country. on the radio a couple this country. on the radio a couple of moments _ this country. on the radio a couple of moments ago _ this country. on the radio a couple of moments ago before _ this country. on the radio a couple of moments ago before we - this country. on the radio a couple of moments ago before we were i this country. on the radio a couple - of moments ago before we were joined by ourfriends watching of moments ago before we were joined by our friends watching on television, you said we should stop the boats in the channel, puncture the boats in the channel, puncture the boats, sink the boats, get them aboard and take them back to france. that is your plan, right? that aboard and take them back to france. that is your plan, right?— that is your plan, right? that would be a choice — that is your plan, right? that would be a choice of _ that is your plan, right? that would be a choice of a _ that is your plan, right? that would be a choice of a plan. _ that is your plan, right? that would be a choice of a plan. the _ that is your plan, right? that would be a choice of a plan. the second i be a choice of a plan. the second choice is the border force orders them to return to france. you don't just think someone's boat, but you give the choice. wet or dry is up to you. give the choice. wet or dry is up to ou. ., ., ., , ., ., _, you. immigration lawyer, how do you resond to you. immigration lawyer, how do you respond to that? _ you. immigration lawyer, how do you respond to that? public— you. immigration lawyer, how do you respond to that? public i _ you. immigration lawyer, how do you respond to that? public i have - you. immigration lawyer, how do you respond to that? public i have a - respond to that? public i have a better plan. how about let's just catch the gangs? if you want to stop the drug dealing, you stop the dealers. — the drug dealing, you stop the dealers, you don't lock up all the users _ dealers, you don't lock up all the users if— dealers, you don't lock up all the users if we _ dealers, you don't lock up all the users. if we can get bin laden and gaddafi _ users. if we can get bin laden and gaddafi holed up in their countries, sending _ gaddafi holed up in their countries, sending elite units, pick them up

and but _ sending elite units, pick them up and put them on trial. are you trying — and put them on trial. are you trying to— and put them on trial. are you trying to tell me that these gangs have been operating for at least 30 years _ have been operating for at least 30 years on_ have been operating for at least 30 years on the same french coast, we know_ years on the same french coast, we know where — years on the same french coast, we know where it is, they [and at the same _ know where it is, they [and at the same kent — know where it is, they [and at the same kent coast, we know where that is, using _ same kent coast, we know where that is, using the _ same kent coast, we know where that is, using the same routes that they are 20 _ is, using the same routes that they are 20 steps ahead of us and we have 'ust are 20 steps ahead of us and we have just given _ are 20 steps ahead of us and we have just given up — are 20 steps ahead of us and we have just given up and are saying, sorry, we can't _ just given up and are saying, sorry, we can't catch these lot, we have to try some _ we can't catch these lot, we have to try some thing else. we have elite units, _ try some thing else. we have elite units, border force, we have military. _ units, border force, we have military, we are spending billions on defence systems, we are even arming _ on defence systems, we are even arming other countries to fight their_ arming other countries to fight their wars... arming other countries to fight their wars. . ._ arming other countries to fight their wars... ., , ., ~ ., ., their wars... you break one gang, and another _ their wars... you break one gang, and another spirits _ their wars... you break one gang, and another spirits up, _ their wars... you break one gang, and another spirits up, that - their wars... you break one gang, and another spirits up, that is - their wars... you break one gang, and another spirits up, that is the | and another spirits up, that is the problem. and another spirits up, that is the roblem. ., , ., , problem. you give these gangs life. at the moment, _ problem. you give these gangs life. at the moment, one _ problem. you give these gangs life. at the moment, one court - problem. you give these gangs life. at the moment, one court gave - at the moment, one court gave someone — at the moment, one court gave someone three years inside, he will be out _ someone three years inside, he will be out in _ someone three years inside, he will be out in 15— someone three years inside, he will be out in 1.5 years. he made millions— be out in 1.5 years. he made millions out of it. give them wife, break— millions out of it. give them wife, break these — millions out of it. give them wife, break these gangs up, and catch them regularly _ break these gangs up, and catch them regularly if_ break these gangs up, and catch them regularly. if you catch 300 gangs, it of sending 300 people to rwanda, what is _ it of sending 300 people to rwanda, what is the _ it of sending 300 people to rwanda, what is the bigger deterrent? thank

ou for what is the bigger deterrent? thank you for your — what is the bigger deterrent? thank you for your contributions, - what is the bigger deterrent? thank you for your contributions, let's - what is the bigger deterrent? trims. you for your contributions, let's go with the collar. we have celia in east london and bill in life. and we have jason in colchester. celia, you go first. will this plan work? his. have jason in colchester. celia, you go first. will this plan work? tie. i go first. will this plan work? no, i don't think— go first. will this plan work? no, i don't think it _ go first. will this plan work? no, i don't think it will _ go first. will this plan work? no, i don't think it will work, _ go first. will this plan work? no, i don't think it will work, but - go first. will this plan work? no, i don't think it will work, but is - don't think it will work, but is actually not why i have texted in. my actually not why i have texted in. my point is, rishi sunak yesterday said both houses of parliament would stay in session until the bill was passed. how that possibly democratic, you can't leave until you agree with me? it democratic, you can't leave until you agree with me?— democratic, you can't leave until you agree with me? it has been a lona and you agree with me? it has been a long and winding _ you agree with me? it has been a long and winding road _ you agree with me? it has been a long and winding road this - long and winding road this legislation, what do you think, drew in melton mowbray? goad legislation, what do you think, drew in melton mowbray?— in melton mowbray? good morning eve one. in melton mowbray? good morning everyone- it _ in melton mowbray? good morning everyone- it is _ in melton mowbray? good morning everyone. it is my _ in melton mowbray? good morning everyone. it is my second - in melton mowbray? good morning everyone. it is my second time - in melton mowbray? good morning everyone. it is my second time on | everyone. it is my second time on the show. — everyone. it is my second time on the show, actually, so thank you for having _ the show, actually, so thank you for having me _ the show, actually, so thank you for having me on. the show, actually, so thank you for having me on— the show, actually, so thank you for having me on-_ i- the show, actually, so thank you for| having me on._ i don't having me on. welcome back. i don't think it is a — having me on. welcome back. i don't think it is a very _ having me on. welcome back. i don't think it is a very good _ having me on. welcome back. i don't think it is a very good plan _ having me on. welcome back. i don't think it is a very good plan at - having me on. welcome back. i don't think it is a very good plan at all. - think it is a very good plan at all. i don't _ think it is a very good plan at all.

