i'm not taking a back seat to anybody. >> climate change is real. >> i have been as transparent as i know to be. >> enough of the e-mails. let's talk about the real issues. >> i think we need someone that has the best and ethical standards as our next president. that's how i feel. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> no. >> my republican friends seem to have amnesia. >> i am the only candidate running for president who is not a billionaire. >> you are not for glass-steagall. >> you're wasting time. >> i'm a pro-grossive that likes to get things done. >> i believe in a society that everybody does well, not a handful of billionaires. >> diplomacy is not about getting to the perfect solution. it's about how you balance the risk. >> this is "new day" with queen elizabeth, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> welcome to your "new day," it

is wednesday, october 14th, 6:00 in the east. alisyn and i in vegas, baby, michaela in new york. this was the big night. we said the race would be different after this, indeed it is. we'll have to wait for the numbers but you've got to see for the first time face to face the two main choices in the democratic ration right now, hillary clinton, bernie sanders. they got a chance to talk policy. it was largely kept clean and that gave more of an opportunity for them to be drilling down. they had anderson cooper really being mike a maestro, taking them through, holding them accountable, testing them. the question is who made the grade, who did not? >> what a night it was for people who liked policy, you got some of that. for people who liked substance, you got some of that. it was not boring as donald trump predicted. it was compelling. the candidates were looking for a breakout moment, some of them had it, some didn't. what happens to the democratic field from here? let's begin cnn's comprehensive coverage with john berman who has stayed up all night

watching. he joins us now with highlights. >> back check true, staying up all night. what you saw here was a lot of preparations, candidates to looking to hit their marks on policy and personality. hillary clinton had done 25 presidential debates before this and last night it showed. >> it may have been the first democratic debate but it was clear it was not hillary clinton's first rodeo. running down a debate checklist with surgical precision. >> i would not ask anyone to vote for me based on my last name. >> her name, check. her appeal to the grass roots and pragmatic wings of the party, check, check. >> i'm a progressive but i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. >> her gender, check, check, check. >> i think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the presidents we've had up until this point. >> reporter: even apparently joking about an extended trip to the bathroom during commercial.

>> you know, it does take me a little longer. that's all i can say. >> reporter: but on what might have been the biggest must-do on her list, addressing the questions surrounding use of her private e-mail for national business she had a surprising assist from her leading opponent. vermont senator bernie sanders. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> reporter: even earning a smile and a handshake. clinton didn't exactly return the favor in one of the sharpest exchanges in the night when asked about sanders record of voting against certain gun control measures. >> secretary clinton, is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> no, not at all. i think we have to look at the fact that we lose 09 people a day from gun violence. >> what i can tell secretary clinton, all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns. >> reporter: sanders, the

self-proclaimed democratic socialist touted his battle against income inequality. >> you don't consider yourself a capitalist? >> do i consider myself as part of the casino capitalist which so few have so much and the others have so little, no, i don't. >> reporter: former maryland governor martin o'malley looking for a breakout moment hit hard on foreign policy. >> leading us into iraq under false pretenses and telling us, as a people, that there were weapons of mass destruction there was one of the worst blunders in modern american history. >> reporter: as for former virginia senator jim webb, polling in the single digits and barely campaigning, he fought to be noticed. >> trying to get in this conversation about ten minutes. i've been waiting for ten minutes. i will say this -- >> you're over your time. >> well, you've let a lot of people go over their time. >> reporter: former rhode island

gor governor lincoln chafee seemed to struggle to answer. perhaps the most telling moment was when hillary clinton was asked to list her enemies. >> in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians. probably the republicans. >> reporter: now with, more than any other candidate on that stage, she repeatedly tried to turn the focus from the ones on stage to the republican party. hillary clinton looking forward more than the other candidates. and of course none of the candidates did mention joe biden. there were five candidates on stage but maybe a sixth candidate in consideration when it comes to this democratic primary and there were open questions about what he thinks now about getting in this race. >> thanks so much for breaking that down. stay with us if you would. we want to break down everything

that happened, get analysis of the highlights and low lights. we want to bring in maggie haberman. cnn national political reporter maeve reston joins us and ron brownstein, editorial director of the national journal. great to have all of you with us. maggie, i want to start with you. obviously you've covered secretary clinton on the campaign trail. the big challenge for her last night was to seem relaxed, spontaneous, relatable. how did she do? >> i think she did great. she's a very, very good debater. she debated something like 25 times in the 2008 presidential primary. she was very good in her senate debates in 2000 in new york. she's good at this. she's not done this in seven years. she came back out on to the stage as if she never really left politics. she took a long hiatus from them. she was poised but not overly polished. she was funny, quick and effective in making her case against the person she was most

looking at, bernie sanders. she did not shy away from taking a fight to him on specific issues. when an opening presented itself early on guns, she seized on it. when she had the opportunity to describe herself as a progressive that likes to get things done,hat was a contrast to him. wall street and her answers on breaking up the big banks will come back to haunt her. that is an issue that i think riles up the bernie sanders base. it was by no means a gaffe or a mistake. i think they did very well. >> riles her up with who will be the question. democrats aren't going to be footing for the banks that much you'd have to expect. debate comes down to moments. let's look at some of the big moments and diagnose where we're calling them big in the first place. he gave a gift to hillary clinton last night when it comes to the scandal surrounding her e-mail. and in a larger sense, benghazi. take a listen. >> let me say something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right.

and that is, that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> now, ron, i have to tell you, you do not hear that in politics that often. >> no. >> ask the senator about it after the debate. i said a lot of people would have played to advantage. it's a real issue for a lot of people. he said it was the right thing to do. >> we talked about it yesterday. i think there is not a big market in the democratic primary electorate for attacking each other. they are worried about holding the white house and it's not the republican context where you have all this anger. >> you have a lot of democrats worried whether or not this injures her. >> exactly right. this has made it very difficult for the other democrats to raise this in the primary. i think it's essentially closed the issue to a large extent in the primary. it's not closed the issue entirely. there are independent processes going on. if she becomes the nominee, becomes an issue potentially in the general election. it was an important moment for

her i think the one way anybody can beat her is by enough democrats becoming convinced she's been fatally compromised as a general election nominee. this makes that much more difficult. >> on that same e-mail topic, there was a tell. a telltale sign when the question came up and anderson was asking it and a smile crossed hillary clinton lips and she began explaining it, meaning she had practiced, she had prepared, she was ready to hit it out of the park. however, there are some things you can't practice and that moment where lincoln chafee said, you know, this is about credibility. the american people do care about credibility. watch the moment that was seemingly spontaneous from hillary clinton. >> i think we need someone that has the best in ethical standards as our next president. that's how i feel. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> no. >> governor. >> maeve? >> joe biden actually has shown us this before in past debates, the one word answer sometimes is devastating.

it just shuts down the issue right there. chafee interestingly tried to come after her on character again and again in the debate. at first, everyone is a little bit taken off guard, like wait, who's this guy coming out of nowhere? but i think those attacks often fell flat because hillary clinton was always ready to come back with like just the sharp jab that would make it go away. >> that was the performance aspect where she did well. you can't rehearse that no exactly. >> right. >> you can't rehearse the question about who your biggest enemies are. she couldn't know anderson was going to ask that. she listed them, including the iranians, then pausing and saying the rains, she did well on her feet in the moment. >> you're preaching to the converted here in this room. what do you think about calling the republicans an enemy? >> i mean, democrats are looking for a fighter in this context. that was the way she was using it. >> or are they tired of fighters? >> no. in the party right now, both parties, as the country is polarized there's a big market for someone who will go out and assert the party's values.

kind of broaden that point, to me, the biggest single message was where the overall democratic party has moved. you see the magnitude of the bet they are placing here, chris. relative to obama and certainly relative to ben carson across a wide range of issues they have all moved to the left. they aretting about the that market will bear more kind after guessive role for government than the party has thought they could sell in recent election. the country has changed. the country changed. has it changed as much as they think? that's now an open question. >> bernie sanders won even before last night. the debate shifted even before the first official debate. >> it also was such an interesting contrast. we think about the way the republicans have been doing that on the same side. we have both parties moving farther and farther apart. all of these people in the middle watching these debates saying where do i belong? >> her strategy was she stopped just short of him. hillary clinton stopped just short of bernie sanders on five or six different issues. she didn't go all the way that he did. it move her to the left.

>> i think the biggest moment of that, maggie, she made that denmark comparison last night. >> came out against denmark. >> when bernie was trying to explain what socialism is. hillary then said we're not denmark. do you think that really drew a stark distinction for the voters? >> i do. i think it was a stark contrast. one of the moments where bernie sanders struggled was trying to explain what democratic socialism is. i think bernie sanders did not -- i good he with everything that ron said by the way. i think that the party collectively has moved. you saw that with uhl at candidates last night. there were differences between them but they were nowhere what we saw with the two republican debates. it was very different. also in terms of joe biden's calculation or his interest in looking at this debate, i had a hard time discerning what the clear opening was for him getting into this race, among other things you did see hillary clinton embrace presidnt obama. she used him to combat a question about her on the iraq war. she pointed to him another of

time. if you're joe biden and you're watching this debate, it is hard to see how you come away thinking she really is so wounded that there is a great opening here. >> i was hearing from f.o.j. during the debate. >> friends of joe. >> they were saying who's the alternative? that's the calculus. is there an appetite for someone other than hillary if she gets beat up over these e-mail and benghazi questions. >> we have much more coming up on "new day." democratic candidate and former maryland governor martin o'malley will be here. he will join us live in our next hour. we also will speak with hillary clinton's campaign chair, john podesta. at 8:00 we'll hear from the bernie sanders campaign, his campaign manager jeff weaver will join us with what they thought were the highlights. >> jeff weaver been working for bernie sanders for 20 years. now you have bernie sanders calling for a revolution in this country. we spoke to the vermont senator

right after the debate and his wife about what it means to be a democratic socialist. does he think he got past that question with the american voter? what did he say? you test it, next.

