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>> donors were shocked to hear the former president say about cruz, i just don't like the guy. more on way said in a moment. we begin with dana bash this latest poll, trump and carson on top again. is this just the way it's i going to be? one of these two will be the nominee? >> other candidates in the lower rung drop out and the anti-trump/anti-carson vote can consolidate behind one of them, it's probably going to be like this. what is most stunning, you put up those numbers, about 2/3 of voters in the republican party right now, they support either
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trump or carson as their first or second candidate. also there is enthusiasm for them. to give you context for that, about 30% of trump's voters are enthusiastic about him. jeb bush's voters, these are jeb bush supporters, 3% say they are enthusia enthusiastic about him. >> that is bad news. does that vote go to carson and trump? you talk about people that had their moment. carly fiorina had that amazing performance in the debate. she surged and was getting up there with them. now almost lower than anyone. >> the surge is over, at least for right now. it is stunning. she is down 11 points. she went from 15% just last month to 4%. you see that on the screen. if you dive deeper into this poll and look at where she has
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fallen, it's across the board when it comes to the voters. with women she is down 11%. with men 12%, independent republicans 18%. conservatives 15%. it's not great news for her. some people are saying well maybe it's because she hasn't been out there. she has been keeping a low profile, which if you're riding a wave, you want to stay on top of it and not go underneath it. >> interesting. thank you, dana bash. also tonight, we are learning that george w. bush will hit the washington, d.c. fund-raising circuit. he will be headlining an event for his brother's presidential campaign. this comes as news surfaces that george w. bush made a shocking statement at another fund-raiser in denver telling a room full of major donors point blank who he doesn't like. he did not mince words. athena jones is "out front." >> george w. bush slamming ted cruz. the fire brand texas senator
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gunning for his own job and running against his little brother jeb. the former president surprised a roomful of donors sunday night saying of cruz, i don't like good night. so just how concerned is george bush about cruz? a man who once worked for him. cruz met his wife during bush's 2000 campaign. when asked about the remarks, a spokesman for the form irpresident didn't deny them, but did say the first words out of president bush's mouth on sunday night were that jeb is going to earn the nomination, win the election and be a great president. he does not view senator cruz as a serious rival to governor bush's candidacy. cruz begs to differ saying in a statement, it's no surprise that president bush is supporting his brother and attacking the candidates he believes pose a threat to his campaign. while he's trailing jeb bush in most recent polls, cruz is holding his own when it comes to fund-raising. bringing in $12 million in the
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third quarter just behind bush's $13.4 million. cruz is attracting top dollar donors like ferries and dan wilkes who have given $15 million to cruz' super pac. fund-raising will be key if bush wants a shot at being the nominee in the face of weak poll numbers. while george bush is popular with republicans, 88% have a favorable view of him, the campaign says they haven't yet decided how much they'll use him. jeb dodging the question in iowa earlier this month. >> i'm happy he's supporting me. >> reporter: front-runner donald trump is doing his best to make george bush part of the 2016 story. >> when you talk about george bush, say what you want, the world trade center came down during his time. >> reporter: prompting a sharp review from the former florida governor. >> my governor responded to a crisis and he did it as you
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would hope a president would do. >> reporter: for now, bush's brotherly support is focused on fund-raising online and off. bush '43 hosted five fund raisers for jeb and will join his father george h.w. bush and mother at a donor retreat for him at the end of the month in houston. so the money race continues. one more thing about that sunday fund-raiser where george bush spoke. a donor who was there told my colleague that the crowd was optimistic about jeb's prospects, but everyone understands it's going to be a long haul and a tough fight to win the nomination. >> that is for sure. thank you very much, athena. i want to go to national sp spokesman for the bush/cheney campaign and ben ferguson. terry, bush is going after cruz. he said, i just don't like the guy, and at the same dinner, also said that cruz is only
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running for president for personal gain. these are personal things. it was more than one thing. bush knows cruz, cruz worked on his campaign. george w. bush is so careful. doesn't talk badly about anyone since leaving office. what does he know about ted cruz? >> he's known him for a long time. he can know a lot of things we don't know. he didn't go into it. ultimately, i'm shocked about this. one texas politician doesn't like another. it is about par for the course. >> it's just not the president's style since he left office. >> it has been -- you're right about that. it has been a long time since we heard too much of george w. bush's opinions, but remember, he's a very plains spoken man. he's not afraid to buck the conventional wisdom or public opinion or whatever is in his way of expressing himself. we should remember whether or not we think this was a good
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idea today, he's the last guy in the republican party to have achieved the national office, to be elected president. you may not like it and you may be a ted cruz supporter, but he's the last guy that won and everybody else has fallen short. i would be cautious before we say he made a big mistake about this. >> i think this is inside baseball most honest voters are not going to care about. a lot of this goes back to ted cruz going to war with the gop establishment. a lot goes back to going to war and karl rove going to war with ted cruz. george bush is a loyal guy. that's why i admire him so much. if you mess with his people, he's going to fight back. ted cruz is not only messing with top advisors including karl rove, but messing with his brother. i don't think this was a smart political move.