i don't think— think it is a very good plan at all. i don't think it is for many reasons people _ i don't think it is for many reasons pebble have — i don't think it is for many reasons people have given. they want to deter— people have given. they want to deter people crossing. i agree with what the _ deter people crossing. i agree with what the lady has just said about them _ what the lady has just said about them saying they will stay in parliament until they agree with me, i don't _ parliament until they agree with me, i don't think— parliament until they agree with me, i don't think that is democratic, but the — i don't think that is democratic, but the whole thing, look at and what _ but the whole thing, look at and what it _ but the whole thing, look at and what it was, if you look at the rwanda — what it was, if you look at the rwanda agreement, the chances of getting _ rwanda agreement, the chances of getting multiple flights a month, with all— getting multiple flights a month, with all the hoops and everything you we _ with all the hoops and everything you we have to jump with all the hoops and everything you we have tojump through, we have to set— you we have tojump through, we have to set the _ you we have tojump through, we have to set the date, they have a chance to set the date, they have a chance to block— to set the date, they have a chance to block it — to set the date, they have a chance to block it if — to set the date, they have a chance to block it if they don't want people _ to block it if they don't want people there, then you got the accommodation that has to be there, i know— accommodation that has to be there, i know people say they will be more, but iiust_ i know people say they will be more, but ijust can't see it at all. the rwandans — but ijust can't see it at all. the rwandans have the right to reject people. _ rwandans have the right to reject people, as far as i understand it. how— people, as far as i understand it. how is _ people, as far as i understand it. how is it— people, as far as i understand it. how is it undemocratic to take it away from the lords and give the

ultimate decision to the democratically elected house of commons? to democratically elected house of commons?— democratically elected house of commons? ., , , ~ commons? to me, it is basically like a teacher saying _ commons? to me, it is basically like a teacher saying to _ commons? to me, it is basically like a teacher saying to the _ commons? to me, it is basically like a teacher saying to the class, - commons? to me, it is basically like a teacher saying to the class, you . a teacher saying to the class, you are going to stay in this room until somebody owns up. it is not giving them the choice. for somebody owns up. it is not giving them the choice.— them the choice. for they were sto -|n~ them the choice. for they were stopping the — them the choice. for they were stopping the unelected - them the choice. for they were l stopping the unelected amending them the choice. for they were - stopping the unelected amending it so that the elected could put it through? so that the elected could put it throu~h? . ., ., through? the unelected who are aareed through? the unelected who are agreed with. _ through? the unelected who are agreed with. i — through? the unelected who are agreed with, i think _ through? the unelected who are agreed with, i think at _ through? the unelected who are agreed with, i think at the - through? the unelected who are agreed with, i think at the last l agreed with, i think at the last count, 260 civil liberties charities. the un have deep, deep worries about this bill. all the airlines are wanting to pull out, because they don't want to be associated with it.— associated with it. jason in colchester, _ associated with it. jason in colchester, what _ associated with it. jason in colchester, what do - associated with it. jason in colchester, what do you i associated with it. jason in - colchester, what do you think? hi, nikki, and everyone else on the oath _ nikki, and everyone else on the oath i— nikki, and everyone else on the oath i have _ nikki, and everyone else on the oath i have a _

nikki, and everyone else on the call. i have a different- nikki, and everyone else on the call. i have a different slant - nikki, and everyone else on the call. i have a different slant oni call. i have a different slant on this _ call. i have a different slant on this. firstly. _ call. i have a different slant on this. firstly. i— call. i have a different slant on this. firstly, ithink— call. i have a different slant on this. firstly, ithinkthat- call. i have a different slant on this. firstly, ithinkthat it- call. i have a different slant on this. firstly, i think that it is l this. firstly, i think that it is part— this. firstly, i think that it is part of— this. firstly, i think that it is part of the _ this. firstly, i think that it is part of the solution, - this. firstly, i think that it is part of the solution, so - this. firstly, i think that it is part of the solution, so my. this. firstly, i think that it is - part of the solution, so my view is, we are _ part of the solution, so my view is, we are talking _ part of the solution, so my view is, we are talking about _ part of the solution, so my view is, we are talking about big _ part of the solution, so my view is, we are talking about big numbers. we are talking about big numbers like 50,000 _ we are talking about big numbers like 50,000 in— we are talking about big numbers like 50,000 in the— we are talking about big numbers like 50,000 in the backlog, - we are talking about big numbers like 50,000 in the backlog, my. we are talking about big numbers. like 50,000 in the backlog, my view is start— like 50,000 in the backlog, my view is start with — like 50,000 in the backlog, my view is start with ones _ like 50,000 in the backlog, my view is start with ones that _ like 50,000 in the backlog, my view is start with ones that are _ like 50,000 in the backlog, my view is start with ones that are coming i is start with ones that are coming over— is start with ones that are coming over now — is start with ones that are coming over now get— is start with ones that are coming over now. get the _ is start with ones that are coming over now. get the optics - is start with ones that are coming over now. get the optics out - is start with ones that are coming i over now. get the optics out there, that if— over now. get the optics out there, that if our— over now. get the optics out there, that if our boat _ over now. get the optics out there, that if our boat lands, _ over now. get the optics out there, that if our boat lands, as— over now. get the optics out there, that if our boat lands, as soon - over now. get the optics out there, that if our boat lands, as soon as l that if our boat lands, as soon as it is past— that if our boat lands, as soon as it is past royal— that if our boat lands, as soon as it is past royal assent, _ that if our boat lands, as soon as it is past royal assent, process. that if our boat lands, as soon asi it is past royal assent, process it, -et it is past royal assent, process it, get them — it is past royal assent, process it, get them off— it is past royal assent, process it, get them off to _ it is past royal assent, process it, get them off to rwanda. - it is past royal assent, process it, get them off to rwanda. let - it is past royal assent, process it, get them off to rwanda. let the l get them off to rwanda. let the people — get them off to rwanda. let the people smugglers— get them off to rwanda. let the people smugglers and _ get them off to rwanda. let the people smugglers and the - get them off to rwanda. let the - people smugglers and the economic migrants, _ people smugglers and the economic migrants, the — people smugglers and the economic migrants, the ones _ people smugglers and the economic migrants, the ones that _ people smugglers and the economic migrants, the ones that want - people smugglers and the economic migrants, the ones that want to - people smugglers and the economic i migrants, the ones that want to come here. _ migrants, the ones that want to come here, see _ migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that — migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that i— migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that. i think— migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that. i think i— migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that. i think i would - migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that. i think i would be - migrants, the ones that want to come here, see that. i think i would be a i here, see that. i think i would be a deterrent. — here, see that. i think i would be a deterrent, alongside _ here, see that. i think i would be a deterrent, alongside all— here, see that. i think i would be a deterrent, alongside all the - here, see that. i think i would be a deterrent, alongside all the other. deterrent, alongside all the other things— deterrent, alongside all the other things like — deterrent, alongside all the other things like smashing _ deterrent, alongside all the other things like smashing the - deterrent, alongside all the other things like smashing the gangs, i deterrent, alongside all the other. things like smashing the gangs, etc. ithink— things like smashing the gangs, etc. i think that _ things like smashing the gangs, etc. i think that would _ things like smashing the gangs, etc. i think that would be _ things like smashing the gangs, etc. i think that would be really - things like smashing the gangs, etc. i think that would be really useful. i i think that would be really useful. i think that would be really useful. i also _ i think that would be really useful. i also think— i think that would be really useful. i also think that _ i think that would be really useful. i also think that we _ i think that would be really useful. i also think that we have _ i think that would be really useful. i also think that we have to - i also think that we have to consider— i also think that we have to consider that— i also think that we have to consider that it _ i also think that we have to consider that it is - i also think that we have to consider that it is not - i also think that we have to consider that it is notjusti i also think that we have to . consider that it is notjust the gangs — consider that it is notjust the gangs here _ consider that it is notjust the gangs here the _ consider that it is notjust the gangs here. the people - consider that it is notjust the gangs here. the people thatl consider that it is notjust the . gangs here. the people that are coming — gangs here. the people that are coming over— gangs here. the people that are coming over here _ gangs here. the people that are coming over here are _ gangs here. the people that are coming over here are forking. gangs here. the people that are| coming over here are forking out £5,000 — coming over here are forking out

