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breaking news. at this hour live, donald trump at a rally. he'll speak about the democratic debate and new polls today in richmond, virginia. these are live pictures. thousands are gathering to hear trump in just a few moments. he will be coming out and speaking. the republican front-runner seen here arriving just moments ago. taking back the national stage today, panning the democratic debate making it clear that he thinks he could beat hillary clinton in the debate. this is the latest cnn poll that shows trump's dominance growing. double-digit leads in both nevada and south carolina. 16 points ahead of ben carson in nevada and double digits as well in south carolina. the rest of the candidates still in single digits. sara murray is joining us live at the trump rally. donald trump is obviously there and is going to be speaking. i know you had a chance to speak to him as he got out of the car. what are he tell you? >> reporter: that's right.

i spoke to donald trump as he was going in. he said he believes he can beat hillary clinton in a debate. i asked him why, then, is he going after bernie sanders if he thought hillary clinton was the strongest competitor on the stage. he said he believes hillary clinton may have won the debate. you never know what is going to happen in an election like this. it seems like he's trying to weaken the top front-runners because he's not sure who he will be up against if he wins the nomination. erin? >> we'll bring this to you live but i'm curious where you are. you're at the richmond international speedway. virginia doesn't have a primary until march, way down the line. why is trump focusing there? >> reporter: you know, it's interesting, because i think the trump campaign has gotten a lot of flack, a lot of questions about when he's going to drop out and a lot of people assume that he will not go beyond the early nominating contest. i think him being here in virginia is his campaign of

saying, you guys are wrong. virginia is not a state that is open until march 1st and part of the super tuesday states and dozens of volunteers have been outside making sure that donald trump is on the ballot and, remember, the ground work you lay in a state like virginia plays in the general election. this is not just an important state in the general primary but this looks like a trump campaign that's in it for the long haul. erin. >> thank you, sara. joining me now is david gergen along with chief political correspondent dana bash. as we said, so everyone knows, the richmond international speedway, donald trump being introduced in a moment. as he speaks, we'll bring that to you live. no question, he's going to be weighing in on the democratic debate. he already has taken a slam at hillary clinton. here's what he said. >> in all fairness, like it or not, she did her job and they

were very, very kind and they probably -- if they want to win, they should have been a lot tougher, in my opinion. >> kind of conceding she was the winner but saying he would do better in some sense. >> reporter: well, of course. he's -- his whole -- the name of his whole game is that he's the guy who could beat her in the general election. of course, if you talk to hillary clinton's campaign, they are begging for a donald trump nomination because they think the opposite. look, he's right, that she did as well as she could have, probably exceeded expectations because it's been a long time since we've seen hillary clinton on the debate steage. she's a very skilled debater. in fairness, there wasn't a lot of competition in terms of people really coming at her, either on a political or on a policy level. >> right. >> there was a little bit of back and forth with bernie sanders on guns and so forth but there's still room for somebody else to get in there, maybe a

vice president if they want to because it was her and everybody else on the stage. >> it's true. now, donald trump is not just talking today like he has this locked up. today he was complaining he doesn't have secret service protection yet, treating himself really as a presumptive nominee in some sense. so what do you say to that? >> i think what was interesting to me is that, erin, he's not allowing hillary clinton or bernie sanders or anybody to take a victory lap from last night. she would normally be nominating the news. he's the showman. boom, he's at the top of the show. that's a really interesting thing. i also think that that's like cnn had 15.3 million viewers. i think it's 5 million more for the record. that's part of the trump effect, spilling over to the democratic politics.

>> it is. for those who picked on donald trump who we can see live here approaching the stage going to speak to this crowd, as we said, we'll be taking it live, he has energized the entire nation to pay attention to this election, dana. >> reporter: that's a great point. the fact of the matter is we thought he hit his zenith when we had the heavyweight championship that went on and on between barack obama and hillary clinton. so it was surprising that so many people tuned in but i do think that donald trump has brought people in. the other thing is that we should give people credit. is that donald trump? maybe i'll toss it back to you, erin? >> it is. and we're listening. he just said, "i love virginia." david, let me get a quick reaction from you about where he stands in the latest polls today.