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ted cruz made a career off being the anti-establishment guy. he's been the outsider who wasn't supposed to win that race. he wasn't supposed to have influence in washington. he wasn't supposed to -- >> he doesn't. >> he has a platform to run for president. he walks into a room -- hold on. all politicians are opportunists. they all are saying -- >> i haven't. >> they might say they are going to run for officend be a big person. ted cruz can fill a room in texas, he's loved in texas. ted cruz is a threat to jeb bush. that what is this is about. >> look at george w. bush's approval rating, among republicans 88%. among a plurality, he has majority approval rating. that would shock people thinking
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of him similarly with the iraq war. is jeb too much of a dead fish? >> leaving aside jeb being a dead fish for a minute, go back to the poll. george w. bush is not ted cruz's problem. donald trump is. ben carson is. the wing of the republican party that he's been appealing to with his shut down the government, anti-immigration, marginally racist remarks about american latinos, this is a guy who's been big-footed by donald trump. george w. bush is not his problem at this point. >> donald trump keeps going after jeb bush. >> i watched jeb bush yesterday. he can't even put on a tie and jacket. he's running for president.
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this guy can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. he's terrible. he's terrible. he's weak on immigration. let's assume a very low-energy person, very, very low energy, so low energy that every time you watch him you fall asleep. so let's say jeb becomes president. >> jeb bush, the only major gop candidate republicans have an unfavorable view on. donald trump likes to take personal credit for this is it true? have people internalized things from donald trump? >> this is about being nonestablishment candidate. many people believe that jeb bush was mitt romney or john mccain 2.0. he was the establishment's pick. i think he made a big bad decision early on. he should have come out with his brother more in public. he should be on stage with him and traveling as much as his
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brother is willing to. people love george bush. they really do. especially conservatives. they still love him. they love him for how he protected us after 9/11. soon as those cheap shots were taken at jeb and george bush by donald trump, they should have been on tv together doing an event together talking out in public. >> come on. >> he's his biggest asset and use it. >> donald trump is pushing everybody out of the race because he's a celebrity star that insults people personally. >> you and i agree on that. >> my president did fall into that trap today, but ultimately this election cycle with donald trump in it, he's the thing everybody has to come to reckon with. this today, ted cruz got maybe a little bump out of it because somebody important mentioned him. >> all right. thank you very much, both of you. >> live pictures as we are stand
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you're looking live at the four seasons hotel in washington. at that podium, vice president joe biden will appear moments away. he is going to be speaking. everyone watching every word he says now. this is coming, as he tells a totally new version of his role in the bin laden raid, amidst all the speculation he will run for the white house. >> reporter: joe biden spent the day reminding people he's one heart beat away from the presidency. >> best decision of my political career was to join the president. >> reporter: flexing his vice presidential muscles like rarely before. invoking the killing of obama bin laden. >> everybody went around the room.
