a re are no clear view approaches are no clear view indifferent different health care systems and germany, switzerland and austria have continued to be liberal in their views on the use of puberty blockers, whereas in sweden, finland and now england by definition that the uk has taken a different view on that issue of puberty blockers. fine that issue of puberty blockers. one final oint that issue of puberty blockers. one final point to _ that issue of puberty blockers. one final point to you, sonia. are you optimistic that we can now deal with this going forward in an open way? i this going forward in an open way? i think this report is incredibly important in taking the heat out and going _ important in taking the heat out and going back_ important in taking the heat out and going back to the evidence. i am optimistic, — going back to the evidence. i am optimistic, i think it's a really important _ optimistic, i think it's a really important moment but as i was saying before, _ important moment but as i was saying before, i do— important moment but as i was saying before, i do think there are big challenges for the nhs. it's not 'ust challenges for the nhs. it's not just a _ challenges for the nhs. it's not just a case that you, in an area so contested, — just a case that you, in an area so contested, it's not the case that you get— contested, it's not the case that you get a — contested, it's not the case that you get a report based on the evidence _ you get a report based on the evidence and then everything magically changes. nhs commissioning managers _ magically changes. nhs commissioning managers have to work very hard to ensure _ managers have to work very hard to ensure that — managers have to work very hard to ensure that children and young

people — ensure that children and young people do get the services they deserve — people do get the services they deserve as set out in hilary cass's vision _ deserve as set out in hilary cass's vision and — deserve as set out in hilary cass's vision and i— deserve as set out in hilary cass's vision and i think this could be difficult — vision and i think this could be difficult so i think we are on the start— difficult so i think we are on the start of— difficult so i think we are on the start of a — difficult so i think we are on the start of a long journey here. next, assaulting a shop worker will become a separate offence in england and wales as part has a response to retail crime. the prime minister has been on a visit in west sussex today after that government announcement. here is what he had to say about it. our track record and clamping down on crime is very positive. crime has halved since 2010, and to outlined new plans to tackle behaviour and fraud which are already working but i have been concerned by the rise in retail crime which i'm sure many others are either seeing it or on social media which is why today with an unofficial set of measures to clamp down on retail crime which is about a brand—new offence for

assaulting shop workers using facial recognition technology to catch perpetrators with cctv but greater use of electronic tagging of shopkeepers. warmly welcomed by retailers and police i've spoken to today and crucially will demonstrate to our shop workers we have their back and also will do what it takes to keep our streets and community safe which is what everyone wants and what we will deliver. white prisons are full. we are in the midst of building the biggest prison expansion programme in many decades. thousands of new places and increasing sentencing for the most violent criminals ending the automatic cafe release point because the most violent offender should be sent to jailfor long gap is the most violent offender should be sent to jail for long gap is what we are delivering which by the way it is all going to be a when we pass those laws. is all going to be a when we pass those laws— is all going to be a when we pass those laws-— is all going to be a when we pass those laws. ~ , ., ., , ., those laws. why have doctors got so lona when those laws. why have doctors got so long when treating _ those laws. why have doctors got so long when treating children - those laws. why have doctors got so long when treating children with - long when treating children with transgender issues? i long when treating children with transgender issues?— long when treating children with transgender issues? i welcome the -ublication transgender issues? i welcome the publication of— transgender issues? i welcome the publication of the _ transgender issues? i welcome the publication of the report _ transgender issues? i welcome the publication of the report today, - publication of the report today, something the commission and that aligns with our approach on this issue which is of course we should

treat children questioning their gender with compassion and sensitivity but we have to recognise that we need to move with extreme caution in these areas because we simply do not know the long—term impacts of what this all means and children's well—being is uppermost in our mind which is why we have acted on the interim findings previously which is related to the nhs banning routine use of puberty blockers on the guidance we gave to schools about how to treat these issues in those environments which again were warmly welcomed and i've been very consistent on this topic throughout my career and i want to make sure we consider this report carefully but you've already acted on the interim findings and it is very much in alignment with us offering extreme caution on these issues because we do not know the long—term impacts. ah, issues because we do not know the long-term impacts.— issues because we do not know the long-term impacts. a question about william wragg. _ long-term impacts. a question about william wragg. is _ long-term impacts. a question about william wragg, is that _ long-term impacts. a question about william wragg, is that right - long-term impacts. a question about william wragg, is that right yes - william wragg, is that right yes quit the tory party and the commons? he has taken action to resign and

this is a reminder to everyone in public life about being sceptical and suspicious about unsolicited e—mails and messages coming into you. there are lots of people out there and we have to be on guard. white men do you regret backing him? element he has rightly apologised for what he has done. —— do you regret backing him? he has rightly apologised. are you worried homes and rand are being given to locals now? element i saw the president of lander in downing street this week and they are committed and i'm confident —— are committed and i'm confident —— are you worried about homes and rwanda being given to locals now? i saw the president of rwanda and i'm confident that the scheme will be operational, you can get people on

