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as israel continues its bombardment of the territory. israel says it will allow two fuel trucks a day into gaza, after the un is forced to suspend aid deliveries to the strip. a funeral is held for a 19—year—old soldier taken hostage by hamas. israel says her body was found near al—shifa hospital. in other news, the uk prime minister denies "tinkering" with the rwanda asylum plan, after the home secretary he sacked said more radical action is needed to save the scheme. in sport — everton are docked ten points for violating premier league financial rules. the biggest sanction in the competition's history. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories,
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and checking out the truth behind them. aid agencies say — they've been forced to halt deliveries into gaza — because of fuel shortages and a communications shutdown. the un's biggest agency in gaza says, it's no longer able to bring in, or distribute aid. but israel's war cabinet, has now approved letting two fuel lorries a day into gaza, to help meet the needs of un agencies, after a request from the us. a funeral has been held for a 19 year—old soldier held hostage by hamas, whose body was found by israeli troops in a building near gaza's biggest hospital. on thursday, the military also discovered the body of a sixty—five—year—old hjostage. israel's prime minister has told cbs news that they found a hamas command centre at the site, but hasn't yet provided conclusive evidence. benjamin netanyahu also admitted that israel's efforts to minimise civilian casualties
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were "not successful". majdi fathi is a freelance journalist in gaza. she's been working with the bbc�*s yogita limaye on this special report, which contains distressing images from the start. monday in central gaza. tuesday. wednesday. thursday. airstrikes have continued to hit the strip this week, while israel conducts ground operations in the north. hundreds have been killed and injured. some of them from the barghouth family in deir al—balah. "we're being killed and no—one is doing anything about it," this man shouts. abid barghouth is still breathing, in critical condition. doctors scramble to treat the boy.
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on the floor by his bed, they check his father, subhi, for a heartbeat. they can't hear it. his family in shock, still finding out. .who's been rescued, who's survived and who hasn't, from 30 members. this is their youngest, injured, but not seriously. the barghouths had fled to deir al—balah for safety from zeitoun, in the north. a bit later, subhi's brother ali is taken to identify the bodies.
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four of the family have been killed. little abid didn't make it. "we thought we'd come to a safe place, but no—one is safe in gaza," ali says. abid, subhi, bilal and alla barghouth, four of thousands of gazans killed. "goodbye, my dear," subhi's mother says "you're with god now. you were such a good son." grief is one form of suffering in gaza. this is another. hundreds gather outside one of the few flour mills still running. the manager tries to pacify people. "we haven't eaten for two days," some in the crowd shout. translation: we've escaped death, but now are dying slowly _ because of a severe shortage of food, flour and basic needs. we are a family of eight. i burn discarded paper cups
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to keep my children warm. here, too, they're under the threat of bombardment. at the moment, no aid trucks are going in for gaza's 2.2 million. all but a tiny handful can't get out. yogita limaye, bbc news, jerusalem. for more on the situtation on the ground in gaza, i've been speaking with amir avivi, founder of the israel defence and security forum, and a former deputy commander of the israel defense forces gaza division. i started by asking him why israel is only allowing two trucks of fuel to enter gaza each day. well, you know, we are very concerned with fuel going to hamas, to generate all the underground actions that are using it. we know that hamas threatens society, even kills them, takes everything from them, including the food.
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we have no real way to really control this in the south so this is a concern and this is why we are very careful. we left a lot of food, water medicine going. fuel is a problem. it serves hamas for war. i'd make sure, but you have made arrangements for two lorries so you could make arrangement for more. you control most of the north now. if there is a will, there is a way, isn't there? we're not controlling the south. i said the north. it is not about the north. we are not talking about the north. we are talking about the south. and this is going to the south. we are not controlling this area. this is why we have a lot of concerns about how this humanitarian aid is going on. opening the border, and letting people who want to go out go out. this is the only place in the world
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where you have a humanitarian crisis, refugees and locked in a war zone. it is unprecedented. sure, but it is israel that is locking them in. it was israel that announced right at the start that there would be a siege with nothing letting out. gaza has a common border with egypt. egypt is locking them. egypt is not letting them go out. and the world is not doing anything about that nobody is asking the palestinians what they want. they certainly don't want to be, they certainly have said that they don't want to be pushed out of gaza into egypt. egypt certainly doesn't want that, but they do not want to be pushed out of gaza. here is my assessment. they are going to storm the egyptian border in an uncontrolled way, and they're going out in an uncontrolled way.