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this was a very big night for the race for the voter and for the candidates. this was their big moment. i'll tell you, in the moments right before those closing statements, i saw bernie sanders, he was sitting in a chair off the stage, his hands on his lap, eyes were closed. he was thinking. you see senator sanders and you're like he's got this, this is what he does. this was a big night for him. went up to him after the debate, he looked tired. hillary looked tired. >> they burned a lot of calories on that stage. >> he gave what they're calling the gift to hillary clinton last night. yes, these are all democrats, they're preaching to the converted. he closed the door on the e-mail scandal.

i've never seen anybody do it the way he did it. we wanted to talk to him about it and the experience. here's what he had to say. i saw you backstage right before the closing statements. you were in a quiet moment. where was your head in that moment? >> trying to make the case in the short period of time that we have that if the middle class of this country is going to survive, if we're going to deal with income and wealth inequality, we need some very profound changes to the way we do business in this country. >> you harped on substance from the beginning about what you wanted this debate about to be about. there was a lot of substance in it by all accounts. the line of the night came from you and what people are calling a gift to hillary clinton. enough with your damn e-mail. what motivated that. >> i think the american people want substantive discussions on substantive issues. look, the middle class in this country is disappearing. we have 27 million people living in poverty.

we have a campaign finance system which is corrupt. the rich are getting richer, everybody else is getting poorer. those are the issues that the american people want discussed. there is a process in place for the e-mail situation that hillary clinton is dealing with. let it play itself out. as a nation, let us start focusing on why it is that so few have so much and so many have so little. >> others would have chosen to play to advantage. you did not because? >> because i think it was the right thing to do. i think the american people want substantive debate. on the real issues that are affecting their families. >> do you think you overcame questions that people have as to the how with some of your plans and to the what when it comes to how you described yourself politically, democrat socialist. >> absolutely. i hope i did. i can't say that i did. we are paying for every public policy idea that we brought forth. i think overwhelmingly, the

american people do believe we have to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create millions of jobs doing that and that we pay for that by doing away with outrageous tax breaks that corporate america is getting. the american people do understand that we have got to treat public colleges and universities tuition-free, so that all of our young people have the opportunity to go to college, regardless of their income. people are disgusted. i can't tell you, chris, whether they're republicans, democrats, moderates, progressives, people are disgusted with the campaign finance system that allows billionaires to buy elections. >> what do you tell people to convince them that you can create the large-scale sweeping change that you're asking to. nobody is asking to do as much as you are. what do you tell them about how you can get it done? >> what i can tell them is that tonight, there are probably 100,000 people at house parties as part of the bernie sanders campaign. we have brought out some of the largest crowds that people have

seen in many, many years, that there is a level of energy and enthusiasm in our campaign that we're not seeing elsewhere. people are ready for a political revolution. they're ready to transform america. that's what our campaign is about. >> this is going to be a tough question for you. the word is that the crowds are actually coming out to see jane. are you okay with that? she's here now. there's a lot of time it started on you, the camera, and went to jane. i'd rather hear from jane. how do you feel your man did tonight. >> he did great. he speaks the truth. he comes from principle. he knows what it believes and he put it out there. >> what is the experience like? this was probably the biggest night so far in the campaign for you and everybody up there. >> it did go very quickly. i think the point needs to be made, is that while there are differences of opinion up here, this was a serious substantive debate on major crises facing our country, unlike the republican debate which was name calling and, you know, it seemed like a food fight rather than a

substantive debate. >> biggest thing that got left on the table tonight that you still want to address with the american people? >> income and wealth inequality. i don't think we spent enough time on that. to my mind it's the great moral issue, the great economic issue and political issue. we should not be living in a country where the top one-tenth of the country owns as much wealth as the bottom 90%. that is just not right. >> income inequality. he had a laser-like focus on that last night. that is his battle cry. it works for him. he seems obviously very authentic when he talks about it. he gets aplauz lines. it was interesting to hear what he felt was the big issue. >> it works because it's a real bridge issue. the people who aren't doing well enough are not owned by either political party. they are by both. it's certainly fertile ground. did he make the case to democrats, to independents, that he's that person?

is he their choice? that's going to be -- that's beginning to be the bar for him. and really, for all of them, ultimately. i'll tell you what, it's a blessing and a curse what happened in this debate last night. he closed the door on that e-mail discussion for a lot of people on that stage. they'll be ashamed to talk about it. but the voters have interest in hillary's e-mails and benghazi. speaking of her, she's clearly the front-runner. objectively you have to give it to her. last night she came out strong and showed why she's in the lead. she, therefore, has the most to lose. how did she do in terms of protecting her interests for the general election? we talked to the big shots, coming up. when broker chris hill stays at laquinta and fires up free wi-fi, with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before you know what he can do? let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks! book your next stay at lq.com! if i wanhello.o up...

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keystone until i took a position on keystone. >> well, that was hillary clinton defending her record against claims that she has flip-flopped for political gain. did she put that criticism to rest last night? let's bring in former hillary clinton press secretary lisa caputo and cnn political commentator and republican strategist kevin madden. great to have all of you here. kevin, i want to start with you. i know what the ladies will say as to whether or not hillary clinton hit that out of the park. >> i'm not going to offer too many surprises either. >> anderson cooper asked it a couple different ways. she says she's evolve. her critics say she's flip-flopped. let me play for you one more moment and then you can answer how she did. >> like most human beings including those of us who run for office, i do absorb new information. i do look at what's happening in the world.

you know, take the trade deal. i did say when i was secretary of state three years ago that i hoped it would be the gold standard. it was just finally negotiated last week. and in looking at it, it didn't meet my standards. >> how was that response? >> i think one of the big vulnerabilities that hillary clinton has is that she's seen as a calculating politician who tries to go with the flow of the day on some of these big issues. i think that's one of the things that sort of emerged. chris mentioned this earlier that debates are about big moments. i think as much as she had good moments there, she had bad moments. >> was that a bad moment or a good moment. >> that and also the keystone answer that she had reinforced for a lot of voters that she is a calculating politician. at a time where what they want are the bold new ideas. >> patty, the big moment last night in terms of what kevin wanted to hear about, the blessing and the curse, the gift it's being called.

let's play what bernie sanders did for hillary clinton last night in this debate. >> let me say something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired about hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> blessing and curse. blessing last night. distracted from it, this was her first time out of the box. he wants to talk substance. he doesn't want time taken up by talking about this. outside that room, coop was right, this matters. blessing last night, curse because she has to deal with that. >> i don't think he was trying to defend her or be gentlemenly. i think he believes the american people are sick and tired about talking about the damn e-mails. i think he was being awe then

di -- authentic bernie. it's not going to way. what's different now before that hearing is that hillary is no longer on the defensive, thanks to kevin mccarthy. trey goud didwdy is on the offe now. this has been dubbed a political witch hunt. he has to defend the e-mail stuff rather than going after the benghazi stuff. >> in fact, lisa, there was a moment when this issue came up, anderson started talking about it and a telltale smile crossed hillary clinton's lips. let's watch the moment where she talked first about her e-mails. >> let's just take a minute here and point out that this committee is basically an arm of the republican national committee. it is a partisan vehicle as

admitted by the house republican majority leader, mr. maccarthy o drive down by poll numbers. big surprise. that's what they have attempted to do. i am still standing. i am happy to be part of this debate. >> so, lisa, you heard the democratic crowd loved that. of course sometimes statements like that make republicans dig in more. what do you think happens? >> i think a couple of things. first of all, let me just address what kevin said. i think it's important on her position on keystone and on the trade deal. these -- that's a responsible answer that she gave. any smart lawmaker evolves, you know, their thinking and their positions as they look at the issues over time. second, with regard to the e-mail, i think that hillary nailed it and she was forward looking but also called it out just as it is, which is, you know, a highly politicized witch

hunt where a lot of money has been spent, over $4 million. i think she will answer the questions next week when she goes before the committee. she's been very transparent about it. she got an in-kind contribution, if you will, from bernie sanders last night, saying enough of the e-mails. >> all right. there you go. lisa, patty, kevin, thanks so much for all of that. we'll be pying much more. we have much more on the debate ahead. first, we go to michaela in new york. she has a look at other news and headlines to tell you about. we'll get back to you in las vegas in a moment. let's take a look at the headlines with israelis and palestinians in the midst of the worst unrest in years. secretary of state john kerry says he will travel to the middle east soon in hopes of stemming the escalating violence. this comes after the government announced a series of security measures that include closing palestinian districts in jerusalem.

another close call in the skies over syria between russian and u.s. warplanes. officials say the planes were within visual range of each other, separated by just 10 to 20 miles on saturday. fortunately no one was hurt. both countries now agreeing to hold a third round of talks later today on air safety in the region. u.s. secretary of defense ash carter says he expects a deal soon. this quite concerning. lamar odom rushed to a las vegas hospital. he was fond unconscious inside a nevada brothel tuesday afternoon. the owner of love ranch said he had been taking an herbal version of viagra. entertainment websites are reporting that odom's ex-wife khloe kardashian is at his hospital bedside. >> 35 minutes past the hour here in new york. let us head west to where we find alisyn and chris. you guys are looking fairly awake and alive, as though vegas

treated you well, i must say. >> thank you, michaela. i got a couple hours sleep. and you? >> i believe sleep is for the weak. the first democratic debate is now in the books. there are five left but the first one is always the biggest. it's biggest for the candidates, it's biggest for the voters and there is going to be controversy about this, because the top dnc official says the head of the party did not consult party leaders about limiting the number of debates. this is a big issue here. the rains are doing more, are they trying to protect hillary? what's going on? the chair of the dnc is going to be on "new day" to answer the questions about what's going on with their party, next. you tuck here...

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after last night you still have five more democratic debates to go, you may be like, well, that's a lot. there are a lot of people saying it's not enough as well, because before the democratic national convention, and the republican one, the republicans will have a lot more debates than the democrats. now, the dnc says that the party chair did not consult its leadership about limiting the number of democratic debates to six. let's talk about this. we'll talk to the chairwoman of the democratic national committee, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> the intrigue here is obvious. they're doing more debates than you. why is this the first call? >> first of all, i'm so proud of our democratic field last night. we had more substance and a more clear picture of how any of our candidates would move our nation forward in 2 1/2 hour of our debate than in the nearly ten hours that the republican had in their two debates. the focus now needs to be not on process but on our candidates.

on the clear and stark contrast between our candidates who are talking about comprehensive immigration reform and making sure that we can help people build those corner stones of a middle class life and the republicans that have been in a slugfest. last night was the most substantive debate than i've seen. >> why not have more? >> we have a variety and a need for a variety of opportunities to take -- give our candidates a chance to be seen in different venues. we have five candidates and six debates. the rains now have 15 candidates. they have about 11 debates. there's a proportional issue. the last time in 2008 we had an open presidency, had like 26 debates. think about how many times and the resources and time that have to go in to preparing for a debate. there are four early primary states like nevada, new hampshire, those voters want a chance to kick the tires, get an up close and personal look.