£5,000 ought— coming over here are forking out £5,000 ought to _ coming over here are forking out £5,000 ought to get _ coming over here are forking out £5,000 ought to get on - coming over here are forking out £5,000 ought to get on that- coming over here are forking out i £5,000 ought to get on that boat. they are _ £5,000 ought to get on that boat. they are complicit _ £5,000 ought to get on that boat. they are complicit in _ £5,000 ought to get on that boat. they are complicit in a _ £5,000 ought to get on that boat. they are complicit in a criminal- they are complicit in a criminal act _ they are complicit in a criminal act there _ they are complicit in a criminal act. there are _ they are complicit in a criminal act. there are many— they are complicit in a criminal act. there are many more - they are complicit in a criminal. act. there are many more people around _ act. there are many more people around the — act. there are many more people around the world _ act. there are many more people around the world that, _ act. there are many more people around the world that, if - act. there are many more people around the world that, if you - act. there are many more peoplel around the world that, if you want to be _ around the world that, if you want to be altruistic, _ around the world that, if you want to be altruistic, are _ around the world that, if you want to be altruistic, are more - around the world that, if you want. to be altruistic, are more deserving than people — to be altruistic, are more deserving than people that _ to be altruistic, are more deserving than people that are _ to be altruistic, are more deserving than people that are in— to be altruistic, are more deserving than people that are in france - to be altruistic, are more deserving than people that are in france thatl than people that are in france that have 5000 — than people that are in france that have 5000 on _ than people that are in france that have 5000 on the _ than people that are in france that have 5000 on the hip— than people that are in france that have 5000 on the hip to _ than people that are in france that have 5000 on the hip to come - than people that are in france that| have 5000 on the hip to come here because _ have 5000 on the hip to come here because they — have 5000 on the hip to come here because they choose _ have 5000 on the hip to come here because they choose to _ have 5000 on the hip to come here because they choose to do - have 5000 on the hip to come here because they choose to do that - because they choose to do that illegally — because they choose to do that illegally i— because they choose to do that illegally. i think _ because they choose to do that illegally. i think it _ because they choose to do that illegally. i think it is— because they choose to do that illegally. i think it is worth - illegally. i think it is worth giving _ illegally. i think it is worth giving it— illegally. i think it is worth giving it a _ illegally. i think it is worth giving it a go _ illegally. i think it is worth giving it a go. if— illegally. i think it is worth giving it a go. if it - illegally. i think it is worth giving it a go. if it fails, i illegally. i think it is worth giving it a go. if it fails, it| giving it a go. if it fails, it fails _ giving it a go. if it fails, it fails. worked _ giving it a go. if it fails, it fails. worked in _ giving it a go. if it fails, it| fails. worked in australia! giving it a go. if it fails, it fails. worked in australia! alexis, is it worth giving _ fails. worked in australia! alexis, is it worth giving it _ fails. worked in australia! alexis, is it worth giving it a _ fails. worked in australia! alexis, is it worth giving it a go? - fails. worked in australia! alexis, is it worth giving it a go? i - fails. worked in australia! alexis, is it worth giving it a go? i don't i is it worth giving it a go? i don't think so. is it worth giving it a go? i don't think so- i _ is it worth giving it a go? i don't think so. i don't _ is it worth giving it a go? i don't think so. i don't think— is it worth giving it a go? i don't think so. i don't think it - is it worth giving it a go? i don't| think so. i don't think it intended to work. judging by the feeble amount of people it is actually going to export, if you will, to rwanda, i don't think it was ever intended to be a serious policy. my own view, if i'm being cynical, is that it has been engineered to create a fight with the european court of human rights, the european

convention on human rights, in order that the government can withdraws from that. stand that the government can withdraws from that. �* ., that the government can withdraws from that. . . ., , from that. and it went all the way to the echr _ from that. and it went all the way to the echr in — from that. and it went all the way to the echr in 2022, _ from that. and it went all the way to the echr in 2022, didn't - from that. and it went all the way to the echr in 2022, didn't it - from that. and it went all the way. to the echr in 2022, didn't it when they told ministers the plane could not leave until british judges had been given the opportunity to properly examine it and sift all the evidence, and then we got the supreme court's judgment, evidence, and then we got the supreme court'sjudgment, and then the government passing the law. that is very cynical of you, alexis. yes. the government _ is very cynical of you, alexis. yes. the government seem _ is very cynical of you, alexis. yes. the government seem to - is very cynical of you, alexis. yes. the government seem to be - is very cynical of you, alexis. re; the government seem to be incredibly cynical, to be honest. they seem to have been dying to pick fights with the echr, and have been for years. they have to break the criminal gangs, and the government are saying this is a moral mission, this is about saving lives. i this is a moral mission, this is about saving lives.— this is a moral mission, this is about saving lives. i don't think it has a chance _ about saving lives. i don't think it has a chance to _ about saving lives. i don't think it has a chance to break _ about saving lives. i don't think it has a chance to break the - about saving lives. i don't think it has a chance to break the gangs, | has a chance to break the gangs, because they are not targeting gangs, they are targeting people who are being ferried by the gangs. if

they wanted to be serious, you go back to the plans under the last labour government, the number of people being processed, the agreements we have of europe, that was a far more efficient system. this isn't. this isjust incredibly expensive, and it will only achieve in getting rid of a very few number of people. what is the actual reason for it? if it is going to be incredibly expensive and incredibly inefficient, why would you do it? it is very interesting hearing all your views on this, do get in touch. you know the number, it is 08085 909693 on the phones, 85058 on the text. can ijust interject? why do we know that this _ can ijust interject? why do we know that this is _ can ijust interject? why do we know that this is not going to work? i am saying. _ that this is not going to work? i am saying. give — that this is not going to work? i am saying, give it a go, see what happened. everyone is saying, there have been— happened. everyone is saying, there have been many collars succumbing on and saying. _ have been many collars succumbing on and saying, it is not going to work, it is not— and saying, it is not going to work, it is not going to work. it was a