flights because that is how we set “p flights because that is how we set up a deterrent and ultimately end the unfairness of people jumping the queue, coming here illegally, putting pressure on local services and risking their own lives which is not right, fair or compassionately the right thing to do. ihla not right, fair or compassionately the right thing to do.— not right, fair or compassionately. the right thing to do._ we the right thing to do. no date? we have to get — the right thing to do. no date? we have to get the — the right thing to do. no date? we have to get the bill _ the right thing to do. no date? we have to get the bill through - have to get the bill through parliament first which i'm keen to do as quickly as possible but the labour party have been blocking and frustrating us for a while but once it has passed we will get the scheme up it has passed we will get the scheme up and running. it has passed we will get the scheme no and running-— up and running. finally on israel- gazza, up and running. finally on israel- gazza. do — up and running. finally on israel- gazza. do you — up and running. finally on israel- gazza, do you agree _ up and running. finally on israel- gazza, do you agree with - up and running. finally on israel- i gazza, do you agree with president brian's criticism? —— finally on israel— gaza, do you agree with president brian's criticism ? my my situation —— finally on israel— gaza, do you agree with president agree with president biden's criticism? my situation has been that i am backing a pause. i’m my situation has been that i am backing a pause.— backing a pause. i'm proud the uk has played — backing a pause. i'm proud the uk has played a _ backing a pause. i'm proud the uk has played a leading _ backing a pause. i'm proud the uk has played a leading role -

backing a pause. i'm proud the uk has played a leading role in - backing a pause. i'm proud the uk has played a leading role in doing | has played a leading role in doing that, tripled our aid commitment. you're getting aid in by land, sea and air, field hospital arrived from manchester, aid being dropped by air and we are working with other countries to open up a maritime corridor so we will do everything we can on the ground and diplomatically to bring about an end to this conflict. ~ , , ,, ., ,, conflict. prime minister rishi sunak answerin: conflict. prime minister rishi sunak answering a — conflict. prime minister rishi sunak answering a lot _ conflict. prime minister rishi sunak answering a lot of _ conflict. prime minister rishi sunak answering a lot of questions - conflict. prime minister rishi sunak answering a lot of questions earlier| answering a lot of questions earlier today. and now the controversy regarding the postal scandal. i am here outside the horizon it scandal inquiry. they are looking at how postmasters and mistresses were prosecuted over a faulty computer system, the horizon system. we've been hearing today from lord james arbuthnot. he has been campaigning on this issue alongside so many of the victims for more than 1a years. his correspondence with post office

executives and the government has been given into evidence and that inquiry has resumed so let's take a listen. i inquiry has resumed so let's take a listen. . , inquiry has resumed so let's take a listen. ., , ., ., , ., listen. i was not told here is a listen. i was not told here is a list of bugs — listen. i was not told here is a list of bugs you _ listen. i was not told here is a list of bugs you are _ listen. i was not told here is a list of bugs you are to - listen. i was not told here is a list of bugs you are to take i listen. i was not told here is a | list of bugs you are to take into account, no. they failed to do that. i might divide it into three. 0ne account, no. they failed to do that. i might divide it into three. one a civil and criminal cases. the second is bugs and the third is consideration in the past of independent investigations. absolutely. they did not do that. does the same apply to the meeting on the 17th of may 2002? yes. and all of this time, _ on the 17th of may 2002? yes. and all of this time, did _ on the 17th of may 2002? jazz and all of this time, did any of on the 17th of may 2002? 19:3 and all of this time, did any of them ever mention the facts and matters which i have listed, 16 or 17 of them? :,

which i have listed, 16 or 17 of them. in _ which i have listed, 16 or 17 of them? ida. in preparation for this them? no. in preparation for this meetin: them? iir>. in preparation forthis meeting of the 18th ofjune 2012, there was also a preparation like there was also a preparation like there was also a preparation like there was in the previous meeting and ijust want there was in the previous meeting and i just want to look at some of the things that the senior representatives of the post office were intending to say or are briefed to say as opposed to what the minute records them is actually having said. we look at 309, 6640. can you see this is in similar format, said. we look at 309, 6640. can you see this is in similarformat, a pack for the 18th ofjune meeting? yes. :. pack for the 18th ofjune meeting? yes. :, :, :, :, ,

this is the part that sets out the briefing note, speaking note lines to take. and can we look at the fifth bullet point, please? where she is briefed to say or include in the meeting, i am confident about the meeting, i am confident about the integrity of horizon. it was built on robust principles of reliability and integrity, and it has undergone many external audits and no problems of this nature have ever been raised. and then on a technical level, one, an audit trail

