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as as the conflict continues. the sun sets israeli troop pushed as the sun sets israeli troops pushed further into gaza city. questions over the future of britain's home secretary, who's accused the metropolitan police of �*double standards' when it comes to policing protests. in this country politicians do not have day—to—day direct control over the police. they can't tell people who to arrest, they can't tell what protests must be policed and in what manner. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, thousands of palestinians have been fleeing from the north of the gaza strip — after the israeli army, gave them a six—hour window to head south along the main road. families with young children and babies are carrying what they can — some making the journey in carts pulled by donkeys. the israeli army spokesman said, an estimated 50,000 gazans fled south on wednesday.
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heavy, close quarters fighting is continuing between israeli forces and hamas militants, in the ruins of gaza city, with battles said to be nearing the al quds hospital. meanwhile in the west bank, the palestinian authority says, ten palestinians have been killed and at least 20 wounded, during an israeli army raid onjenin refugee camp. israel's military said it was conducting counter—terrorism raids injenin, but gave no further details. more than 170 palestinians are reported to have been killed by israeli forces in the occupied west bank, since the attack by hamas on israel on october the seventh. diplomatically, delegates at an international conference in paris hosted by emmanuel macron, have made repeated calls for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the norwegian refugee council described the israeli siege of gaza as a �*collective punishment�*.
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the head of the aid agency, msf, called the israeli—designated safe zones in southern gaza — fake zones. those are the key planks of the war going on. straight to southern israel and my colleague mark lowen. thank you very much indeed. the sun has set now over gaza as israeli troops continue their push deep into gaza city, fighting close quarter battles with hamas, who are firing rocket propelled grenades against israeli forces. we have updated figures in the military casualties from israel so far. it says that 3a of its soldiers have dry in this conflict and some updated statistics from the palestinian side from the hamas run health ministry that now says more than 10,800 people have been killed in gaza since the
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conflict began, 40% of them children. the un estimates 1.5 million have now been displaced since the war began more than a month ago. here's our middle east correspondent yolande knell with the latest. the exodus continues, on foot, with donkeys or using their last drops of fuel, gazans from the north are arriving in the south of the strip again today after israel's military opened up the road. israel's fire power is on display in the very north. while gun battles still rage, it says it is making progress in its mission to depose hamas but the islamist group has already lost control here. the bbc was among the media giving a close—up view of the fighting behind israeli lines. it is not an operation, it's a war. it's going to last time, it will take us time. until hamas no longer exists. at the biggest hospital in gaza in its biggest city, they are feeling
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the israeli forces close in and rushing to deal with the wounded. growing hardship here are pushing more residents to flee. but this is where they have been told to move to and it's also seeing deadly air strikes. nowhere feels safe in gaza, life is upended. thousands are now living under canvas, including this family, who came south with their cats after their home was bombed. it is hard to contemplate the future. translation: all the luxury of life that we had _ is gone. there is no pleasure any more. we do our laundry by hand, we go and fetch water. we are having trouble everywhere we go and there no cleanliness. meanwhile, more close quarters fighting and destruction. this was the occupied west bank today after israel killed palestinians in what it called a counterterrorism raid. as the war in gaza reaches a critical point, the whole region
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remained on edge. yolande knell, bbc news, jerusalem. the latest on the ground in gaza. meanwhile the israeli forces reopened that the road again today for a window of several hours for civilians to evacuate south from the northern side of gaza as israel pushes into gaza city. they are encouraging civilians take that road south. we will get figures later today from the israeli side as to how many people they believe have taken that road south and evacuated to the southern part of the gaza strip which they say is relatively safer, because nowhere in gaza seem safer, because nowhere in gaza seem safer these days. 0ur gaza correspondent rushdi abualoufjoined me earlier from khan younis, in the south of the strip. i asked if he's seeing more people moving into that area.