powerful— it is not going to work. it was a powerful deterrent in australia. they _ powerful deterrent in australia. they cut — powerful deterrent in australia. they cut their numbers down 90 plus percent _ they cut their numbers down 90 plus percent from migrants coming in from indonesia, _ percent from migrants coming in from indonesia, and i will come back on this point — indonesia, and i will come back on this point. these are not desperate people _ this point. these are not desperate people. they are in france. they are not being _ people. they are in france. they are not being persecuted in france. they are choosing to come here. main; not being persecuted in france. they are choosing to come here.— are choosing to come here. many of them have ties _ are choosing to come here. many of them have ties of _ are choosing to come here. many of them have ties of language - are choosing to come here. many of them have ties of language and - are choosing to come here. many of| them have ties of language and they have relatives here, and we have heard this morning that three men, one woman, one child, drowned in the channel. you want to come back on that, alexis? i channel. you want to come back on that. alexis?— channel. you want to come back on that, alexis? i mean, a lot of these --eole that, alexis? i mean, a lot of these people are — that, alexis? i mean, a lot of these people are desperate, _ that, alexis? i mean, a lot of these people are desperate, and - that, alexis? i mean, a lot of these people are desperate, and the - people are desperate, and the reasons why people choose to come to this country are incredibly vast and varied. like i say, the main point i was trying to make is that i think you need to look behind the stated reasoning, because the figures, all

the information we have, it points to the fact that this is going to be a non—functioning policy, really, so why are we doing it? there are far more efficient ways to repatriate these people, to return them to europe, and there are far more efficient and cheaper ways of doing it. �* ., ., f . it. bill, either not more efficient wa s of it. bill, either not more efficient ways of tackling _ it. bill, either not more efficient ways of tackling this? _ it. bill, either not more efficient ways of tackling this? it - it. bill, either not more efficient ways of tackling this? it seems. it. bill, either not more efficient - ways of tackling this? it seems not. it seems this _ ways of tackling this? it seems not. it seems this is _ ways of tackling this? it seems not. it seems this is the _ ways of tackling this? it seems not. it seems this is the only _ ways of tackling this? it seems not. it seems this is the only game - ways of tackling this? it seems not. it seems this is the only game in i it seems this is the only game in town. _ it seems this is the only game in town. so— it seems this is the only game in town. so i— it seems this is the only game in town, so i think— it seems this is the only game in town, so i think we _ it seems this is the only game in town, so i think we have - it seems this is the only game in town, so i think we have to - it seems this is the only game in town, so i think we have to give i it seems this is the only game ini town, so i think we have to give it a try. _ town, so i think we have to give it a try. as _ town, so i think we have to give it a try. as other— town, so i think we have to give it a try, as other callers— town, so i think we have to give it a try, as other callers have - town, so i think we have to give it a try, as other callers have said. i a try, as other callers have said. labour— a try, as other callers have said. labour don't _ a try, as other callers have said. labour don't seem _ a try, as other callers have said. labour don't seem to _ a try, as other callers have said. labour don't seem to have - a try, as other callers have said. labour don't seem to have any. a try, as other callers have said. - labour don't seem to have any great ideasm _ labour don't seem to have any great ideas... , . , labour don't seem to have any great ideas... , , , ., ., ., ideas... they see they are going to ut a lot ideas... they see they are going to put a lot of — ideas... they see they are going to put a lot of more _ ideas... they see they are going to put a lot of more money _ ideas... they see they are going to put a lot of more money into - ideas... they see they are going to put a lot of more money into the i put a lot of more money into the border force. and it is costing a load of cash to do this for not many people. as a man, iam load of cash to do this for not many people. as a man, i am sure, load of cash to do this for not many people. as a man, iam sure, who understands the ledger, do you think this is worth it? i understands the ledger, do you think this is worth it?— this is worth it? i think we have to this is worth it? i think we have to t and this is worth it? i think we have to try and find _ this is worth it? i think we have to try and find a _ this is worth it? i think we have to try and find a way _ this is worth it? i think we have to try and find a way of— this is worth it? i think we have to try and find a way of getting - this is worth it? i think we have to i try and find a way of getting round the lawyers. — try and find a way of getting round the lawyers, basically. _ try and find a way of getting round the lawyers, basically. so- try and find a way of getting round the lawyers, basically. so we - try and find a way of getting round j the lawyers, basically. so we need to ship— the lawyers, basically. so we need to ship these —

the lawyers, basically. so we need to ship these folks _ the lawyers, basically. so we need to ship these folks off, _ the lawyers, basically. so we need to ship these folks off, and - the lawyers, basically. so we need to ship these folks off, and get - to ship these folks off, and get them _ to ship these folks off, and get them to— to ship these folks off, and get them to apply _ to ship these folks off, and get them to apply for _ to ship these folks off, and get them to apply for asylum - to ship these folks off, and get - them to apply for asylum elsewhere. the lawyers — them to apply for asylum elsewhere. the lawyers are _ them to apply for asylum elsewhere. the lawyers are only _ them to apply for asylum elsewhere. the lawyers are only seeking - them to apply for asylum elsewhere. the lawyers are only seeking to - the lawyers are only seeking to apply the law, so are you effectively saying find a way to get around the law? locate effectively saying find a way to get around the law?— around the law? we can establish that any country _ around the law? we can establish that any country is _ around the law? we can establish that any country is unsafe - around the law? we can establish that any country is unsafe or- that any country is unsafe or anybody _ that any country is unsafe or anybody is _ that any country is unsafe or anybody is threatened - that any country is unsafe or anybody is threatened with i that any country is unsafe or- anybody is threatened with bullying or asylum. — anybody is threatened with bullying or asylum. we _ anybody is threatened with bullying or asylum. we got _ anybody is threatened with bullying or asylum, we got through - anybody is threatened with bullying or asylum, we got through it, - anybody is threatened with bullying or asylum, we got through it, even| or asylum, we got through it, even with our— or asylum, we got through it, even with our own — or asylum, we got through it, even with our own country. _ or asylum, we got through it, even with our own country. look - or asylum, we got through it, even with our own country. look at - or asylum, we got through it, even with our own country. look at the i with our own country. look at the post _ with our own country. look at the post office — with our own country. look at the post office scandal. _ with our own country. look at the post office scandal. this - with our own country. look at the post office scandal. this is - with our own country. look at the post office scandal. this is in - with our own country. look at the post office scandal. this is in a l post office scandal. this is in a safe _ post office scandal. this is in a safe country— post office scandal. this is in a safe country even _ post office scandal. this is in a safe country even for— post office scandal. this is in a safe country even for a - post office scandal. this is in a safe country even for a personl safe country even for a person behind — safe country even for a person behind a — safe country even for a person behind a post _ safe country even for a person behind a post office _ safe country even for a person behind a post office counter! i safe country even for a person - behind a post office counter! they might _ behind a post office counter! they might get— behind a post office counter! they might get put— behind a post office counter! they might get put in— behind a post office counter! they might get put injail! _ behind a post office counter! they might get put injail! we _ behind a post office counter! they might get put injail! we have - behind a post office counter! they might get put injail! we have to i might get put injail! we have to -et might get put injail! we have to get around — might get put injail! we have to get around our— might get put injail! we have to get around our lawyers. - might get put injail! we have to get around our lawyers. we - might get put injail! we have to get around our lawyers. we are i might get put injail! we have to i get around our lawyers. we are too much _ get around our lawyers. we are too much of— get around our lawyers. we are too much of a _ get around our lawyers. we are too much of a soft— get around our lawyers. we are too much of a soft touch. _ get around our lawyers. we are too much of a soft touch. this - get around our lawyers. we are too much of a soft touch. this seems i get around our lawyers. we are too| much of a soft touch. this seems to be the _ much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only— much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only way— much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only way we _ much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only way we can _ much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only way we can do - much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only way we can do it. - much of a soft touch. this seems to be the only way we can do it. martin in newoort. — be the only way we can do it. martin in newoort. what— be the only way we can do it. martin in newport, what do _ be the only way we can do it. martin in newport, what do you _ be the only way we can do it. martin in newport, what do you think? - be the only way we can do it. martinl in newport, what do you think? good mornin: , in newport, what do you think? good morning. nicky- _ in newport, what do you think? good morning. nicky- a — in newport, what do you think? (limp. morning, nicky. a deterrent, ithink was the question. my personal view, my question, i guess, is that we

