nato needs to invest essentially in defence and defence spending needs to go up in defence manufacturers need to be supported in europe. mata need to be supported in europe. nato is wrestlin: need to be supported in europe. nato is wrestling with _ need to be supported in europe. iiié�*iifr is wrestling with three or four difficult issues and one is the us is going to do less, so going to have to find more money. the second is it is in a confrontation with russia, which means going back to deterrence by denial, which will require more spending money to be spent better. nato is approaching this with the armed forces that pretty much it has ended up with as a result of the decline through the post cold war. which is explicable, but no longer acceptable. and finally, technology is changing how war is fought, so we're not talking about recreating the old nato, but developing a new digital age of nato that will take time and money. time and money- — that will take time and money. time and money- do _ that will take time and money. time and money. do you _ that will take time and money. time and money. do you have _ that will take time and money. time and money. do you have the expertise at your fingers to do that and do it swiftly? 50 at your fingers to do that and do it swiftl ? ,, ., at your fingers to do that and do it swiftl ? . .., at your fingers to do that and do it swiftl ? . , , swiftly? so the technical expertise exist in the _ swiftly? so the technical expertise exist in the west, _ swiftly? so the technical expertise exist in the west, for _ swiftly? so the technical expertise exist in the west, for sure. - swiftly? so the technical expertise exist in the west, for sure. the i exist in the west, for sure. the military leadership exists, for sure. what is in doubt is where our

political leaders can understand and grasp and mobilise around this problem at a time when our economies are stagnant. find problem at a time when our economies are stagnant-— are stagnant. and you say it is a very dangerous _ are stagnant. and you say it is a very dangerous time _ are stagnant. and you say it is a very dangerous time for - are stagnant. and you say it is a very dangerous time for the - are stagnant. and you say it is a very dangerous time for the uk. are stagnant. and you say it is a - very dangerous time for the uk. just very dangerous time for the uk. just give me a flavour of why it is so dangerous. give me a flavour of why it is so dangemus-_ give me a flavour of why it is so dangerous. give me a flavour of why it is so dancerous. ., , ., ., dangerous. the uk has returned to an era of facing — dangerous. the uk has returned to an era of facing existential— dangerous. the uk has returned to an era of facing existential peril - dangerous. the uk has returned to an era of facing existential periljust - era of facing existential periljust at the time when its economy is quite flat and we want to spend our money on other things. and we have no sense of what a resilient society looks like any longer. we will have to rediscover ways of acting that we were familiar with in the cold war. this is a long journey back. richard, thank you forjoining us. tomorrow morning's front pages, the daily telegraph, judges to look at soft terms for deprived defenders. the front page. and i think that is indeed a picture of lionel shriver, she says that transgender it is a social mania. grant shapps on the eve of nato's 75th anniversary, we cannot play russian roulette with

nato funds. the guardian. supreme courtjudges add voices to call for an israeli arms ban, including brenda hale, among 600 lawyers, academics and retired seniorjudges warning the government is breaching international law by continuing to arm israel. and benjamin netanyahu faces global outcry over the killing of aid workers. the daily mail, quite a different story. mps caught up quite a different story. mps caught up in naked honey trap sting. serving minister among those feared to have been targeted by a hostile state. that's all from us tonight. i'm back tomorrow. till then, goodbye.

i'm joined now by michael capponi — founder of aid organisation — global empowerment mission. we'vejust heard from families of some of the aid workers that were killed. what is your reaction to the deaths of world central kitchen aid workers in gaza? of world central kitchen absolutely heartbreaking what's happened here. we've been working alongside and almost every disaster our teams cross them, communicated with them. just the day before. it's an incredibly complex, difficult situation. we've had to make a call,

unfortunately, to basically take the word of a director we deal with on the israeli side that this is not going to happen again and that we're going to happen again and that we're going to happen again and that we're going to be protected and we're going to be protected and we're going to be protected and we're going to have to continue to operate they are. because a situation is just dire. the situation, if he doesn't get to people they will die. it is not black—and—white. there is risk versus helping people. this is what we do. we bring about 225 trucks to the front lines of ukraine every single month. we've been doing that for two years, we haven't had one death. here you had a country where it's happened 200 times already and just six months. something is got to change with the way things are done.— way things are done. we've heard from other— way things are done. we've heard from other organisations - way things are done. we've heard from other organisations saying i from other organisations saying there coming out of their staff

working on the ground there. is that something you are considering to? we're going to ramp up. work in to multiply our staff by 100%, increase our capacities and be extremely careful and methodical about how we do things to a degree that we've never done before. like i said, the need is so big if everybody pulls out now you will have 2 million people die of starvation. what people die of starvation. what people need to understand right now, even though there's a lot of trucks coming in and it somewhat in the same amountand coming in and it somewhat in the same amount and the amount of trucks coming in pre—october seven if you look at the stats on food, what nobody understands his 95% of the entire economy has basically collapsed. there is no industry any more. there's no food being grown in the country, there's no resources any more for themselves to be

