>> like the ones that sing and tempt you? >> yes. there's still some twist to it. i didn't take it completely literally, but i based it on tat. >> thanks for telling your story and good luck. >> thanks. >> amanda, for those of you looking to follow in tonight god and politics. >> if i'm willing to give up some of the tax breaks that i enjoy, it also coincides with jesus's teaching, to whom much is given, much is required. >> what does he think of the trump endorsement? and one of the nation's top cops, protecting new york, l.a. and boston. phil bratton on u.s. home security. plus political words of wisdom from an unlikely source.

the man who brought you this? >> tv guide gave us a word four years ago. could do 50 shows in the history of television. but we're the worth show, it's an absurd show. >> he's also a fairly good junky and a former mayor. good evening. tonight the holy trinity of modern america, god, politics and daytime television. first the heart of the matter, president obama talking faith and politics. >> many my moments of prayer, i'm reminded that faith and values play an enormous role in motivating us to solve some of our most urgent problems and keeping us going when we suffer setbacks and opening our minds and our hearts to the needs of others.

we can't leave our values at the door. if we leave our values at the door, we abandon much of the moral glue that has held our nation together for centuries. >> unusual religious candor there from the president. i want to ask rick santorum about it after news of a potential nuclear threat from iran. welcome senator. >> it's good to be back, piers, thank you. >> i want to ask you about your daughter bella, i know you broke away from the campaign after a scare with her, how is she doing? >> she came home from the hospital this morning and she's doing just terrific and i want to thank you and everybody out there for all their prayers, they truly made a difference and we feel very, very blessed to have her back in good health and we're -- i'm excited to get home to see her here in about --

unfortunately it won't be for another week, but i'm looking forward to getting home. >> a great pleasure meeting you and many of your extended family and i know how close you all are and how rough that must have been. let's move on to what i thought was the biggest news story of the stay, which is this extraordinary revelation from the defense secretary leon panetta, believing that israel could strike iran this spring. when you heard got this, what was your reaction? >> my reaction is, why are we letting israel alone to do something which is in our national security issue also? >> we heard from general clapper yesterday about the extensive planning that's taking place by iran. we have already seen one of the plans uncovered, at least the president says so, for trying to attack the saudi ambassador. the ieds, the improvised explosive devices that have been killed and maiming most of our men and women in uniform in iraq

and afghanistan. manufactured in iran and as a matter of fact they learned and trained and funded by iran. this is how iran flexes its muscle. and for them to have a nuclear weapon, look at what they're doing now. i'm not even going to mention they're holding hostages on trumped up charjs. americans they're holding hostage right now. this will be a very dangerous one proxz mat to the united states, not just our allies. >> so if you were the president in the time sman we're looking at, the next three or four months, and you have the intelligence that suggested that iran was at the point of enriching uranium that they needed to get to a nuclear capacity here. and you heard that the americans were going to go in for strikes. >> the first ning i would be doing the giving a speech

similar to reagan's evil empire speech. >> this is the time to rally not only the world, but the people of iran, against this radical thee thee yough chris si. we need to rally their own people just as ronald reagan did with the folks in the soviet union. we have an absolute, hardcore dedicated people in iran who actually like the united states, who actually oppose their regime and we have done nothing to encourage them. in fact we discouraged them three years ago during the green revolution, a year later we encouraged egypt and libya and others to do what is even more necessary in iran than it was in those countries. >> let's turn to the other big story of the day, which is president obama really playing the god card quite heavily.