have mentioned or you have mentioned this morning that there are 50,000 in the backlog, and there are these terrible deaths as we have seen today, and people coming across every month. as a deterrent, ijust don't see if it can be a deterrent if you join the back of a queue. if there are 50,000, and then you become 50,001, you have a couple of years in the uk, it is not really a deterrent, is it? i don't understand what the government's position is in choosing who goes on these first flights. is it the first people who come out of the first dinghy tomorrow? or is that that person who has been in the 50,000 queue for two years? we haven't had that distinction, and i don't know, if it is the people in the queue, i don't

see it as being much of a deterrent for those who have been desperately travelling from sudan, afghanistan, four months and months, knowing they arejoining the back of four months and months, knowing they are joining the back of the queue. given the desperation and one of the reasons, bill, come back on this, and will bring in a great collar, alison in inverness, in what ways are going to be a deterrent? one of the reasons for appeal is that you have mental health issues. wouldn't you say, i have mental health issues, and then we have an appeal on our hands?— on our hands? anybody can claim mental health _ on our hands? anybody can claim mental health issues. _ on our hands? anybody can claim mental health issues. nobody - on our hands? anybody can claim mental health issues. nobody is| mental health issues. nobody is perfect — mental health issues. nobody is perfect. history— mental health issues. nobody is perfect. history is _ mental health issues. nobody is perfect. history is full— mental health issues. nobody is perfect. history is full of- mental health issues. nobody is perfect. history is full of people | perfect. history is full of people being _ perfect. history is full of people being put— perfect. history is full of people being put in— perfect. history is full of people being put in prison _ perfect. history is full of people being put in prison because - perfect. history is full of people - being put in prison because somebody else thinks— being put in prison because somebody else thinks they — being put in prison because somebody else thinks they are _ being put in prison because somebody else thinks they are insane, _ being put in prison because somebody else thinks they are insane, so - being put in prison because somebody else thinks they are insane, so that i else thinks they are insane, so that will work— else thinks they are insane, so that will work either. _ else thinks they are insane, so that will work either.— will work either. there are plenty of grounds _ will work either. there are plenty of grounds for — will work either. there are plenty of grounds for appeal, _ will work either. there are plenty of grounds for appeal, we - will work either. there are plenty of grounds for appeal, we have i of grounds for appeal, we have established that. we are looking at them. in what way are going to be a

deterrent? .. . , them. in what way are going to be a deterrent? ., , , ., deterrent? hopefully, the whole le . al deterrent? hopefully, the whole legal process — deterrent? hopefully, the whole legal process takes _ deterrent? hopefully, the whole legal process takes place - deterrent? hopefully, the whole | legal process takes place abroad. but how— legal process takes place abroad. but how is— legal process takes place abroad. but how is it _ legal process takes place abroad. but how is it going _ legal process takes place abroad. but how is it going to _ legal process takes place abroad. but how is it going to be - legal process takes place abroad. but how is it going to be a - but how is it going to be deterrent to stop people but how is it going to be— deterrent to stop people coming here, which is what you want to do? hopefully they will realise that if they come — hopefully they will realise that if they come across _ hopefully they will realise that if they come across illegally, - hopefully they will realise that if they come across illegally, and i hopefully they will realise that if - they come across illegally, and then they come across illegally, and then they are _ they come across illegally, and then they are immediately _ they come across illegally, and then they are immediately taken - they come across illegally, and then they are immediately taken off- they come across illegally, and then they are immediately taken off to i they come across illegally, and then they are immediately taken off to a i they are immediately taken off to a foreign _ they are immediately taken off to a foreign countrym _ they are immediately taken off to a foreign country... but— they are immediately taken off to a foreign country. . ._ they are immediately taken off to a foreign country... but they are not, it is auoin foreign country... but they are not, it is going to _ foreign country... but they are not, it is going to take _ foreign country... but they are not, it is going to take weeks. _ foreign country... but they are not, it is going to take weeks. but - foreign country... but they are not, it is going to take weeks. but the i it is going to take weeks. but the lan it is going to take weeks. but the [an is, it is going to take weeks. but the plan is, eventually, _ it is going to take weeks. but the plan is, eventually, as— it is going to take weeks. but the plan is, eventually, as i - it is going to take weeks. but the plan is, eventually, as i see - it is going to take weeks. but the plan is, eventually, as i see it, i plan is, eventually, as i see it, that— plan is, eventually, as i see it, that we — plan is, eventually, as i see it, that we just _ plan is, eventually, as i see it, that we just fly _ plan is, eventually, as i see it, that we just fly these - plan is, eventually, as i see it, that we just fly these folk - plan is, eventually, as i see it, that we just fly these folk off, i plan is, eventually, as i see it, i that we just fly these folk off, we do not _ that we just fly these folk off, we do not give — that we just fly these folk off, we do not give them _ that we just fly these folk off, we do not give them any— that we just fly these folk off, we do not give them any significant. do not give them any significant rights _ do not give them any significant rights to— do not give them any significant rights to appeal _ do not give them any significant rights to appeal or— do not give them any significant rights to appeal or a _ do not give them any significant rights to appeal or a legal- do not give them any significantl rights to appeal or a legal rights, but they— rights to appeal or a legal rights, but they land _ rights to appeal or a legal rights, but they [and on _ rights to appeal or a legal rights, but they [and on the _ rights to appeal or a legal rights, but they [and on the shore, - rights to appeal or a legal rights, but they [and on the shore, we i rights to appeal or a legal rights, i but they [and on the shore, we take them _ but they [and on the shore, we take them off— but they [and on the shore, we take them off to — but they [and on the shore, we take them off to another _ but they [and on the shore, we take them off to another country, - but they [and on the shore, we take them off to another country, then i but they [and on the shore, we take i them off to another country, then we can start _ them off to another country, then we can start the — them off to another country, then we can start the legal _ them off to another country, then we can start the legal process... - them off to another country, then we can start the legal process... my - can start the legal process... my ent can start the legal process... entry object —— may i interject. can start the legal process...- entry object —— may i interject. i 'ust entry object —— may i interject. i just want— entry object —— may i interject. i just want to _ entry object —— may i interject. i just want to say, i appreciate your points. _ just want to say, i appreciate your points. but— just want to say, i appreciate your points, but that person coming over