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this happened in the past, it might happen again when israel starts operating in the south because, again, nobody is asking them, nobody is caring about them. people want them locked in a war zone. this is not a safe environment for anybody. 12 million ukrainians left ukraine because they did not want to be in a war zone. nobody stopped them and nobody locked the border and prevented them from going out. the same in syria. why is this happening in gaza? so you're saying this is nothing to do israel. me ask what is happening at the al—shifa hospital. we saw those pictures released by the idf overnight. what is your view on what was actually found? so, actually, just before, i talk to one of the division commanders in charge
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of the operation on al—shifa. they encountered more than 50 terrorists. we saw huge amounts of munition. and then, going in, we found infrastructure under a carfull of explosives, inside the hospital, in the mri section. and now the idf is studying the underground infrastructure. it takes time. they said a robot inside, 15 metres underground until it encountered a door. a door that block the way. and now, really, opening all these doors inside and the ieds that were inside, and all of that, will take time but we did find underground infrastructure. you say that. we've seen the pictures and the extent of certainly the arms and what the idf have shown. someone from the idf said a couple of days ago that al—shifa may be the beating heart of the whole
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hamas organisation. certainly, from the pictures released so far, it doesn't look like that. it does look like that on the ground and we are finding huge amounts of weapons inside al—shifa and we've encountered dozens of terrorists defending al—shifa and iuds and al—shifa is a very big... the prime minister himself said there was no firefight at al—shifa so in terms of what you are describing... i want to tell you what we are seeing inside, 0k. i'm telling you what the prime minister said. i talked to the commander on the ground. we saw many, many weapons thrown on the ground, basically what is happening inside al—shifa is that, the terrorists had thrown the equipment on the ground. should and masquerading. this is what they are doing.
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live now to ramallah, in the west bank, where we can speak to dr sabri saidam, deputy secretary general of fatah's central committee. thank you for being here with us on bbc news. you are listening to that. what did you think when you heard that the view that all of those people gathered now in the south should cross over into egypt? goad should cross over into egypt? good evenin: , should cross over into egypt? good evening, matthew. _ should cross over into egypt? good evening, matthew. what _ should cross over into egypt? (13r>r>:c evening, matthew. what a load of garbage that is. i cannot believe that anyone would ever have the guts, so far, after 41 days of fighting, after 12,000 people losing their lives, 70% of them women and children, still come up with this argument and yetjustify it and then fight for it and then argue with you. i cannot believe it. why not be allow people to go back to their places. why not open channels of eight come in. israel is refusing to
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allow it and he says he is fearful of the lack of control but a few days ago nobody is taking control of material going in. not capturing anything landing in the hands of anyone. so this excuses nothing but leading toward straining the options for people to exist in southern gaza and pushing them, pushing them to the borders and asking them to break through, you know, the border lines. so that egypt would have to endure the mass exodus of palestinians. what a load of garbage. accepted has auietl been what a load of garbage. accepted has quietly been many — what a load of garbage. accepted has quietly been many peoples _ what a load of garbage. accepted has quietly been many peoples fears - what a load of garbage. accepted has quietly been many peoples fears that| quietly been many peoples fears that that perhaps might be the plan by israel to force gaza residents out of the gaza strip. when you hear it publicly articulated like that, even though israel has said ultimately, after the war, people can go back to
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their homes, do you fear that that perhaps is what the planners here? absolutely, i think spot on. you've just said it. if you want to deprive people of every basic means of existence. 0nce people of every basic means of existence. once a deprive people of any access to clean water, electricity and now, you know, gaza is almost amputated. there is no telecom whatsoever, there is no internet so you don't know what is happening there and absolutely, if you would now like to exert pressure. and they announced yesterday that they are gearing up for the second phase of operations, indeed they would like to intensify pressure so that they deprive people. pressure so that they deprive eo - le. ~ , pressure so that they deprive healer , pressure so that they deprive --eole.~ , , pressure so that they deprive --eole. _._ , pressure so that they deprive --eole. , , ., people. when they say people can go back, to people. when they say people can go back. to their— people. when they say people can go back, to their homes, _ people. when they say people can go back, to their homes, in _ people. when they say people can go back, to their homes, in the - people. when they say people can go back, to their homes, in the north, i back, to their homes, in the north, after the war, you don't believe that? , , , ., after the war, you don't believe that? ,, , f~ that? this brings me back to 1948 when they said — that? this brings me back to 1948 when they said to _ that? this brings me back to 1948 when they said to people - that? this brings me back to 1948 when they said to people once - that? this brings me back to 1948. when they said to people once they were displaced from the villages and towns that they can go back. and now 75 years down the line, everybody is
