today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. we have breaking news at this very hour that affects millions and millions of women. brand new guidelines for breast cancer screening just released a minute ago. guidelines that are sure to raise new questions. frankly, new controversy because they suggest women should start getting mammograms later and less frequently. >> joining us now is senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen as well as dr. erica hamilton, associate director of breast cancer and gynecologic research association. with the news, what is the american cancer society recommending now? >> let's take a look at their

specific recommendations. they used to say women should start getting annual mammograms at the age of 40. now they're saying don't start until age 45. they also used to say that women should get doctor's exams, in other words, a doctor manually feeling the breast for lumps and breasts also around age 40. now they're saying no one needs them. they say these breast exams as well as mammograms in your early 40s, they say there's no scientific evidence that shows that they catch cancer early and save lives. >> why is less more, elizabeth? it sounds counterintuitive? >> it really is counterintuitive. what the american cancer society says is, look, mammograms are great. no question they save lives but they're not perfect. they are notice foorious for false-positives es specially on younger women whose breast cancer is denser and harder to image. they see something on a

mammogram isn't sure about, it have you to have a biopsy, maybe more mammograms, more radiation. it's a big deal. some women say, i've gotten so many false-positives i'm going to stop getting mammograms. nobody wants women to do that. that's the reason they say you don't need to do them in your early 40s. >> all of this is a big deal. kind of to your point. that leads me to wonder, is there total agreement around this? >> no, there is not agreement at all around this. one of the big problems is the studies the american cancer society and others have looked at are film mammograms. nobody does that anymore. we use digital mammograms which are way better than film mammograms. they think these recommendations don't make a lot of sense. let's take a look at the three major groups that make recommendations to women about when to do screening. american cancer society now says start regular mammograms at age 40. the american college of

obstetricians and gynecologi gynecologist -- american cancer society says 45. american college of obstetric n obstetricians and gynecologists says 40. the u.s. preventive services task force says start at age 50. i can just imagine women as well as doctors are going to throw up their hands and say, what do we do? then the question, will insurance continue to cover mammograms for women in their 40s now that the american cancer society has made their change. and what experts tell me the answer is, talk to your doctor and decide what risks you're willing to put up with. if you're willing to put up, possibly a lot of false/positives, maybe you do want one. the american cancer society says, look, we're recommending 45, but if you want to start at 40, feel free. we think you should be able to go ahead and do that, but we recommend 45. >> doctor, you know you are about to get a lot of questions from a lot of confused patients who will say, hey, look, i thought early detection was the key here. now all of a sudden you're

telling me, wait five years before doing this. i assume this doesn't apply to anyone with a family history, correct? >> i think that is correct. i'm a doctor that sees breast cancer patients on a daily basis. i've seen a lot of young women whose lives have been saved by having yearly mammograms. i'm concerned young women moving forward without this recommendation. i'm concerned about what it projects of how important we feel mammograms are. i think it's an individual conversation between women and her doctors. we know they're not perfect but the best screening we have. digital mammograms are better than our film mammograms used to be. the other thing is that the cancer society really used the basis that a screening test has value when it saves lives. this is certainly true. i think picking up cancers earlier where treatment is earlier for patients.

we can spare patients mastectomies or chemotherapy is better for women. >> one of the thing the american cancer society is really leaning on here is the big concern and the big problems that can come with false/positives and overdiagnosis. everything is on balae. where is the risk worth it here? for you, early detection, is it worth the risk of the false positives? >> i think it is. even from a cost perspective, if the insurance company came to me and called me today and said, should we spend this money? $50 for a mammogram? i think that's money well spent. we have gotten better at treating these breast cancers even when they're more advanced and incurable, which is an excellent thing for breast cancer and for cancer in general. but this comes with a great cost, monetarily and also to the patients that have to live with

this incurable diagnosis every day. it's not to make light of the fact some women have to go back for unnecessary procedure such as a biopsy, but the problem i have is where we associate overdiagnosis as being the same as overtreatment. we know that there's some women we overtreat but i don't think not having that information, not having the diagnostic information and then being able to make our own decision with that woman about what to do with that information is worth the cost of possibly not catching these breast cancers early when there is something that needs to be done about them. >> you can see right here very clearly, not total agreement for sure around these new guidelines, but very important, nonetheless, to be discussing it. elizabeth cohen, thank you for bringing us this breaking news. new guidelines coming out from the american cancer society. dr. erica hamilton, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we're going to take another turn to a very important topic we've been following, to politics. vice president joe biden speaking a short time ago,