this morning, you are saying they should _ this morning, you are saying they should go— this morning, you are saying they should go immediately through the court system two weeks ago, how about _ court system two weeks ago, how about the — court system two weeks ago, how about the person he came last week or two— about the person he came last week or two years — about the person he came last week or two years ago through the same system? _ or two years ago through the same system? where does the line start? were _ system? where does the line start? were very— system? where does the line start? were very polite in britain, we join the back— were very polite in britain, we join the back of— were very polite in britain, we join the back of a queue, don't we? if a erson the back of a queue, don't we? if a person arrives at any time in the past _ person arrives at any time in the past on — person arrives at any time in the past on a — person arrives at any time in the past on a boat _ person arrives at any time in the past on a boat and _ person arrives at any time in the past on a boat and on _ person arrives at any time in the past on a boat and on the - person arrives at any time in the| past on a boat and on the beach, person arrives at any time in the - past on a boat and on the beach, we fly them _ past on a boat and on the beach, we fly them off — past on a boat and on the beach, we fly them off-— fly them off. that is my point, they are the first — fly them off. that is my point, they are the first people. _ fly them off. that is my point, they are the first people. because - fly them off. that is my point, they are the first people. because there i are the first people. because there are the first people. because there are only— are the first people. because there are only 300 or 500 a year, whatever it is. _ are only 300 or 500 a year, whatever it is. a _ are only 300 or 500 a year, whatever it is. a very— are only 300 or 500 a year, whatever it is, a very small amount, there has got — it is, a very small amount, there has got to— it is, a very small amount, there has got to be thousands and thousands that are in the queue. as a deterrent. — thousands that are in the queue. as a deterrent, don't you see that it is negligible, because you're just joining _ is negligible, because you're just joining the back of accu? and is negligible, because you're 'ust joining the back of accu? and the thin is, joining the back of accu? and the thing is. what _ joining the back of accu? and the thing is, what people _ joining the back of accu? and the thing is, what people fear- joining the back of accu? and the thing is, what people fear and i joining the back of accu? and the | thing is, what people fear and you can understand people saying, we

have to try something, and this may work, if you are of that opinion you can respect that. isn't this riddled with unintended consequences if people hear that they are heading for deportation, they are going to disappear in communities? it is going to increase the risk of that happening. alison in inverness, tasha and sint austen, good morning to both of you. alison, what do you think, is this rwanda plan going to work, whatever that means? i think there rwanda _ work, whatever that means? i think there rwanda plan _ work, whatever that means? i think there rwanda plan is— work, whatever that means? i think there rwanda plan is completely i there rwanda plan is completely racist. the uk is are colonising an imperialist country, and i think we should stop invading other countries, crashing their economy, and encouraging them... what we are all trained to believe is the mother country for obvious reasons. we need

workers here, we are welcoming as a country, not everybody in the country, not everybody in the country agrees with this policy, we haven't been consulted. 50. country agrees with this policy, we haven't been consulted.— country agrees with this policy, we haven't been consulted. so, we let eve bod haven't been consulted. so, we let everybody in? _ haven't been consulted. so, we let everybody in? how _ haven't been consulted. so, we let everybody in? how many - haven't been consulted. so, we let everybody in? how many people i haven't been consulted. so, we let i everybody in? how many people left britain last year? _ everybody in? how many people left britain last year? i— everybody in? how many people left britain last year? i know _ everybody in? how many people left britain last year? i know for - everybody in? how many people left britain last year? i know for a - everybody in? how many people left britain last year? i know for a fact i britain last year? i know for a fact that there are a lot of indigenous scottish people leaving scotland because there are no houses for them, so i think it would be fairer and more honest to quote those statistics. , ., ~' and more honest to quote those statistics. , ., ~ , ., statistics. so, you think we should have a very _ statistics. so, you think we should have a very lax — statistics. so, you think we should have a very lax or— statistics. so, you think we should have a very lax or a _ statistics. so, you think we should have a very lax or a liberal, - statistics. so, you think we should have a very lax or a liberal, i - have a very lax or a liberal, i might say, immigration system? i think the days of british imperialism are over, and i think we should stop behaving in that manner. is stopping, i mean how do you break up is stopping, i mean how do you break up criminal gangs? is nothing thousands and thousands of people coming here, potentially illegally,

is that imperialistic? ida. coming here, potentially illegally, is that imperialistic?— is that imperialistic? no, buti think the rhetoric _ is that imperialistic? no, buti think the rhetoric surrounding | is that imperialistic? no, but i. think the rhetoric surrounding it is. most of the people being deported to rwanda will be people of colour. as far as i'm concerned, it is totally racist. also, i have been led to believe that homosexual men deported to rwanda are in danger of being killed. that is not equality. some people have argued that. the rwandan government have argue very strongly against that. some people are saying, andrew mitchell, the deputy foreign secretary, he criticised rwanda, and to say that rwanda is an unsafe country is inherently racist. he said that. you are on, it is a beautiful line. i just wanted to bring up the point

about— just wanted to bring up the point about the — just wanted to bring up the point about the french police on the beach that allowed the boat to leave this morning — that allowed the boat to leave this morninu. . , .. that allowed the boat to leave this morninu. . , ., ., , morning. yes, they do to stop ostensibly. — morning. yes, they do to stop ostensibly, they _ morning. yes, they do to stop ostensibly, they do _ morning. yes, they do to stop ostensibly, they do try - morning. yes, they do to stop ostensibly, they do try and i morning. yes, they do to stop ostensibly, they do try and do i morning. yes, they do to stop i ostensibly, they do try and do it, they go along puncturing the boats, but obviously not all the time. it seems like theyjust allow these people _ seems like theyjust allow these people to leave. surely this could, like you _ people to leave. surely this could, like you say, puncture the boats. so, like you say, puncture the boats. so. the _ like you say, puncture the boats. so, the french should be doing more? but like the french should be doing more, yes. it but like the french should be doing more, es. . . but like the french should be doing more, es. , ., but like the french should be doing more. yes-— more, yes. it is a good deterrent, with the people — more, yes. it is a good deterrent, with the people smugglers - more, yes. it is a good deterrent, with the people smugglers will i more, yes. it is a good deterrent, l with the people smugglers will still make _ with the people smugglers will still make money. with the people smugglers will still make money-— make money. would it stop you comin: ? make money. would it stop you coming? if— make money. would it stop you coming? if it — make money. would it stop you coming? if it is _ make money. would it stop you coming? if it is 300 _ make money. would it stop you coming? if it is 300 per - make money. would it stop you coming? if it is 300 per year, i make money. would it stop you i coming? if it is 300 per year, and thousands come over per annum, would it stop you? knowing there is a tiny probability of being sent to rwanda? it might do, if i think it is not worth— it might do, if i think it is not

worth it _ it might do, if i think it is not worth it. but like the earlier collar— worth it. but like the earlier collar said, these people have money to pay— collar said, these people have money to pay people smugglers, lots of money — to pay people smugglers, lots of money. where are these people getting — money. where are these people getting the money from to pay all this to _ getting the money from to pay all this to come? it getting the money from to pay all this to come?— this to come? it is an awful lot of mone . this to come? it is an awful lot of money. nadeem _ this to come? it is an awful lot of money. nadeem in _ this to come? it is an awful lot ofi money. nadeem in huddersfield, this to come? it is an awful lot of- money. nadeem in huddersfield, thank you for getting in touch. idaho. money. nadeem in huddersfield, thank you for getting in touch.— you for getting in touch. now, thank ou. what you for getting in touch. now, thank you- what you _ you for getting in touch. now, thank you. what you say? _ you for getting in touch. now, thank you. what you say? i _ you for getting in touch. now, thank you. what you say? i have _ you for getting in touch. now, thank you. what you say? i have heard - you. what you say? i have heard today and _ you. what you say? i have heard today and yesterday, _ you. what you say? i have heard today and yesterday, and - you. what you say? i have heard today and yesterday, and apart i you. what you say? i have heard - today and yesterday, and apart from you and one other person who has spoken some sense, everybody else has no idea. have any of these people come over unable as an asylum seeker? do they have any idea what the people have been too? no. most of my comments i have said over the years is, if you have no idea what somebody else is going through, be kind and courteous to them. that is the minimum. all these people have been slagging them off, passing the buck, and doing exactly what the government is doing. why do we blame the government for this mess instead of blaming everybody else? before this government came into power, where you set a simple system.