straying, some might say into your territory there. >> it was at a national prayer breakfast, but if you're going to come all religious, that's a good place to come all religious. but that was a little bit out of context to suggest somehow that the bible requires the government to take money from those who have succeeded is certainly not something that i think most people read as a requirement of the bible. the bottom line is here that the president is trying to wrap -- trying to find some rationale for his economic policy because it certainly isn't improving the economy, so maybe he's trying to find some religious rationale for doing what he's doing. >> let's take a little listen to what he did say today, because it was quite fascinating. >> i have fallen on my knees with great regularity since that moment, asking god for guidance,

not just in my personal life and my christian walk, but in the values of this nation and the values that hold us together and keep us strong. >> there's no reason to disbelieve what the president is saying in at all. it just seems a bit odd that he's ramping up this religious talk at a time that the eselect -- >> i think this is more in response to a couple of things he's done recently, one, as you know, piers, with the catholic church, where he has him posed on catholic institutions a requirement that they offer things that are specifically against catholic teaching. and the catholic bishops just this weekend issued a letter in 140 diocese to be read at every single mass that said that they are not going to stand for this affront on liberty that the

adprompblt -- the plan carried by every catholic owned hospital has to provide the morning half bill, something that is specifically against the teachings of the church and the obama administration says you must offer it or you will be penalized for doing so. this is something that he's crossed the line and this may be an attempt to show that he is a believer too. the other thing was a supreme court decision, it was a 9-0 supreme court decision where the court actually said that the catholic church had to hire women priests or they were going is to be dpis christmas naturing. maybe the president's trying to backtrack a little bit by using softer words, but his actions are very hostile to faith. >> he doesn't go to church much himself. are you cynical when you hear that, people say i'm on my knees every morning, but i don't go to church.

>> everybody practices their faith in a way that is comfortable for them. i need to go to church. i need to go to mass, i need to receive the holy communion. i this a very, very important part of me and it sustains me other people have other ways of expressing their religious believes. i think another thing that was real important in this administration is they have started to talk a little bit about freedom of religion. instead of talking about freedom of religion, it's freedom of worship. religion is something you practice in fact every day in your public and private life. and so i think there were some grave concerns about the actions of this administration and maybe the president is trying to temper that with this kind of rhetoric that we saw this morning. >> let's move on to mitt romney's -- over the poor yesterday, because whatever way

you try to spin it, it sounded like a very callous remark. let's play the clip and get your reaction. >> i'm in this race because i care about americans, i'm not concerned about the very poor, we have a safety net there, if it needs repair, i'll fix it. i'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. i'm concerned about the very heart of america, the 90% 95% of americans that are struggling. >> he said it was a mistake, but actually it seemed a very measured statement. he seemed to be saying that poor people aren't americans. >> i have read it two or three times and i have read his explanation after soledad interrupted him and he said no, i care about the -- this is occupy wall street kind of talk. i care about the 95%. the president cares about everybody and the ideaa somehow or good that the economy is

disproportionately affecting folks in the middle and not the very poor? what country does he live in? the very poor very always the ones that bear the brunt when the country is struggling. that's why i'm working on supply side economics for the working man. we need to provide an economic platform that provides opportunity for everyone, the very moore to rise in society. that's why when i was in the senate i worked on welfare reform and i worked on anti-poverty programs and to try to great energy zones for the private sector so the poor could work in those neighbor hoods. i tried to get private sector money into those poor neighborhood. and to suggest that you don't care about them as long as they have some safety net is something that i reject out right.

this is not the republican party i belong to. >> probably wasn't the best of timing, the person that raced to his rescue today was a man worth $3 billion, donald trump. how did you feel when you saw the trumpster giving his endorsement. >> i'm glad he gave it to him, not me. i know he did it for one reason. he does it for -- donald trump does everything for one reason that it benefits donald trump. i don't know what donald trump gets out of that. but i certainly don't anticipate any benefit to governor romney, the people of nevada, the people of this country are going to decide who's the best person to run the country at a critical time and i hope you'll see that we're that best person to take on barack obama and win this election. >> a quick reaction to obama, you're trading around 11%, so a work in progress. what are your expectations in nevada?