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thousands of people arrived today since the opening hour was a little bit biggerfrom nine o'clock since the opening hour was a little bit bigger from nine o'clock until four o'clock, but this journey is really miserable for the people. i met a couple of them today in this camp. people were walking for about three or four kilometres because there is no access for cars or any sort of transportation so the people have to walk. a father was carrying his son over his shoulder in the heat of the sun. it is unusual here in gaza in november, and people under the sun were walking and carrying their kids and some of their belongings and they made this journey south, because of the fighting in gaza city is really intensifying, a very serious fight
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near the al quds hospital, it is a neighbourhood in the south—west of gaza. the tents advanced very close to the hospital and very few people remain in the area and communication is really difficult. most of the buildings around that neighbourhood were from the beginning of the israeli attack on gaza following the hamas close border attack. this area was heavily bombed from the air for days and now it has been bombed from sea artillery units. the map i saw showing hundreds of targets. this area is considered where most of the wealthy people live. it is quite in your area that was built 25 years ago. most of the buildings are
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7—storey buildings like compounds in the area. most of the building were either completely flattened to the ground or great damage to the building. the fighting also identified near beach camp, the only refugee camp in gaza city with about 70,000 people living in the camp. most of the people left but many were still there and many bodies are under the houses according to the ministry here. fighting in that direction is north, west of gazza. —— gaza. also, tanks are advancing from another position which is south of the city so now most of the tents are surrounding a significant part of gazza city and the advancing hard into the al quds hospital where about 111,000 people are using the hospital is shelter as well as 100
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patients. yesterday the hospital said they can't move people, they can't move patients from the hospital because there is no road around that that is not damaged. the situation on the ground in southern gaza. many of the people fleeing south are trying to reach more humanitarian aid. the israeli defence forces say there have been tactical local policies in their words, they put twitter, saying there would be these pauses in order for people to reach aides about the evacuation south is dramatic and it is being watched also by our diplomatic correspondent paul adams whojoins us diplomatic correspondent paul adams who joins us live from jerusalem. the mass movement soused is enormous but they are reaching areas designated unofficially as safer areas but relatively so because no position in gaza is completely safe. what strikes you about those pictures?
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what strikes you about those ictures? ., ,., , pictures? one thing about safety, even though _ pictures? one thing about safety, even though these _ pictures? one thing about safety, even though these people - pictures? one thing about safety, even though these people who i pictures? one thing about safety, | even though these people who are moving south believe they are going to a safer area, there is actually only one place where israelis have said it is completely safe and that is an area down by the mediterranean sea right at the southern end of the gaza strip, quite a small area, and it is where israelis say that the aid that comes overly rafah crossing can be effectively distributed. they are not saying that anywhere in the is safe, but as for the movement. i have been looking at the pictures today as we all have. absolutely huge numbers of people on the move, thousands are perhaps tens of thousands are perhaps tens of thousands on the move and this is the third day we have seen this, the largest movement since the start of this current war in gaza. it is worth emphasising that no previous israeli operation in gaza, and there have been many, has ever triggered a
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mass exodus like this. for the palestinians, this has the most profound, deepest historical resonances because most of those people are descended from refugees, people are descended from refugees, people who fled or were driven from their homes when israel came into being in 19118. they have lived in the gaza strip ever since and now they are on the move once more and many of them will be wondering, despite assurances this is temporary, will they be able to go back to their homes? that is why what we are seeing at the moment for palestinians is so profoundly painful. palestinians is so profoundly ainful. . ., , palestinians is so profoundly ainful. . ., ., painful. echoes of what the palestinians _ painful. echoes of what the palestinians call _ painful. echoes of what the palestinians call the - painful. echoes of what the | palestinians call the naqba, painful. echoes of what the - palestinians call the naqba, when tens of thousands were driven from their homes by the creation of the state of israel. another line on the story today because the focus has been on gaza but also today on an escalation in violence in the