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only two people were definitive and were absolutely certain, leon panetta said go and bob gates has already publically said this, don't go. >> reporter: old disagreements from the situation room could flare up in a potential democratic presidential race. >> as we walked out the room and walked upstairs, i told him my opinion he should go but follow his own instincts. >> reporter: a seemingly reversal from a road he was thought to have played opposing the raid. making it clear he had the last word with the president, not secretary of state hillary clinton who long said she advised the president to authorize the high-stakes raid. >> i was one who recommended to the president he go ahead. his advisors were split because it was a very risky operation. >> reporter: biden said he had a hand in every decision, even choosing clinton as secretary of state. >> you have veto right on anybody in this cabinet. >> reporter: for biden, time is
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running short. he has nine days to qualify for the ballot in georgia followed by deadlines in alabama and texas. even his new polls show biden in a distant third and more democrats say he shouldn't run, his campaign-in a waiting roars on. >> that's the healthy part. >> reporter: he said again today he doesn't believe republicans are always the bad guys. >> i don't think my chief enemy is the republican party. this is a matter of making things work. >> reporter: a not-so-subtle jab at this moment from last week's democratic debate when hillary clinton was asked to name her enemies. >> in addition to the nra, health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians, probably the republicans. >> reporter: vice president is going to great lengths to show he would be the heir apparent to president obama, not hillary clinton. if he runs, he knows he would
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need that obama coalition of supporters that swept him into office twice. the person stuck in the middle here, that's president obama who may not be thrilled about the idea of biden running, but one advisor tells me tonight, he would sit uncomfortably on the sidelines. >> he don't like to be on the sidelines. those two would force him there. thank you. "out front" former senior advisor for president obama, dan phifer and fox reporter jonathan allen. so far the narrative has been clear. at least publically. joe biden was against the raid. that's what we keep hearing. the president referred to that point of view in a debate with mitt romney. in private, was joe biden for it as the version he is now telling it indicates or not? >> i wasn't in the situation room that day when the decision was made. what i think the vice president was saying is that he told the president he would back the president on his decision and
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the vice president's description is a familiar role i've seen the vice president play in many decisions over the years. it does speak to the fact even though he's not yet a candidate, he is getting candidate-level scrutiny from the press. he's to be more precise how he says these things or get in the race sooner than later. >> in terms of getting in the race, let me ask you about this. a new poll shows 30% democrats want biden to run. that is a low rate. 40%, close to it, 38%, do not want him to run. fewer democrats want him to jump in. why is this? >> i think number one the democrats seem to be fairly comfortable with their field at the moment. the last 24 hours hadn't helped biden making the argument republicans aren't the enemy and dick cheney is a good man is not a good way to win a democratic primary. >> he said he works with republicans. >> that is not necessarily the best way to win the democratic
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primary. you heard the roar of approval for clinton in the debate when she said republicans were her enemy. >> joe biden could hurt clinton, maybe not as you're saying, but her own husband could hurt her, too. i have to play for both of you something donald trump released about bill clinton. >> he's a master brander. >> the most interesting character out there. there is a macho appeal to saying i'm just sick of nothing happening, i make things happen, vote for me. and i like him. >> what do you make about that? that is a good campaign ad. >> not if you are trying to be the republican nominee, i guess. there is a lot of debate about whether bill clinton will hurt or help hillary clinton. i think he is a tremendous asset to her. when your spouse is running for president, that's complicated. more complicated when your spouse used to be president, but
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when we get down to the voting time here, hillary clinton will be in iowa, bill clinton will be in new hampshire dominating the press. when she goes to new hampshire, he will go to iowa. that is a tremendous asset. >> do you think bill clinton will regret those words? one was, i was surprised, in an interview with me when he talked about him being the most interesting character in the room. he said that to me responding to donald trump saying his wife was the worst secretary of state in american history. >> interesting may have been a euphemism for another word he might want to use at the moment. dan is right. the obama re-election campaign used bill clinton perfectly. a surrogate on the stump. he was on a leash and not doing a lot of freelancing. if she prevents him from giving off-the-cuff remarks to reporters, he ends up being a big asset, being able to go to places she can't during the campaign and doubling the
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presence of the clinton campaign around the country. that is a huge advantage. >> this weekend we'll see bill clinton on the campaign trail and george w. bush. that will be interesting. thank you both. "out front" donald trump and ben carson requesting secret service protection. carson saying there are significant threats against him. what are they? >> on the hunt for el chapo. martin savidge in mexico on the drug lord's trail. live on the ground tonight. hi i'm heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. our truck? it's touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. farmer: let's go boy. again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. excuse me miss, have you seen our truck? you just missed it. ahhh! aw man are you kiddin' me? which allergyeees.