>> double digits in two states. >> over ben carson. >> that's right. and he's doing well in iowa and new hampshire. and that takes you right in on the eve of iowa. he's got another six or eight weeks if he can continue this. he and hillary can be matched as the two presumptive nominees. >> and you truly think it could happen at this point? >> i think he could definitely win the nomination. i think hillary showed us he's going to have a hard fight. she was really good last night. >> dana, let me ask you here your reaction to the poll, also in addition to double-digit leads over ben carson, his closest rival, it's now a lot more than it used to be.

now it's immigration, isis, foreign policy, donald trump is now the best person on each issue. i remember talking to him on the phone a few months ago. he said, see, trump is number one on the economy. he wasn't on any of the other issues. that's changed. >> reporter: that's right. he's doing extremely well. and i think one of the things that was interesting and noteworthy was that today he didn't just talk about hillary clinton. he put out an instagram video against bernie sanders and at first glance you might think, that's kind of odd. why are you wasting your time, donald trump, with bernie sanders? think about a state like new hampshire. new hampshire is a place where you don't have to be affiliated with either party to vote. and there could be, believe it or not, people angry with the man and the system and the fact is it might have to take some change for the voters.

and any voters who is even remotely socialist, it's just the anger component that really i think is telling about the strategy that donald trump is to anyone, he thinks he can do it. >> dana, stay with us. you're going to be with us throughout this. he's thanking everybody and that's why we're not listening to this. we're going to squeeze in to a brief break with donald trump live and our panel. the great beauty of owning a property is that you can create wealth through capital appreciation, and this has been denied to many south africans for generations. this is an opportunity to right that wrong.

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right? if you won with 67%, the press -- look at all of those cameras going back there. so many. so many! look at all of the red lights. showed crowd, everybody. show the crowd. show the crowd. [ applause ] a lot of people outside outside that the fire marshal would not let in. so it's one of those things. but i will tell you, when you have 67% in a two-person race, that's called landslide. that's called massive -- i don't think there's ever been a victory and here we have a thing called the economy. would you say that's important? i think so, right? so 67% are in favor for trump. okay. we won this state by a lot, meaning the polls, by a lot. a couple of these categories, i have to read them.

illegal immigration, important. we're going to build the wall. okay? believe me. we're going to build the wall. [cheers and applause ] 100%. and you know, so we're going to build it. it will be paid for. who's going to pay for the wall? who is going to pay for the wall? so the next category -- the next category, which is so important -- that's okay. that's okay. that's all right.

that's all right. [cheers and applause ] that's all right. that's why we have freedom of speech, folks, you know and i'll tell you how dishonest the press is. we have thousands of people in this room, 6, 7,000. i think 7,200 people. we have about ten people over there. they'll get the headline. you won't. that's pretty disgusting. pretty disgusting. but that's the way it goes. so illegal immigration, 55% want trump. 13% to second place. that tells you something right there. 13%. on social issues, trump is first.

on foreign policy -- [ applause ] >> we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! we want trump! >> thank you very much. that's great. thank you very much. but it is true. i see a couple of cameras for about four people and they are

going wild, the cameras. it's so disgusting. but that's all right. on foreign policy, trump number one, 31%. on isis, who is going to handle isis? trump 46. we're not going to play games. we're not playing games. we're not playing games. on the change on how we do in washington, on the change, how are we going to change washington? who is going to do the most effective job? trump. 60%. 60. 60%. here's an important one. best chance of winning in november. trump number one. 47%. amazing. so we're number one at 42nd and then you get into 16 and 10. that's a big difference.