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occupied west bank, the territory not ruled by hamas but by its opponent, where there has been increased violence today and israeli raids, tells what has been happening today. the raids, tells what has been happening toda . , ., raids, tells what has been happening toda. , ., , ., today. the focus today has been on jenin which — today. the focus today has been on jenin which is _ today. the focus today has been on jenin which is an _ today. the focus today has been on jenin which is an area _ today. the focus today has been on jenin which is an area with - today. the focus today has been on jenin which is an area with another| jenin which is an area with another refugee camp on the west bank, an area that previously a few months ago there was a major israeli raid aimed at some of the militants who control the refugee camp. these are people who are not necessarily allied to hamas or any of the other palestinian factions, they are a local militia group, pretty powerful and influential and very well armed. this is part of a pattern we have seen over the past month or so, which is the israelis conducting major military incursions into palestinian towns and refugee camps on the west bank, searching for and arresting and in some cases killing palestinian militants. some of those
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people from hamas but by no means all of them. the violence we have seenin all of them. the violence we have seen in the west bank over the past month is the worse the violence there for a very long time. this year has been one of the worst years for violence in the west bank in a very long time and it is partly the result of the action of the israeli military on these raids, but also a result of the actions ofjewish settlers who are living in the west bankin settlers who are living in the west bank in defiance of international law, and who are themselves taking the law into their own hands, attacking palestinians, killing some and forcing others from their homes. the situation in the west bank is incredibly volatile and has been made a whole lot worse by events in the gaza. . ~ ., , the gaza. paul adams live in jerusalem. _ the gaza. paul adams live in jerusalem, thank _ the gaza. paul adams live in jerusalem, thank you - the gaza. paul adams live in jerusalem, thank you very . the gaza. paul adams live in - jerusalem, thank you very much, real fears of the conflict and of it escalating to other parts of this region. the sun has set over gaza but knight brings no respite from
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the continued military offensive by israel, i can still hear artillery in the distance and also air strikes over gazza city as well. we will continue to bring you all the latest developments from inside gaza from here in israel and the wider region back from the team here in southern israel, i hand you back to london. to stay with us because in a moment or two we will talk to the former head of the aerial security council on bbc news. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. a 33—year—old man has been found guilty of murdering schoolteacher ashling murphy in ireland last year. this the central criminal court in dublin found jozef puska fatally assaulted ms murphy while she was exercising on a canal path in tullamore. puska was found guilty following three weeks of evidence. the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high as new figures show that more than a million patients are on more than one waiting list.
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the overall waiting list hit a new high of 7.7 million at the end of september. the overall waiting list is at its highest point since records began in august 2007 the shell oil company is suing the environmental group greenpeace, after activists climbed aboard a production platform being towed to the north sea. greenpeace says it has been asked to pay more than $2 million. though is just a few of the stories making the headlines here in the uk. you're live with bbc news. live now to uzi dayan, the former head of israel's national security council, and the former idf deputy chief of staff. thank you so much for being on bbc news with others. why don't you start by giving me your assessment
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of the israeli military operation so far. ~ . . , of the israeli military operation so far. ~ . ., , ., far. we are in a very important moment. _ far. we are in a very important moment. it — far. we are in a very important moment, it is _ far. we are in a very important moment, it is a _ far. we are in a very important moment, it is a critical - far. we are in a very important moment, it is a critical one, i moment, it is a critical one, because after dealing with the terrorists in our area, after the attack on saturday the 7th of october, wejust attack on saturday the 7th of october, we just entered the gaza strip and the main goal now is to take over gaza. it has just started. we are in a stage of surrounding everything in gaza, continuing to attack the terror organisation, hamas. we let the people in gaza to
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get free from the position of the human shields and let them go freely to a place in the centre of the gaza strip. this is the most critical moment of this war, because we aim to take over and to take down hamas. in order to wind, they can only survive because a lot of casualties on the first day, two times more than we got in all of the six—day war, so right now we aim to take down hamas, to bring them down, and if you ask what you mean by bring down, we have to make it a regime