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homeless, everybody has been pushed out of the diaspora and pushed up to refugee camps are nothing as temporary as far as israel is concerned under nothing is credible as far as the occupation is concerned. they want to push people. they want to annex gaza and the displacement of people on their agenda. soon we will base something different than mass expulsion of forced expulsion. we will have so—called humanitarian expulsion so that they bring floating hospitals and people are asked to go with their loved ones to these hospitals and will never be allowed back. so i think this is a calculated effort on the part of israel that ought to be combated by the un and sort of intervened to stop such an idiotic idea. . r' intervened to stop such an idiotic idea. ., ,~' i. ., intervened to stop such an idiotic idea. ., , ., idea. let me ask you a separate question. _ idea. let me ask you a separate question, then, _ idea. let me ask you a separate question, then, in _ idea. let me ask you a separate question, then, in terms - idea. let me ask you a separate question, then, in terms of - idea. let me ask you a separate question, then, in terms of the | question, then, in terms of the international community. what, in your view, should they be doing now. because they've been pressing for a
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humanitarian pause. visual says, of course, the hostages have to be released first. i know that you are not hamas, quite the opposite. it would it help the situation, in terms of getting that pause, if hamas were to release the hostages they hold? in the cavity we don't want to get into this argument. what i want to say is any pulses are meaningless now because if you are saying to people you confess now that we will kill you tomorrow. it doesn't work this what is most important is the cessation of activities. it important is the cessation of activities-_ important is the cessation of activities-— important is the cessation of activities. , ., , activities. it is really saying, you know, activities. it is really saying, you know. we _ activities. it is really saying, you know, we would _ activities. it is really saying, you know, we would like _ activities. it is really saying, you know, we would like to, - activities. it is really saying, you know, we would like to, you - activities. it is really saying, you i know, we would like to, you know, activities. it is really saying, you - know, we would like to, you know, we will not entertain the idea of humanitarian pauses and the international community is pressing for humanitarian are saying that israel has a right to defend itself and then asking the israeli army to be careful with dealing with the civilians. i cannot believe that either. you know, after 20,000
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people and netanyahu saying to the world community that is not successful. his army was not successful. his army was not successful in what he called, you know, taking care of civilians. the world would still allow him and say to the israelis you have to be careful dealing with civilians. not at all. the international community should be saying to israel, enough is enough. should be saying to israel, enough is enou:h. �* . . is enough. ben'amin netanyahu went on to say that — is enough. benjamin netanyahu went on to say that it _ is enough. benjamin netanyahu went on to say that it was _ is enough. benjamin netanyahu went on to say that it was hamas's - is enough. benjamin netanyahu went on to say that it was hamas's fault. l on to say that it was hamas's fault. i don't want to get trapped in that argument because a vanilla time for one more question which is what is going on in the west bank because more deaths there. that is where you are. how worried are you of this conflict spilling over because we have had more deaths now anything five weeks, then we have had in the past nine months.— past nine months. absolutely. i am suer past nine months. absolutely. i am super worried- _ past nine months. absolutely. i am super worried. i _ past nine months. absolutely. i am super worried. i think— past nine months. absolutely. i am super worried. i think is _ past nine months. absolutely. i am super worried. i think is really - super worried. i think is really pushing things to the brink of yet another collapse. this time in the west bank. and things will escalate
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and definitely so that every palestinian is believing that israel is not only going to displaced palestinians in gaza but also the west bank and annex the west bank and gaza as well. we west bank and annex the west bank and gaza as well.— and gaza as well. we have to leave it there but — and gaza as well. we have to leave it there but thanks _ and gaza as well. we have to leave it there but thanks very _ and gaza as well. we have to leave it there but thanks very much - and gaza as well. we have to leave it there but thanks very much for l it there but thanks very much for your time, thanks forjoining us live. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. two 12—year—old boys have been remanded into youth custody after being charged with the murder of a 19—year—old man in wolverhampton. the 19—year—old was stabbed on playing fields near a school in east park on monday. the boys — who appeared at birmingham magistrates' court — cannot be named due to their age. a sheffield wednesday supporter who taunted rival fans by mocking the death of mascot bradley lowery has been given a twelve—week suspended prison sentence. dale houghton was seen laughing as he held up an image of the six—year—old at a match against sunderland — the team bradley supported before
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he died of cancer in 2017. the government says an £8 billion fund will be made available to councils in england over the next decade to help tackle potholes. the transport secretary, mark harper, said motorists would immediately see improvements in road conditions. councils, on the other hand, say the cost of repairing local roads is closer to £14 billion. you're live with bbc news. there's images released by the idf of the tunnels and the weapons that they say they found at the al—shifa hospital. they say they found at the al—shifa hospital. bbc verify has been taking a closer look at videos released by the idf claiming to show a hamas military presence at the shifa hospital — the largest hospital in gaza. daniele palumbo reports.
