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new lifeline. he will be back. >> barack obama knew who i was. he chose me and said it was the best decision. >> he couldn't get his central message about what he wanted to do with this country. that wasn't good enough for 2020. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is a special edition of "new day." we are live in detroit. it is the morning after. the morning after the democratic debate. it was bruising here on cnn. particularly for former vice president joe biden. just about every other candidate on the stage was attacking one aspect of biden's record or another. you got the sense that joe biden was ready. some of the analysis this morning, maybe he didn't thrive. but he survived. and one key question we will ask is he is stronger front runner this morning or a weaker front runner than going in?

>> senator kamala harris came out swinging. she landed some blows on biden, but she had a tougher time when she was the target. harris was challenged on her record as a prosecutor. we have a lot of key moments from the night two face-off to show you and dissect. let's begin with athena jones. she joins us now we the highlights. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. as we all expected, joe biden was the top target on the stage that night taking fire from health care to tough on crime laws, women in the workplace, immigration, trade, climate change. as promised, the vice president was more aggressive in fighting back last night. he delivered a steadier performance if not a spectacular one as compared to the first debate in miami. it didn't take long for senator kamala harris and all of the democratic rivals on stage to pounce on joe biden. >> mr. vice president, you want

to be president of the united states. you need to be able to answer the tough questions. >> mr. vice president, your argument is not with me, it's with science. and unfortunately your plan is just too late. >> if you want to compare records and frankly i'm shocked that you do, i am happy to do that. >> mr. vice president, you didn't answer my question. >> reporter: but biden came swinging too. >> i have guts enough to say his plan doesn't make sense. you can't beat donald trump with double talk. >> reporter: the former vice president slamming harris' health care plan bringing back one of his old catch phrases. >> this idea is a bunch of malarkey we're talking about here. i don't know what math you do in california, but i tell you, that's a lot of money. >> reporter: harris hitting back. >> your plan by contrast leaves out almost 10 million americans. so i think that you should really think about what you're saying. >> reporter: after senator cory booker brought up biden's support of a controversial crime bill in the '90s. biden lashing out. >> the bill he talks about that

in our administration we passed. we passed that bill you added onto. and the fact of the matter is, secondly, there was nothing done for the entire eight years he was mayor. there was nothing done to deal with the police department that was corrupt. >> mr. vice president, there's a saying in my community. you're dipping into the kool-aid and you don't even know the flavor. you need to come to the city of newark and see the reforms we put in place. this isn't about the past. this is about the present. >> reporter: julian castro also sparring with biden on decriminalizing border crossings. >> if you cross the border illegally, you should be able to be sent back. it's a crime. >> it looks like one of us has learned the lessons of the past and one of us hasn't. >> reporter: biden wasn't the only one taking jabs from the contenders. gabbard slammed harris as a prosecutor. >> she put 1500 people in jail

for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. and she fought to keep the bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way. >> i did the work of significantly reforming the criminal justice system of a state of 40 million people which became a national model for the work that needs to be done. and i am proud of that work. and i am proud of the decision not to just give fancy speeches and give speeches on a floor but actually doing the work. >> reporter: some 2020 hopefuls were tired of talking about the past. >> this is the fourth debate that we have had and the second time that we have been debating what people did 50 years ago with busing. when our schools are as segregated today as they were 50 years ago. we need a conversation about what's happening now. >> reporter: political outsider andrew yang implored his rivals to stop attacking each other and take aim at president trump. >> we're up here with makeup on

our faces and our rehearsed attack lines playing roles in this reality tv show. it's one of the reasons we elected a reality tv star as our president. we need to be laser focused on solving the real challenges of today. >> reporter: the question now is who, if any will get a meaning f fflful will get a lasting bump from their performance. several of the candidates we saw last night are staying here in the roadway today. biden has an event at a restaurant in detroit. harris has a union event in the afternoon. and cory booker has an organizing event. alisyn? >> okay. thank you for playing us all of those highlights. really helpful for us to talk about it. so joining us now are mitche landrieu, dennis archer, and

