something at them. the standof lasted for about three hours. the hijacker said he was a military policemen. all the hostages were freed, unarmed, but you can see one woman fainted as she was getting off the bus. poor thing. we don't know what the hijacker wanted, of course. >> thank you outline so much for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. >> thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. joe biden is back on the trail today. elect blth electability is biden's theme and jill biden has an interesting twist on that argument. plus, the scramble to make the next democratic debate. julio castro is in and a few other democrats who are close are racing to qualify.

secretary of state mike pompeo is making new on china, isis and offering his take on a "new yorker" profile that calls him the secretary of trump. >> i work hard. i work hard for the president of the united states who was constitutionally elected. he is my leader. >> we begin the hour with joe biden and two new wrinkles in the 2020 democratic race. a just released cnn poll that shows biden re-establish ago double digit national lead. and a new biden campaign ad aimed at keeping his challengers at bay. in the new poll, the former vice president stands at 29% among democrats and democratic leaning voters nationally. a bump of 7 points from june. senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren both holding steady at 1% and 14%. mayor pete buttigi ge and kamala harris tied at 5%. biden's strength in the race is his giant advantage when democrats are asked this question, which candidate is

most likely, in your view, to beat president trump? the campaign's first tv ad today focuses squarely on electability. take a listen. >> we know in our bones, this election is different. the stakes are higher, the threat more serious. we have to beat donald trump. and all the polls agree joe biden is the strongest democrat to do the job. he'll restore the nation, strong, steady, stable leadership, biden, president. >> cnn's arlette saenz is live in iowa. they come out of the box with this lexbility. what is the strategy? >> the biden campaign is doubling and even tripling down on this idea of electability, trying to frame and paint himself as the candidate who could best take on president trump in a general election.

it started with that digital video that he had rolled out as he had called this campaign a battle for the soul of the country. and you just see this reinforced in this television ad that is hitti hitting air waves here in iowa in most of the major media markets in the state. but, really, the biden campaign has been trying to focus on this central argument of electability. you heard his wife, jill biden, yesterday in new hampshire making that pitch to voters. and our new cnn poll does back up some of that focus on electability. the majority of democrats in that poll find illustrate important that they select a nominee who can beat president trump. so this is something that you've seen biden try to capitalize on in the early month of his campaign and he is likely to continue to stress that message going forward. now, he's about to start a two-day swing here in iowa. he'll be here in a few hours for an event later today. but biden is now not only in

person, but also on the air waves trying to hit that message of electability as he hopes that democrats will nominate him to take on president trump in the general election. john. >> ar let saenz live from iowa, thank you. keep in touch as the vice president campaigns with me here in studio camarera, and tamela. it is interesting, the debate in the campaign, it's about health care. how pure are you on foremedicare for all? back in 2008, it was anti-war, barack obama and the iraq war. primaries are usually about ideology. joe biden is trying to keep that lead that he has and hold everyone off by saying, focus on november. never mind between now and then. >> what do voters want more for medicare for all? they want to get president trump out of office. biden is using that to advance his campaign, showing that the number of polls show that in

several states that are going to be key in 2020, that he is leading trump or he is at least doing better than the other candidates. and i think that's part of the reason he's been able to remain steady in the polls. look at all the things that have happened since june. biden's gaffe, the talk about segregation and busing, the talk wes senator harris during the debate, his lackluster performance in some ways during the second debate, not remembering his website and what not. he's managed to survive all of that and remain steady in the polls and increasing his leads because in part people are worried about elect blth. right annoy, he is showing he is the most electability candidate according to the polls. >> that ad is that obama appeared four times in it, which is a reminder to voters -- >> only four? >> yeah, only four. i thought there might be more. it's all about the electability question which is, look, i've been there before. i was there with obama who all of you love and if you put me

there again, i could have this return to a white house similar to obama's. >> it's interesting, though, that the electability question does seem to be mostly judged right now on that nostalgia and experience question, which is not really a tangible policy thing at all. so it's just kind of odd that biden keeps delivering what is in many ways an eat your vegetables argument to a large part of the democratic base and if you look down in the guts of that poll, biden seems to be polling among the people you think he would. democrats. people who that argument of nostalgia appeals to. but not to the liberal base or the younger voters. there's a question of how much growth can he obtain in the general election coming from this position, especially given that a more eat your vegetables argument doesn't work as well with independents and younger voters as it would with very, very established democrats who really are going to vote for anyone but --