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like two british authors i would say berlin 19115. in like two british authors i would say berlin 1945. , ., like two british authors i would say berlin 1945-— berlin 1945. in terms of how you actually do _ berlin 1945. in terms of how you actually do it. — berlin 1945. in terms of how you actually do it, the _ berlin 1945. in terms of how you actually do it, the practicalities, | actually do it, the practicalities, your forces are in gaza city. how do your forces are in gaza city. how do you think they are likely to approach dealing with the vast tunnel network? can you blow those up tunnel network? can you blow those up or do you actually have to go in and fight? we up or do you actually have to go in and firht? ~ ., ., ., up or do you actually have to go in and firht? ., ., ., , , and fight? we have to go in because we don't know _ and fight? we have to go in because we don't know exactly _ and fight? we have to go in because we don't know exactly where - and fight? we have to go in because we don't know exactly where all- and fight? we have to go in because we don't know exactly where all the| we don't know exactly where all the bunkers and tunnels are, and as i said, hamas, in orderto bunkers and tunnels are, and as i said, hamas, in order to wind the warfrom its point of said, hamas, in order to wind the war from its point of view, said, hamas, in order to wind the warfrom its point of view, it doesn't care what the people in gaza as much as we do, but it is ok, if they survive it is kind of a victory for the hamas leaders. bud they survive it is kind of a victory for the hamas leaders.— they survive it is kind of a victory for the hamas leaders. and in terms ofthat for the hamas leaders. and in terms of that approach. — for the hamas leaders. and in terms of that approach, do _ for the hamas leaders. and in terms of that approach, do you _ for the hamas leaders. and in terms of that approach, do you think- for the hamas leaders. and in terms of that approach, do you think there | of that approach, do you think there is likely to be intelligence of
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where the hostages are because potentially they too could be in this tunnel network? 50 potentially they too could be in this tunnel network?— this tunnel network? so far we didn't get _ this tunnel network? so far we didn't get signs _ this tunnel network? so far we didn't get signs of _ this tunnel network? so far we didn't get signs of life, - this tunnel network? so far we didn't get signs of life, hamas| didn't get signs of life, hamas didn't get signs of life, hamas didn't tell us, those people, babies and soldiers, i guess they are not in the same place, so as we went more into gaza we will be able also to free them. but more into gaza we will be able also to free them-— to free them. but do you think at the moment— to free them. but do you think at the moment those _ to free them. but do you think at the moment those soldiers - to free them. but do you think at the moment those soldiers are i to free them. but do you think at - the moment those soldiers are going in blind in terms of having any knowledge potentially where they might be? we knowledge potentially where they miaht be? ~ ., knowledge potentially where they miaht be? ., ~ ., knowledge potentially where they miaht be? ~ ., ~ ., ., might be? we have some knowledge and once we know — might be? we have some knowledge and once we know where _ might be? we have some knowledge and once we know where the _ might be? we have some knowledge and once we know where the place _ might be? we have some knowledge and once we know where the place is - might be? we have some knowledge and once we know where the place is we - once we know where the place is we can plan immediately a kind of
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special forces raids on this place. but they can move them from one place to another and the actually already have. we have to know, we have to get a sign of all. we should see them. if not we don't understand.— see them. if not we don't understand. talking about intelligence, _ understand. talking about intelligence, we _ understand. talking about intelligence, we are - understand. talking about - intelligence, we are constantly told the idf has a rigorous intelligence and protocols before any attacks, identifying hamas targets. i assume therefore there must also be intelligence about the numbers of civilians in that locality who potentially will be killed in any of those attacks. is that part of the
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assessment each time before an attack? it assessment each time before an attack? , ., , , ., attack? it is of course but what we are t in: attack? it is of course but what we are trying to _ attack? it is of course but what we are trying to do — attack? it is of course but what we are trying to do is _ attack? it is of course but what we are trying to do is to _ attack? it is of course but what we are trying to do is to let _ attack? it is of course but what we are trying to do is to let the - are trying to do is to let the people go and refuse them becoming human shields. it is how hamas is working. i also want to mention that the people in gaza actually elected hamas on the last election in gaza because we left gaza in 2005... but because we left gaza in 2005. .. but ou're not because we left gaza in 2005... but you're not suggesting that they therefore are legitimate of any attack simply because in the election way back they may have elected hamas? you are not suggesting that? i elected hamas? you are not suggesting that?— elected hamas? you are not suggesting that? elected hamas? you are not su: arestin that? . ., , ., suggesting that? i am not but i do sa the suggesting that? i am not but i do say they should — suggesting that? i am not but i do say they should start _ suggesting that? i am not but i do say they should start to _ suggesting that? i am not but i do say they should start to think- suggesting that? i am not but i do | say they should start to think about their lives and their family and we