lavore barnes. mayor landrieu, i want to start with you. i don't know if you sent out a tweet before or during the debate. i want to read a portion of it. the dem debate participants must remember our ultimate goal is to defeat donald trump. our policy differences are minor compared to the contrast with donald trump. i'm not sure they got the memo. >> maybe they didn't. but they were fierce competitors as they should be. i would just say again, the general advice is you've got to beat trump. and in order to govern, you got to win. and in order to win you got to beat trump. >> did you feel there was too much friendly fight last night? >> in both debates, everybody was hard on the promise to prosecute their case. i think everybody's record is in place. at the oend the day when they're fighting about health care, they have to remember to say republicans the trying to take away the health care and we're trying to give it to you. i thought it was an aggressive debate last night.

a couple people shined and a couple didn't. >> who shined? >> i think cory booker shined. julian castro, michael bennet. i think the vice president is going to do better than others thought. he kind of gave back a little bit more. i was a little bit surprised at kamala harris. she was a little bit less than she was in the first debate. and i agree that after this debate, the herd is going to start getting thin fairly quickly. so by the time we get to september, probably only ten of these candidates are going to be standing on that stage. >> lavore you were nodding a lot. why were you giving so much affirmation to that? >> we have to beat him. they were ready to talk about each other's issues. but we need to talk more about what donald trump has done to this nation and state and city and how we're going to win and beat him. and the way they can each beat him is to begin talking about these issues now. not wait until they've won a

nomination. >> so when you saw that as the head of the michigan democratic party, were you cringing? >> i wanted to shout a little bit. i'm not allowed to shout from the audience, i learned. but let's talk about what republicans have done. these issues are real when you're talking about health care like mitch just said. why aren't you talking about what republicans have done to health care rather than going back and forth? and the tiny differences in your health care plans. >> what do you think they were thinking? >> i think they were thinking, let me tell my story. i need to get my story out. people need to understand my position and how i differ from my friends on the stage. and i get that, that's part of the job. but the big job here is beating donald trump. >> governor, your take? >> i think joe biden did what he had to do last night. all the candidates went after him. he knocked off most of the arguments against him. sop he moves on. he's still the front run per. i agree i think kamala, it was a

tough attack by gabbard on her. i agree we've got to get into decisions of how we're going to make people's lives better. that first 20 minutes on health care was mind numbing. i don't think any american watched that and said i know what's going to happen now. we've got to be explicit. how are we going to bring prescription drug prices down? people are going to begin voting in five months. the early vote starts in january. we've got to start laying out a positive, specific agenda. and i agree. look what trump's done to health care. he got rid of the individual mandate, some policies went up 62%. he owns problems with health care in this country. let's make sure he owns it. >> they didn't mention pre-ex t pre-existing conditions last night. and right now the president's team is at the fifth circuit court to strip away the affordable care act. they need to talk about how the president is taking away health care. >> mayor, your takeaways from

last night? >> i thought everybody wanted to show something about them that people would remember. for example, the kool-aid observation. >> do you understand the kool-aid observation? there's been a lot of controversy on our set. >> listen, i've been around a long time. i have never heard anything about kool-aid. that's not something that i'm familiar with. >> interesting. >> i admit i don't know everything, but that's one thing i've not heard whatsoever. >> okay. so that was not an effective argument for you. >> well, everybody did what they had to do. i'm just delighted that you all have done just a fabulous job in terms of having people on talking about the issues. then we saw the candidates last night. and i agree with both mitch and the governor. when you start thinking about what joe biden did -- you think about all of the people that

he's helped on that stage in terms of winning their respective elections, and what he's done for the country. and he took a whole lot of body blows but stood tall. we've got great candidates to offer to make sure that in 2020 we take back the white house. and we're going to do it but we've got to do it in such a way that you don't alienate your friends. because if you go after biden in such a way that people think you're going after president obama, you then have an impact on voters of color. because they're not going to go with that and you run the risk of staying home. please remember what happened with president obama was giving a state of the union and congressman wilson called the president a liar during that -- during his remarks. that really hurt them. because people came out -- you go to barbershop and beauty