>> when you have the eat your vegetables, as you put it, jill biden is in new hampshire and joe abide sn in iowa. to me, this is an underwhelming way to say vote for me husband, even though a lot of you have doubts. >> your candidate might be better than, i don't know, health care than joe is. but you have to look at who is going to win this election. and maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, okay, i sort of personally like so-and-so better, but your bottom line has to be that we have to beat trump. >> now, the campaign says she knew she was in a room with some skeptics and biden doubters, so she's trying to make the argument maybe you have to swallow a little bit. but that does not sound like a strong argument for joe. >> but in some ways, she is making even more explicit what that campaign ad you played a few minutes ago was saying, as well, which is, you know, you talk to voters, i talked to voters in new hampshire just this past weekends, you talk to

them in iowa and they keep saying this thing about i want someone who can beat trump. i want the most electable. she is trying to make the case that, hey, look at those head to heads. hey, look at this. joe biden is the most electable. that is the argument that they're making. there are all kinds of questions about whether focussing on electability becomes gendered, whether -- and you have people like elizabeth warren constantly having to answer the question, are you electable? can america elect a woman? >> elizabeth warren did answer the question. it's an interesting point. biden's calling card is i beat trump. the question is will biden's edge erode over time if those polls continue? he does tend to beat trump by more than the other candidates. and he's better known. elizabeth warren is asked this question a lot. it's usually policy and ideology to drive a primary. a lot of voters think, oh, is

she too liberal to win? she says no. >> i've been to blue states, red states, purple states, red parts of blue states. all because i'm reaching out to run for president of all of america. and i think the core message that we've got a washington that works great for the wealthy and the well connected, but it's not working for anyone else is something people get whether they're democrats, republicans, or independents. >> passion in the argument. the challenge for those not named joe buy biden is to prove that you're as tough as he is, you have to beat biden. if he can beat trump, why can't he beat us? >> right now, warren and sanders are battling each other in the polling and it's hard to see how one of them would be able to surpass biden without the other dropping out. so warren, harris, castro are constantly battling the

electability problem. whether it's because of their color or gender. what's interesting to me about jill biden's statement is she said you might have preferences based on health care for autoed candidate, which is interesting because biden is running forcefully on affordable care act and trying to shore that up and she said but still, biden is the one who can win. and it could become dangerous, as tamara said in the future. >> and they do the ad in iowa where you're the former vice president, you're the elder statesman. if you lose, then the collapse could come which is why you're in the first state you're trying to protect. this is a national poll, the cnn poll. the state polls show a more competitive race in iowa and new hampshire. let's take a look at the breadth of joe biden's support right now. college degree, voters with a college degree, biden on top.

voters with no college on top, a bit of a drop to the other candidates, but still a very impressive lead there. so he's leading the base there. move this over here. bring up another grouping here. men and women by gender, biden is up. age, this is the one issue for biden if you look there. older voters, reliability voters, that is a huge biden advantage here. the question is, can you holdt strength is across the party. the issue is if you come down, you'll probably go down for everybody . >> and for biden, he has a name recognition and the time with obama. a lot of older voters have that nostalgia with him because of that. but if another candidate is able to get more younger voters or get more people of color to rally around them, then some of the voters who sided with biden so far may look at other candidates in part because the support for biden is based on nostalgia, not necessarily on this grand, broad vision for how

he's going to take the country forward in the future. news just into cnn, we have multiple people now voeshted with the national rifle association who have resigned their positions amid controversy at the agency. sara, what are we hearing? >> all is not well, john, as you know at the nra. richard childress, who is a nascar team owner and was on the nra board has stepped down. he still pledged to commit his support to the nra. he doesn't mention any of the financial struggles. but he is someone who previously has brought up the amount of money the nra is paying outside attorneys and raised that as a concern along with oliver north. oliver north was ousted as a result. but there are others leaving the nra. craig morgan, a country music singer, has resigned from the board. sources are telling me and michael warren, my colleague at cnn. and david layman, number two to chris cox, a lobbyist, is leaving the nra. so we see this tumultuous spree

as the nra is face ago variety of financial challenges and a lot of scrutiny from congress, but also from attorneys general here in washington and in new york, john. >> interesting to watch, especially the timing as we head into a campaign season. appreciate the new reporting there. up next, secretary of state mike pompeo acknowledges things aren't going as well as he had hoped with china, with north korea or with isis. stors. and we have zero account fees for brokerage accounts. at fidelity those zeros really add up. ♪ maybe i'll win ♪ saved by zero going back to the doctor just for a shot. with neulasta onpro... ...patients get their day back... ...to be with... ... family... ...or just to sleep in. strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. in a key study... ...neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17%... ...to 1%... ...a 94% decrease. neulasta onpro is designed to deliver... ...neulasta the day after chemo...