>> sure. >> it's a manageable way to do it in addition to candidate forms. >> the candidates themselves are saying they want more debates. the voters love the debates, loved what they saw last night, they would like more. tulsi gabbard say you basically unilaterally decided there would be six and to limit it to six. let me play what she said. >> the chairwoman claimed a month ago she had spoken with, communicated and consulted with officers of the dnc about her decision to limit debates to six and to put this retribution policy in place, this exclusivity clause. that never occurred. i can tell you, speaking for myself, i didn't find out about her decision until after the fact. there was no consultation and no communication. >> why didn't you consult with congresswoman gabbard? >> i think it's unfortunate that congresswoman gabbard is focused

on anything other than making sure that we can highlight our incredible candidates. what she's saying is simply not true. >> did you consult with her? >> i consulted with our officers. i consulted with -- at the end of the day i have a party i have to run. i have to get our primary nominating contest process in place. i have to prepare the national party to support the nominee. there's a lot going on. >> so you spoke with her about it? >> i spoke with her and a number of it. >> she agreed that six was fine. >> we went through a process. we don't have an approval process. ultimately the party chair is a full-time job. i've got a lot of decisions that have to be made. of course we consult and we talk to people throughout the process. but at the end of the day, i have to make the kinds of decisions that are going to help us be the most effective. making sure we have a reasonable number of debates, making sure we have an opportunity for our candidates to be seen and clearly, like last night, an opportunity for there to be a

stark and clear contrast. ultimately that's how we won five of the last six presidential elections. >> i get your frustration with this. we've known each other a long time. i'm getting the phone calls from the party faithful who aren't happy about this strife. >> this is silly already. this isn't about tulsi gabbard and debbie wasserman schultz. >> i hear you. >> we're talking about process the morning after the debate instead of the actual substance of the debate. that's not what the voters want to hear. >> true, except the party has huge influence. you do like to know the insight of how much on the same page you are. this is odd for someone like a tulsi gabbard making something up. it's not her reputation. it's not yours either. why would she say that? >> i have no idea. i think it's unfortunate she's decided that in the last day and a half we're going to focus on her and her opinion.

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welcome back to "new day." so which candidates resonated most with voters last night? we are joined by three nevada democrats to weigh in on the candidates and the issues and the performances from last night. erica washington is here, louie overstreet and elaine herd. great to have all of you with us this morning. >> thank you. >> thanks so much for getting up early. elaine, i know you support hillary. >> that's correct. >> you also love bernie. >> i do. >> what did you see last night. >> i saw a strong hillary clinton but bernie did a wonderful job. she's the most qualified candidate in the race. if bernie were to win the nomination, i would support him 100%. of the two, i am still a hillary supporter. last night proved to me she is the candidate i can best support by i still do love bernie

sanders. >> louie, a big challenge for senator sanders was expand his message into other voter groups. he was trying to reach out last night. he talked about black lives matters as a movement and why it's relevant. what did you take away from it? >> i thought he did an excellent job. to be honest, mr. cuomo, i thought o'malley really helped himself in the debate. >> did you? >> he did a fantastic job. >> how so? >> he was very comfortable. looked more presidential than the other candidates combined to be honest with you. my heart is with sanders, my head is with clinton but i have to give o'malley props. i think he's going to help himself. >> if you give the heart to bernie, the head to hillary, what do you give to martin, the soul? >> maybe the money. >> let's look at the issue of black lives matter, when it came up. watch this. >> do black lives matter or do all lives matter? >> black lives matter.

>> the point that black lives matter movement is making is a very, very legitimate and serious point. >> we've got to do more about the lives of these children. >> as a president of the united states, every life in this country matters. >> so that was interesting. every candidate had a different answer to that. were you satisfied? >> no, i wasn't satisfied at all. i think that, especially the last answer, you know, i get how -- every life does matter but right now we're talking about black lives. it's so important that the candidates make it a pressing matter that we are in a state of emergency when it comes to black americans in inner cities. >> who addressed your issues of all the candidates last night? >> i would say bernie sanders. i think he did a really great job. i like hillary. i really do. she was poised and confident. she's very presidential as well. but you expect that. she's been doing this for a long time. bernie sanders, he's got the fire in his belly.

>> #feel the burn. >> exactly. heartburn, whatever it is. >> elaine, you democrats are a little different than the republicans in one way, when it comes to campaigning. you like to be inspired. capturing the imagination, you've had a history of big leaders, big voices. you say hillary clinton impressed you last night with being presidential. do you feel inspired by her? if so, why? >> i feel inspired because she would make a great president and i don't see what else really matters in all of this. you could have the showmanship of a donald trump. she is not a showman. she's a very poised, articulate, competent, highly experienced individual. so if that can't inspire people to have them support her as a commander in chief, i don't know what to say. she is not going to be a donald trump or a carly fiorina. that's not who she is. and why we should demand that of our candidates, i don't understand.

>> louie, what issues were you looking to have answered or at least debated last night? >> i think they touched on most of them. my biggest concern is gun violence that's taking place in america. >> they debated that last night. they got into it. what did you hear them say. >> they said a lot more than the republicans. i'm hopeful through executive action, i don't think it's realistic to think congress will do anything in that regard, the wealth income gap and things of that nature are at the top of my list. they touched on them all, maybe due to the size of only five being on the stage, they were really in depth as compared to the ten republicans. >> who is still holding out in terms of what you need to know. >> i need to know what are we going to do for income inequality for women and making child care affordable. the moinimum wage must be raise.

it's important for families to be able to survive. they need to thrive in america. >> they're saying they want to do it, right? >> they're saying -- >> you're hearing that from a handful of democrats. your question is how are you going to do it? >> exactly. >> who do you think has the best chance of making that happen? >> bernie sanders. >> do you think he can get somebody to work with him on that? >> that's the thing. i think bernie sanders has the great ideas and the gumption. but i'm not sure. are people on other side going to work with him? he doesn't seem easy to work with. that doesn't mean that it can't be done. if everybody is out for america to be the best that it can be and if everyone is for america to thrive, then that's what they need to do. they need to work together. >> i know you've said you had your eye on martin o'malley last night. we have governor o'malley coming up in a short time. what question do you still have for him that you want to us ask? >> i would like to see he and

hillary run as a team. i think they can cover twice as much of the country in half the time. if the democrats are smart, which i'm not agreeing that they are, they would campaign as a team and announce as a team. they'd be the ticket to beat in 2016. i would like to see him agree to be hillary clinton's vice president. >> that's a good question. >> quick head nods. would you like a hillary/o'malley ticket? >> i wouldn't have a problem with it. >> maybe. it's something to think about. i'd rather have a bernie/hillary ticket. that would work better for me. >> there you go. erica, louie, elaine, thank you so much. great insigs. >> much more with our voter panel later in the show. stick around for that. all right. we have much more on last night's debate. there's a lot of news going on this morning. let's get right to it. the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. >> tonight i want to talk not about my e-mails -- >> enough of the e-mails.

>> is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> no. not at all. >> wall street's greed and recklessness wrecked this economy. >> i was very pleased when governor o'malley endorsed me for president in 2008. >> are you saying you didn't know what you were voting for? >> i just arrived in senate. >> you leave a lot of people go over their time. i would say this. >> do you agree -- >> leading us into iraq under false pretenses was one of the first blunders. >> being the first woman president would be quite a change. >> i don't think i'm pandering but you have not been in the united states congress. if we are a free country, we have the right to be free. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day." chris and i are coming to you live from las vegas. michaela, of course, is in new york covering other news. you saw it right here on cnn last night. it was the first democratic

presidential debate. hillary clinton and bernie sanders going head to head. hillary clinton trying to restore voter trust, sanders, though, getting the loudest reaction of the night when he called hillary's e-mail scandal her damn e-mails. >> loudest reaction of the night but it was an endorsement for hillary. it was a mixed bag when he made that line. they're all trying to make an impression on the american people. the question is could last night have spelled the end for one of them? can't stay five forever, right in let's begin our comprehensive analysis of the big debate with mr. john berman. >> those five candidates combined had a total of 25 presidential primary debates before, hillary clinton accounted for all 25 of them. to an xen, last night it really showed. it may have been the first democratic debate but it was clear it was not hillary

clinton's first rodeo. running down a debate checklist with surgical precision. >> i would not ask anyone to vote for me based on my last name. >> her name, check. her appeal to the grass roots and pragmatic wings of the party, check, check. >> i'm a progressive but i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. >> her gender, check, check, check. >> i think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the presidents we've had up until this point. >> reporter: even apparently joking about an extended trip to the bathroom during commercial. >> you know, it does take me a little longer. that's all i can say. >> reporter: but on what might have been the biggest must-do on her list, addressing the questions surrounding use of her private e-mail for national business, she had a surprising assist from her leading opponent. vermont senator bernie sanders. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> reporter: even earning a smile and a handshake.

clinton didn't exactly return the favor in one of the sharpest exchanges of the night when asked about sanders voting against certain gun control measures. >> secretary clinton, is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> no, not at all. i think we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence. >> what i can tell secretary clinton, all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns. >> reporter: sanders, the self-proclaimed democratic socialist touted his battle against income inequality. >> you don't consider yourself a capitalist? >> do i consider myself as part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little, by which wall street's greed and recklessness wrecked this economy? no, i don't. >> reporter: former maryland governor martin o'malley looking for a breakout moment hit hard

on foreign policy. >> leading us into iraq under false pretenses and telling us, as a people, that there were weapons of mass destruction there was one of the worst blunders in modern american history. >> reporter: as for former virginia senator jim webb, polling in the single digits and barely campaigning, he fought to be noticed. >> trying to get in this conversation about ten minutes. i've been waiting for ten minutes. i will say this -- >> you're over your time. >> well, you've let a lot of people go over their time. >> reporter: former rhode island governor lincoln chafee seemed to struggle to answer. questions about his record. >> i just arrived, my dad died in office. i was appointed to office. >> are you saying you didn't know what you were voting for? >> reporter: perhaps the most telling moment was when hillary clinton was asked to list her enemies. >> in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians. probably the republicans.