so we've all come a long way together. we've all tomorrow. and you know, we have a lot of bad people out there. they want to stop progress and you see it all the time. and i used the statement, the silent majority. the silent majority is back, folks. the silent majority is back. >> donald trump speaking live in richmond. he talked about polls and he's now talking more about polls and how he's number one, as we were just discussing even in foreign policy. we're continuing to listen to him. david, let me ask you what we've just seen donald trump do, masterfully, which is stagecraft. >> you know, for all his flaws -- you know, he has many flaws. he's very good at stagecraft. the very idea that after last night's democratic debate, which was potentially a very pivotal moment for the democratic side, here we are talking about donald trump again. >> uh-huh. >> and he did that by seizing --

he understands. he's holding out prospects and he's going to go on "saturday night live." the first to do that. do you know what kind of audience he's going to get for doing that? and this was -- i don't think we've experienced this kind of politics -- i can't remember a candidate like this who has done what he has done. that's not to say -- >> right. you're saying 30 years of experience, you've never seen anybody like this? >> i've never seen anybody hold the stage this way and keep doing it and yet be so empty of substance. there's no major convictions. there are ravens that do ve-- r with the crowd. he ran a good state of california. donald trump has never done any of that. he has none of the normal credentials and yet he's got everybody talking about him. >> he does. and i can also say for our viewers, a lot of his prior

rallies, the people in front of him, behind him was a wall. donald trump vocally complained about that. now look what he has done. he's put the crowd behind him, too. brianna keilar is "outfront" in vegas. she's been following hillary clinton. what does the campaign say about this? that this is a big moment for hillary clinton and yet on social media, the discussion throughout the day, a lot of it has been dominated by donald trump. >> reporter: yes, she's not really responding to it, erin. it's interesting. when she does respond to it, it's not in this head-on kind of way. on monday when she first came to las vegas, she showed up at the trump hotel to stand next to picketers, union workers trying through the culinary union to unionize the hotel in vegas.

she does that in a way to attract union support but also knowing she's going to get some support and then also uses him as this device. we didn't hear her confront donald trump head-on but uses them as a device to paint all republicans the same. you hear him now giving this speech and he's talking about building the wall and riling up the crowd in that way. last night, hillary clinton made an illusion to him as someone who is hostile to immigrants but described all republicans as this. so it's a way for her to sort of loop donald trump in with other republicans and trying to rile up her base with that. >> brianna, thank you. donald trump is speaking in richmond. we're watching that and we'll continue to watch it holding a very enthusiastic and raucous crowd in richmond. and when we come back, our exclusive interview of ivanka trump for the first time

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breaking news, you're looking live at donald trump. he's speaking to thousands of supporters in virginia. they are expecting 5,000. he says there are 7,200 by his count. tonight, his top adviser, his daughter, ivanka, is speaking out for the first time. everyone has wanted to speak to her. she's speaking exclusively to cnn tonight and what kind of a father he is and how he raised her. poppy, you spoke to ivanka today. this is what everybody has wanted to hear. what did she say about her dad? >> she could not have been more complementary about her dad, how proud she is of him, she talked about the campaign and also why he is not on the campaign trail and how she is still focused on her business. she talked about how her father gave her, in her words, the confidence to do anything she

set her mind to. >> let's begin with this. we're at the fortune's most powerful women's summit and michael cohen, from the trump organization, said that the company company em employees 57% men and 43% women. how can we see that translate across corporate america so more women are at the upper echelons? >> well, i think it's incredibly important and i think companies that are not ensuring that women are at all levels within the organization and this disproportion of men versus women and gender and equality, you know, anyone who is thinking in those terms and who is not being very proactive to ensure that there are companies being thoughtful about the gender mix is simply going to fall behind. so i think it will be a self-selecting thing. i think in ten years from now, the companies who haven't evolved will not be the companies that they are today

and i think my father recognized this a long time ago. i wouldn't be the person i am today, i wouldn't have the ambition, the drive, the passion, commitment to what it is i am doing for both the trump organization and for my own brand if he hadn't encouraged me and emboldened me, given me the confidence that i could do that whatever it is that i set my mind to accomplish if i had the vision, the energy, the passion, and the work ethic to match. so i think really its leadership is about action. leadership is about setting an example and he's very much done that within the context of the trump organization and it's why my brothers and i are equally at the same level at the highest ranks within the context of that company. >> you started women who work, an initiative you used to empower women at all levels to work and to follow their dreams.