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waves on several front today. mike pompeo says the u.s. relationship with china will get even more difficult if beijing uses force to crack down with drem administrators in hong kong. and it's complicated with secretary pompeo's answer when asked about a recent inspector general's report suggesting isis is making a comeback. that report says the terror group has some 125,000 fighters at its disposal in iraq and syria. >> earlier this year, i said isis is done and done. >> what we've always said is the caliphate is gone and there's risk from al qaeda, other radical islamic terrorist groups. >> is it gaining strength, in your opinion? >> it's complicated. there's certainly places where isis is more powerful today than they were three or four years ago, but the caliphate is gone and their capacity to conduct external attacks has been made much more difficult. >> cnn's kylie atwood joins our

panel. it's interesting to listen to secretary pompeo in the sent that it's a candid answer and it is complicated. it is complicated. but his tone on isis, on north korea, very different from the president. everything with north korea is great. isis is gone. >> right. and the important thing to node about this inspector general report coming out from the pentagon is that it harps on and makes obvious what generals from the u.s. have been saying for months here, that isis is actually continuing to grow and continuing to build off of what it also had as its foundation in both iraq and syria. even though the caliphate has been destroyed, we know that, president trump has said that time and time again over the past few months. they are continue to go carry out attacks in the region. and so secretary pompeo said that there's less of a capable for them to carry out external attacks now, but we've heard from state department officials

and pentagon officials that they are continuing to carry out attacks in the region and increase their presence in places. >> and we've seen in the past if people have a different tone with the president, the president gets upset with them. we haven't seen that with mike pompeo. when he does that, isis, it's complicated and in some places they're strong. or on the issue of north korea, it's nor moving anywhere near as fast as we would like. when you listen to the president, he's like, oh, i got a beautiful letter from kim jong-un. it's great. >> we do see pompeo tend to tie some of that light criticism or light instancing himself with a lot of praise and a lot of effusive support for the president and he seems to get away with being able to break with the president a little bit on the messaging by talking about how great is president is and saying he is my leader. >> so he's cracked the code. is that the issue? >> pompeo is being subtle about

this. he is not explicitly contradicting the president. there is no up side for a mep of the cab nut to very openly break with the president, but he is trying to find that way to subtly say, it's complicated. >> and one of the issues today in the interview was there's a "new yorker" profile out. mike pompeo was a member of the house, he's complicated himself. he was asked about it and we can play you some of them. babb in 2016, he was averagely a marco rubio guy and he said some things about donald trump that were not so nice. >> donald trump said the other day if he tells a soldier to commit a war crime, the soldier

will just go do it. he said they'll do as i tell them to do. we've spent 7 1/2 years with an authoritarian president who ignored our constitution. we don't need four more years of that. now is the time for this campaign to pivot. it's time to turn down the lights on the circuits. >> how do you square that with your current job is what he was asked today. >> the xhekts back from 2016, it was a tough political campaign and when i'm on your team, i have all in. and when my county left, i was all in for president trump then, as well, and i'm in for america today. >> he's also one of the people people who have been able to survive being a harsh critic. >> and being valued enough to serve in very high positions. they put a lot of capital behind that, too.

an interesting piece is how what mike pompeo has done is an entire microcosm about what the entire gop has done is being credits kal of him when he was the candidate and falling in line once he was the approximated. and you can see it in the way that pompeo has mastered the art of how to keep the president happy while you are delivering the clear criticism, but in the package of punish the president is so great and he's my leader and everything else. this is will a model. >> the art of the something will be pompeo's book here. he has a tough decision to make. mitch mcconnell and others want him to run for the candidate in kansas. >> and he's enter ago delicate moment in which he's now defined as the secretary of state and the cia director for the trump

administration or he is pompeo, he is an individual and is he had someone who wants to represent the people of kansas if he decides to run. and he was asked about that today, if trump wins in 2020 if he'll stay on as secretary of state. and he said he would love to stay on as long as i can. so as long as pomp payo can, not as long as president trump wants him there, as long as it's good for him and his own identity to stay in that job. >> we shall see i think is the translation of that decision not made or at least not shared yet. the president promised meaningful background checks. he now seems to be backing away and backing away from that significantly. the president listening to voices now cooling to the yeah. white house sources saying the president could return to the idea when congress comes back from recess, but wouldn't bet on it. we'll be right back. nsurance ray gonna double.