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offer them a way to do it. if they prefer to remain as a human shield, it is very dangerous for them. we are making everything possible in doing it, unlike hamas, who as you know on the 7th of october didn't think actually of the civilians. i am sure no one opts to be a human shield. in terms of your brother tactics, well the tactics be the same once this has been completed in the north? are you are effectively going to try to do the same, just move people in the south to continue those operations as well? we move people in the south to continue those operations as well?— those operations as well? we let them first of— those operations as well? we let them first of all— those operations as well? we let them first of all move _ those operations as well? we let them first of all move from - those operations as well? we let them first of all move from the l them first of all move from the north to the centre of gaza, by the end of this war we have to get control on all of the gaza strip and especially on the border between gaza and egypt. this is actually the
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place where hamas gathered all those rockets, etc, and those hills and we are not going to let them continue and regain power in gaza. just are not going to let them continue and regain power in gaza.- and regain power in gaza. just a final thought. — and regain power in gaza. just a final thought, do _ and regain power in gaza. just a final thought, do you _ and regain power in gaza. just a final thought, do you think - and regain power in gaza. just a final thought, do you think you | final thought, do you think you actually have a narrower window than perhaps some in the government may think in terms of before you get to that moment where the international community forces israel to stop, they watch the numbers and pictures and the numbers of casualties rise in sea to the israeli government enough, do you think that window is actually quite narrow before you get to that moment? the international countries are very important for us, including
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washington and london and berlin. we have also an open credit with israelis. israelis are very concerned at the price of terror attacks and the war and asked often the government how many casualties there are going to be, etc. i think there are going to be, etc. i think the israelis are right now in a mood of saying, go chase them, enough is enough. of saying, go chase them, enough is enou:h. ., ~ of saying, go chase them, enough is enou:h. ., ,, i. of saying, go chase them, enough is enou:h. ., ~' ,, , of saying, go chase them, enough is enou:h. ., ~ ,, , . of saying, go chase them, enough is enou:h. ., ~ , . ., enough. thank you very much for takin: enough. thank you very much for taking time _ enough. thank you very much for taking time to — enough. thank you very much for taking time to talk _ enough. thank you very much for taking time to talk to _ enough. thank you very much for taking time to talk to us - enough. thank you very much for taking time to talk to us here - enough. thank you very much for taking time to talk to us here at. taking time to talk to us here at bbc news, thank you. let's turn from that to jordan. live now to jordan to speak to juliette touma, unrwa director of communications. the agency that is looking after so
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many of those palestinians on the ground. welcome once again to the programme. give me your latest assessment of what it is like on the ground, what it is like for all of those people we are seeing in the north and the south.— north and the south. thanks for havin: north and the south. thanks for having me. _ north and the south. thanks for having me, matthew. _ north and the south. thanks for having me, matthew. since - north and the south. thanks for having me, matthew. since we| north and the south. thanks for- having me, matthew. since we have last spoken, the situation has gotten far, far worse. we are now hosting 720,000 people across the gaza strip in 150 unrwa shelters. 99 of our colleagues have been killed in gaza in the past one month alone. we do not have the supplies, we have the same issue with fuel shortages, we are really at the bottom of the barrel. ., ., ., , ., . barrel. you said to our producer you have never — barrel. you said to our producer you have never seen _ barrel. you said to our producer you have never seen gaza _ barrel. you said to our producer you have never seen gaza in _ barrel. you said to our producer you have never seen gaza in such -
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barrel. you said to our producer you have never seen gaza in such a - have never seen gaza in such a desperate situation. it is interesting, israel's defence ministry on tuesday said there is no lack of food, fuel and water and humanitarian supplies in gaza. they say they are monitoring the situation every day.- say they are monitoring the situation every day. say they are monitoring the situation eve da . ~ . ., ~ ., situation every day. what we do know from our team on _ situation every day. what we do know from our team on the _ situation every day. what we do know from our team on the ground - situation every day. what we do know from our team on the ground and - situation every day. what we do know| from our team on the ground and bear in mind we are the largest humanitarian organisation working in gaza, our commissioner general was just in gaza a few days ago and he told us all really sad and moving stories of little children coming to him and all they were asking for was a piece of bread or a drink of water and this is in a un shelter where we are supposed to help those who have sought shelter under our roof and under ourflag, but we sought shelter under our roof and under our flag, but we are not able to provide under do the very minimum as much as we would want to because we don't have the supplies or the means fuel. 50