shop, you get beat if you start talking about president obama. that's the same kind of thing we need at the end of the day to bring everybody out. we need to make sure everybody's energized to keep 45 from getting a real -- >> the first attacks on biden were obama policies. the issue of health care and deportati deportation. president obama has a 95% approval rating in the democratic party. when you go after his policies, you're going after president obama. and that was tricky. that's why i think the first attacks on biden didn't work. >> one of the other things, we're in the great city of detroit. that six, seven years ago was on its back. like new york was in 1976. and president obama and vice president biden came to this city and said diversity is a strength and helped it stand back up. just like in the city of new orleans. they would never say about new orleans and detroit what president trump has said about baltimore. that message that gets sent out

is we don't care about you and you're less than human. democrats and really most americans understand that that is not who we are as a country. and detroit, mr. mayor has done a great job. thank you for having us. >> doesn't this city look great? this is terrific. >> everyone is talking about that. lavora, to that point. and i'm thinking about mccomb county, the counties in this swing state that are swing counties. one of the things i'm hearing this morning is, well, if president obama was too far right for the democratic party, what does that say about the democratic? how would you respond to that as the chair of the party in this state? >> president obama is not too far right for the democratic party. the thing we have to do is talk about the issues that matter. the kitchen table issues that matter to everyone in this state and in this country. and we need to talk about them at the same time we're talking about the urban issues that are important. same time we're talking about clean water, same time we're talking about health care. the same time we're talking about all the issues that matter to all of us.

one of my concerns is that we're trying to separate so that we are either talking to the voters of mccomb or detroit. we're going to talk to everybody. we have to have the same message for everybody. we've all been marginalized. we need to come together and talk about all the issues that work for all of us. >> i was surprised last night that a number of the candidates on that stage did not bother to say what the senate majority leader mcmcconnell has suppressed coming out of the united states senate. you're talking about, for example, infrastructure. our newly elected governor, outstanding. she's doing a great job. fix the damn roads was her message. well, all across the united states if there was not a meeting in the adams hotel before the inauguration of president obama where mitch

mcconnell made it clear obama would be a one-term president, you think about all the programs that could have been implemented. but he stopped them. right now he's got a number of issues before him in the united states senate and they blocked them. what that says to me, if we want help, if we want change, we got to make change across the border. we want somebody who's got the wisdom, the knowledge, and experience to make sure that happens. and we also have to relieve mr. mcconnell of his job. >> it sounds like you all think the candidates missed opportunities on messaging last night. mayor, that leads to what changed, if anything? >> i think that's okay to debate. the debates were too long as a general matter. but they're going to get better at what they do. you saw from the first debate a lot of the candidates change. that's just the harsh race. it's okay for them to go after each other if they remember they have to think about beating

donald trump. as i said, the stage is going to get smaller in september. they're going to have a little bit more time to talk about each other. all of them are going to go back and look at the tape and think about things they missed. again, from our perspective, i think just stay focused on the prize. beat president trump. and whatever you have to do to do that, that's what we should be doing. infrastructure, health care, education, how to get a job so you don't have to work three jobs and not being able to go to your kids' game and pay your mortgage, all of those things are people want across class and race and geography. diversity is a strength. it's not a weakness. that's who we are. >> you talked about joe biden taking it from all sides in that debate and you think he survived. there is a question about the next one. on the next debate most certainly he'll be there with elizabeth warren. they've been at political odds for a long time. it's not a new thing.