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presiden president. today, jp morgan chase says president trump's china tariffs will cost $600 person american household on average. that northbound will go up to $1,000 if the next round of tariffs goes on. one more big today today, layoffs that will put 200 workers at its michigan mill out of a job for at least six months. bricking back steel is a constant trump refrain including had this from last week. steel. steel was dead. your business was dead. i don't want to be overly crude. your business was dead and i put a little thing called a 25% tariff on all of the dumped steel all over the country and now your business is thriving. >> it's interesting he specifically mentions the

tariffs there. you have the jpmorgan report saying the tariffs are going the hurt consumers. you can find economic statistics that say it's not so bad. jowl all, things are pretty good, call down. or you can find consumer sentiment is douven a business. the challenge in the political party of this is the president is trying to shape an argument as are the democrats. >> the president's main argument is i am the only one who can keep this going this way. and it appear as though the whiteout is now seem to go be worried about the warnings coming from wall street which is as soon as next year, the beginnings of a recession could appear even though trump in public doesn't want to go along

with that and is trying to find a fall guy, when it's the fed or the media. >> and you don't kick around should we try to cut payroll taxes unless you're worried there could be a slowdown. >> and, in fact, that could make people worried because that is one of those things that you come in to do when there's a problem and the economy needs a rescue. now whether they are talking about it or whether this was a trial balloon delivered to the president via the tv screen isn't 100% clear at this point. but, yeah, the economy is critical to the president and the tells about whether he's worried about it or not is all of the tweets badgering jay powell and also the move to delaware tho delay those tariff owes consumer goods coming from china past the holiday christmas season. >> and you've made the point both about the fed.

will jay powell cut rates again? the president is constantly calling him clueless and the like. this is the president of the post fed who gets a vote saying i'm not so sure we should do that. >> economic conditions are still pretty good. my own view was that we have to be careful not to ease too much when we don't have significant problems. i don't see a lot of needs to take action. i'm not saying there aren't circumstances in which i would be willing to ease. i just want to see evidence that we are going into something that's more of a slowdown. if i'm growing at 2%, i'm not as worried about that. >> this will away fascinating few weeks ahead as the president pushes and pushes you have raising legitimate concerns saying there are actually -- you could argue this both ways. >> yeah. the fed is fighting on two fronts. they're fighting to make sure the economy stays strong. they're fighting for their independence. we saw the president yesterday saying jay powell should reduce rates by a certain number.

so the fed has to protect their own independent while also making sure that the economy is strong. and if the fed board chairman is saying 20% is okay for us and if the president thinks 2% gdp growth is not okay because i promised 3% growth, you have a disconnection that could show where ps ps going in the fuse. >> and there are signs the economy is slowing if you look around. the president thinks a lot about his 2016 map. this is just growth. in all of the big states, the president flipped, pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, iowa, that must be a confusing graphic if you're trying to follow it all. but growth is up in the places where the president while when he flipped the map. but right now, if you look at the map, nationally, some

statistics cause some worry for the president. he has a strong stories to tell if i would tell it. >> and if he doesn't undermine the groups that he's trying to tell it to by future mufs that they make because they get skittish or worry. i think it's interesting that the president -- there is a different conversation he has to have for voters that might be swayed by the democratic message. democrats are trying to make the case that you can talk about all these top line measures, but we're talking about middle class and lower middle class people who aren't seek that effect in the same scope in their personal lives. that at the aurm they would be making. he's going to start to potentially loose other republicans when they start talking about things at the

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live pictures here from minneapolis. senator elizabeth warren holding a round table to discuss her latest policy proposal, this one on criminal justice. one of the maintainants repealing the 1994 crime bill, the one joe biden helped write while in the united states senate. she proposed reducing mandatory minimum sentences and ending the death penalty. senator warren has made her mark with the details policy propose yaesel in this one, that is you're trite to make a point there, repeal the 1994 crime bill. is that is not in there by accident that is signaling she could

potentially -- if they do make the same debate stage she will bring this up and be on the same stage agency biden which we haven't seen before. she is clearly signaling she may make some attacks against harris with the other elements of her plan that said she wants to appreciate states and have the federal government decriminalize crewantsy. so that is clearly a jab at harris, as well. >> there are, have been is having a climate down hall, for example, and we should have a thousand of these, have a criminal justice one, expand reimbursement for nontraditional treatments with, fund school base health centers, medicare as part of that, as well. when you have a crowded field, you get a lot of interesting policy yesterdays.

