at the end of the day shouldn't excuse this kind of behavior. >> yeah. >> furthermore, this has -- i hear what the president and others have said about what the ukrainians think and i see what the ukrainians are saying publicly and so on, but look, all of this cannot be what they wanted to have public with respect to the u.s./ukrainian relations. they can't be happy with being drawn in and pulled into our political debate and discussion in this way. it does not make ukraine look good. it is not the kind of foreign policy that i would imagine that they wanted to have executed at

this time. so in the middle of a war as ambassador taylor so thoughtfully pointed out today. >> let's end it on this. in the past, we've all shared questions about what we still want to know here before we start seeing what a question of consequence could be. do you both now believe you know what happened, you know enough to say that it was wrong in action? >> yes. >> absolutely. the underlying allegation has not changed at all. each of these witnesses has just given us a better look at it. taylor gives us incredible clarity today. hasn't changed anything but it's made the case a lot stronger. >> as you guys know even better than i ever will, someone who keeps notes like this does so for a reason. and this was a day it seemed mr. taylor knew was going to come. thank you very much, andrew mccabe and jim baker. appreciate it. very important night to have you. thanks for being here. >> thanks, chris. >> now, those are the facts as we see them for mr. taylor. what is the argument for the president? now, you see me making to it the

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if you read the opening statement from mr. taylor today, you will see that what the president wanted and what was done to try to get that for him are clear. they're also clearly wrong, as evidenced by the need for mr. taylor to take notes, the need to keep it quiet, the need to be disruptive to people stating what was obvious. so if you see it as obvious and wrong, the question is does it move supporters in congress to think this is something worthy of removal? and although that's specifically a question for the senate, it's something that should be in our conversation leadership right now. republican markwayne mullen returns to the show. congressman, thank you for coming back. >> absolutely, chris. thanks for having me. >> so mr. taylor today. >> right. >> did you find what he put in his opening statement compelling in any way? >> no absolutely not. what this was an opening statement with no cross-examine.

unfortunately, you have adam schiff, that still refuses to open up these hearings. we're talking about impeaching the president of the united states. there is no transcript that guess along with this. what i was told by my republican colleagues is that john ratcliffe, he absolutely tore this thing apart piece by piece in less than two minutes. but we don't me that because this isn't open and transparent. >> well, it's the investigation. >> it's simply a statement. >> this is the investigation, though, just to make it clear for the audience. >> sure. >> you don't usually get as a defendant a team in there to help you in an investigation. but republicans are there. and you just said one of them did a good job on this. so let's talk about that? how do you tear this apart? >> well, i don't know. >> mr. taylor has no reason for animus. he is your guy. you asked him to take the job. he is a life-long republican and a veteran. >> well, chris, i don't know. they haven't opened the transcript. if they would open the transcript, we would be able to see it. if they would just open the process. they won't allow me into the hearing room. i mean, we're talking about

impeaching the president of the united states, and it's all behind closed doors. and adam schiff is releasing what -- >> but it's intel inquiry. that's how you always do it. >> in intel, but this isn't the way we proceeded with bill clinton. this isn't the way -- >> that's not a real comparison, congressman, and you know it. >> you have us impeaching the president of the united states. what do you mean it's not a fair comparison. >> here's what i mean, with all due respect, sir. >> sure. >> you had ken starr as a special counsel there, or whatever you wanted to call it then by statute. >> you know what the difference between the two? richard nixon had committed a crime by using the intelligence committee to try to claim political gains. and you had bill clinton who lied to a grand jury. they also both committed crimes prior to the impeachment inquiry move. >> there is no requirement for any specific finding of criminal activity. >> started whitewater requirement. >> no, there is not. high crimes and misdemeanors does not mean felony.

>> what is impeachable? >> a high crime or misdemeanor -- >> i'm sorry, i'm asking the question here you're like me, you ask a question and answer it. this is what it says in the constitution. >> sure. >> high crimes and misdemeanors alike. but why didn't they list murder? why didn't they list kidnapping? >> well, that is crime. >> of course they're crimes. but they expect prosecution of those things. this is about removal of politicians for political crimes, abuse of power is one of them. >> removing a politician for political motives. >> well, that would be wrong. >> andrew johnson, underneath richard nixon and underneath bill clinton, they all committed crimes prior to the impeachment inquiry taking place. it had already been shown. >> but arguably, that's true here also. >> no, it's not. >> tell me what they're look at with ukraine. >> tell me what he has done. no, they're in search of a crime. >> that's a political talking point if i ask you -- >> tell me what eha he has done. >> i will right now. if we switched t ed thtoday'ed e

if we switched t ed thtoday'ed you be asking me this right now. >> i was asked on a weekly basis by my base to try to impeach obama, and i said show me the crime that he's committed and i'll run to it the top of the flag pole. >> you didn't have anything like this. >> we still don't have anything. tell me what he has done that is impeachable. >> the whitewater investigation and you wound up with an affair. it's not exactly the most high-minded probe. >> what has the president done? >> here's what he did. >> okay. >> he asked a foreign power to get involved in an american election by getting dirt on his opponents. >> you're adding to that. that is not what the transcript said. he said it's important to the people that we find out the truth of what happened, one with the server, two with the connection with joe biden's son hunter. >> look at the dnc and look at the bidens. and then everyone around him. >> he did not say that. >> then why did everyone around this president put in place by him say oh my god, i can't

believe he is doing this. how do we stop this from happening? >> if we're going talk about the facts. >> those are the fax. >> no, it's not. tell me what point to where that is a fact. that is not in the transcript, and that's not even what the fake whistle-blower says happened. >> we don't need a whistle-blower. we don't need anonymous sources. you have your own guy, ambassador sondland said that the president said to him i want the bidens and i want dnc and i want it public or they get nothing. he then said that to a ukrainian official, and then regretted it. when mr. taylhey heard it he wao worried about this, he took meticulous notes. >> i don't know his motives. i don't know people's political motives. >> your own guy has political motives? >> he wasn't our own guy. he was a career bureaucrat. >> didn't go to him and ask him to do the job? >> was you there? he did ask him to go down the

job, but that doesn't mean he's our guy. it means we put him in place. >> what defines your guy if not you went to him and asked him to do the job. >> you're using the term this is a republican and he is appointed by the president. >> yeah. >> that's not it. >> t for that.