people came in, if they were, what is it, if they were asylum seekers or they had a good reason can then come up they were sent back, and if they had a good reason to come on, they had a good reason to come on, they were allowed to stay. we have so many vacancies for so many different things, why don't we find out if these people have qualifications for those vacancies, instead of using the same old scenario, wasting our money that we pay in taxes every year, and we would save a a lot of money. i literally have just retired, i am 55 next month, and i am fuming at the way our government literally has no idea what they are doing, they are just wasting our money willy—nilly on their own scenarios with their own offices... on their own scenarios with their own offices. . ._ on their own scenarios with their own offices... 0k. yeah, sorry! own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know, own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know. rant _ own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know, rant away, _ own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know, rant away, i— own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know, rant away, i am own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know, rant away, lam happy own offices... ok. yeah, sorry! know, rant away, i am happy to be a

therapist. the comic might meeting some other cause. thank you for making that point. this might back up making that point. this might back up alison's point, which is that we have been part of causing a lot of trouble in the world, people argue because of that lot before coming here were under climate change, you ain't seen nothing yet! pit one other thing, ain't seen nothing yet! pit one otherthing, it ain't seen nothing yet! pit one other thing, it can make one other quick point? the other thing, it can make one other quick point?— other thing, it can make one other tuick oint? , quick point? the uk needed us in the 19605 quick point? the uk needed us in the 1960s when my _ quick point? the uk needed us in the 1960s when my parents _ quick point? the uk needed us in the 1960s when my parents came - quick point? the uk needed us in the 1960s when my parents came over, i 1960s when my parents came over, open border policy, and when they don't need us, they close the door. you can't have it both ways. you can't have your cake and eat it. thank you, sir. dominique in east london, michaeland thank you, sir. dominique in east london, michael and dagenham thank you, sir. dominique in east london, michaeland dagenham coming up. anton, make a quick point. there are great colours. and we get very short points from all of you, and i will rudely interrupt you when you have made it. go on, anton. i’m

will rudely interrupt you when you have made it. go on, anton. i'm an immigrant — have made it. go on, anton. i'm an immigrant myself. _ have made it. go on, anton. i'm an immigrant myself. i— have made it. go on, anton. i'm an immigrant myself. i came - have made it. go on, anton. i'm an immigrant myself. i came over- have made it. go on, anton. i'm an| immigrant myself. i came over from south _ immigrant myself. i came over from south africa, and i feel very strongly— south africa, and i feel very strongly about these boats, because it was _ strongly about these boats, because it was really difficult and really expensive for me to come over in the le-al expensive for me to come over in the legal way _ expensive for me to come over in the legal way to — expensive for me to come over in the legal way. to basically have my wife and my— legal way. to basically have my wife and my daughter, who was born in england. _ and my daughter, who was born in england. to — and my daughter, who was born in england, to have them stay with me, i had to— england, to have them stay with me, i had to go— england, to have them stay with me, i had to go to court and fight my case _ i had to go to court and fight my case with— i had to go to court and fight my case with the home office. they cost me thousands of pounds. why is it so easy for— me thousands of pounds. why is it so easy for people to just jump on a boat _ easy for people to just jump on a boat and — easy for people to just jump on a boat and come over, when i had to go through— boat and come over, when i had to go through all— boat and come over, when i had to go through all the legal cost and jumping through hoops. my british passport— jumping through hoops. my british passport is my most prized possession, and i'm thankful for every— possession, and i'm thankful for every opportunity i have in this country — every opportunity i have in this country i— every opportunity i have in this country. i love the fact that i can work. _ country. i love the fact that i can work. that— country. i love the fact that i can work. that i— country. i love the fact that i can work, that i could put myself through— work, that i could put myself through university in this country. why is— through university in this country. why is it — through university in this country. why is itjust our through university in this country. why is it just our freefall for everybody who can come in a book? they are _ everybody who can come in a book? they are planning a long way in paying a lot of money, but i hear what you're saying. dominique, good morning to you. for what you're saying. dominique, good

morning to you-— morning to you. for me, i agree with the last colour. _ morning to you. for me, i agree with the last colour. i— morning to you. for me, i agree with the last colour. ijust _ morning to you. for me, i agree with the last colour. i just think— morning to you. for me, i agree with the last colour. i just think it - morning to you. for me, i agree with the last colour. i just think it is - the last colour. ijust think it is silly that we are pretending our country wasn't built off the back of immigrants. ifeel like a lot country wasn't built off the back of immigrants. i feel like a lot of us come from families with immigrant histories, so i don't understand why the government has made it so the general public seems like they are the ones that almost asked for this, do you know what i mean? i the ones that almost asked for this, do you know what i mean?- do you know what i mean? i these numbers not _ do you know what i mean? i these numbers not unsustainable? - do you know what i mean? i these numbers not unsustainable? if- do you know what i mean? i these numbers not unsustainable? if we| numbers not unsustainable? if we hear, as people argue, the pressure on hospitals, public services... could you repeat that? i on hospitals, public services... could you repeat that?- could you repeat that? i these numbers. _ could you repeat that? i these numbers. can _ could you repeat that? i these numbers, can they _ could you repeat that? i these numbers, can they carry - could you repeat that? i these numbers, can they carry on i could you repeat that? i these l numbers, can they carry on like this? the number of people coming here, apart from the very fact that they have to break the criminal gangs? how would you break the business model of the criminal gangs? business model of the criminal hans? �* ., _ business model of the criminal trans? �* ., ,, ., business model of the criminal ans?�* ., _ ., gangs? i'm obviously not as educated to seak gangs? i'm obviously not as educated to speak on — gangs? i'm obviously not as educated to speak on that, _ gangs? i'm obviously not as educated to speak on that, but... _ gangs? i'm obviously not as educated to speak on that, but... you're - to speak on that, but... you're siuanin to speak on that, but... you're signing great — to speak on that, but... you're signing great to _ to speak on that, but... you're signing great to me, _ to speak on that, but... you're signing great to me, very - to speak on that, but... you're - signing great to me, very articulate and logical! he made a very powerful point about how we need people to