>> this is the place mitt romney got 51% of the vote four years ago and has been working here and spending money here and obviously we're here now, we're working, we're in northern nevada tonight, i was in southern nevada earlier in the day, i have been spending days out here, i'll be in missouri tomorrow, i'll be in colorado, minnesota. those are the next four states up. and i'll be working all those states. piers, we're in for the long haul, we're going to have good days, we're going to have bad days, but we're going to be in there plugging every day too let folks know that mitt romney and newt gingrich on not the choice. >> well, best of luck. finally one word answer, giants or patriots. >> neither.

i don't -- i can't root for either one of those teams, i'm a steeler fan and i'm ambivalent. >> i'm with you. i think this is one of your teams, if it's not one of your teams, you should keep well away from it. thank you for your time. >> you bet. coming up next, a man who's seen his share of over the top behavior. jerry springer is here live and unleashed.

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gewill be giving away passafree copiesef of the alcoholism & addiction cure. to get yours, go to ssagesmalibubook.com. you may be surprised to learn my next guest's words on politics. to cut through all this craziness, jerry springer show, for 20 years. he's also former mayor of the city of cincinnati. and jerry joins me. welcome back. >> it's great to be back. >> send your tweets to @piersmorgan. but you can't tweet jerry because he's not on twitter. on the back of what we have just been listening to, kevin gold

said, whatever happened in american politics to the separation of church and state. because when you hear the president suddenly getting incredibly religious very surprising. >> there was an explanation thater year they have the annual affairs breakfast. that is an event that just happens to be scheduled on this day. every president goss to the national prayer breakfast and everybody talks aboutary personal relationship with god, that is fine, no one says a president can't be religious. i have great respect for rick santorum, i don't believe in his politics, but he's obviously a man of great faith. the only thing i would have said in listening to this interview, instead of raising questions about obama, why not simply say, god bless him, this is his faith, he said some nice things

about his religion. why does everything have to be pretty cool. forget it, he believes in god. >> i like him personally, but i find that he's of all the candidates i have least in common with in terms of his views. yet i have a grudging respect and admiration for his consistency. >> i do too. >> romney has flip-flopped so many times, you don't know where he stands. at least with santorum you know what you're going to get. he doesn't change on his key issues. >> i will say of the republican candidates running, he's the most authentic and that is exactly drew. he could be the last man standing simply because if

romney keeps saying the stuff that he's saying, you know, i don't -- >> i believe rick santorum is 2003 -- it's not a mistake, it seemed to my about a very specific way of phrasing something. i'm going after middle america and he expanded it to eliminate anybody who is poor, almost suggesting they weren't even americans. >> that's what he said, now that part could have a slip, because if you really ask him, he would say yes, they're american. but people of lower income are not on romney's radar screen, i don't mean that he hates them. he doesn't go to bed at night and say what can i do to hurt them. he doesn't even think about it. it's not part of his world view, they're not on his radar screen, he doesn't relate to them. that's why he says i bet you $10,000, i mean all of these things he's saying, and you wonder, why is he running for president?

in other words he could be a wonderful person, bright and all that, lovely family man, smart and all that, but i don't sense any passion, when he says i'm running for the soul of america. what soul? i don't think -- you don't sense that he feels oh, my gosh, americans are suffering, let's stop everything else. >> let me ask you, as a confirmed democrat, do you feel that barack obama understands what his vision for the soul of america is? because my slight quibble with him in the first term that he's had, and if he gets another term, i'm interested to see what he does about this. i'm not sure what his mission statement is, other than what he perceives as the damage left to him by the republicans. what is the obama mantra. >> i don't think it's a bumper sticker. so i don't think it's one slogan. remember, he hasn't started really campaigning, he has republican primaries, everything

you see in the polls is based on every single day in the last six months. but basically his message is that free enterprise is great and we have to support it, but we can't do it alone, there are in this world going to be people left out of the free enterprise system because they're unemployed, they don't have a good enough education, so at some point, government services are needed, government employment is needed. we have to recognize that no longer in this world is it possible for free enterprise to employ everybody. because the whole purpose of the free enterprise of any business is to make a profit. and in order to make a profit, you have to cut expenses. so every business, every single company every three months looks at how can they cut expenses. if possible you replace a person

with a computer. you go too the airport and you don't even need the ticket agent to check in anymore. >> isn't it a more fundamental problem, if you look at america's most successful company apple. apple employees, three times as many people in china as it does in america. >> exactly, yeah. >> and a lot of them are on terrible wages, terrible conditions, we have been reading all about this in the press in the last week, there seems to be no sense at apple of a national responsibility. my argument is this, i don't can't -- we're employing a million people. why don't we just bring back 10% of his. because i reckon the american people will respond incredibly favorably to that gesture and go and buy enough apple products.