some of it is off beat, get rid of the penny, repurpose shopping malls. air it out. >> and andrew yand has more than a hundred policy proposals on his website. he's talking about climate change in a fairley interesting way and health care. but i think what all of these candidates are doing with their plans, in a way it is signaling to democratic voters that they care, that they have passion about the same things that these voters have passion about. when they get to the general election, president trump is not going to get down into the weeds about an animal welfare plan, but it signals to voters who do care about these things. >> $40 million in local community animal grants, animal

cruelty will be a federal crime. that is trying to draw our contrast with the trump administration which is weakening the endangered speicesy act. >> i think that is a given, no matter who we see on the final general debate stage against president trump. but it's interesting, we were talking as tam mentioned, it's trying to show people they care. it's trying to say, look, i've paid attention to the details. i'm trying to work it out. maybe with animal welfare, it's not that hard, but with health care, it is extremely hard to boil things down into a 30-second summary and sound bite that you can explain to voters that way. and it takes a lot longer to explain the guts of these things. >> we have five months until people vote, so we can do a better job here. i can at this end of the table and in our conversations. voters at home, too, you have a

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ed. and then there were ten. julio castro now qualified for the september debates. the next stage is in houston.

they have met both the polling and the donor qualifications. the battle for the remaining spots is on particularly for these four candidates who are close, chelsea gabbarded, tom steyer and jay inslee. additional candidates have only eight days left to qualify. if you had net the polling and you just needed donors, make you can tell get more of those. will there be polls in iowa and new hampshire nationally? do we know ten or do we think it's still possible? >> it doesn't look very positive for a lot of these candidates, but they have a chance because these media organizations are putting out polls almost on a daily basis. there will be a couple more tundz between now and eight days from now. but there are the october debates and a number of these candidates are thinking about if

they don't make september, they could make it to the stage. >> john delaney has worked hard in iowa in particular and hasn't been able to gain traction. he says probably not round three, but -- >> we think there's a way to get on the stage for either the third debate or the fourth debate, and that's what we're focused on. >> but not necessarily the third debate at this stage. is that what you're saying? >> maybe not the third debate, but we feel very confident we'll get on the fourth debate stage. >> the issue is if you've qualified for the third, you're guaranteed into the fourth, the dnc says. but if you haven't made the third, you can still get in. the question is if you're not in the third. i guess you have to see it in the ground on the individual states because you're not getting -- >> ride. and the question for those candidate whose don't make it into the third is do you stick around. if you're not seeing any movement in the polls, why are you staying in this race. but, again, people like delaney may decide, well, i can make it

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democratic campaign. bernie sanders seizing as what he sees as a retreat from cam ma layer harris and adding, quote, i don't get to the hamptons to raise money from billionaires, sanders says and adds if he did go, he would say we must pass a medicare for all system to guarantee affordable health care for all, not just for those who can afford it. the daily beast account noted senator harris at a hamptons fund-raiser she decided to modify her health care proposal because, quote, i have not been comfortable with bernie's plan. we started the show saying primaries are usually about ideology. there you have it. >> yeah. and harris, the shot that bernie's camp had .threw at her was, well, then why did you sieven to to his plan? and harris's retort is we've seen these advisers go back and forth against each other on

twitter. harris's retort is that's what you do when you're in the senate, you sign on to multiple plans. some veiled shots potentially at warren and against the media is that he's very much trying to, in this crowded field, establish himself as the anti-establishment candidate. >> and as a purist as we do start to question medicare for all. one of the interesting things, he hassaran dodon on him on the campaign trail in iowa and this came up. >>. >> still takes money from wall street. he is the real deal. >> no names named. but among the candidates in the race who happens to be senators is elizabeth warren who at one point was a registered

republican. >>. >> yeah. she wasn't always from massachusetts. but look, all of the candidates right now are having to take digs at the other ones in subtle ways. if you go really open and start to attack a fellow department, that's not going to work well for you or for the party. you can't always just attack biden because he's the leader, right? >> look at our natural poll. you add up warren and sanders, you get biden. but susan sarandn making the point that bernie sanders is an independent. so an actress, a celebrity helps new some ways, it can be risky. >> the democrats don't want a repeat of 2016. at this point, they want

everyone unified around the idea of beating trump. so these purity tests are okay during the primary, but very quickly democrats want to be on the same page. >> thanks for joining us on "inside politics." hope to see you back here at this time tomorrow. busy news day. brianna keilar starts right now. have a great one. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. under way right now, joe biden making an extremely blunt argument for the 2020 election, essentially telling democrats on the fence to settle for her husband because he's the only one who can beat trump. isis is back just five months after the president declared the terrorist group 100% defeated. hear where and why the militants are resurging. plus, the white house juices the economy that would balloon the deficit and yet again, another group of american high school students seen