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wherever they appear. both requesting secret service protection. so far their security left to a small number of private security guards. former secret service agent dan bongino says the agency doesn't require much to justify the need. >> the threat stream against mr. carson was likely significant. keep in mind, it's not necessarily a matter of quantity. it could just be, i hate to use the term quality, i don't mean that in a better or worse way, but the threat, one threat from a legitimate terrorist group that's deemed critical is all they really need to say listen, this guy really needs protection. >> reporter: campaign spending reports show trump spent over $50,000 on security in the last three months. carson just $2,100. carson, the only black candidate in the race, appears unconcerned about his security. >> i don't feel the need for it, quite frankly, but the secret service thinks i need it.
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>> reporter: trump expressed a passing concern when he visited the mexican border to take on immigration. last week the front-runner seemed to complain he wasn't getting secret service protection. >> personally, i think if obama were doing as well as me, he would have had secret service one year ago. >> reporter: trump's right in part. the secret service began protecting then senator obama very early, on may 3, 2007, about a year and a half before the election. after receiving multiple threats, many racially motivated. but the burden is on the candidate to ask for protection early in the campaign. then the secretary of homeland security, along with a congressional panel, approve the request based in part on some degree of prominence in the polls, actively campaigning and entered in at least ten primaries qualify for at least $100,000 in matching funds, and $10 million in contributions. >> each candidate is going to have a core number of what we
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call body men. it could be anywhere from 5 to 20 to 50. >> my wife and i prepare for a new administration. >> the assassination of presidential candidate robert kennedy during a campaign event celebrating two primary victories in june 1968, moved congress to expand protection to major candidates. currently, hillary clinton is the only candidate getting secret service protection, but that falls under her status as a former first lady. assuming that trump and carson will soon be covered, too, both men are ready, with suggested code names that reflect their style. >> one nation. >> humble. >> the secret service authorized to protect the spouses of major presidential candidates, but only within 120 days of the general presidential election, unless there are special circumstances. the federal justification for giving so much extra security to people who haven't even been elected is, quote, maintaining
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the integrity of the democratic process and continuity of government. >> joe, thank you very much. now i want to bring in former secret service agent who protected president obama, and ronald kessler author of "first family detail." ben carson saying there are are sure there have been, his words, significant threats against him. where do you think they are coming from? >> he would know, he would receive them. mitt romney was receiving one threat a day when he finally got secret service protection. if it's anything like barack obama, it would be racial threats, not necessarily political, but real racists who go on internet websites, and also possibly isis or muslim terrorists who don't like what he said about the president should not be a muslim, though
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later tried to walk that back. >> he is saying they are significant. you've been there. you protected president obama who was getting 30 threats a day as joe johns was reporting. the stress and fear of that situation must have been incredible. what is the biggest challenge keeping a ben carson or donald trump safe? you've got 10,000, 20,000 people at these rallies. >> there is a balance between the protection that the secret service and the public access to these candidates. they are running a campaign. their campaign managers are putting them out front into the public to try to goifb them the greatest exposure. the more exposure they have, the greater the threats are going to be that are going to come towards them. >> if you are in a room with 20,000 people and donald trump, what can you possibly do if someone is intent on doing something? >> the secret service follow as strict protective methodology, whether it's donald trump, the president of the united states,
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hillary clinton, we follow a methodical protection process that ensures the public, the press -- >> if someone is in the back of a rally like that and pull a gun, you would be able to stop something like that? >> it goes to the protection process which involves a comprehensive advanced process. it's a proactive process, working with staff to understand what the events are. we are not letting guns into these events. we are devising a comprehensive security plan. >> to have there be no gun at all. >> exactly. >> you think secret service protection for donald trump is long overdue. you think he's right, how come? >> he has huge crowds. he stirs up emotions. that is a sure sign there will be an assassin thinking about pulling off a murder. keep in mind, most assassins don't perceive what they do with the threat. the real assassins just do it. as jonathan says, the first
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thing is having screening with metal detectors. have k-9 units, dogs who sniff for explosives. secret service agents have sirens, counterassaults and countersniper teams with heavy weapons. they have a tremendous array of resources private security would never have. robert kennedy did have private security and sure enough, he was assassinated. >> right. they always said going through the kitchen, perhaps that would not have happened if he had secret service. we see pictures of donald trump, sometimes there is a stage behind him. the picture there, 360 degrees. there are people behind and to his back. that is something private security would not be able to handle the same as secret service? >> correct. the secret service goes in with a very methodical process providing protection.