sustaining. so now you need to almost quadrupled the imports just to sustain with actually happening. 200 trucks on average coming in right now was already leading to a famine in the north. imagine if there is no more trucks coming in. imagine what that would lead to. we have to work with this government and they have to guarantee us safety. they said they would and we're going to have to basically... hope they do. we're going to have to basically... hepe they de— we're going to have to basically... hoethe do. ., ~ ., ,, .,~ hope they do. thank you for speaking us and given — hope they do. thank you for speaking us and given us _ hope they do. thank you for speaking us and given us the _ hope they do. thank you for speaking us and given us the context _ hope they do. thank you for speaking us and given us the context for - hope they do. thank you for speaking us and given us the context for the i us and given us the context for the michael capponi,. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news.

an iranian tvjournalist stabbed outside his london home has vowed he will be back on air soon.

pouria zeraati is now staying in a safe house after the attack, which is being investigated by metropolitan police counter—terrorism officers. they say three suspects left the uk within hours of the attack. here's tom symonds. he survived, but despite the positive picture, pouria zeraati is said to be all too aware he could have been killed. police searching the street where he lives, where he was approached by a man asking for money, another grabbing his arms, the first stabbing his legs, before they ran off. an eyewitness who was just down the road told me that he was walking along here when they came running towards him — two young men in their early 20s wearing black hooded tracksuits. he said they looked casual — calm, even. they got into a waiting car and drove off. but he got the number plate. the attack happened in wimbledon. police were able to track the car, a blue mazda —

possibly using automatic number plate cameras and cctv — to new malden, where they found it abandoned. it is being forensically examined. from there, the three suspects travelled to heathrow airport. there are regular buses. it's also possible to get a train. scotland yard said they caught a flight out of the uk. detectives will have their passport details and say they've been identified. the getaway car found in this street is being closely examined. police have yet to confirm which country the suspects flew to, or their possible motive. the concern is pouria zeraati was targeted as a prominent presenter for a tv station banned by the iranian regime. a friend in new york, herself targeted for assassination, said he lives with a constant threat. i talked to pouria zeraati. a month ago, pouria actually informed them about the threats that he has received.

not only him, my colleagues from iran international tv, from bbc persia, from voice of america. dissidents actually informing the uk government about the threats that they receive every single day. last year this man, magomed—husejn dovtaev, was convicted of scouting out a possible attack on the headquarters of iran international. police and the security services have foiled i6 plots against critics of iran. this attack looks more like a carefully planned attempt to terrorise than kill, but pouria zeraati has told a friend he won't be silenced. tom symonds, bbc news, wimbledon. let's take a look at some other stories in the headlines. the nato secretary—general has said ukraine can count on the alliance's support in the long term. speaking during a foreign ministers' meeting, jens stoltenberg said the allies had already started

to plan a greater role in providing finance and training to kyiv. reports say one of the options being discussed is a fund worth more than a hundred billion dollars. the ringleader of a global monkey torture network exposed by the bbc has been charged by us federal prosecutors. michael macartney, who went by the alias "torture king", has been charged in virginia with conspiracy to create and distribute animal—crushing videos. hundreds of customers in the us, uk and elsewhere were found to be paying indonesians to torture and kill baby long—tailed macaques on film. two women in the uk have also been charged. buckingham palace's famous centre room — where the royal family gather before appearances on the balcony — is going to open to the public for the first time. visitors will be able to take guided tours of the royal residence's east wing, but won't be able to go out onto the balcony itself. after five years of improvements, the �*principal floor�* of the wing

will be open injuly. now, i want to show you some pictures out of south korea. this is fu bao, she's the first giant panda born in the country. the zoo started posting updates on social media and she became an internet celebrity — with millions watching her grow up. now she's been sent to china to join a breeding prgoramme. last month thousands of visitors queued up to see her, bringing her gifts and tributes before she departed. and to help us understand the affection that fu bao holds in south korea i'm joined by youtuber, korean billy. tell me about fu bao, why did she capture the hearts of south koreans? so fu bao was born in 2020 in korea. there was a viral video from the zoo where fu bao stayed and the video

showed the fu bao giant baby pandora and the canada two caretaker having and the canada two caretaker having a good time. also the giant panda was clinging to the caretaker. everyone found the giant panda so cute and adorable so everybody including korean people and everyone around the world fell in love with her. since she was born in korea everyone could watch her and see her grow up in korea. so everyone could somehow bond with her. we thought of fu bao as kind of like a child in a family member in south korea. everyone was so sad to send her back to china. , ~' everyone was so sad to send her back to china. , ~ , �*, ., , to china. sounds like she's grown up in the public — to china. sounds like she's grown up in the public eye _ to china. sounds like she's grown up in the public eye and south - to china. sounds like she's grown up in the public eye and south korea. . sounds like she's grown up in the public eye and south korea. what were people 5 reactions to her departure? we understand she will be greatly missed. {iii