taking some not so subtle jabs, perhaps, at hillary clinton. listen here. >> i don't think my chief enemy is the republican party. this is a matter of making things work. we've got two great secretaries of state. but when i go, they know that i am speaking for the president. >> i don't think my chief enemy is the republicans. what is he talking about there? remember the cnn debate last week where hillary clinton was asked to list the enemy she was proud of and she added at the very end there, republicans. this is the second time in two days that joe biden has made that statement. not very thinly veiled at all, me thinks. let's bring in senior political correspondent breanna keilar. biden had a lot of interesting barbs, i would say, today. >> he sure did. and that comment, as you are noting, didn't happen in a vacuum. he also talks about the amount of miles he's traveled.

1,500,000 miles. hillary clinton just under a 1 million. now the bin laden raid. it's widely reported hillary clinton was for the raid and joe biden was against the raid. here's his take. >> only two people who were sdwintive and were absolutely certain. le leon panetta said go and bob gates said don't go. others were at 59-41. some end wanted up saying go, but it was such a close call. i joked and said, you all sound like 17 larry summers economist, on the one hand and the other. and they said, well, joe, what would you do? there was a third option that i didn't really think we should do. i said, well, i said, i think we

should make one more pass with another uav to see if it's -- if it is him. and the reason i did that is i didn't want to take a position to go if that was not where he was going to go. so, as we walked out of the room and walked upstairs, i said -- i told him my opinion, that i thought he should go but follow his own instinct. >> it's really just fascinating when you listen to that, he's saying, leon panetta and bob gates were the only two around the table who had definitive yes or no answers. he does not, guys, put hillary clinton in that category. it's really fascinating. so he's kind of downplaying the fact that she said yes, which is reported. he's also downplaying that he said no, which is reported. instead sort of illustrating himself to be thoughtful, kind of deliberate about it but not saying no. telling the president to trust his instincts. he says that was his answer on osama bin laden. >> he's muddying his answer at

least what's been reported in the past in conspicuous absence of hillary clinton as someone who supported the raid there. that was loud, breanna. >> we heard it. >> thanks so much. >> what is joe biden doing here? that is the key question. if he is not running, what does he get out of this? is it just bizarre? if he is going to run, when will he say so? >> plus, a new cnn poll out today shows donald trump dominating the field. but a new report also surfacing suggesting the republican establishment is not only worried about this but planning some kind of big action to stop trump. we'll talk about that. and some breaking news out of arizona. a water rescue under way right now. we're told at least one person trapped in this minimummy van you're looking at here. standby, we're watching this live.

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republicans are not his enemy. that is different than what hillary clinton said. also, joe biden omitting hillary clinton as someone who wanted to launch the raid that killed osama bin laden. hmm. >> let's discuss this with, hmm, cnn political commentator van jones when i laugh and submit on smis, everybody. sorry, america and beyond. brads wou brad woodhouse. yes, you should have worn your tarp today. welcome back. >> good morning. >> good morning. first off, what is joe biden doing here, brad? these are not so subtle jabs at hillary clinton. there's no way when you say republicans are not my chief enemy that you're not talking about hillary clinton. >> well, i guess he is talking about hillary clinton. i'm not sure -- i'm not sure what the point is. first of all, i thought her

entire answer, she was smiling, laughing. a lot of it was tongue in cheek. hey, if you want to go into a democratic primary hugging the republican party, have right at it. i'm not sure how good it will do you. >> we don't know what joe biden is going to do. these comments make some sense if joe biden is going to get in the race. what i'm trying to figure out, what a lot of people are trying to figure out, is how they make sense if he's not going to get into the race. do you have any thoughts there? >> no, they don't make sense if he's not getting in. most people watch that debate. what necessity see is the incredible strength of hillary clinton. bernie sanders stole the show with some one-liners. i think joe biden saw it different from everybody else. i think he saw the incredible weakness from the rest of the field. he's probably thinking, i wouldn't let hillary get away with that answer.