>> reporter: quite a few times during the debate, hillary clinton tried to turn the focus to the republican party. to the general election. more than any other candidate, she did a little bit of looking forward. although she has to get through the primary process first to be sure. >> this was the first step last night being measured against everybody else. stay with us. let's get analysis going on now. we have cnn political reporter maeve reston, jeff zeleny and in new york, mr. errol lewis, cnn political commentator and political anchor at new york one. what was the perspective from new york? we were out here in vegas, berman was gone most of the night. nobody knows where he was. errol lewis, when you looked at it last night, what was the bar for success? who made it, who fell short? >> the bar for success was the burden of success where the breakthrough moments we all were watching for and didn't quite see from o'malley and the other

candidates. o'malley in particular, i was a little surprised by. i thought the most obvious thing that he could have said is that it's time to turn the corner and he represents a younger generation. he came across as old and almost stiff. he came across as sort of almost solemn in his approach. and i don't know that that's really the right way to break through. i was waiting to hear from him about what it was like to be a young vigorous executive who had run around outside of washington trying to get things done and make some change. he didn't use that opportunity. lincoln chafee had just an awful night. he's not somebody who has been a democrat for very long. i think that that showed. he's not somebody who has debated or campaigned much. the same was true for webb. i thought of this as really sort of a one-on-one debate between clinton and sanders. and it looked like the others were sort of trying to get in and you were kind of waiting, in my case hoping they were going to bring something new to a

debate locking into a pattern. we didn't see that last night. >> jeff, do you agree with errol's assessment that the lower three-tier candidates had a lackluster performance? >> i don't. i think martin o'malley had a good performance. he was trying to use this as an toon to the introduce himself to the biggest audience he's had. now, i hate to keep going back to 2007, that campaign. by this point, there had been so many debates. this is the first one here. he was just introducing himself. i think martin o'malley actually did pretty well. he did himself a lot of good. you do not want to introduce yourself by being the angry person. >> he was saying by being youthful. >> he did make that generational argume argument, you know, which was a soft blow against the clinton candidacy. i really do think when it's your first introduction he really needed to hit all the points on his record an he did that. there was not necessarily a big breakthrough moment for him but it was a smooth, even

performance. >> you have do no harm versus you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. think of marco rubio. he talks about being generational with every answer he gives. martin o'malley did not do that last night. is that an unfair critique? >> i think martin o'malley has a hard job. martin o'malley was hillary clinton's biggest supporter on the campaign trail in 2008, something was was only too happy to point out on the campaign trail. >> he said things change. >> he did. he has to explain why things change in a clear, concise way at the same time he's presenting himself to an america who hasn't seen him before. i think he, jeff, has a point. america saw him, oh, there's this guy from maryland that we're going to look at. they're going to give him a chance but he has to seal the deal and do it soon. >> errol, hillary clinton's challenge was to seem approachable, seem spontaneous. we played that moment where she was asked -- she couldn't have known she was going to be asked about who her enemies were. she seemed to relish it.

took her time, smiled and gave the zinger, the republicans. there was another moment she couldn't have predicted. that was when lincoln chafee talked about her character and anderson asked if she wanted to respond. watch this moment. >> i think we need someone that has the best in ethical standards as our next president. that's how i feel. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> no. >> governor -- >> errol, what did you think about her performance overall? >> she was basically saying you don't belong on the stage with me, i don't have to answer these kind of questions. lincoln chafee put his finger on something that was important. one of the issues about hillary clinton and so-called clinton fatigue, she's been involved in a number of ethical scrapes that go back decades at this point. there are core democrats who are also feeling as if they've heard too much of this stuff.

there are too many instances in which you have to deal with it. hillary clinton knows how to deflect that stuff. she did it right there with one word. >> how did she do with the hillary bar? it's specific to her. no less than carl bernstein wrote a book about her relationship with the truth. it came down like a hammer. did she check the box of how she deals with the negatives, jeff? bernie gave her the gift last night. >> right. >> did she check the box of being able to inspire people? that's a big thing. >> that is a big thing. that's been one of the central frustrations of her candidacy, she's been unable to spark this enthusiasm for someone who should be out there who's in the best position to be the first woman president. i think she tried to do that last night. we heard her a few times saying she would be different from barack obama because she would be a woman in the white house. there are some moments from the debate last night that are going to live on for her, specifically keystone. that position, republicans are just chomping at the bit to use that against her. she said i didn't give a

position on keystone until i gave a position on keystone. that really sounds like it came from the heart. >> it sounds like i was against it until i was for it. >> totally. >> that clinton legalese that a lot of democratic voters, you know, jeff and i have been out on the ground in new hampshire and iowa a lot. that's what they bring up a lot. they don't like the legalese. the fact that she often seems in a defensive crowd, certainly on the e-mail issue, for example. i did think the enemies moment, for example, that was the point in debate where you were like she's having a good time. >> drop the mike moment. >> last round. last call. >> yes, exactly. she seemed very comfortable in a way that she hasn't a lot of times during this campaign on the trail. when she's been defending over and over again e-mails, benghazi, et cetera. >> it was a bit of a xanax moment. one of her supporters told me, wow, she's back, she has this. they've been worried all summer.

she reassured her supporters. did she win over any new people, inspi inspire new people? i'm not sure she did. >> she's graded on a different curve. she's been in the public eye for 24 years. if you don't have an opinion on hillary clinton already, where have you been? >> there's a whole new generation of young voters. when i see the young voters at bernie sanders rallies, i'm like why aren't you with hillary clinton? they're like, i'm looking for someone new. >> did bernie sanders win over new people last night? >> i think he might have to tell you the truth. he's been mostly a name that's floating out there for those who don't follow politics closely or haven't had a chance to see him on the campaign trail, which is most voters. i thought he med a strong case for what he believes in. now, there are some who will say it's pie in the sky, we're never going to get a $15 minimum wage. never going to get free college tuition for everybody who goes to a public university. there are also those who say, well, at least that's the right idea.

and whether or not he can pull it off is a question maybe we'll tackle later on in the campaign. i thought he did himself a pretty good -- he had a pretty good night and he did himself a really good service by let everybody know exactly what he stands for, including not ducking his very unpopular title of socialist. i thought that was the right thing to do, not to play games with it but just to say this is what i believe. if you like it, give me a try. >> all right. we have to leave it there. errol. maeve, hold that thought. much more coming up on "new day," coming up in this hour. stick around. we have democratic candidate, former maryland governor martin o'malley. he will join us to answer even more questions. also, bernie sanders' campaign manager jeff weaver joins us to tell us what he thinks the big moment was last night. we will also speak with hillary clinton's campaign chair, john podesta. all that coming up. stick around. he's next.

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here we are at the wynn casino in las vegas. and last night was a big gamble for the democrats on stage. how would they be received? how would they do with each other in hillary clinton and her team feeling good and strong after this first debate last night. hillary clinton had to come out and she had to show why she is the front-runner. so how did she do? how did she do with the

criticism? how did she do with the complaints? how did she do with the bar for being number one? joining us now is chairman of her presidential campaign, hillary for america and former white house steve of staff to president bill clinton, mr. john podest podesta. >> good morning. >> i am the proxy for the american voter. let's see how you believe hillary made the case last night. the first bar was prove why you're in the lead. do you believe hillary clinton did that? why was she the best on the stage. >> i thought she crushed it last night. she laid out her vision for where she wanted to take the can't. i thought she connected quite directly with the people she was trying to help. she brought the policy down it a level of talking about the people she's met along the way. the students she met in las vegas who needed afordable college. the dreamers that she met again her in las vegas. and what it men for immigration reform. she took the policy issues and brought them right down to the

kitchen table. and i think that's what she needed to do to connect with people in their heart. i thought she crushed it. >> i want to hear, play some sound for you, i want to you to tell me how big a fruit basket you sent to bernie sanders. this is being called the gift given to hillary clinton from senator sanders. >> i'm going to say something that may not be great politics but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> said like a true vermonter. in the room played very well, anderson cooper astutely pointed out, not outside this room. how do you deal with the legitimate questions from the e-mail and baeg? different issues. >> yes. well, bernie, i thought he was gracious and voicing the frustration of many democrats. they want to hear about their

lives and what's going on in them. so i think he helped us, i think, but he also helped himself. he really did voice what was going on. >> but you know there's concern for your democrats. you know what it is when it comes to this stuff, will she be so injured by this that she'll be hobbled in a general election? >> i think she's answered that. she's been out there, answering questions. she's done just a ton of interviews. as she said, she said it last night, she made a mistake. she's taken responsibility for it. she's ask that all the e-mails be disclosed. when they are disclosed they help her, as secretary of state projecting values around the globe. next week we'll get a chance to testify in public in the so-called benghazi hearing. i think that the chairman gowdy and the other republicans on that committee go into that hearing hobbled because of what the majority leader, mr. mccarthy said this was a

political exercise designed to hurt her and drive her number down. they go in hobbled. they'll have a quick chance to ask her any questions they want and she'll answer them. i think at that point we're kind of beginning to put an end to this. >> benghazi, they've been banged up because of what happened with mccarthy and a little bit of the intrigue with gaudy. the speculation that's unfair is the speculation she may be indicted. the criminal reference is not to hillary personally but that is not what the fbi is saying. hey, this could wind up being criminal where hillary clinton is involved? >> well, we've been -- my answer is we've been through a lot of speculation over the course of the summer. but the facts are the facts. which is they're doing a security review. we've cooperated fully. she's turned over everything. she's answered questions. and as the justice department has indicated, this is not a criminal inquiry directed at her. it's a security review.