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we don't have the supplies or the means fuel-— means fuel. so israel is simply wron: means fuel. so israel is simply wrong when — means fuel. so israel is simply wrong when they _ means fuel. so israel is simply wrong when they say _ means fuel. so israel is simply wrong when they say there - means fuel. so israel is simply wrong when they say there is l means fuel. so israel is simply. wrong when they say there is no means fuel. so israel is simply - wrong when they say there is no lack of food, water and supplies? that is simply not the case you are seeing on the ground every day? it is simply not the case you are seeing on the ground every day?- on the ground every day? it is not the time to _ on the ground every day? it is not the time to do _ on the ground every day? it is not the time to do tit-for-tat, - on the ground every day? it is not the time to do tit-for-tat, i - on the ground every day? it is not the time to do tit-for-tat, i am i the time to do tit—for—tat, i am here to give you the facts as the voice of the largest humanitarian agency. what we do know is that even before this war began, 1.2 million people relied on food assistance from unrwa alone. the level of poverty is one of the highest in this region, same with unemployment, and this war has made an already very bad situation far, far worse. just briefly, what can you actually do, what are you able to achieve at the moment? that do, what are you able to achieve at the moment?— do, what are you able to achieve at the moment? at the moment we are workin: to the moment? at the moment we are working to provide _ the moment? at the moment we are working to provide assistance - the moment? at the moment we are working to provide assistance as - working to provide assistance as much as possible, but to do that we need two things. we need more supplies and fuel to come on, because we have not had fuel for more than one month now and we need
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a humanitarian ceasefire.— a humanitarian ceasefire. thanks so much for speaking _ a humanitarian ceasefire. thanks so much for speaking to _ a humanitarian ceasefire. thanks so much for speaking to us _ a humanitarian ceasefire. thanks so much for speaking to us once - a humanitarian ceasefire. thanks so much for speaking to us once again | much for speaking to us once again from jordan. that is the latest on the military situation on the ground, on the humanitarian situation on the ground. we will be backin situation on the ground. we will be back in the region with our team and just a moment or two, don't go away. it has turned into a classic sunshine and showers stay although the showers have been quite plentiful. you can see on our earlier satellite image all of these shower clouds pushing in from the atlantic, all driven by an area of low pressure, the centre of which shows up clearly as a coral of cloud to the west of the uk. for the rest of the day showers focused on spots exposed to the wind, strong when across parts of south wales and the channel islands. not as many showers in eastern england or northern scotland and as we head through the
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evening, we will see further showers, particularly across northern and eastern coasts and then a clutch of heavy showers moving across wales down towards the south—west of england with a strengthening wind. the further north you are in northern england and northern ireland and particularly scotland, a touch of frost and some fog. wind is light. to the south—west of our area of low pressure the isobars squeezed together. strong winds and gales perhaps in parts of south england and the channel islands through early morning. heavy downpours moving out of wales down into southern counties of england and tending to swing away south eastwards through the day. another sunshine and showers stay but this team focused across the north coast of northern ireland, may be done north wales and north—west england, eastern coasts of england and persistent rain could push into the of scotland later. temperature between 7—12. friday night the area of low pressure continues move eastwards and notice the isobars
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opening out, this is a slice of drier and calmer weather, a touch of frost for some of us on saturday morning, could be fog patches, some are slow to clear especially across parts of scotland at the odd shower to the north—east in most places dry with some spells of sunshine for armistice day, the temperature 6—11. and to remember on sunday, a bit of uncertainty about the timing of these weather fronts pushing uncertainty about the timing of these weatherfronts pushing in uncertainty about the timing of these weather fronts pushing in from these weather fronts pushing in from the atlantic, further north and east it will be a murky start with borgen places and some could be slow to clear. but a decent chance of dry weather and further south and west weather and further south and west we see outbreaks of rain pushing in from the atlantic but it will start to turn milder in the south—west.

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