is created for each transaction which means we can look at all transactions done at the counter and see what happens to them subsequently. each transaction is protected with a digital signature to prevent change or tampering which means that if someone was able to penetrate the many layers of security, they would not be able to unlock the seal that protects the transaction. this prevents any malicious manipulation. and reconciliation processes automatically detect any problems at automatically detect any problems at a mean if there is a problem deliberate or otherwise it would be caught on the reconciliation report. did you or would you take such a statement to mean that remote access to alter the branch accounts was not possible? i to alter the branch accounts was not ossible? :, ., ., ,, ., :, possible? i would have taken that to mean that, possible? i would have taken that to mean that. yes- _ possible? i would have taken that to mean that, yes. thank— possible? i would have taken that to mean that, yes. thank you. - possible? i would have taken that to mean that, yes. thank you. that - possible? i would have taken that to j mean that, yes. thank you. that can come down- — mean that, yes. thank you. that can come down. the _ mean that, yes. thank you. that can come down. the conclusion - mean that, yes. thank you. that can come down. the conclusion of - mean that, yes. thank you. that can

come down. the conclusion of the i come down. the conclusion of the meeting was that an independent review or investigation should be undertaken. review or investigation should be undertaken-— review or investigation should be undertaken. yes. new address, and our undertaken. yes. new address, and your witness— undertaken. i9; new address, and your witness statement and the documents exhibited to it, the process by which second site came to be and can ijust check that process by which second site came to be and can i just check that this process by which second site came to be and can ijust check that this is correct, please. firstly, second site was identified by susan crichton of the post office because she had a previous connection with ron warmington as a ge capital. yes. it was identified _ ron warmington as a ge capital. yes. it was identified that _ ron warmington as a ge capital. yes. it was identified that it _ ron warmington as a ge capital. i9; it was identified that it was necessary for necessary mps and sub—postmaster community including alan bates who was by now undertaking a leading role in representing sub—postmaster is to be satisfied as to the competence and independence of second site. yes. therefore meetings _ independence of second site. i9; therefore meetings took place,

firstly on the 4th ofjuly 2012 between second site and five mps including you which was essentially a species of betting interview. yes. secondl , a species of betting interview. yes. secondly. on _ a species of betting interview. yes. secondly, on the _ a species of betting interview. yes. secondly, on the 12th _ a species of betting interview. yes. secondly, on the 12th of _ a species of betting interview. i9; secondly, on the 12th ofjuly 2012 between second site, you, alan bates and caitlin l our accountant. and then there was a series of correspondence between you and alan bates which i'm not going to address what is the long and short of it that mps, through your offices, started to send cases to individual cases to second site after the appointment?— cases to second site after the a- ointment? , :, ., :, appointment? yes, and although it ma have appointment? yes, and although it may have been _ appointment? yes, and although it may have been via me _ appointment? yes, and although it may have been via me or _ appointment? yes, and although it may have been via me or my - appointment? yes, and although it| may have been via me or my office, probably was. 5a may have been via me or my office, probably was-— i l probably was. so you are a help. i was. for probably was. so you are a help. i was- for the _ probably was. so you are a help. i was. for the forwarding _ probably was. so you are a help. i was. for the forwarding of- probably was. so you are a help. i was. for the forwarding of such i was. for the forwarding of such cases. it

was. for the forwarding of such cases- it is _ was. for the forwarding of such cases. it is right _ was. for the forwarding of such cases. it is right to _ was. for the forwarding of such cases. it is right to say - was. for the forwarding of such cases. it is right to say you - was. for the forwarding of such | cases. it is right to say you were not able to determine which cases go for it? you're likely you're not in a position to do so. can turn to early reporting back. in march 2013 you receive some early feedback from second site on the investigation that had by then taken place and do this caused the meeting to be scheduled for the 25th of march 2013 at portcullis house. in advance, you wrote a letter to alice perkins on the 7th of march 2013 and i'd like to look at that, please. paul 3097588. -- poll 3097588.

7th of march 2013, you to alice perkins. if we can blow up the text, please. as you know, i'm hosting a meeting on the 25th of march at portcullis house about the sub—postmaster — mistress issue. that is the meeting we will turn to. the meeting is to take the form of an update from ron warmington and ian henderson of second site on how their investigations are proceeding. i wonder if you might be free to attend along with any of those of your colleagues that you deem it is appropriate to invite. i have invited all mps who have constituents who have raised this matter with them. i do not propose inviting the media. and then we can scan over the remaining paragraphs

on that page and go over the page. if we look, you say at the top of the page i'd like to raise two matters and these are things that may need a conversation between you and me before the meeting. in my discussions, i gather that questions have been raised that the absolute integrity of horizon there without there being so fundamental as to say that the system is not fit for purpose. since it is a system that remains in current use, there is a risk that existing some postmasters and mistresses may find themselves in exactly the same position as those whose cases are being investigated. i no definitive results are not yet available but i hope post office will be available to address this issue.