and it's in their hands. we've done what we can do. she's done what she can do. she's tried to be transparent here. she's answered questions. and ultimately the public will have to judge. is her e-mail practice as secretary of state matter more to them than the job she con do for them going forward? i'm pretty confident. i think she is, too. that they'll render a judgment about that that will favor her because she's the person who can fight and succeed on behalf of working people. >> fair criticism that keystone pipeline, the trade deal is hillary clinton picking spots to disagree in a way that will play to her advantage right now? >> i think, again, last night she talked about how much it men the to her to serve the president of the united states. they had had that tough fight in the primaries. he respected her judgment, as secretary of state she was glad to serve him. i think she thinks he's done a remarkable job on the economy

and health care, et cetera. but there are a few differences. i think with respect to keystone, i wonder whether at the end of the day there will a difference. i think she just got tired of waiting for the process to unfold. wanted to give him the time to make a decision. i kind of have the feeling maybe he'll end up in the same place she is rather than vice versa. >> guns. we saw hillary clinton one of the things that makes her potentially more attractive in a general election is her attitude towards the bank and banking in general. certainly not as strong as bernie sanders or even o'malley in terms of what they want to do with the banks. pragmatism in getting independents and republicans. on guns, does hillary clinton believe gun manufacturers should be able to be sued by people in a way that other companies are not? >> no. what you're really talking about, chris, is exactly the opposite. the bill that bernie voted for -- >> you're talking about the bush law in the '90s? >> no, in 2007. >> the more recent one. okay. >> so the bill that he voted for

does exactly the opposite. it gives special immunity to gun manufacturers that most companies don't -- no other companies actually have. they have special protection, not -- it's not that we're looking to give them a special obligation. i think that people judge that and say what's that all about? how can somebody be for accountability for every other business in america but not for gun manufacturers? i think that's a clear difference. i think that senator sanders has moved, really, just over the weekend, to saying he wants to revisit that. but that's a clear difference and one that i think we'll hear more about in the weeks and days to come. >> we'll plum that. the secretary is always invited on "new day." we invite all the candidates to come on to do issue-oriented discussions. some accept, some don't. >> we'll have to do that when

we're on the east coast. >> we'll come wherever she is. >> i have the code there, mr. podesta. congratulations on last night. >> thanks. take care. >> alisyn? coming up, we'll talk about all of the hot issues that came up last night during the debate. our panel will break it down. who came out ahead? we'll be right back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam.

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the candidates tackling major issues last night, like gun control and the conflict in syria. what differences have come out now between the candidates? let's talk about all of that with our cnn national security commentator and former chair of the house intelligence committee, mike rodgers. also founder of correct the record, that's a research team designed to defend hillary clinton. david barack is here and hilary rosen as well.

what a fascinating debate, particularly on the issues. mike rogers within let me start with you. martin o'malley and hillary clinton did differ on how they see what should be done in syria. let me play for you the moment they talked about the no-fly zone. >> i believe that a no-fly zone in syria at this time actually, secretary, would be a mistake. you have to enforce no-fly zones. i believe, especially with the russian air force in the air, it could lead to an escalation because of an accident that we would deeply regret. >> what i believe and why i have advocated that the no-floe fly zone which would of course be in a coalition be put on the table, i'm trying to figure out what leverage we have to get russia to the table. diplomacy is not about getting to the perfect solution. it's about how you balance the risk. >> who was right in your mind in this conflict? >> from my perspective, hillary is exactly right. i thought this was interesting.

this probably didn't sell well with her democrat base. it clearly didn't on social media when they were doing the scoring on the issues. bernie sanders' points went way up. hers went down. it was gutsy to do it. she told the real truth about the problem in syria. >> why is it the real truth? >> if you want to stop their ability to recruit, train and finance people, including trying to encourage operations in the united states, you have to take concrete kaction. if you want that the coalition, you have to get your arab league partners back together. what she said is one concrete thing we can do is show we mean business. and a no-fly zone means business. >> it's good i have you here next to me. i feel i'm about to get double-teamed on this one. let's play bernie's gift to hillary clinton last night. i'll tell you what he said. he said it may not be politically correct, okay, good,

he'll say it better than i did. >> let me say something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> you know, the american -- >> maybe in that room, maybe senator sanders because he wants to talk about other things other than hillary clinton, but maybe in that room, people care about her e-mail. the department of justice cares. the fbi cares. was that fair? >> you're right. i think it was fair. democrats do not think this e-mail trorccontroversy is a bi deal. >> the cnn poll had 50% of democrats thinking it had to be looked into. >> hillary was effective in saying this is a partisan driven investigation in the republicans' own words now. >> that's the benghazi part. >> benghazi has morphed into e-mail. just like whitewater --

>> gowdy said it had nothing to do with it. >> but why are they investigating it? >> that's the conflation. politically they took a blow, mccarthy when he said that. >> sure. >> people care. you have the fbi looking at it. bernie sanders, that's why i'm calling it a gift. was that fair that you throw it out, nobody wants to talk about this. >> this was a win/win. this was good for bernie sanders to do, too. democrats do care that the truth about the e-mails came out. they like it that hillary clinton -- >> or comes out. >> took responsibility for it and all these e-mails will be public. but democrats in particular really want these other issues discussed. i think that's the key that bernie sanders turned last night when he said let's start talking about the issues that matter. i don't care about listening any more to the media, talking about your e-mails. he spoke for all democrats last night. that helps him. >> another issue that matters to people, we've been talking about a lot in the past few weeks, gun

control. there are zings between the candidates. let's listen to what hillary clinton and bernie sanders each said about that. >> this was a large and complicated bill. there were provisions in it that made sense, for example, do i think that a gun shop in the state of vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody and that somebody goes out and does something crazy, that that gun shop owner should be held responsible? i don't. >> senator sanders did vote five times again the brady bill. since it was passed, more than 2 million prohibited purchases have been prevented. he also did vote, as he said, for this immunity provision. i voted against it. i was in the senate at the same time. it wasn't that complicated to me. >> david, what did you think about that moment? >> so i thought two things. i didn't think it was a great moment for senator sanders. i think in some way, his candidacy is predicated on taking on the big special interests. why not the gun lobby? i think it undermined the

rationale for his whole candidacy. early in the debate, secretary clinton got in there in an assertive way, took him on. the dynamic i could feel shifting, she was in command. >> she was in command but is there a question about direction? why should you be able to sue gun manufacturers? a way you don't sue anybody else? >> there were a few points of differentiation between hillary clinton, bernie sanders, martin o'malley, those votes on guns or one of them where they are on, you know, the iraq war vote, another one. it was clear that this had to be sort of the passion issues of the night. how are these candidates going to create differentiation and hillary clinton went on the offense because she knew that in these next segments they were going to come back at her on the iraq vote. come back at her on being late on keystone or trade. in some respects i think it was a little bit less about the actual piece.

democrats want strict gun control. so you know, you're not hurting yourself by talking about as strict gun control as you can. >> it's one place she can get left of bernie sanders. >> that's right. >> that is an interesting moment. >> thanks so much for all of the insight. great to talk to all of you. more on the debate ahead. coming up in the next hour, we'll be speaking with democratic candidate and former merrill governor martin o'malley. how did he think last night went? there's other news to follow. let's get back to michaela in new york. good to have you out there with us. we'll get back to you in a moment. violent clashing in bethlehem security israeli security forces and palestinian protesters. this follows days of unrest in the region, including a rash of stabbings in jerusalem and central israel tuesday. overnight, israel announcing the deployment of some 300 soldiers to reinforce police patrols, amid this unrest, secretary of state john kerry announced a trip to the middle east to try and help calm the situation.

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leading us into iraq under false pretens and telling us, as a people, that there were weapons of mass destruction there was one of the worst blunders in modern american history. >> all right. that was one of the compelling moments from last night, the first time the democratic candidates went head to head in the cnn debate. it was an introduction to some of the candidates, including former maryland governor martin o'malley. what's his take on how last night went? let's ask him, democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley johns us now. welcome to "new day." >> thanks a lot. good being with you both. >> how did it feel up there last night? >> it felt great to finally have debates for the first time, people viewing from across the country saw there were more than two candidates run for president in the democratic party. i thought it was a great debate. i thought of tone of it was

especially striking compared to the republican debates we've been seeing we had a lot of moments where we disagreed on issues but at the end of the day, i thought it was a positive vision for where our country could be headed. >> today going forward, we really love having the candidates come on to make the case on things that matter. this was your introduction to some. you know, but many of us know you. you had a lot of work you got done in maryland. you wanted to make a point last night. you made it once. you said if the democrating party goes back to the big names of the past we will not be able to lead going into the future. what does that mean to you and why do you represent the future? >> well, that's a genuine concern. i've traveled all around the country and the two phrases i hear people say again and again and again are the phrases we need new leadership and we need to get things done again. our party in particular has a kind of gravitational pull to the future. so i'm genuinely concerned as a party that we can't -- we can't speak to what america needs

right now by resoring to simply old formulas or thinkings from the past. so in my candidacy, chris, i'm offering the ideas, ideas to move us to 100% clean, electric grid by 2050. ideas like making national service a universal option so we can cut youth unemployment in half. ideas that re-invest in america's cities and the skills of our people so we can have a robust recovery instead of a recovery where only the top 2% or 3% are doing better. >> one of the big issues that came up last night are gun carolina. there are points of distinction between the democrats. you drew a distinction between yourself and bernie sanders and what you've done and your record. let's watch that moment. >> senator -- >> it is not about rural -- t. is exactly about rural. >> have you ever been to the eastern shore, western maryland? we were able to pass this and still respect the hunting traditions of people who lived in our rural areas. we did it by leading with principle. not by pandering to the nra

and -- >> if somebody had a voting record -- i don't think i'm pandering. you have not been in the united states congress. >> maybe that's a healthy thing. >> you ought to check it out. >> his point, was that you may have done things in your state of merrill but that's not like what happens when you get to congress. and the nra fights you, the republican congress fights you. how can you be so sure that you'll be able to do something with gun control when everyone else has failed? >> none of this is easy. as i said to senator sanders, maybe it's healthy that i haven't been in congress. sometimes when you've been there as long as senator sanders has, i have a great deal of respect for him. i think some of the things he says about big money taking over our politics and the other points he makes about wall street are very needed. but on this issue we have a deep disagreement. we didn't get it done in maryland simply by pressing a button or wishing it so. i had to overcome, often times, big opposition in my own party. sometimes from people in leadership. >> what did you do in maryland that you would transfer in the

united states? what's the one thing that would change gun control. >> i know what we did was we kept bringing people back to the table, to the principle, that we need to save lives. we need to acknowledge that we put more of our sons and daughters in coffins from gun violence than any other city in america. >> what's in maryland now that the federal government needs? >> we have a comprehensive gun safety legislation that has universal background checks. >> any kind of sale. >> yes. licensing, fingerprints. we also have banned combat assault weapons. i believe what our federal government also needs to do is use our buying power as a federal government. we are the largest purchaser of guns, period, in the united states as our federal government. we should insist anyone we purchase guns from, that our government does, have the highest and best safety standards, the microstamping of the bullet, serial numbers that cannot be efaced and erased. these are technologies that are available out there but they're

not technologies that we force gun manufacturers to do. i also think we need to take the blinders and handcuffs off of the federal law enforcement agencies and state police to make trafficking in guns a federal crime. it isn't today. >> right. >> we also put blinders or inblood fo-- blindfolds on the f and make it hard to trace illegal sale and trafficking of beguns. in new york, if you look at the top ten list of states guns come from, they're the states with the most lax rules when it comes to purchases and lonnie and sandy phillips were there in the audience. they called us and said we want to be there. our daughter was killed in aurora. we want to transform this loss of ours into a greater awareness. we need to do something about this as a people. >> that was a poignant people. >> very good people. >> didn't that shooter pass a background check? >> they didn't even ask.