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since taking control of al—shifa hospital earlier this week the israeli military has been under pressure to provide evidence to support its claim that it was hamas command and control. and it has released video evidence to support its case. we want to show you when the hospital compound, this map shows the hospital entrance. this building is the mri unit. yesterday, the idf shared a video claiming to show weapons inside this building. you can see the soldier here point out the two bags on the floor. the two bags which contain weapons. we know the location. it was later visited by a bbc team escorted by the idf. the idf published two more videos claiming to show evidence of the hospital being used military purposes by hamas. let's look at them together. the first video here shows that the idf claim that they
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have found the entrance of a hamas tunnel network beneath the hospital. we can see it but without further independent images we cannot say anything about its purposes. but we do know it is the al—shifa hospital because in the video we can see in spot features matching known images of the building of the hospital. and this place is actually located right here. just behind the intensive care unit building. a second video shed by the israeli forces show what they claim to have found on hospital premises. so we can see this video here and as soon as the soldier is passing in front of the camera, we can see what happened laid out on the ground and these are guns, grenade launchers and other military equipment. the idf says that all
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this equipment was found inside this vehicle. we know this video was taken inside the hospital grounds because further on, the area excavated is also shown. and, again, we can see the same buildings and we can point this out in the main map of the hospital premises with just behind intensive care units again. were hoping to shed light on these scenes are more widely across gaza but when the internet communication: the severely disrupted, this is proving to be very difficult. we will continue to monitor the situation. we will continue to monitor the situation. live now to seth frantzman, a middle east author and analyst, and an adjunct fellow at the think tank, the foundation for defence of democracies. thanks forjoining us here on the programme. let's take a step back from everything we have been seeing over the last few days to look at the broader israeli strategy. your assessment of where we are almost six weeks in?— assessment of where we are almost six weeks in? well, israel has spent several weeks _
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six weeks in? well, israel has spent several weeks conducting _ six weeks in? well, israel has spent several weeks conducting an - six weeks in? well, israel has spent several weeks conducting an air- several weeks conducting an air campaign operation similar to what the united states did in iraq in the first gulf war in the 90s and then worked on a ground offensive which is kind of cut the gaza strip into and now they've moved around so that the two sides of the pincer movement has taken gaza harbour, west of gaza city. they basically taken all the suburban areas around gaza city. the question now is whether or not they will proceed into a densely part of gaza city of, as we have heard, they will concentrate. they've not found most of the hamas of leadership. there are 240 hostages, two bodies recovered today. and al—shifa hospital investigation to be ongoing so there is a lot of questions about, you know, what comes next foot of the three israeli divisions at next operating and they've certainly defeated most of the fighters they run into. they have
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said they're entering now a new phase. i guess the question is where that phase goes. phase. i guess the question is where that phase goes-— phase. i guess the question is where that phase goes. you've talked about the density of — that phase goes. you've talked about the density of the _ that phase goes. you've talked about the density of the population - that phase goes. you've talked about the density of the population right. the density of the population right in the centre of gaza city. i mean, the damage across the north of gaza is colossal. we have seen the pictures put up even had benjamin netanyahu saying that interview that they have not been as successful minimising civilian casualties. in terms of the future of the operation, is there anything different they can actually do to avoid just more casualties upon casualties? i avoid just more casualties upon casualties?— casualties? i think we look, actually. — casualties? i think we look, actually. the _ casualties? i think we look, actually, the first _ casualties? i think we look, actually, the first month . casualties? i think we look, actually, the first month of| casualties? i think we look, i actually, the first month of the campaign, the number of casualties were higher in the first few weeks. now they have encouraged most of the people in northern gaza to leave the south. i think a lot of them have left and lots of the neighbourhoods,
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what we are seeing is infantry and armoured units moving very slowly street by street backed up with artillery and air force. i was down in the south this week actually come up in the south this week actually come up with an artillery unit they have a lot of intelligence they use in what you imagine smartphones and computers and everything to plot what is happening, to try to keep track of where civilians are. they do a lot of work to to avoid civilian casualties and i think that is easier once they're actually close in on the ground. they tried to prevent any friction with civilians and they try to make sure, also, soldiers don't have much fiction with enemy forces. what you antici ate fiction with enemy forces. what you anticipate in — fiction with enemy forces. what you anticipate in terms _ fiction with enemy forces. what you anticipate in terms of, _ fiction with enemy forces. what you anticipate in terms of, take - fiction with enemy forces. what you anticipate in terms of, take a - fiction with enemy forces. what you anticipate in terms of, take a sip . anticipate in terms of, take a sip of water and i will ask your question, what you anticipate in terms of the military strategy in the south—west market and if you heard ourformer idf commander saying that he anticipated moving further but not necessarily allowing people back to the north because their operations continue even there. so how do you see it in terms