>> this is why if you were american i would vote for you for president. but here's the problem, the business -- they are in business to make a profit and because that's their sole goal to make a profit, any time they can replace a person with a computer, they'll do that. if they have to have a person, they'll hire someone overseas because that person is cheaper. there's another problem with that. it would be great if they would hire just americans. but what they will tell you in return is they need 10,000 engineers at a certain level of education and they're not finding enough engineers. >> hold that thought. i want to discuss education. and also other ways that we can keep america great. because you and i can fix this. >> we'll run together. america needs a british president. ♪

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i think if there's a large turnout here, i think that will be very good and if i'm staying in contention in cleveland, then i expect we'll win. >> jerry springer is back with me now, looking still very youthful.

>> i should just tell you that was exactly 30 years ago yesterday. >> was it really? >> that i announced for governor, back in '82, february 1st. >> you once worked on bobby kennedy's campaign? >> that was my first elected political involvement. but only for four months. in all your experience, is this any nastier than any republican democrat. not particularly nastier, we have now obviously the 24/7 coverage and so much more money spent on advertising that the commercials are so much rougher. so that probably is, but in terms of the hostility in the nation, people are forgetting 1968. in 1968, the nation was really divided. and i don't mean just by those who were politically active, it was the vietnam war, it was civil rights, our cities were burning, there were dmen stragszs, people were burning

draft cards. the whole country was torn apart. >> there was a little bit of a banter with suze orman that they were broken people. and i take exception to this. i think they're not broken, they're suffering financial hardship but most of all they're angry at the politicians. because it's the politicians right now that are trying to kill each other. the people actually are probably less divided than they have been in a long time. >> here's what has happened to politics in america, it's because you have, and you have to because of the constitution. you have the census every 10 years and then you have redistricting. of the 400 constitutional districts in america, 95% of americans live in a -- his or her re-election, he only has to

win the primary. you have to create your politics that you went be tossed out by someone in your own party in the primary. the people who vote in the primary are extremists. everyone who gets elected to congress is either very conservative or very liberal. which is why we don't get them talking. which is which mcconnell said as soon as obama's elected, we will do everything to make sure obama doesn't get re-elected. that's the focus. >> actually we'll work with the president to keep america great that's my sort of new theme for this show. i feel very strongly there should be more positivitity in the rhetoric. america is a great country, with millions and millions of great people.

it just has at the moment this particular impasse in washington where there's getting nothing done. >> what do you tell your child when they suddenly become an age that they're paying attention to politics. and in two or three years they're going to be voting. every single person running for office is a slime bag according to the commercial. why would i vote for any of these people? it's like, the disrespect we have for the president of the united states, if you don't like his politics, then say i disagree. i'm going to vote the other side, and this is why. but you don't talk about obama as if he's criminal, as if he's -- he's not even american. i mean all this, i mean why would any young person have respect for our institutions when all our leaders do is disparage anyone who decides to get involved. >> if you look at the way that

america has tried to go around the world showing off the virtues of a fair and free democratic political system, it doesn't say a lot for that fair and free democratic system. if people look at washington and see this paralysis because they all hate each other so much. that is not what i think people meant by a fair and free democratic system. >> i think some of our politicians say worse things than some of these cable shows or radio talk shows say worse things about obama than our, quote, enemies overseas say about us. it's unbelievable. that has to change. it wasn't like that, there was respect for the person who was president of the united states. you disagreed with him, you did everything you could to beat him in an election fair and square. but you didn't disrespect the midwestern or the office. >> let's take a break and talk about education specifically. there's lots of big issues in education. america is falling behind and what's this? [ male announcer ] quaker oatmeal squares