do you think he'll be able to handle that? how will he handle that? >> that's a good question. the next debate is going to be fascinating. i think people want to see the biden/warren matchup. if you look at the two debates we had here, who is the big winner? she talked about specifics. what i loved about elizabeth warren like cory booker last night, she was a happy warrior. she looked at her, she's talking specific about issues. she can take on donald trump and do it with a smile. so i think the next debate for joe biden is going to be, you know, warren's going to be in that. warren's going to be in that. that's where he has to show he has a plan for the future. i'm tired of hearing about the past. i don't want to hear about busing four years ago. i want to know today what are you doing about fixes the damn roads. i want to know about bringing prescription drug prices down. that's the challenge for us democrats as we go forward. we've got to get more specific into the issues. let's stop the attack on one another. now is the time to lay that positive agenda. we're going to beat trump. there's no question.

you look at michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. we lost by 77,000 votes total. you know, i remind you, 92 million people did not vote in 2016. they stayed home. a lot of them are not staying home. they're coming out. we're going to win michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. hard for trump to win. he's created chaos. democrats will get people up to fix it. >> friends, thank you very much for all of the analysis. it's great to have you here with us this morning. thanks for all the hospitality in detroit. >> thank you for the great job you have done. meanwhile, we have four more presidential candidates who were on the stage last night coming up on our program. we have senators michael bennet, kirsten gillibrand, kamala harris, and cory booker. up first, senator michael bennet. he had what many are calming a strong debate performance. you heard it in this panel right here. will that lead to a jump in the polls? will it get him on the next

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for the last three years, we've been consumed by a president who frankly doesn't give a damn about your kids or mine. mr. president, kids belong in classrooms, not cages. and they deserve something better than a bully in the white house. >> that's colorado senator michael bennett going after donald trump directly at last night's cnn democratic debate. president trump falsely claimed that the child separation has ended. now, senator bennet joins us this morning. senator, that statement you made combined with many of the other things you said last night seemed to indicate you wish more of the focus was on president

trump. >> i think it's very important. i mean, he is the guy that's in the white house. in my view, he has violated every tenet of our democracy you can violate. just on the racism alone, every democrat and independent in this country should throw this guy out of here. >> so was there too much of the circular firing squad last night, you know, democrat on democrat fighting? >> it's early in our democratic discussion. health care i think is a good example. my view on health care is that we passed the affordable care act. we made a difference to a lot of people. we were on defense politically for ten years. then trump tried to repeal it. we beat them and we were on offense. then bernie right away puts medicare for all and he introduces it and a bunch of the presidential candidates sign up to be on it. and i think we're on defense again on health care. which is unbelievable to me because donald trump has spent

his presidency taking health care away from millions of americans. and that's where i think we should be drawing the line here. >> we have a moment last night where you tried to talk more about health care, health insurance. so let's listen to that. >> we need to be honest about what's in this plan. it bans employer-based insurance and taxes the middle class to the tune of $30 trillion. do you know how much that is? that is 70% of what the government will collect in taxes over the next ten years. we don't need to do that. we can have -- >> i do want to get to -- i do want to bring in senator harris. he just suggested you were not being honest. >> we cannot keep with the republican talking points on this. you got to stop. >> were you saying she wasn't being honest? >> i can tell you this. these weren't republican talking points. this is bernie sanders' description of his own bill.

bernie said the other night, i wrote the damn bill and he did. and he and i have very different views about where we should head on health care. he's got an id logical commitment to nationalizing our health care industry. i understand that from that perspective. i had view is the american people want to make their decisions about whether they want to get insurace at their employer if they can or whether they want a public option. think about what he's proposing about the employees on cnn. if he got what he wanted, everybody at cnn would have to give up the insurance you get at cnn and pay a massive tax for giving that up. >> and senator kamala harris is on board with that, it sound like to you. >> yeah. and elizabeth warren is. that will not unite democrats much less allow us to win in 2020. and we don't need to do it. >> senator harris, her plan is different. because it would allow for essentially a medicare advantage option where you would be able

to get a type of private insurance, maybe not your insurance. you don't like her plan either? >> well, there are a couple things. one, that's an advance on medicare advantage. bernie's plan takes that away from 22 million older american who is have medicare advantage and love it. so i think senator harris and her latest iteration of her plan says i'm going to let it remain in some form. but she is still making insurance that you get at your employer illegal. and she's saying that it will take at least ten years to get to universal health care in this country. you guys have seen what the debate has been over the last ten years in health care. i mean, i think if we just have a public option, we can get to universal health care in this country in two years. so it seems to me that building on the affordable care act, the work that we've already done, not taxing the middle class in this country at a rate that they will never accept is where we