we understand she will be greatly missed. .., , we understand she will be greatly missed. _, , ., ~ we understand she will be greatly missed. , .,~ missed. of course the caretaker was heartbroken- — missed. of course the caretaker was heartbroken. he _ missed. of course the caretaker was heartbroken. he was _ missed. of course the caretaker was heartbroken. he was so _ missed. of course the caretaker was heartbroken. he was so sad - missed. of course the caretaker was heartbroken. he was so sad and - heartbroken. he was so sad and heartbroken. he was so sad and heartbroken to send her to china. we could put ourselves in the caretaker shoes. we could sympathise with him. and because we had been watching so many videos of the caretaker bonding with her and putting ourselves in the caretaker shoes we could also bond with her at the same time. so we could naturally sympathise we naturally felt so sad to send her back to china. we naturally felt so sad to send her back to china.— naturally felt so sad to send her back to china. we know the pillow diloma back to china. we know the pillow diplomacy is _ back to china. we know the pillow diplomacy is quite _ back to china. we know the pillow diplomacy is quite a _ back to china. we know the pillow diplomacy is quite a feature - diplomacy is quite a feature of chinese politics. to be diplomacy is quite a feature of chinese politics. to he know if there's going to be another panda arriving in south korea?— there's going to be another panda arriving in south korea? there are now twin pandas _ arriving in south korea? there are now twin pandas which _ arriving in south korea? there are now twin pandas which were - arriving in south korea? there are now twin pandas which were born | arriving in south korea? there are i now twin pandas which were born in south korea. there are still giant pandas staying in korea at the moment. we still have the giant

panda so we can still visit the zoo in korea and check out the giant pandas. but fu bao was an extraordinary case. because fu bao was the very first giant panda which was the very first giant panda which was born in korea through natural reproduction. was born in korea through natural reprdductidn-_ was born in korea through natural reproduction. thank you so much, curry belly — reproduction. thank you so much, curry belly giving _ reproduction. thank you so much, curry belly giving us _ reproduction. thank you so much, curry belly giving us the _ reproduction. thank you so much, curry belly giving us the update i reproduction. thank you so much, | curry belly giving us the update and white koreans are so in love with fu bao. —— korean billy. hello. areas of low pressure are forming an orderly queue in the atlantic, heading our way over the next few days bringing further bouts of rain. there will be some drier, sunnier interludes and then by the weekend, two things will happen. it will turn warmer, but it will also turn windier. now, the area of low pressure heading our way for the weekend is just starting to take

shape behind me. not much to see just yet, but that low is set to deepen. in the shorter term, you can see a couple of different low pressure systems working through. thursday morning, starting with some pretty heavy rain actually across parts of england and wales. that will tend to pull away eastwards as the day wears on. then we'll see some sunny spells, scattered showers. then later on, more rain will push across the south—west of england and into wales. for northern ireland and scotland, expect largely cloudy skies, some bits and pieces of light, rain and drizzle, but also a bit of snow mixing in over high ground in scotland. temperatures in the north of scotland only up to around five or six degrees — 16 in the south—east of england. and then through thursday night, we'll see outbreaks of heavy rain driving northwards once again. still the chance for some snow, even to relatively low levels across the northern half of scotland where it will be a cold start to friday. further south, a very different story starting today at 11 or 12 degrees in much of england and wales. and then through friday, that rain and hill snow continues to journey northwards across scotland. behind it, we get into a mix

of sunny spells and heavy, blustery showers turning quite windy through friday, particularly out towards the west. but temperatures will be climbing — still cold in the north of scotland, but for northern ireland, england and wales, 15 to 18 degrees. and then into the start of the weekend, this deep area of low pressure with lots of isobars squeezing together is set to pass to the west of the uk. now that is going to bring some very strong winds. we'll see rain clearing the north of scotland. clearing to a mix of sunny spells and showers, probably not too many showers — there will be a decent amount of dry weather around, but the winds are very brisk indeed. particularly for some of these western coasts, 60 mile per hour gusts or more. with those winds coming from the south, though, feeling pretty warm. could be the warmest day of the year so far, particularly in eastern england. highs of 20, maybe 21 degrees, not quite as warm on sunday, but temperatures still well up into the teens. some showers, some sunshine too.

this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines for you as newsday continues — straight after hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. we humans keep pushing the frontiers of bioscience. we now understand the molecular

biology that makes us who we are, but we're still figuring out how to use that knowledge. should we screen all human embryos for genetic abnormalities? should we root out mutations? could we be sleepwalking into a new era of eugenics? well, my guest is the ethicist, disability rights advocate and writer tom shakespeare, who also happens to live with a genetic condition, achondroplasia, that has restricted his growth. should we embrace difference rather than use science to root it out?