an increasing amount of american women are staying home, from 23% in 1999 to 29% in 2000 and some of that is, in part, due to rising child care costs. >> yes. >> what's your message in that campaign to women. >> women are working at all aspects of their life and there's this tendency to talk about the working women, there's a caricature that that looks like. we represent 50% of the population. we all have different priorities and the priority changes throughout the course of their lives. i really wanted to create a brand that was celebrated the fact that women are multidimensional, that we're all working hard at architecting the lives that we want to live and lives that are consistent with our personal priorities and i think there is this unfortunate

and prevailing depiction of the working woman as wearing a black pants suit and being only focused on her professional role and that's just not true. and hopefully i can maybe a small part of changing the narrative around what it looks like to be a woman who works today and that's the purpose of the campaign. it's not to tell people they should work or shouldn't work, it's not to push people in a certain direction. it's to celebrate the fact that we're all figuring it out, we're all working very, very hard. i know, for example, i'm more exhausted on a monday morning after a weekend home with the kids than i am on a friday afternoon. >> yes. >> and i work really hard during the week. so it's really about enabling and supporting women and architecting this ideal life for themselves. >> your father points to you telling him that he's been on the campaign trail, quote, really misunderstood on his views about women. he has said some things that

have -- about women that have shocked many people about carly fiorina. he said, look at that face, would anyone vote for that? about megyn kelly's questioning about him in the first fox debate, there was blood coming out of her wherever. ivanka, what was your reaction to that? >> well, i think a lot of the sensationalism around this was orchestrated largely by the media. look, my father is very blunt and very direct and nongender specific in his criticism of people and people that he doesn't particularly like or people that he does like but thinks they are wrong on a particular issue. so, you know, i don't think that he's gender targeted at all. like i said, i wouldn't be the person i am today. i wouldn't be high-level executive within his organization if he felt that way. so he's always supportive and encouraged women and truthfully he's proven that through decades

through his hiring practices. >> what would president trump do for this country? >> he would be incredible for women in this country. it's not my place to articulate those for him. i'm not part of the campaign. i'm very busy and he's kept me very busy working alongside my brothers and running the organization now that he's taking this step and in terms of his efforts to try and make this country great again, as he says. so i'll leave policy to him. >> yes. >> but i'll speak to him as my vantage point from a colleague. he's been an amazing parent and given me every opportunity to succeed. he's been loving and supportive. he's pushed me. he's corrected me. he's disciplined me and i think as a parent now myself i appreciate how hard that is more

than ever before. when i was 15 or 16, i was a little less impressed by how tough he was and how strict he was and as a parent now i see just how hard it is to raise children with drive and with passion and with energy who have a well-set moral compass and he very much did that for me in his role as a father and then as an executive. i have seen what an unbelievable leader he is. he's the most formidable negotiator i've ever seen. and i've seen a lot of great negotiators. he is also somebody who really encourages people to achieve at their highest level. he sets very high goals for everyone who works for him and who works with him but really he helps them raise the bar for themselves in terms of what they want to accomplish. >> what are your business goals

for ivanka trump as a brand? >> oh, i have far-reaching goals. i think my goals are less specific and more general now. i want to continue to grow the trump organization footprint throughout the world. we have a hotel company, the trump hotel collection, which i'm incredibly proud of which is now the fastest growing luxury hotel brand. we have many very, very exciting property openings in the year to come here in washington, d.c., with the old post office building and iconic building right on pennsylvania avenue in rio day gentlemrio de janeiro a huge. i don't want to limit myself by giving a specific goal but the growth potential there is enormous. in terms of my own business, i feel like i'm just getting

started. i am creating product in many categories that has been very well received, that i am deeply proud of and i'm looking forward to other opportunities in other categories and in international markets to grow that brand. of course, my most important priority, my family is growing and hopefully will continue to grow. >> congratulations. you are five months pregnant. >> i am five month pregnant with my third. >> congratulations. >> so it's an amazing time and it's an exciting time for me in my personal life as well. so i feel incredibly blessed and incredibly fortunate that i'm so happy personally and professionally and i hope that all of this continues. >> you are very good friends with chelsea clinton and she gave a recent interview and said, "i love ivanka" and she said both of your parents running potentially against each other in a general election has not affected your relationship." how do you guys navigate that?