should head. >> so how do you think last night went? did you accomplish whatever you went out to do? >> yeah. i think it went well. i wanted to have a discussion about medicare for all. and the public option. i think it's important for people to understand that important distinction before we go into the general election. i was lad to have some conversation about dealing with our education system in this country. unfortunately for kids today, our systems reinforce the income inequality we have instead of liberating people from it. the best predictor of your education quality is your parents' income. we need to change that. >> the next debate has a very hgh donor threshold. where do you stand right now? >> we're not there yet. but on the other hand -- and i think we will get there. i have always had tough races.

you know, colorado is a purple state. it's exactly a third republican, democratic, and independent. i always barely win. and it's always a matter of one step in front of the other. i think we are going to need to nominate somebody who's from the middle of the country, not from the coast. so i'm going to -- as i always do, just try to outwork everybody. and i think we'll succeed. >> you're almost wearing it as a badge of honor. >> it's true. you know what? actually, it's true. it's very different to have one of these jobs when you're in a state where, you know, it's deep, deep blue or it's deep red. it's very different when it's a third, a third, a third. and i actually think it's one of the reasons why people in my state have so little patience with the partisan politics that we're seeing in washington. >> do you think that some of this discussion to that point isn't reaching some of those voters who aren't on the extremes? >> well, for those voters, this thing hasn't even started yet. you know, for people that are raising their families, building

their businesses, trying to do something useful for their community, this is not going to be something that they tune into for months. and every journey starts with single step. and that's where we are today. >> senator michael bennet, thanks for stopping by "new day." great to have you. we'll be watching closely. >> thank you. all right. she had one of the best zingers of the night. >> the first thing i'm going to do when i'm president is i'm going to clorox the oval office. >> did senator kirsten gillibrand do enough to secure her position on the next debate stage? we'll talk to her next.

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i can talk to those white women in the suburbs that voted for trump and explain to them what white privilege is. when their son is walking down the street wearing a hoodie, his whiteness is what protects him from not being shot. >> all right. that was kirsten gillibrand making the case she can connect with voters of various backgrounds and build a coalition that would lead to her victory in 2020. senator gillibrand joins us now. welcome. have you had any sleep from right now? >> no. >> literally none? >> four hours. that's enough. >> you had some memorable moments last night as did most of the candidates on the stage. how do you think last night went. >> i think it was a great opportunity for me to really talk about this false choice i

think the conversation is leading to. they either have to have a progressive with a big idea or a moderate who can get those obama trump voters. and the truth is you need somebody who can do both. i think i laid out that i can do both and i have done both. i bring people together and i get a lot done. >> one of the big criticisms of the discussion right now in general in the democratic field is you're not talking about president trump enough. you're not taking on his policies enough. you're too focused on each other. >> i just finished a bus tour in ohio, pennsylvania, and michigan. it was called the trump broken promises bus tour. it was to speak directly to the voters about the broken promises he made. he lied about no bad trade deals. he not only got us into a trade war with china, but nafta 2.0. it's not good. the fact he said he'd lower prescription drug prices under

his presidency and they've only gone up. the fact he said he wouldn't touch social security or medicare -- medicaid or medicare. and he's attacked them. the truth is he's lied. so the way to beat trump, i showed them. you go into his back yard, talk to his voters about how he misled them and how he's not helping them ten miles from here in warren, michigan. another plant has closed. more jobs are being lost. i was in youngstown, ohio. i can tell you what it's like to be in a town where the community's been gutted and people have been laid off, some by text message. others given 24 hours to decide whether to move to another state with their families just to keep a job. >> but on the stage last night, was there too much friendly fire? >> no. i think the nature of the questions, we're tryingto get to the nitty-gritty of policy. one of the points i made is let's not lose the forest through the trees.