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jerry! jerry! >> that's outrageous. jerry springer is getting hiss 20th year. when thaw watch these things, be honest, jerry, do you ever wish you had stayed in politics? >> every day, i mean i love these political things. i always knew from day one that

i would never make my living in politics. >> i didn't enjoy jerry's show, but i think i will vote for springer. >> therefore i am announcing today my candidacy of the office of -- >> ttt, it says wait, what happened. it is the apocalypse, is jerry springer smarter than all those currently in the white house? >> i love this stuff and it's like religion to me, and i don't want to make money on religion, so i have no problem separating the two. i am hired to be an entertainer of a crazy show and that's what i do. i enjoy when i do it, that's my job. it doesn't mean they don't vote. we all behave differently on friday night when you're out with your friends than you do sunday morning in church for example. you behave differently at a funeral than you do at a bar.

you talk differently to your parents than you do to your friends. when i do a crazy show,, i act crazy. >> one man has gone to a top college who -- and one was a lower standard university where he would get all his fees paid. and she said you should take the lower option. i don't think he should have even been in that position. america's brightest students shouldn't be priced out of the university where they can best fulfill their potential. >> that's the assault on the

middle class. middle class kids cannot afford to go to college. or they have to take out loans that will put them in debt for 30 years. that is the great crime. we aren't going to compete with the rest of the countries in this world in this global economy unless we make -- your spending tax dollars and that's why we have to when you're in high school, you've lost these kids already. we have to s.t.a.r.t. with early childer education, how many kids don't know that, and they don't have books in the home or they're not read to regularly and they're lost. >> shouldibility this be an absolutely education priority.

nothing is more important. we can't be doing that when the whole goal here is when we're not putting money in education. early childhood education we have to be willing to do that, in most schools in america, school is provided by a property tax. it is counter productive, because obviously low income communities have lower property values, therefore they have less money to spend on education and it could be argued they need to best education of all. people in wealthy suburbs, their schools are doing fine. we're not talking how bad teachers, teachers are horrible,

they're public servants, get rid of them and kit the federal budget. the states have less money and they send less money to the communities, and then the communities have less money, they lay off firefighters, they lay off police officers. this government thing is nuts. we can't have everyone involved in just the private sector. we have to have government jobs and education is the most important one. we all admit we have to have good teachers. >> i'm seeing a stump speech right now. i'm seeing behind you 100,000 people. somewhere in america and you know what they're all doing when they're hearing you? jerry! jerry! jerry! you've got your own chants already, and your own speech. >> okay, i'll run. >> i'm not joking, i have known you a long time. we worked on "america's got talent." we have had dinner, what do i

have to say to you to convince you that it's time to you did your duty. >> if i run, i'll announce it here. >> it will be fantastic. >> i group in new york. >> i know you did. >> go back. >> i could go to all the yankee games. >> i really enjoy our conversation. >> jerry springer, always great on this kind of thing. coming up next, one of america's top cops in protecting the country in this post osama bin laden age, bill bratton next on "a.c. 360." >> real could attack iran within months, what would an attack look likes? and what would be the fallout. doctors who cheat to get certified.

they already have many of the questions and many of the answers as well. the congressional -- how its happening in other fields of medicine as well. those stories at the top of the hour and piers morgan with bill bratton in a moment of americans believe they should be in charge of their own future.