4,000 rounds of ammunition. the online gun store sold this man 4,000 rounds of ammunition, six of which made their way through the phillips daughter's body and killed her and without even asking. >> you would like to see gun shop owners ask more questions of everyone who comes in to buy ammo and guns. >> i think it's ridiculous. look at the things we've done. one guy has a failed shoe bomb attempt and we all have to line up at the airports and take off our shoes. and look at the people that are being murdered in our country by guns, again and again and again. what's our response to that? we should be asking questions and not just making it so easy tore people to buy combat assault weapons. >> hillary clinton also has a robust plan on guns, 2008 you backed her. i thought it was interesting to watch your body language. you knew hillary was going to say you back me in 2008. you were not surprised for that. >> we were prepared for that.

>> you leaned that way also. you said things changed since 2008. you didn't get to follow up on that last night. what changed? >> i like hillary clinton. i was proud to have supported her eight years ago. i have a great amount of respect for her. i did not get into this race to attack hillary clinton. i know that sometimes on the jumbo here you want to turn it into a cage fight. but i'm genuinely concerned about our country's future and the biggest change that's happened in the eight years is this. the recession, the crash that was precipitated by recklessness on wall street and i believe what the people of our country expect is a president who's independent enough to actually follow through on the promises that were made eight years ago to reign in that recklessness, to separate the traditional commercial banking functions from the huge gambling type of bets that all of us were put on

the hook for and we had to bail out when we allowed the banks to become in a very short period of time, six of them, too big to fail, too big to jail and too big to manage, still so big they can wreck our economy. that's what i truly believe the people of our country are looking for. they want a president who's independent of those old relationships in the past. i wish i had a dime for every person i've talked to within the democratic party who wants to tell me, do you know how far back i go with the clintons? i go back pretty far with the clintons, too. it's not about the clintons. it's not about the o'malleys. it's about our country. that's why i'm running. >> we had a voter panel on last hour. one of them is one of your supporters. i asked a question he would like me to ask you this morning. would you be willing to be hillary clinton's running mate? that was his question. >> he's my supporter. >> yes. >> he happens to think you two are a great team. what do you think about that team or partnership? >> no one runs for vice president. i'm not running for vice

president. i'm running for president of the united states. i believe if you look at the body of work that i have been able to produce over 15 years of executive experience, not only passing comprehensive gun safety legislation, marriage equality and the dream act, passing a living wage, i have done other things candidates only talk about doing. that's why i'm running. i'm not running for any other reason except to win this thing. we have had 30 great staff on the ground in iowa. a dozen in new hampshire. and last night was just the opening kickoff. so i'm very, very grateful to cnn for what they've done in hosting this. hopefully we have more debates rather than fewer. >> governor o'malley, great to talk to you. >> you have to talk to your party about that. >> we'll be having open invitations to you guys going forward to come in and talk about specific issues, make the case to the american people. i look forward to you accepting

the invitation. >> i'd love to. >> thank you. the democratic candidates, you just saw former governor o'malley made a big introduction for you last night. they say a big thrust is the middle class. we're beginning to break down two of the proposals to see what would actually work. it's going to be the action versus just the talk. it is going to be the action versus just the talk.

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time for cnn money now. chief business correspondent christine roman is here. a look at the conversation centering around how to make life better for middle class. >> middle class uttered a dozen times last listen. bernie sanders getting to the heart of the issue. listen. >> 57% f all new income is going to the top 1%. >> here is exactly what that looxz like. the middle class certainly doesn't feel like it is reaping the spoils and the numbers bear it out here. family income back to 1995 levels as corporate profits have

soared. worker wages going nowhere for more than 20 years. so what are the democrats going to do? the starting point for the democratic candidate, most of them on the stage last night raised the minimum wage. bernie sanders calling for reorder of the american economy. and use that money to pay for free four year education. college and fees up 1200% since 98. the other democrats on the field including hillary clinton also have better plans for going college. free or not, still college tuition a big part of the platform for hillary clinton too. >> those are topics that are going really resonate with american voters. back to vegas. chris and ali. >> breakfast. >> what? >> what was the gamble? the gamble is do i pretend i'm

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i'm not taking a backseat o anybody. >> climate change is reel. >> i have been as transparent as i know to be. >> enough of the e-mails. let's talk about the real issues. >> i think we need somebody that has the best and ethical standards as your next president. >> senator clinton do you want to respond in? >> no. >> i am the only candidate running for president who is not a billionaire -- you're wasting time. >> i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. >> i believe in a society where all people do well, not just a handful of billionaires.

>> diplomas is not about getting to the perfect solution. it is about how you balance the risk. >> this is "new day," with chris cuomo, allsyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> what a night. it is still not over here in vegas. good morning to you. it is wednesday october 14th, 8:00 in the east, 5:00 in las vegas. michaela, allsyn and i here. last night the debate, style over substance? no. not for them. they went after policy and positions much more than way went after each other. it was the introduction, the big shot, hillary clinton and bernie sanders sitting next to each other. how would they behave? a lot of shockers last night to be sure. >> such a fascinating conversation. the biggest applause line was unexpected and it was when bernie sanders seemed to support

hillary clinton to there were all sorts of surprises in store. who jump started the campaign best? who has the momentum going forward and who's debate performance might spell an end? let's bring in john burman with the recap. >> there were five candidates on stage and this morning there were probably five campaigns declaring victory. the clear winner may be the voter, who got to see two hours with just five candidates, talking about a issues, learning a lot about these candidates. and now the campaign really is different. it may have been the first democratic debate, but it was clear it was not hillary clinton's first rodeo. running down a debate checklist with surgical precision. >> i would not ask anyone to vote on my based on my last name. >> her chambname?

check. appeal to the grass roroots of party? check. check, check, check. >> i think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the presidents we've had. >> even joking about an apparent trip to the bathroom during commercial. >> you know it does take me a little longer. that's all i can say. >> addressing questions surrounding the use of her private e-mail, she had a surprising assist from her leading opponent, vermont senator bernie sanders. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too. me too. >> even earning a smile and a handshake. clinton didn't exactly return the favor. in one of the sharpest exchanges of the night when asked about sanders record of voting against certain gun control measures. >> is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> not at all. i think we have to look at the

fact that we lose ninety people a day from gun violence. >> what i can tell secretary clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to co-what i would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns. >> sanders, the self proclaimed democratic socialist, touted his battle against income inequality. >> you don't consider yourself a capitalist though? >> do i consider myself a part of the casino capitalist by which so few have so much and so many have so few, no i don't. >> martin o'malley looking for a breakout moment, hit hard on foreign policy. >> leading us into the iraq, under false pretenses and telling us as a people that there were weapons of mass destruction there was one of the worst blunders in modern american history.

>> as for former virginia senator jim webb polling in the single digits and barely campaigns, he tried to be noticed. >> i've been trying to get in this conversation for ten minutes. i've been waiting ten minutes. >> you went over your -- >> well a lot of people you've wlet other their time. >> are you saying you didn't know what you were voting for? >> perhaps the most telling moment may be aspirational was when hillary clinton was asked to list her enemies. >> in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies t drug companies. the iranians. probably the republicans. >> now just in case you were wondering what donald trump thought, this morning he he said he thought bernie sanders made a big mistake by giving hillary

clinton a pass on the e-mails and benghazi. that's donald trump's take this morning. >> j.b. thank you very much. after the debate, as bernie sanders was doing what happens -- you got to remember how tired they are after this. so emotionally draining. he went he found his wife and sons. and then he had to deal with the unfortunate part of the being a candidate which is deal with the media. i got to talk about what this process is being like for her and why did he give what's being called "the gift" to hillary clinton. here is what he says. >> the line of the night probably came from you in what people are calling a gift to hillary clinton, "enough with your damn e-mail." what motivated that. >> well what motivated it, is i think the american people want substantive discussions on

substantive issues. the middle class is disappearing. we have 27 million in poverty. a campaign finance system which is corrupt. the rich are getting richer. everybody else is getting poorer. those are the issues that the american people want discussed. there is a process in place for the e-mail situation that hillary clinton is dealing with. let it play itself out. but as a nation let us start focusing on why it is that so new have so much and so many have so little. >> others would have chosen to play to advantage. you did not because? >> because i think it was the right thing to do. i think the american people want substantive debate on the real issues that are affecting their families. >> duo you think you overcame questions that people have with the how and what when you describe yourself politicallily democrat, socialist. >> absolutely. i hope i did. and people are frustrated with a

campaign finance system that allows billionaires to buy elections. >> what does it mean that you can create what you're asking for. >> there is a level of energy and enthusiasm in our campaign we are not seeing elsewhere. people are ready for that the political revolution. they are ready to transform america and that is what our  campaign is about. >> the biggest thing left on the table you still want to address with the american people. >> income and wealth inequality. we should not be living in a country where the top 1/10 of one percent has as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. that is just not right. >> feel the burn. bernie sanders campaign manager is here. when he said "enough with the damn e-mail." it played great in the room. it is certainly authentic to what bernie wants to be talking about. but did you know that he was going to give that gift to her?