what about this? what about that? when you've been in hub life as long as he has, when you've been in the white house for six, seven years, and you know this by the back of your hand, to see a bunch of amateurs and the lily who couldn't tie down gulliver, it must have been difficult for him to watch. i think he thinks to himself, if these clowns can be on the world state getting on "snl," i could do at least that well. >> is this the kind of debate the democratic party wants going into the democratic primary? do you want your party leaders, party hopefuls, presidential candidates fighting over and drawing contrast for who was for the osama bin laden raid and sitting in the situation room. is that what you want? >> i'm not sure it's what we want. i'm not sure it's what the vice president wants. the public record is pretty clear and sounds like there is some revisionist history going on here. i'm not sure you're not leading with your chin when there's been

so much discussion, so much about where you stood versus where she stood going into that rate. i think the real problem is this routine is getting a little -- is getting a little tired. you know, we have now been on biden watch for a very long time. i'll say this. i respect the vice president. he should take as long as he wants and he should take everything into account. but the leaks about his decision-making i don't think have suited him well. this week is a critical meeting, next week is a critical meeting. we have repeated leaks he's interviewing staff. i've seen that three different times. i think -- >> i agree with you. >> i think democrats are getting a little tired of that. >> i have to agree as well. i think he's got to -- if he doesn't get in this weekend, i think he needs to let the news cycle move on. but i think he's probably going to get in. you're seeing more and more leaks in this direction. also don't forget, president obiden -- >> there you go. you just gave him what you

wanted. that's the ad. >> come on! >> when president obama is up in the polls, he's above 50%, so i think that may be encouraging him. it may not be such a bad thing to go for an obama third term if obama is above 50%. i think a lot of things are pushing him to go but he needs to go or get off the stage. >> we want to leave you all with the one psychology thought here. our friend at abc brought this up. maybe joe biden is doing this, you're going on a little assault to retreat to make it look like you're leaving on your own terms. it's important to leave and not get in the race on his own terms. >> rather than saying it was decided for you and you didn't see your path. >> we'll leave you with that. van, brad, thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. a lot of breaking news coming up for us out of the middle east. a new attack. a driver ramming into a crowded bus stop. one of the apparent targets, an israeli soldier. we'll take you there life for

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new developments in the west bank as violence continues to escalate. today a deadly hit-and-run, an israeli man was killed. the driver was arrested. then another palestinian rammed his car into a crowd killing two people. an israeli officer was stabbed. >> the tension there is so high right now. this month eight israelis have been killed, many stabs by palestinians. security forces have killed 45 palestinians. some directly connected to the attack say the israelis, others

killed in clashes. joined now from jerusalem where another day, another round of attacks. >> three attacks today, mostly focusing on the northwest city of hebron, a tense city, a city with small minority of israeli settlers living there amidst a bigger population. that's become the flash point. the latest of these attacks is where the idf, israeli military says a palestinian driver drove into a bus stop, injuring a soldier and civilian. that driver, they say, was killed at the scene. a short while before that, a couple of hours before that, police say that there was a hit-and-run attack. say -- or emergency services say his car was pelted by stones. he stepped out of his car. emergency services said he was hit and run -- he was killed by a hit-and-run from a car or truck with a palestinian license plate. earlier this morning, the idf saying a palestinian tried to stab a soldier.

the soldier was lightly wounded. open fire and killed the alleged attacker. so, yesterday we had a day of quiet. there was a feeling here maybe that quiet would hold. absolutely not. the tension in the air, you can feel it here. u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon trying to ease some tension and perhaps find some way to restore some level of peace here. >>. >> big meetings there, see if they lead anywhere. not much optimism they will, though. the man who said he hacked the cia director's e-mail, a cnn exclusive. he talks to our reporter and says how he did it. not how you think. this is not your grandfather's computer hacking, if there is such a thing. and donald trump's lead holding strong. carly fiorina, where did she go and is there now a big campaign coming to take down the front-runner coming from the gop establishment. and also this, we are just getting word that another candidate, who's been running for the 2016 -- in the 2016 race

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our breaking news. cnn has confirmed former virginia senator jim webb will announce he's dropping out of the democratic presidential race. he will make that announcement at a 1:00 p.m. news conference. jim webb, we hardly knew ye. breanna keilar is with us. >> his campaign at this point is not confirming he's definitely dropping out but they're not really pouring cold water on this idea that he could consider

an independent bid. so it's important to realize there's a context here, and that is that jim webb has expressed a lot of frustration with the democratic party and also with the support that it provided to him, or in his words, that it did not provide to him. jim webb, former virginia senator, he's someone who ran an insurgent campaign to win that seat from a republican incumbent. and he is certainly someone, i think, who thought maybe he could do that this time around, although his campaign never really got off the ground. he campaigned in new hampshire for four days. he campaigned in iowa for 20 days this cycle. that is far less than other candidates and it was july he posted in a blog post he was going to run after a prolonged exploration of a candidacy. this was something i think people thought that was pretty odd because, of course, hillary clinton had a video and the other candidates were