do you talk politics? do you talk kids? >> it has not been an issue for us. she's been a great friend to me. i've been a great friend to her. so the politics of our friends is not relative to our friendship. >> i asked a lot of the women here at the summit and sat down with a group of them at the debate last night. i know you watched. what did you make of the debate and who do you think would be the most formidable candidate against your father who is leading in all of the republican polls? >> i thought the debate was excellent. i thought the debate was interesting to watch. so i enjoyed watching. i'm a business person, not a politician. i'll leave politics to other members of the family and the many, many people involved in the race on both sides. so we'll see who emerges. >> ivanka trump, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> poppy, a fantastic interview.

when her father said she's going to be a close adviser, she is a close adviser. >> right. >> on the issues of women, what he said about carly fiorina and megyn kelly, you asked her about that. >> did i. >> she tried to defend her dad. i can't imagine -- i don't know what she thought in the heart of hearts when that happened. >> i asked her what her reaction was and she certainly didn't take us inside their world or conversations. she didn't necessarily want to be talking about that, it was clear, but i did get the sense that she wanted to defend her father and believes to her core that he is a supporter of women. but you heard what she said at the end. i said who do you think would be the most formidable candidate against your father? she didn't answer that. she said i'll leave politics to other members of my family. interesting, because she came out and introduced him on the campaign trail when he made his introduction and a lot of

pundits say she could be a huge asset to him on the trail. it did not seem like on the trail that that will be the case. she's clearly business with the business and third child on the way. >> certainly all eyes are on her second to her father. >> yeah. >> and of course his wife melania. thank you so much, great job poppy harlow with that exclusive interview here. "outfront" next, bernie sanders' debate performance won him lots of praise and got $2 million in new donations as a result of that. we'll be checking in with donald trump and bernie sanders. and lamar odom was found unconscious and illegal drugs were involved. >> the reporting parties, the male had been using cocaine. technology empowers us to achieve more. it pushes us to go further. special olympics has almost five million athletes in 170 countries.

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you're looking at live pictures. this is donald trump addressing thousands in virginia. just moments ago, he weighed in on last night's democratic debate. >> i watched last night with

bernie sanders and hillary and the other three guys that nobody -- yeah. yeah. the other three guys that nobody knows who the hell they are. who are they? but i watched last night as hillary and bernie sanders, they just couldn't give things away fast enough and they are giving them to illegal immigrants. they want health care for illegal immigrants, they want driver's license for illegal immigrants. they are suggesting -- listen to this. they are suggesting social security for illegal immigrants. >> trump has been slamming bernie sanders all day. of course, bernie sanders, someone who does want to give more to spending in this country, at this moment, this is what donald trump picked specifically. >> well, i think the secretary is right and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn

e-mails! >> me, too, me, too! >> of course, donald trump thinks that bernie sanders made a mistake. he got 63,000 donations. sunlen is "outfront." he's been getting so many crowds, fundraising spiked off that debate and that moment. what are you seeing there in terms of the crowds tonight? >> reporter: well, it's interesting, erin. today we're here in beverly hills. it's a relatively small group, 13,000 people. the campaign calling this a mini-rally, focusing on small ticket donations, tickets costing about $25. this is a course of pride for the sanders' campaign. they want to show that they have

grassroots support and people that they continually go back to to raise money throughout this campaign. about those figures last night, $2 million since that debate the campaign said they raised, a majority of the first four hours of the debate but the focus is trying to keep the momentum up. >> sunlen, thank you so much. lots going on with rallies tonight. a basketball and reality tv star once married to khloe kardashian passed out at a brothel. the latest on lamar odom's condition, next.