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donald trump is a very unique prote protectee for the secret service as he is a very unique candidate. containing donald trump and everything that goes around him will be difficult for the service. >> you think he will be getting it in the next few days? >> it sounds like they are starting to ramp up security for both carson and trump. >> i appreciate both of you taking the time. we'll see if that happens in the next week. "out front next," since his daring prison breakthrough the tunnel, el chapo has been on the run. we are live on the ground in the midst of the manhunt. a special report coming up. >> a black driver shot and killed by a policeman. his car had broken down on a florida highway. what happened? i found a better deal on prescriptions. we found lower co-pays... ...and a free wellness visit. new plan...same doctor.
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tonight live on the ground in the hunt for el chapo, the manhunt under way in mexico's drug capital. the world's most notorious drug lord narrowly evading capture in mexico days ago. he was reportedly injured after
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he fell down a small cliff while escaping authorities. el chapo has been on the run nearly 100 days after escaping mexico's highest security prison through an elaborate one-mile tunnel with this motorcycle, lights and ventilation. martin savidge is live in mexico, one of the world's most dangerous places. what is the status of the hunt tonight? >> reporter: authorities believe they are very, very close. i should temper that because they've been very, very close they said before. there is a sense of that. we can't tell you the community we are in for security reasons, partly our security and the effort to try to track down el chapo. you had to pass through a number of check points, including federal police and marines, talking about mexican marines to get in here. even though right here on the square it seems calm, it seems rather normal, there is in the air this deep sense of anticipation and angst.
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a number of people who are here had to evacuate some of the surrounding communities, some of the smaller villages because of the fighting and searching that's been taking place. they say it's simply too dangerous to live back in their homes. it is pretty much that this community is expecting something. they are not sure what it will be, whether it will be a peaceful surrender or a very violent fight to bring the notorious criminal into captivity. >> you talk about whether it could be peaceful. obviously, we know there was this close call days ago in which they pursued him and he fell off a cliff escaping maybe on an atv. the details are hazy. what do you know about that raid and his injuries? how he is able to move around? >> the mexican government has not come out completely or made themselves clear on what happened in this raid. it was october 8th. that much we do know.
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it's been very slow. part of that is because it appears the government's embarrassment over the fact he got away. we know that there were special forces, mexican special forces involved. they spotted joaquin el chapo. but he was with a child. there was a chase and he fell off a small cliff, broke his leg according to some authorities and injured his face. then his bodyguards were able to scoop him up and rush him into the dense wood here. they haven't seen him since. one time he's been spotted in a red ferrari. take that for what it's worth. >> that doesn't sound like somebody trying to keep a low profile. >> yeah. that's part of the thing here. remember, not everybody where we are thinks that he's such a bad guy. he employ as lot of people. he spreads his money around.
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not everybody is hoping that he's going to be captured. those informants are the ones working against the federal officials that are clearly trying to arrest him. it's a very dicey situation. >> martin savidge, thank you very much. i want to go straight to former chief of operations for the dea. he spent years tracking el chapo. mike, i'm sure it doesn't surprise you. martin savidge was in a region, but we are not saying the name of the town for his safety and the safety of the hunt. yes, he's on the run. but the last sighting was in a red ferrari. there are people around there who like him, support him and are obviously helping him. >> no doubt. ch chapo guzman owns the field. he doesn't spend ten thousands dollars a year but millions of
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dollars waging successful corruption campaign. officials at the local, state and federal level, including sadly mexico security forces, but has successfully corrupted much of the private sector. the communications industry, the transportation industry. there is not a cab driver in that area that he doesn't have on the payroll. it is extraordinarily difficult for the brave mexican special forces, the marine commandos to effectively identify exactly where he's at and ultimately either kill him or capture him. >> in a word, if he is injured, will he be able to get the care without anyone finding out? >> that's a good question. this is a guy that's been on the "forbes" list of most powerful men on three occasions. when you've got that kind of money, and when you have the internal security apparatus he's got, i believe he can.