filljobs point about how we need people to fill jobs and point about how we need people to filljobs and we are built on immigration. but there are some very evil people working on this, the criminal gangs who are getting paid money by these people and are selling in the dream. how do you stop that from happening? for selling in the dream. how do you stop that from happening? for me, i don't think sending _ stop that from happening? for me, i don't think sending all _ stop that from happening? for me, i don't think sending all the _ stop that from happening? for me, i don't think sending all the people i don't think sending all the people who are coming here to rwanda is even coming close to combating that issue. ifeel like if they even coming close to combating that issue. i feel like if they want to deal with that, you have to go back to those countries that people are coming from, talk to their governments. dealing with it in the way of sending people who are just trying to get their lives away doesn't make any sense full stop thatis doesn't make any sense full stop that is a great call, thank you very much. michaeland that is a great call, thank you very much. michael and dagenham that is a great call, thank you very much. michaeland dagenham and bonnie in high wycombe coming up. bonnie, what do you think? goad bonnie, what do you think? good morninu. bonnie, what do you think? good morning. well... _ bonnie, what do you think? good morning. well... you _ bonnie, what do you think? good morning. well... you think- bonnie, what do you think? good | morning. well... you think what? bonnie, what do you think? good i morning. well... you think what? i think rwanda _ morning. well... you think what? i think rwanda makes _ morning. well... you think what? i think rwanda makes sense, - think rwanda makes sense, definitely. if there are new

migrants coming straight into the uk, straight to rwanda, it takes a few weeks. — uk, straight to rwanda, it takes a few weeks, it takes a few weeks, but hopefully _ few weeks, it takes a few weeks, but hopefully that will stop immigrants from trying to get in. hopefully people — from trying to get in. hopefully people smugglers are losing that bit of money _ people smugglers are losing that bit of money. let people smugglers are losing that bit of mone . , ., i. people smugglers are losing that bit ofmone. .., of money. let me explore, you sound like a wise woman _ of money. let me explore, you sound like a wise woman and _ of money. let me explore, you sound like a wise woman and i _ of money. let me explore, you sound like a wise woman and i bet _ of money. let me explore, you sound like a wise woman and i bet you've i like a wise woman and i bet you've been round the block. i'm not giving you any of that! lets just do a psychological experiment here. do you think, if there is a tiny chance of you being sent to rwanda, and at the moment the stats suggest it is a minuscule chance, do you think it will stop people coming here? i think it might do, yeah, definitely. we are _ think it might do, yeah, definitely. we are an — think it might do, yeah, definitely. we are an easy country to come in, have _ we are an easy country to come in, have benefits, get someone to stay. 100%~ _ have benefits, get someone to stay. 100%~ i— have benefits, get someone to stay. 100%. i think that will stop some of them _ 100%. i think that will stop some of them from — 100%. i think that will stop some of them from coming in. if

100%. i think that will stop some of them from coming in.— them from coming in. if we are an easy country _ them from coming in. if we are an easy country to — them from coming in. if we are an easy country to come _ them from coming in. if we are an easy country to come in, - them from coming in. if we are an i easy country to come in, benefits, somewhere to stay, surely will take the chance? ilat somewhere to stay, surely will take the chance?— the chance? not if you're going to be sent to — the chance? not if you're going to be sent to rwanda. _ the chance? not if you're going to be sent to rwanda. but _ the chance? not if you're going to be sent to rwanda. but a - the chance? not if you're going to be sent to rwanda. but a tiny - be sent to rwanda. but a tiny proportion — be sent to rwanda. but a tiny proportion of— be sent to rwanda. but a tiny proportion of people - be sent to rwanda. but a tiny proportion of people will - be sent to rwanda. but a tiny proportion of people will be i be sent to rwanda. but a tiny i proportion of people will be sent be sent to rwanda. but a tiny - proportion of people will be sent to rwanda, and it is not straight to rwanda, and it is not straight to rwanda, it will take weeks. well, it needs to step _ rwanda, it will take weeks. well, it needs to step up. _ rwanda, it will take weeks. well, it needs to step up. we _ rwanda, it will take weeks. well, it needs to step up. we have - rwanda, it will take weeks. well, it needs to step up. we have to - rwanda, it will take weeks. well, it needs to step up. we have to look. needs to step up. we have to look after— needs to step up. we have to look after ourselves first, we can't look after _ after ourselves first, we can't look after everybody. we are such a small country _ after everybody. we are such a small country i— after everybody. we are such a small country. i think we do a greatjob of what _ country. i think we do a greatjob of what we — country. i think we do a greatjob of what we do at the minute. we can't _ of what we do at the minute. we can't look— of what we do at the minute. we can't look after everybody. we got start looking after ourselves stop bonnie _ start looking after ourselves stop bonnie in — start looking after ourselves stop bonnie in high wycombe, thank you very much. michael dagenham, hello. are you there, michael? michael and dagenham! are you there, michael? michael and dauenham! ., ., are you there, michael? michael and dagenham!_ you - are you there, michael? michael and dagenham!_ you have i are you there, michael? michael and i dagenham!_ you have about dagenham! yeah, i am. you have about a minute. hi. — dagenham! yeah, i am. you have about a minute. hi, nicky. _ dagenham! yeah, i am. you have about a minute. hi, nicky. i'm— dagenham! yeah, i am. you have about a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all— dagenham! yeah, i am. you have about a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all right. - a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all right. yet. i'm looking _

a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all right. yet. i'm looking at _ a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all right. yet. i'm looking at the _ a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all right. yet. i'm looking at the rwanda i a minute. hi, nicky. i'm all right.| yet. i'm looking at the rwanda bill as something that is a bad move. it is a very, very bad move, because... the uk government, years back, on this side of the globe, went to africa and, whilst —— and colonise the people. africa and, whilst -- and colonise the people-— the people. and would ask you a straiaht the people. and would ask you a straight question _ the people. and would ask you a straight question and _ the people. and would ask you a straight question and just - the people. and would ask you a. straight question and just second. one second, we reserve years and lives in use, thank for watching. —— we lose our viewers on bbc news, thank you for watching.

live from london. this is bbc news. five people — including a child — have died trying to cross the english channel in a small boat. the french coastguard are searcing for others. after the british parliament passes legislation aimed at allowing asylum seekers to be sent to rwanda — the bbc witnesses dramatic scenes in calais. donald trump's criminal trial will hear arguments that the former president breached an order which prevents him from attacking witnesses and jurors. tens of thousands are forced to leave their homes after torrential flooding and landslides hit southern china. after months of spouting gibberish, nasa says its voyager one probe is once again sending usable information back to earth, from 15 billion miles away.

good morning. five people — including a child — have died while attempting to cross the english channel in a small boat. the boat, which got into difficulties in the early hours of tuesday, had more than 100 people on board when it left northern france. three men, a woman and a child are known to have died. it comes hours after the rwanda bill aimed at deterring migrants was finally passed by the uk parliament. the controversial bill designates rwanda a safe country and aims to allow some asylum seekers to be sent there. official figures show the backlog of people waiting to be removed from the uk rose from nearly 1800 in july last year. just hours after the bill passed, the bbc�*s tom symonds witnessed migrants on a beach in calais in france trying to get on boats and cross the english channel.

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