announcing, even lincoln chafee, who was negligible in the polls like jim webb, had an announcement press conference, and it was just a blog post for jim webb. at this point we're noting from two sources in the campaign, not confirming, that jim webb -- two sources familiar with this decision that jim webb is getting out of the democratic race. >> that announcement in a couple hours. we'll be there with you. thank you so much. so, let's stay now with the republican side of this race. new proof that many republicans -- the majority of republicans would rather have a billionaire businessman or retired neurosurgeon in the oval office than any kind of a politician. a brand new cnn poll out showing donald trump and ben carson are running away with the 2016 gop race at this point. take a look. no one is even close when you look at these numbers. carson gained eight points since september. >> also new in these polls, republicans excited about the choices they now have in this race. three-quarters say they're very satisfied with the field. there are reports this morning that establishment types, some republicans considering some

massive anti-trump action. he's making them nervous. something that could make them even more nervous? the idea of a trump/carson ticket. cnn asked the front-runner about that possibility earlier. >> i like him. he likes me. stranger things have happened. it's too early to think about that. it certainly is interesting. so many people have suggested it because we seem to be doing awfully well. >> noah rothman writes, stranger things have happened. not so sure about that. joining us now, scottie hughes, director of the tea party news network, amanda carpenter, served as ted cruz's communication director. these polls, the cnn poll, a "wall street journal" poll, trump is out in front by a lot in some of these polls. not to mention, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, florida, everywhere you go. at what point do people take a step back and say, he is running away with this, at least right now. >> and it's shocking, but only

to those that live within the beltway of washington, d.c. the rest of main street's going, yeah, of course he's out front. the same reason ben carson is out front. the same reason you see bernie sanders doing so well on the democratic side. it's called honesty. it's called they trust. even if i don't agree with the position you have, at least you're being honest about it and you're not trying to receive me when your actions don't back up when your words are saying. i think that's why people believe in trump, carson, and why sanders is seeing the popularity on the other side. >> so, you've got the popularity. a lot of people understand the brand, why a lot of folks like the brand, but now a lot of republicans are wondering the why. really, where is the support for donald trump. a commentary today says trump has built a very strong blue-collar support base while the white-collared voters haven't unified around one candidate yet. if that's the reality, what do

other republicans need to do about it? >> here's the thing. trump has done a really good job in embracing the can do it-ness of the american spirit. i don't think any other candidate has done it on the scale he's done. at the same time, he's shown a willingness to take on the establishment. and i think a huge part of the appeal is that he's willing to go african dates like a jeb bush. i am very curious to see what the die namics in the race would be if jeb bush were to drop out. i can see a scenario where trump and carson are inadvertent stalking horses for a ted cruz or marco rubio. i think more establishment candidates dropping out of the race will change the dynamic, cause trump to fall in the polls a little bit. i think we're in for a long, wild ride. you can't dismiss trump. he's been leading for a long time. he speaks bluntly, clearly, honestly, and other candidates should take note. >> what happened to carly fiorina, then? we're talking about the not part of the establishment, the

outsiders. there's donald trump, ben carson. our poll she's down to 4% right now. she was at 15%. that's a drop of 11 points since the last time we checked that. what went wrong? >> she gave a great debate performance, like hillary clinton did in hers. people know it's not just about speaking. what happened is people start looking into her record, her business record. the fact that shares dropped 60% under her watch. 20,000 people were laid off at the same time she's buying a branld new jet. people say, your words are not matching up with how you ruled. the truth comes out. the other issue with carly had to deal with the planned parenthood videos. those pro li-life were getting traction, until she took it on a national scale and talked about it and caused the whole storm. people say, if she doesn't know the truth when she goes on

stage, how will -- >> carly surrogates will say she's still dealing with a lack of name recognition on the national stage. regardless of that, i do want to get your final take, amanda, on this. byron york of the "washington examiner," in the face of donald trump leading and running away with a nomination at this point, at least at this point, the republican establishment, they're not only worried, they're now planning a counterattack. he wrote that some are preparing to do whatever it takes to bring him down. which could lead to an extraordinary scenario in which gop stalwarts go to war to destroy their own party's likely nominee. what do you think of that? >> i think about that, what would that be? could any more d.c. -- >> negative ads, negative ads. >> and every time they hit donald trump with that kind of stuff, he embraces it and makes him more popular with the base, who is so fed up with the d.c. establishment. i think it's the wrong move. the only way to beat trump is to outcampaign him, outwork him and