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>> the reporting parties informed the nye county dispatch that the male had been using cocaine. they confirmed his usage on saturday but was unsure if that had continued through the weekend. they also informed dispatch that he had used up to ten tabs of sexual over the last three-day period. >> so far, officials are not commenting on the current condition of the 35-year-old that was married to khloe kardashi kardashian, kyung lah has details. >> reporter: the love ranch, a legal brothel that promises decembiscretion to celeb vips b when he saw lamar odom unresponsive, he called 911. >> they did ask what he had taken. the girls gave me an herbal supplement.

>> reporter: an herbal sexual enhancement says hunter once sold here at the ranch and sex shops. hunter ask we not fully show his face. he claims since odom's arrival friday, employees did watch him take a number of the supplements. >> they were ballparking like maybe ten over three days or something like that. >> reporter: two female employees say they left odom asleep in his room monday night and found him unresponsive nine hours later. now at the hospital, the reverend jesse jackson visited odom. he says odom is unable to speak breathing with the help of a machine. >> almost totally unresponsive, but now there is signs of responsiveness and to that extent, that's good news. >> reporter: jackson says kobe bryant visited and by his bedside remains khloe kardashian. >> i want to hang out forever. i want to get married now. >> reporter: odom's ex-wife and former co-star in reality television. >> lamar has suffer sod much loss in his life. >> reporter: a life filled with loss from an early age. his father left the family

addicted to heroin. odom's mother died of cancer when he was 12. he was raised by his grandmother who would also die of cancer and his first marriage in 2006, odom's infant son jaden died of sids. his father would return to his life on reality television asking for money. >> we got a lot of hand some men in our family. >> reporter: the consistency anchor appeared to be basketball. he rose to fame early in high school and winning two nba championships but his tabloid life eclipsed his professional. khloe fortold of his troubles. >> i'm on high alert for lamar because anything i think will set him to spiral and that's kind of the last thing i want for him. >> reporter: the sheriff's department did announce they have drawn blood from lamar odom while he's been in the hospital. those results, erin, are not back as of yet, erin. >> such a sad story.

thank you. "outfront", a psychiatrist and dr. sew fee, lamar's ex-wife talked about odom's issues on the show for many years. here she is in an exchange in 2015. >> lamar, he is a very depressed person, which is sad, but understandable for everything he's been through in his life. and i do love lamar with every ounce of who i am, but it's really scary when someone is such a deep low and you know they are kind of relying on you to get them out, and you're trying and you're trying and you're trying and nothing is really working. >> were you surprised to hear about how this seems to have happened, dr. sophie, at a ranch with prostitutes, cocaine,

herbal viagra? >> i'm not surprised. i think the circumstances are a little extreme however, clearly, kh lr khloe was telling us he has underlying issues that have been with him a lot of his life which are under pinning of addiction relapses in addicts, especially ones that don't get real treatment. she felt the darkness for him and you can see he took himself into a very dark place because that's how he felt. >> and, you know, it just seems so many people trying to help him. this is happening on reality television, the country knew his wife, ex-wife was trying to help him in a recent episode and she was concerned about her husband after his friend died of a drug-related overdose, a friend we saw lamar odom take on his own show he talked about. everything that he would have needed for help was there and yet, it was not enough. >> well, but that just shows you that there's no help that's going to be accepted by an addict until they are ready to do it themselves and until they

get on in their own way, they will be their worst enemy. >> what happens here, doctor? we don't know his condition but it is very dire? >> yes, it is very dire. i think there was a lot of things going on in his body, he was putting in a lot of things that were counter balancing each other and he could have easily had many medical issues, a seizure, a stroke, all of the above. who knows. at this point i think this man just needs a lot of prayers and a lot of people from people that love and support him so he can get better and really get help, hopefully, if there is that kind of an outcome. >> if that is possible. we'll be right back. inthe mid-size van, from mercedes-benz. it's got small-ability

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