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reports out of new york city of a strange loud man ambushing people on the street. breaking news. a florida police department breaking its silence tonight offering new details about the shooting of a black man waiting for help after his car broke down. police say corey jones, a member of his church band, was armed when a plain clothed police officer approached him. jones ended up dead. >> we don't deserve this. he don't. we just need justice. >> reporter: the family of corey jones is struggling to understand why the 31-year-old was shot and killed by a police
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officer after his car broke down on a florida highway. >> broken down on the side of the road. >> reporter: it jones was on the side of interstate 95, his brother tells cnn affiliate wptv jones called him for help, saying he needed a tow truck. palm beach gardens police say officers newman rajai, who was on duty, but wearing plain clothes and driving an unmarked police car stopped to investigate what he thought was an abandoned vehicle on the exit ramp. >> as the officer exited his vehicle, he was suddenly confronted by an armed subject. as a result of the confrontation, the officer discharged his firearm resulting in the death of mr. cory jones. >> reporter: but for friends and family who describe jones as peaceful and laidback, the shooting is raising questions. >> in a state of disbelief
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because of all people, cory -- cory is not someone that we would think would be shot by a police officer. >> reporter: family members say jones played drums in his church's band. and according to cnn affiliate wptv, jones was on his way home from a gig with the band when his vehicle broke down. >> it's really sad for cory's family. they lost an amazing person. a really special human being. >> reporter: the officer involved was hired by the palm beach gardens police department earlier this year and is now on paid leave. >> there's no records of complaints, disciplinary actions or internal affairs investigations against officer rajai. there's so many questions about trying to reconstruct what happened. i know police say that jones was armed. do you know any about what he
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was armed with at this point? >> yes, police say there was a handgun that was recovered from the scene tonight they released a picture of the handgun, which they say was found just outsides cory jones' vehicle. the police chief also says that record jones cory jones purchased that handgun just three days before the shooting. what police have not -- >> thank you very much. obviously that will be crucial to this. we'll continue to follow the story. next, back to the future. just hours away, we're in countdown mode. what will happen? jeanne moos on what the movie got right. you fifteen percent or more on huh, fiftcar insurance.uld save yeah, everybody knows that. well, did you know that playing cards with kenny rogers gets old pretty fast? ♪ you got to know when to hold'em. ♪ ♪ know when to fold 'em. ♪ know when to walk away.
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he sees flying cars and a world without traffic. the year is 2015, october 21st, four hours away. will you have a miraculous commute in the morning? here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: it's called back to the future. >> reporter: now the future is becoming the past as the time traveling machine's destination and actual calendar match. >> where we're going, we don't need roads. >> reporter: the flying delorean might not, but we 2015 vers still do. flying cars exist, but as a business, they're barely off the ground. ditto for the hoverboard. up until now, they have hardly hovered as people riding seem to
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do most of the flying off. the actors who played marty mcfly and doc brown reunited. >> both times -- >> i'm waiting for those. >> waiting for nike to match the movie. >> power laces. all right. >> reporter: an outfit called power lace seems to have the technology, though, and the lagging laces is being mocked. >> put these on. they're like futuristic self-lacing sneaker. >> no, they're called crocs. >> this thing doesn't fit. >> i'm adjusting fit. >> reporter: it's 2015. there is still no self-sizing, no self-drying. remember when marty mcfly ordered a drink? >> all i want is a pepsi. >> it capes with a straw built into the lid. but pepsi's special
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commemorative bottle is just a regular twist-off. pepsi created 6500 of the bottle, selling them for $20-15. get it in 2015? back to the future's most astounding prophecy was this. >> cubs win the world series, against miami? >> reporter: 26 years ago there was no team in miami, but there is now, and the forever hopeless cubs are in the playoffs. the ride services lyft is offers free rides in delordance. in real life we're doingiaries behind. with all this "back to the future" hoopla, here's a toast to the past. how time mcflies when you're hydrating pizza. >> hydrate level 4, please. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn. >> boy oh boy, mom, you sure can hydrate a pizza.
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if they're right about the cubs, it will make up for being wrong about everything else. who would have thought that would be the thing possible. be sure to set your dvr. you can watch the show anytime. "anderson cooper 360" begins right now snow. \s well-begin with a story you'll only see here, a disturbing follow-up to our investigation of health care inside the department of veterans affairs. new revelations about how long it's taking veterans to get the health care they need, even after all the promises officials made to fix a seriously broken system. our previous reporting helped sparked investigations, apologies and ultimately the resignation of eric shinseki, but even after that, wait times are growing