outmessage him to voters. people like jeb bush, i watched his interview with jake tapper on "state of the union" sunday, he could barely respond. he was halting and faulting at every response. that's not going to cut it in this election against hillary clinton. voters know that. they want a winner. donald trump looks like a winner, although that could change. >> maybe we need to get them to sign a loyalty pledge. great to have you here with us. thanks so much. >> thanks. coming up for us, the cia director's personal e-mail allegedly hacked. up next, you'll hear exclusively from the hackers who say they did it and how not so difficult they say it was. plus, it is the biggest movie since -- ever. "the force awakens." the trailer broke the internet.

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morning. hackers who claim they broke into the personal e-mail account of john brennan and jeh johnson, they are speaking to cnn and telling us how they did or at least how they claim they did it. >> the fbi and secret service are trying to determine whether any sensitive data was compromised. laurie segall spoke with the self-proclaimed hacker, one of them, and joins us. a fascinating interview. what did they tell you? >> it was actually very compelling. i reached out to the hackers on twitter, the twitter account they allegedly posted all this leaked information, was able to get them on the phone. they disguised their voice so it sounds a little weird but they spoke to me about how they allegedly did this and why they did this. take a listen. >> you claim you were able to hack the private e-mail account of the cia director. how did you do that?

>> well, we have most of his personal information, like his name, address, phone number, social security number and other things. and when we socially engineered we like manipulated aol to, like, do the password, reset the account. we socially engineered verizon. and then we socially engineered to get his last four digits on his bank account. >> if this is true, how difficult would you say it is? >> you mean out of ten? >> sure, out of ten. >> one. >> one. >> yeah. >> you guys say you were able to hack into his personal inbox. what did you find? >> social security numbers, plans talking about iraq and syria. there was a lot of private information. it's pretty stupid, really. he's supposed to be so high in the government, like head of cia. he should be more clever.

>> what was your motivation for doing this? >> free palestine. the u.s. government funds and in israel and killing innocent people. >> anything you can tell me about yourself. >> yeah, i'm about the age of 20 years old. i smoke pot. and i live in america. >> you smoke pot? >> every day. >> you might have hacked the director of the cia while you were high? >> probably. >> are you sophisticated hackers? >> i would kind of put us like in the middle maybe. we're not like stupid, but we're not really smart. there's a lot of really, really smart people. i know the government are pretty mad about this. i'm actually a pretty fast runner. >> you plan to leak more information. is there any specific target? >> yeah, the government and the police, the white house people. they're losers.

>> and i'll say, sources have confirmed both accounts actually were hacked. we can't independently verify the leaked documents. and the investigations are ongoing. i'll say this, from covering cyber security for a very long time and talking to a lot of very sophisticated hackers, i didn't get the sense these guys are that sophisticated. they said that themselves. they said they were easily, easily able to get into that personal inbox, which if, in fact, that is true, that is very, very troubling. >> absolutely very troubling. the one e-mail account that shouldn't be able to be hacked is the e-mail account of the cia director. great to see you. thanks so much. good job. donald trump said if he had been president, 9/11 may not have happened. the republican presidential candidate, the front-runner claims his policies could have kept the hijackers from coming into the country in the first place. >> this is all part of the back and forth with jeb bush about whether george w. bush kept the country safe before september 11th. that's what trump says he's

talking about. joining us to discuss, julia and peter bergen. trump is talking about this again today. he's saying george w. bush, the white house had some warnings before september 11th that something could happen. >> cia director george tenet met with condoleeza rice on july 10th and also met with a number of senior counterterrorism officials who said, we think there is an attack coming in the next following weeks. they didn't know where it was going to happen. they didn't know when it was going to happen. but it was one of a series of multiple warnings from the cia, which actually did quite a good job, main role is strategic warning. it did a good job of constantly warning in the summer of 2001 that something might well be afoot. on that part of the equation, i think donald trump has a very reasonable point. the bush administration was preoccupied by iraq and russia