we as democrats are trying to make sure people have health care as a right and not a pr privile privilege. there's a lot of ways to get there. the republican party is working on taking health care away from people. telling insurers you don't have to cover people with pre-existing conditions. >> on the friendly fire issue, on the issue of forest or trees, some critics will look at last night and you did take on joe biden and something from his past. let's play this moment where you were discussing an op-ed that he wote about child tax credits. let's listen. >> what did you mean when you said when a woman works outside the home, it's resulting in, coat, the deterioration of family? and that we are voiding -- these are quotes. it was the title of the op-ed. >> so this was 1981, first of all. so this was a long time ago. the biden campaign said he wasn't opposed to a child tax

care credit itself. he was opposed to the credit being made to people making the equivalent today of over $88,000. >> right. which is middle class. squarely middle class. but the point he made in the op-ed which is what disturbed me the most is that he felt he wasn't going to participate in middle class affordable child care because it would lead to, quote, the deterioration of family, end of quote. and he went so far as to say parents were, quote, avoiding responsibility. i'm a work who works outside the home for both my children. i'm the primary wage earner and the primary caregiver. and as a member of congress, i had my second son henry who was in the audience last night. to say to me i'm avoiding my responsibility because i had access to affordable day care, to say to me that i'm deteriorating the family. the reason why it's relevant today and let's be very clear, is because we have a misogynist in the white house right now who's done an assault on

reproductive freedom and demeaning and devaluing women. women have been marching against trump since he took the white house. we took back the house. we need to know that the nominee does not believe that today. and so i very simply asked him, what did you mean when you said that and do you still believe it today? he couldn't answer the question. he finally said, oh, i never believed it. well, those are his words. he wrote them. >> but fact checkers say he wasn't singling out women, that they should stay home. that he was talking about parents at this particular income bracket. >> give me a break. who in 1981 was going to be staying home to watch the children? it's obvious. typically in most families women. women are still primary caregivers. >> it was in the '70s for a period of time joe biden. he was a single parent for a long time. >> understood. and we respect him as a parent. we respect him as a public

servant. i just wanted clarity what he meant when he said it then and does he believe it today? we have women now that must work and many want to help their communities. whether we're nurses or doctors or teachers or members of congress. to say our work is somehow deteriorating the family i think is an outrageous statement. but worse to say we're avoiding responsibility. i just need to know our nominee is going to be champion of national paid leave, affordable child care. i'm the only one to lay out a plan to make sure people that want to be parents can be parents. >> let's listen to his response to that attack last night. >> you came to syracuse university with me and said it was wonderful. i'm passionate about the concern making sure women are treated equally. i don't know what's happened except that you're now running

for president. >> what's your response to that? basically he's saying you used to be an ally of his. you used to belief in the things he believes in or says he believes in and now you've changed. >> i'm still an ally of vice president biden. and i am still someone who values him and admires him. i don't think he answered the question. he was just avoiding my request of what did you mean when you said it, do you still believe it today. because again, we need a nominee who's going to be a champion for women. women are the heart and soul of this party. >> your campaign has said you had one of your best fund raising days in a long time over the last 24 hours. i do want to know, if a candidate is not on the debate stage in september, is that candidate still viable? because you have not yet qualified for the senz ptember debates. >> that's why i'm on your show. hopefully your viewers go to kirstengillibrand.com and send that $1 to get me on the stage.