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of progressing in the south where all those people now are? it would seem that that _ all those people now are? it would seem that that would _ all those people now are? it would seem that that would be _ all those people now are? it would seem that that would be a - all those people now are? it would seem that that would be a very - seem that that would be a very difficult hurdle considering the fact that the idf is preferred not to allow or have civilians in their rear. what i mean is if you can compare it to the 2003 invasion of iraq us forcesjust compare it to the 2003 invasion of iraq us forces just drove through iraqi cities and civilians were filled traded through, there wasn't a question whether or not civilians would just stay on. the correct campaign has been to move them out and what is left would be hamas. it would seem to be difficult in terms of then going into the south as well. of course, israel's stated goals is that they want all of the hostages back and they want to eliminate the ms leadership. i'd make the you have just said, though, is potentially, quite a few fighters may have gone south and the same is true of hostages. 0f
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may have gone south and the same is true of hostages. of the find that out there to be bearded very difficult then because we've already started to see some of the dosages being recovered and the feeling that any got away would be problematic for the public. i think it is clear israel tried to move cautiously and so the in that mean sometimes people do get away because if you're not going to do some sort of helicopter raid into the middle of a place to try to capture people like the united states did in somalia in the 90s then you have... so then going into the south is going to be a very difficult issue and it is not clear to me how they would facilitate the people back to the north and even if thatis people back to the north and even if that is what the goal will be. may be the goal is just down what is left and see if they can find, there is probably some hamas leaders and hostages are there because they found bodies next to al—shifa hospital said there are some hostages there. i'd make a final quick question. in terms of hamas's tactic so far, is it the classic
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guerrilla tactics, they appear from where it it is my fight for a bit and then disappear? i think, interestingly enough, hamas tried to actually fight it out from the first week or so. israel eliminated a lot of anti—tank rocket fire teams and we saw that because there was some anti—tank fire that destroyed at least one so actually, hamas tried to resist for a while and tried to fight and i think they were vanquished under immense fire power and it is unclear to me how many fighters they actually had in the north that were able to continue. we have to leave it there but thank you so much for your time and thanks for that assessment. thank you. we are going to take a short break. and we are back we had more on the escalating situation in the west bank. don't go away. you're watching bbc news. hello there. for most of you, this afternoon is looking absolutely glorious.
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we've got blue skies across the board, really. after a chilly start to the day, it's an afternoon for getting out and about and making the most of these spectacular autumn colours that we have. do make the most of today's sunshine and clear skies because, lurking to our west, we've got an area of low pressure that's going to be bringing wet and windy weather our way into the weekend. so sunny for most of us this afternoon. you will notice a bit of high cloud running in ahead of the next weather system into northern ireland, wales and south—west england, just making the sunshine a little on the hazy side. for the most part, temperatures are close to average, but a little bit below average in northern scotland where it will be quite a cool afternoon for november. heading into this evening and overnight, the rain is going to move in pretty quickly, along with strengthening gusts of wind, particularly across western areas. the winds turn to a south—westerly direction, so it will be turning increasingly mild through the night, with temperatures finishing off the night at around 14 degrees in plymouth. wet and windy weather around this weekend, courtesy of this area of low pressure. south—westerly winds
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across the country will be bringing in some much milder weather conditions, so temperatures will be quite a long way above the november average, but those winds will be bringing plenty of rain around, as well. we're going to get around 15 to perhaps 30 millimetres of rain across the south—west of england. it's not a huge amount, to be honest, however, given that this november we've already had more rainfall than average across this part of the world, that extra rain could bring some localised flooding issues. the rain will be quite extensive. quite windy for a time across western scotland, gusts of wind of around 45mph to 55mph, but quite a blustery day for many of you. those south—westerly winds will be bringing milder weather, so temperatures across the board a lot higher than those of friday, about 12 to 16 degrees for most. the centre of low pressure crosses scotland on sunday. not that windy here. we've got more rain to come for northern ireland, northern england, north wales. stronger winds heading into southern wales and south—west england, where gusts of wind are likely to run into the 40s or even 50s of miles—an—hour
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around coastal areas. it continues to be pretty mild. more rain to come on monday. for the weekend there will be a quieter spell of weather. it's often going to be quite windy, though. rain never far away from northern ireland and scotland. then just hints that the weather could get a bit colder into the following weekend.

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