and did you think that it made sense to do it politically. >> when we heard that line, the people who were watching it with us we went crazy. because we had never heard that line before. it was fantastic. >> that's right. so you hadn't planned that. that wasn't a planned line. >> that was unscripted, unplanned. >> so -- >> of course. well he knew he was not going to attack her on the e-mails. and we thought we would just let the question play out. and then suddenly bernie injects himself into the conversation. i thought it was fantastic. >> do you think he should give her a pass. >> it is not giving her a pass. it is about what he says. which is let's talk about the real issues. wealth and income inequality. let's talk about the cost of college skpegs the disappearing middle class. what is that the campaign is about and why people by the millions are flocking to him because he's not doing what's politically advantageous. >> on the flipsides there was what could have been an awkward

moment. when anderson cooper asked hillary clinton are you a progressive or are you a moderate. and she said i am a progressive who likes to get things done. were you like ouch. >> she has been both in the last month or so. she made that moderate comment in an event and she had to sort of back out of it. >> are you suggesting that the sbernds a progressive who can't get things done. >> i don't know if it's so much as she had described herself as the moderate just a few weeks ook. >> let's get to the deal on guns. the brady bill, he didn't vote for it. that's a mark. what he wants for corporations that are gun manufacturers, what he wants. explain those positions to us. >> on the brady bill, two components. one was background checks which he supported. the other was a waiting period. and he told the people in vermont he was not going to support a waiting period.

>> why not? >> would he now by the way. >> i don't think you hear a lot of discussion about waiting periods. you hear a lot of discussion about background checks which he voted for and supported. 1991 he voted for background checks. consiste consistently. >> what is the problem with the waiting period? there was recently a mass shooting. it might have been the one in roanoke where the waiting period elapsed and the gunman got the gun. >> that is a different issue. the waiting period was you would go in and buy a gun and they would say come back in ten days and we'll give you a gun. irrespective of whether or not they were doing a background. >> the consensus in congress is lets a background check. new there is a growing consensus of let's look at the mental health records to make sure we don't get people who are suicidal or homicidal. and that is the best way to deal with it so we keep the guns out

of the hands of the people who shouldn't have them. >> the idea of hillary getting to the left of bernie on something is a surprise so some people. this issue she is left of him. >> what does she support that he doesn't support? >> brady bill. >> well the brady bill. >> but right now. >> background checks, they are in the same place. >> assault weapons ban, same place. >> corporate liability they are in different places but there is a federal law in place. and waiting period. she says you should have the waiting period. >> i don't think she said you should have a waiting period. >> well her campaign she would be in favor. >> we are all in favor of making sure that the government has enough time to do the background check they need to do. if the three days is not long enough maybe it should be made longer. >> she still made hay with this last night. let my play you the moment she drew that distinction. >> sure. >> secretary clinton, is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> no. not at all. i think we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence.

this has gone on too long and it is time the entire country stood up against the nra. >> basically she's suggesting he has not stood up against the mra. >> if that is the case someone hasn't told them. we have a d minus rating with the nra. >> they are all saying they get fs. he gets the d minus. is there a meaningful distinction between hillary clinton and the senator in your mind on guns? >> on substance, no. there's been a difference in tone and a difference in the narrative that the media has played out. but this terms of real substance on guns i don't think there is much distance between them. >> let's talk about their difference on wall street. let me play you a moment from last night. >> in my view, secretary clinton, you do not -- congress does not regulate wall street. wall street regulates congress.

and we have got to break off going to them and saying please do the right thing is kind of naive. >> that was in response to her saying she had gone wall street and talked to them about behaving better. >> well it hasn't really worked. right? >> so what would he do better. >> break up the biggest banks. reimpose glass-steagall so we don't have regulated and unregulated activities in the same bank. and we immedianeed to make sure don't recreate the situation that allowed our economy to be almost destroyed. >> is he doing something that will make it impossible to make it successful for him by alienating the banks and consumer credits and transactions. >> let's understand the difference between consumer banks and small banks and medium sized banks and the giant mega sized banks you are seeing on

wall street. let's hope what you are saying is not right. hopefully the american people still control the election in this country. >> why doesn't he say i am pro capitalism. i don't like the way it's operating in our country right now. you know the s word, socialism is a real albatross. anderson gave him a chance. he was a hammer that was his job. but he said you're pro capitalism. he. >> he's always ban the democratic socialist. he explained what that was, a sort of european style democrat. and the only place we hear about the s word is interest from the media. general election match ups between hillary clinton and the republicans and the bernie sanders and the republicans, bernie sanders does better against the republicans in every instance that hillary clinton does. so the socialism really isn't scaring people out in the world.

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welcome back to "new day." hillary clinton and bernie sanders were the debates main draw last night. but how did all of the candidates do. who were the winners? the losers? the high and low points. let's bring in the panel. jennifer granholm. anna navarro our cnn political commentator and jeb bush supporter. and dan pfeifer. we also have as a bonus cnn's political commentator s.e. cup. great to have all of you this morning. anna, what did you see in this debate last night. >> i have debate envy. because i saw a debate where poking fun at rosie o'donnell does not become a huge distraction. waging war and attack against the others on the stage does not

become a distraction. it was lively, engage, it was interesting. it was even fun. i think they did a great job. and i think the dnc is crazy not to have more debates. i'm actually at this point glad that they have decided not to have more debates because i don't want them to be getting more practice. i also think hillary clinton and bernie sanders came in as the main draw and they left as the main draw. i was expecting to see martin o'malley take off his shirt literally or figuratively and flex his muscles. he did neither. and the other two i don't even understand. i can't even justify their presence. >> that about sums it up. coming after the break. >> what she said. >> let's look at some other things. when bernie gave the gift last night of saying enough with the

damn e-mails. a great line. i couldn't wait to talk about him. but anderson was right. in this room it plays great. not outside. there is an fbi investigation going on. was it right for bernie to give her a pass? his campaign manager says he didn't give her a pass. he says he didn't. i'm saying he gave hear pass. >> he gave her a pass. i think it was clear. and for the democrats we want them to talk about the issues which is why the debate was so great last night. >> but is it an issue? >> it will be an issue if something happens but it is not an issue right now. what the issue is is her being able to get out there and talk about issues. and that was the gift of last night, really, that bernie gave her was the ability to actually focus on issues. it was the best two hours -- >> it is maybe not an issue in your head but. >> the issue in kevin mccarthy's

and the republican party's head and in the committee's head and part of the deliberate e clinto syndrome that's been happening. it is an issue for them. and they will continue to push that. i get that. but the point is last night -- and i can say this. of course i'm the clinton supporter and i was with a bunch of people who were watching it. we were -- we were so happy. she was so presidential. she was calm. she was funny. she was in command. she walked -- schooled the boys on how to debate. she was awesome and we felt like this was the best two hours of the campaign so far. >> i think a lot of voters are syndrome free and they think it is not just the e-mails. it is about her character, her integrity and her trustworthiness and her judgment. and that will play out. and this is not the forum for any of the candidates to go after hillary clinton on the

e-mails. that said it was lovely of bernie to give her this pass. but if he wants to stick around in this campaign he is going to have to get a little ruthless when it comes to hillary clinton. and let me tell you, hillary clinton will return the favor. mer associates have already been out on the campaign trail making some pretty nasty allegations about bernie sanders, that he doesn't care about the hispanic community, for example all on behalf of clinton. so the bernie sanders has got to. i know he wants a high-minded issues campaign and that's adorable. but it is not sustainable if he wants to crack -- >> -- so cynical, i have to tell you. >> remember 2008, hillary clinton is a ruthless -- >> i can tell you barack obama would have had the exact same response that bernie sanders did on the e-mail. his brain is not a typical --

>> he just asked about it on 60 minutes and he didn't have that response. >> i thought bernie sanders had good night in a lot of ways. if he attacked clint on the e-mails i think it would have been a strategic mistake. >> i agree. >> hillary clinton violated obama administration recessiguls when she did this. i think president obama comes at at this point from a different angle. if he comes after clinton it is not going to be on the e-mail. it is going to be on the left flank, the places where she has vulnerabilities. >> i think anna is finding the middle ground. you have i to deal with an opponent. you are not going to get satisfaction out of bernie sanders. he san old school politician. he believes his ideas should win because they are the best. your party is playing a different game right now. and that is why the debates were so different last night.

and i think that is a non partisan point. this was different i think this big part because you had a smaller field and the frankly because of the anderson cooper. anderson cooper kept them on task and made them answer questions and made them have less freedom to think about you. because they were having to defend their own positions. >> as congenial as they were to each other i thought they were -- where republicans get criticized to run too far right and course correcting. i thought they went. >> way too left. >> way too over. at the end of the debate they were all naming their enemies they were proud of. which include -- >> hillary said that. was that a mistake? >> i think in terms of going right or left, the issues they talked about, income inequality and the immigration are majority issues in this country. and one of the reasons the debate was the way it was is that the democrats are in a much -- we are not having the

staple identi same identity crisis as the republicans are. there were differences and they played out but you don't end up in situations with a donald trump one side or lindsay graham on one size or jeb bush. and that led do a more substantive debate. >> the issues on for example on planned parenthood or the nra. those are popular issues. in fact i think her best moment of the night was when she said, all right, republicans keep talking about big government. they won't fund paid leave. they won't fund day care. but they will be big enough government to decide a woman's right to choose. that to me was great. >> i'll tell you -- >> last word. >> one of her weakest moments of the night. when she got asked about the legalization of marijuana. which is a very important issue to young people. and she said well i'm still not ready to take a position. i know it took her a year plus to get a position on keystone.