>> candidates not on that stage, can they be a viable candidate? >> we don't really know. i just know i'm going to make that debate stage especially with the help of your viewers. >> kirsten gillibrand, great to have you. thank you for stopping by "new day." >> thank you. >> we'll be watching closely what happens now. coming up in a few minutes, two of the other candidates who were on that stage tonight. so many getting attention this morning. kamala harris and cory booker. they will join us. ( ♪ )

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consumers. the u.s. economy is strong. it's unusual to cut rates in a strong economy. but the fed saying this is insurance against damage from the president's trade war, low inflation, and slowing global growth. the president for months has demanded these lower rates. most recently demanding a big rate cut. he has insulted and rage tweeted about the fed and the fed chief. but jerome powell said pressure from trump did not factor into the fed's decision. >> i never take into account political considerations. there's no place in our discussions for that. we also don't conduct monetary policy in order to prove our independence. we conduct monetary policy in order to move as close as possible to our statutory goals. we're always going to use our tools that way. then at the end we'll live with the results. >> again, inflation is too low. there are risks growing around the world. with the rate cut in hand, the president still criticized the fed tweeting the fed chair had let us down saying, look at

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african-american voters are an important demographic in the democratic party. but just how crucial is the black vote to winning the nomination. let's get to cnn politics writer and analyst harry henton. you've been looking at these numbers specifically. >> i've been dig deep into them. african-americans make up about 20% of the democratic electorate. so what we know is if you want to win a democratic nomination you probably need to win among african-american voters and that's part of the reason joe biden is winning right now. he's at 50% among them. no one is even close to him right now. kamala harris who's in second place, she's only at 12% among them and pretty much everyone else is in single digits including the senator from new

jersey, cory booker who's only at 1%. let's take a look how big a difference they're making. i recent quinnipiac poll among african-americans and then everyone else. what do we see? we see joe biden leads right now. among nonblack voters he's only ahead by 12. basically you'd take a race that was sort of competitive and make it very competitive. he'd have a lead, but he has a huge lead because of african-american voters. >> that's exactly right. he has a huge lead among them and that gives him the large lead he has in the primary. >> if you want to understand how important the african-american voters look at the 2016 results. if you were to look at nonblack voters you basically have a tie between. you'd see hillary clinton won by

50 points, some study even have it higher than that. and that basically gave her a huge, huge margin. the reason why is because of african-american voters. >> give us had historic context we should look at. >> i went back -- so steve kornacki, we have these great electoral discussions. and there are two big patterns that come out. number one, no one has run the democratic primary without winning the african-american vote since 1998. so pretty much clinton, gore, kerry, obama, they won it overwhelmingly. and african-americans they tend to vote as a group. they're a very reliable block, and that's the block you need in a democratic field.

>> and when you move forward and talk about the general election the margins there matter a lot. >> so winning a primary is one thing but then you have to win a general election. we saw key midwestern swing states of wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, what did we see? you see hillary clinton won them by 80 plus points in all those states. but that was down significantly how barack obama did that. if hillary clinton had had the same margins that barack obama did among african-american voters did in the midwest, she would have won those states and the election. not just win them by say 85 points but win them by 90 to 95 points. i think the other thing you need to know is you do need a candidate that will strengthen the support among young african-american voters.

we saw that in milwaukee and philadelphia, is there a democratic candidate who can boost that african-american turn out. that's key. there's no kicker today. i would just say i love the city of detroit. it's treated us very, very well and i'm going to miss it. >> we second that. >> detroit says you're welcome, i guess. okay, two 2020 candidates senator calm lah harris and cory booker are going to join us in the next hour. and "new day" continueses right now. >> i am proud of not just making fancy speeches but doing the work. >> we need to do everything we can to start moving the climate in the right direction. >> you're dipping into kool-aid and you don't even know the flavor. >> folks are making a mistake by not pursuing impeachment. the mueller report clearly details he deserves it.

>> mr. president, kids belong in classrooms, not cages. >> everybody knows who donald trump is. we have to let him know who we are. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." it is turning into a beautiful morning here in detroit, our last morning here in detroit, sadly. >> you keep saying that. >> you have forgotten you live somewhere else. >> i don't ever remember not being in detroit. >> it is thursday, 8:00 in detroit. so joe biden seemed to have a bulls eye on him at last night's cnn debate. the former vice president was attacked on all sides. but unlike the first debate biden seemed ready this time. he was prepared, he was energetic. so is he a stronger front-runner now than he was going into the debate? what really changed last night? >> and the former