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net -- how worried should the world be right now, and america in particular. that's a question for bill bratton t former top cop, not one, not two, but three of america's big cities. he's also the author of a new book, collaborate or perish, reaching across boundaries in a network world. bill bratton is with us now. it's a perfectly timed title for a book. because one of the biggest problems facing america right now, it seems to me. is that so many of the leaders in america are at each other's throats. never mind the world that american leaders collaborated, isn't it? >> actually if you want an example of data to collaborate, all you want to do is look at the u.s. congress in terms of the fiasco that that body has become. it's perfectly timed. collaborate or perish is very appropriate.

and it going to get us nowhere unfortunately. >> all these things are into businesses, whether you're running a government, you're running a police force. whatever it may be, a television network, it all comes down to very common ground in terms of running a team of people. running businesses. >> we're going through a major reorganization at this point. in los angeles and new york, the success in those cities was as a result of collaboration. my proudest accomplishment in the public sector was the collaboration between the los

angeles police department and the city's minority population, particularly african-americans, who were effectively at war with each other for 50 years. we were able to resolve that, turn a corner on race relations, and that city is becoming a martyr of race relations between the police force and the minority communities. >> we had a big, big issues, obviously, back in my home country, britain, the northern island situation. in the end, prime minister tony blair, at the time, had to sit down with notorious terrorists and do business with them. he had to bring them in and talk to them in a language they felt comfortable with before peace could be achieved. although people throw their nose up at that kind of thing, actually, isn't that the way to wrestle with most of these dilemmas, whether it's gangs in los angeles or terrorists, wherever it might be, it comes back to collaborate or perish. you have to make them feel

inclusive. >> we emphasize in the book there are eight essential elements of collaboration. if you're misfiring on even one of those eight, you stand a good risk of not succeeding. first and foremost, you need leadership, you need leadership that has a vision. tony blair, the instance you recalled, had the vision and the passion to once and for all try to resolve that issue that most people thought was never going to be resolved. he found a common plat pm form, if you will, where they could come together to discuss the issues. there was something in it for everybody, which is another essential element of it, and he found a way to incrementally move it forward. we have two dozen stories of collaborations that have succeeded and some that have failed. it's a word that every day going forward, they're going to read about it or hear about it. >> let's turn to iran.

i was talking about this earlier with senator santorum because i think leon panetta's comments about the fact that israel may be just a few months away from striking an attack against iran, what should america's response be to this, you think, and from a police point of view, how concerned wuyod be if you're running one of the major cities right now about some kind of pre-emptive attack from iranory a retaliatory attack. >> the most significant comments are coming from the israelis who are clearly indicating they believe it's not a two-year period of time as mr. pennetta has indicted, but realistically, one year. rirments not the matter if they have the capacity or capability, it's a foregone conclusion, really, as it's really about decision making.

if the ayatollah decides he wants to activate that program and move it forward, that within a year, they would have a working device. supposedly have enough enriched uranium and other materials to make four bombs current ray. if i was still a police chief in los angeles and the united states, new york, with all that is going on, i would be ramping up basically the activity relative to watching for potential activity in my city. the iranians in the past, i can recall, july 18th, 1994, as police commissioner of new york city, we got a call, 3:00 in the morning from federal officials indicating there had been an attack on a jewish institution in buwaynes aeros, and an attack in the united states was imminent, likely, as well as another israeli target in new york. within several hours, we

surrounded both of those locations with city sanitation trucks until we could bring in more barriers. they have shown a capability and an interest in attacking this country in issues involving the israelis. i would be concerned, very concerned. >> what is the final lesson you could give us from all your police years in terms of collaboration. when you look and see occupy wall street and the movements, what are the lessons you have learned about controlling something like that where public opinion is with these people, they have the right to protest. how far do you allow them to go to express that freedom and right to protest and where they cross the line and you have to come down firmly? >> looking at the recent occupy wall street movement, the movement of police against those activities, the encampments or

demonstrations or marches, we rely on political decisions to be made by mayors, governors, who authorize us to take action. it's very seldom, other in response to overt violence, blatant disregard to the law leading to violence and injury to the public, that police are not going to self-initiate. they're going to wait for leadership and guidance. you're seeing that over the past six, seven months, that police activities have always followed instructions from government as to proceeding or nod proceeding. and that's the way it should be. >> it's a fascinating book. as i said, incredibly well times. "collaborate or perish." thanks for joining me. >> great to be with you once again. coming um, tonight, only in america. donald trump, mitt romney, and the endorsement that echoed around the world.

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