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relevant is the vice president joe biden. what did that moment, what he saw on stage mean to his decision? let's bring in mr. david ax axlerod. >> a lot to discuss but let's do it. during the debate i was hearing from foj -- friends of joe --. and they were saying there is plenty of room for joe biden. this doesn't change it are you surprised to hear that. >> i'm not surprised to hear it. i'm not sure i believe it. his rationale to be an alternative to hillary. then he has to have a watched that last night and said, you know, she's a stronger runner today than she was yesterday. but there is no doubt, look, if you look at the polling, she and bernie sanders basically are

taking about three quarters of the vote right now. i don't think anything happened last night to change that. i think both of them had good nights. and if you are making a political decision. now joe biden may think he has things to offer the country. and i'm a huge, huge admirer of his. he may feel like it doesn't matter. but if you are just making a the pure political calculation, you have to factor in what happened last night. >> therein lies the rub. if the rub is about him and what he wants to do and what his son's wishes for him were and what his life's goal is, then it doesn't change the calculus. if it's about her and if she's a vulnerable candidate, lars night does -- >> i think there are going to be fewer people this morning waiting to ride in and save the party than yesterday morning. because she gave a very self assured powerful performance last night. now that could change. she's got another big test this month at the hearings. i suspect she's going to do very

well there. and as she pointed out the committee is going to be a little defanged perhaps by all of the bad publicity they have gotten. >> help me make sense of something. you had sanders, clinton, o'malley. someone said to me, hillary clinton last night was flanked by better democrats, but not by a better candidate to become president of the united states. does that make sense? >> i think bernie sanders has run a spectacular campaign. nobody would have predicted he would be where he is. i still keep wondering whether he's running to president of the united states or running to marb marshal a movement to try to move the party in a direction. >> why? after last night. >> because -- he's clearly running for president of the united states. i'm not suggesting otherwise. but in his own mind what his objectives are, i just don't know if bernie sanders wakes up every morning, looks in the

mirror and see it is president of the united states. and so i'm not sure a lot of other folks do. he's a powerful guy in the sense that he believes deeply in what he believes. he's speaking some, i think, very resonant themes that he's embraced all of his life. but, you know, he is a 74-year-old democratic socialist from vermont with a brooklyn accent, no offense to new york. i know you are a queens guy. >> that's right. brookl brooklyn. >> what do you think changed last night? after -- what -- how have the sands shifted if in any way last night for the lower tier candidates or the hillary -- >> well i think the guys on the stage, they came in unknowns and i they left people wondering where they were there. >> o'malley too. >> i think o'malley had a good night. i think he had to have a spectacular night. because after all he falls in the average of polls in that

asterisk category. so if you are in an asset risk, i think he -- i'm not sure he left the land of statistically insignificant last night with his performance. did well, but i don't think he did distinguished himself in such a way that he's going to catapult into the mix here. >> who on that stage last night has in your opinion what barack obama had when he was running eight years ago? do do you see on that stage someone who can capture and inspire the way he did? >> i think that is an unfair measure. and i'm a little biassed in this regard. >> that is why i asked you. >> barack obama is a unique talent. bill clinton was a unique talent. i think everybody has unique strengths. i think hillary clinton was very strong last night. i think she was very fluid, fluid. which is not always the case with her. sometimes she seems very rote.

he w she was e clearly prepared. >> you got to make people believe, especially democrats. >> i know. i said going into the debate that was the challenge. i said that continues to be the challenge. but she did the first thing to persuade people to believe is to make them believe that you believe. and think she crossed that fird hurdle last night. she has to continue doing that. >> david, great to quget your it as always. >> sorry to pull you away from the dice. >> that's all right. they're holding my seat for me. >> back to michaela in new york city. >> all right. the first democratic debate going viral. thousands of posts f. millions of hits online. what moments really popped though? we'll break it down for you, next.

well, what happened in vegas was huge on social media. bernie sanders and hillary clinton duking it out on stage and also online. 4.2 million people in the u.s. engaging online about the debate.

that is more than ten million times on facebook during the broadcast. includes, likes, posts, shares. the question is who had the biggest buzz? this was a debate hosted by cnn and facebook. so we'll look at the facebook debate. the top candidates discussed during the debate. perhaps no surprise the two front runners came out on top, 41% and 35% respectively. and then the top issues discussed on facebook. this is really fascinating. the top five issues there. what comes at the bottom of this top five is guns. which is perhaps surprising given the fact we've seen gun violence dominating the head lines recently. top concerns, racial issues comes in at number one on facebook. moving on the big moment on facebook. i could have predicted this one. the damn e-mails comment from bernie sanders, the senator from vermont. if you didn't get a chance to hear it?

>> the secretary is right. and that is, that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too, me too. >> what's interesting. many thought that he might have taken advantage of the fact that this was a big opening. but instead he essentially kind of defended her. this moment really, really rang true to a lot of people online. >> all right. so speaking times. always like to see how much time each of the candidates get and manage to find for themselves. interestingly, 30 minutes 26 seconds for hillary clinton coming out on top. the thing i found most remarkably, jim webb used his limited amount of time to complain to anderson cooper about how much time he wasn't getting. and words we see a lot of, obviously the names of the candidates.

what's interesting absent are the contenders republican. and last but not least they took a poll during the commercial breaks of the debate of the people facebooking along with the debate. 53,000 votes tallied. we asked who do you think won? interesting to see. facebook voters, 75% of them said that bernie sanders dominated and won that debate. interesting. maybe it speaks about the facebook generation and also bernie sanders following. this is unscientific. again it was just interesting to get this data from facebook. we thought we should share it with you guys. vegas, what you got for me? >> very interesting michaela. thank you for doing the math so we don't have to. >> happy to do it. >> great. thanks. meanwhile we've heard interest the candidates, the pundits, from the internet as michael pla just showed. but what do the voters think? who do they think won last night?

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we are back in las vegas. and we want to bring in our voter panel to hear what issues mattered most to them. last night. and if they were addressed. so with us is our registered democrats. erika washington and louie overstreet. brandon. i want to start with you. an issue near and dear to you is

the economy. you are a the small business owner here in vegas, you own a restaurant. and last night the candidates talked about their differences on the minimum wage. which i know you watched with great interest. let's listen to this moment. >> if we want to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour, workers are going to have to come together and look the republicans in the eye and say we know what's going on. you vote against us, you are out of your job. >> what did you think about how they addressed the economy and minimum wage last night? >> it's got good idea about, you know, working with the economy. they just need to make it easier for small businesses. >> minimum wage you feel doesn't do that. >> i don't think so. not -- because you raise the minimum wage, everything else is going to go up. as the small business owner just starting out six months it is really hard right now. so just raising the minimum wage? no. i got to have some other programs to help the small businesses.

the big businesses, sure they can deal with it. but not the small businesses. >> so when we talk about helping the little guy. everybody up on that stage last night said they want to help the middle class, income inequality. how much do you feel you got some meat on the bones about that? they were saying the right thing. but do you think that you could say -- i know you liked hillary. i know you liked what o'malley said and bernie. do you think you could say what any of them would actually do and whether you believe they can get it done. >> no they can't get it done because of the division that currently exists -- currently exists in our society, along racial, economic and religious lines. it will be very difficult. when i was growing up in the late sixties and early seventies in terms of political people, republicans were moderate yet conservative. they were on board. as a percentage of their population republicans vote ed

more for the civil rights than democrats. i would like to get back to a two party system where we have economic concerns on both sides of the aisle where we can make america work for all. >> i really wanted to address income inequality between men and women across the united states. >> did they do that? >> i think they brought it up. but we don't have any real solutions how to fix that. and i think really think it is important. it is a fight we've been having many decades. and i have three daughters myself and i don't want them to keep having the same issue. we should by now have been able to close the gap on income inequality. and it is so vast between just women and men. but when then you start talking about women of color, hispanics and the black women, the gap is so large and it's frightening that it's taken so long to even get to this point. >> how big a deal is it to you that hillary clinton is a woman?

>> when she ran -- when it was her and barack obama last time it was a really big deal. this time not so much to me. and i actually made a note last night watching the debate that she brought up the enact she was a woman on more than one occasion. and i felt that she didn't need to do that. we know she's a woman and should be proud that she's a woman and running but it is not the end all be all. >> immigration is one issue here in nevada. last night candidates talked about it not so much drawing distinction between themselves as with the republicans. >> there is such a difference between everything you are hearing here on this stage and what we hear from the republicans, who have demonized hard-working immigrants, who have insulted them. >> brandon, as an independent, did you feel that they answered enough questions about how they would solve the immigration

issue? >> no. i i this is a much larger issue than they went into. you know, just deporting people and kicking them out is not the direction we need to go. >> so the trump solution is not a solution to you. >> no. no. they are here. let's deal with them. let's control people coming into the country. let's give them a path to citizenship. >> louie? >> it was unrealistic in terms of what trump is proposing. i'll a retired engineer so i know a little something about math. two and a half times 22 u you are talk about 25 or 27 years to get rid of the backlog. so it is unrealistic to put people out of country. totally. >> let me ask you something real quick. small business, it is the engine of our economy. we talk about the big ones all the time. but most jobs are made by small business. what do you think the politicians aren't talking about that is the truth for you and

your life as the small business owner? >> just regulations. more help. getting small business started. but, you know, more regulations on small businesses is really hard. you know, i have six employees right now. and before i had a commercial laundry in louisiana. and, you know, i had 12 employees. so, you know, there's -- the income, you know, the tax rates definitely there need to be more incentive for small businesses to invest. you know? >> what is the best thing you think politicians could do that would help people get over the hump? >> i think the best thing they can do is one, ask them what they need. and then also raising the wage. and i understand with small businesses that that is a little bit tough. but, you know -- and it doesn't have to jump from, you know, 7 dollars an hour to 15 dollars an

hour overnight. but it should be tied to the economy. obviously the cost of living goes up regularly. so we need to raise the wage at the same time. >> thanks so much. great to get your insights. cnn's comprehensive debate coverage does continue on newsroom with carol costello right after this short break. thanks so much for watching us this morning. ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile.

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changes you'll notice. wherever you are in the world. sheraton. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. american voters who tuned in to see a fight instead saw a debate. and last night's showdown the democrat candidates played nice. at least compared to the bare knuckle brawls of the their republican counterpart. hillary clinton stayed on message. bernie sanders found a wider audience and the three underdogs elbowed into the spotlight, if only for a moment. john burman live in las vegas on the morning after. >> a fascinating debate carol. you saw the experience of hillary clinton. the passion of bernie sanders. and you saw the granite of lincoln chafee. this