and china, but not by al qaeda in the months before the attack. >> so, on that point, juliette, peter says donald trump is right, but you also say donald trump's -- basically his assertions here are way too simplistic, including his take that his immigration policy could have stopped them all from coming into the country in the first place. explain. >> right. so, i don't disagree with peter. in fact, i -- everyone should read peter's piece on cnn.com because it's irrefutable that there was sufficient evidence and lack of attention by the bush administration leading into september 2001. what's not clear to me, though, is why donald trump's immigration policies that we have come to understand as being tough at the border, in particular mexican/u.s. border, and a sort of no tolerance attitude about immigration would sh stopped the 9/11 hijackers. i want everyone to remember, most of them got there -- all of them got here on lawful

immigration status, because we have legal immigration in this country. we actually want legal immigration. they weren't climbing over borders. they weren't sneaking under walls or into tunnels. and only some of them overstayed those visas. so really a stronger border enforcement would not have gotten them. what donald trump is talking about is tougher domestic surveillance, therefore, we would know who was in this country and overstayed their visas. he's mixing apples and oranges and sort of making history and what we know about the 9/11 hijackers. it's just basically incorrect. so, we just need to clarify that being tougher at the borders is not the solution. >> peter, >> peter, quickly, osama bin laden lately with vice president joe biden saying what he did or did not advise the president,

and too, joe biden said that he was against the raid killing osama bin laden, and hillary clinton all in, and joe biden failing to mention her all -n ad you know the truth about that situation room and what was the truth? >> well, i spoke to everyone in the final meeting to make the decision to capture or kill bin laden. it was kind of universally held that hillary clinton gave a view of the pros and the cons and came down to do the raid. and it is also held that joe biden held against the raid because of all of the complications if something went wrong. >> peter bergen, you have done extensive report on this and thank you so much, and you as well sh well, juth khiyam. and the force has a waken and it did so in "monday night

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so, was it good for you? i am talking about the full-length "star wars" trailer that trailed in monday night football. >> awkward. >> and i was born the do one thing. i have nothing to fight for. >> nothing will stand in our y

way. i will finish what you started. >> ooh. ah, yes. it caused a disturbance in the force and the interwebs literally crashing two movie ticket web sites, and you are not listening, because you are watching the trailer. and here with the phrfrenzy, er davis with fandango, and eric, what happened? it crash ed the internet? >> yes, what we saw was unprecedented demand in tickets not here, and not just here in the states, but in europe, and "star wars "the force awakened" is voted the most anticipated movie of the year in the fandango fandangole -- poll, and so now we can see why. and if you have not gotten your

tickets, then keep trying. >> have you seen anything like this before? >> no, i mean, with the apps, but i remember going to "star wars" and standing in costumes and sometimes in the cold weather to see this movie. >> and if it did happen, it with news a galaxy far far away, and he gets it, but you don't. and you are not just a star wars' ticket seller, but a member, and clearly a fan. >> yes. >> and so my question is this, i watched the trailer 5, 10, 15, 30 times, and where is luke? >> and everybody is wondering where luke is, and the rumor is that they are hold iing him. >> luke is on ice. >> they are holding him for -- >> frozen like hans solo in "empire strikes back." >> and maybe until the movie comes out which is going to be kind of cool if we did not see luke skywalker if we did not see him until the movie theater for the first time. what is so cool about the trailers they keep showing us

the same scenes over and over again, but from the different angles, and not only revealing more informations about the film, but they are not showing anything new in the film. >> and mixing the old and the new, and i'm a little older in the 40s and so i care a lot about the "star wars, empire strikes back," and "star wars" all of them. >> he has a cp 3 on the couch. >> he does. >> and if you get the older fans, you will get the whole family. that is what is happening, because the 3-year-old this morning all he wanted the do was to watch the trailer with me. >> because you made him. >> no, he asked me, i want to watch the trailer and he said afterwards, daddy, that was so cool. >> dude, that was cool. >> and is this setting up for the excitement that you are setting pourp the expeck -- setting up for the expectations that you have. listen to the two of you? >> well, the so far, i have seen

it in the trail er ther that afe franchise when george lucas stepped out two people who grew up with the franchise, and j.j. abrams knows that. >> and the "phantom of the menace" that is a low bar. >> all right. great to see you, erik davis. thank you for join g ing us thi hour. zip it. >> "legal view with ashleigh >> "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to legal view. if he is not in, and in soon, that kind of means that he is out. so we begin with the latest public comments of the vice president of the united states, joe biden, comments that may or may not offer clues as to whether or not he is going toing to make one more run for the presidency. at a forum this morning honor former v.p. and unsuccessful candidate