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tv   The Context with Christian Fraser  BBC News  March 8, 2023 9:00pm-10:01pm GMT

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hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. the un's secretary general heads to ukraine to secure a crucial grain deal that could have major implications for the global food crisis. the deal with russia that allows ukraine to export its grain must be renewed by 18 march, but there's concern the kremlin will refuse to renew it. thousands are on the streets of georgia, for the second night running, protesting against a new law that could derail the country's aspirations to join the eu. and the bbc�*s gary lineker says he will continue to speak out for those with no voice, after his criticisms tonight with the context — the independent trade economist rebecca harding, and emmy—nominated journalist caroline modarressy—tehrani.
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welcome to the programme. the un secretary—general, antonio guterres, has been in kyiv today hoping to shore up a deal struck that was between ukraine and russia in the summer to allow for the export of grain from both countries. the agreement, which was brokered in turkey and is overseen by the un, must be renewed by 18 march, but there's concern, moscow will refuse to renew it. the deal also aimed to facilitate the export of "russian" food and fertilisers. moscow says those shipments are still being disrupted by us and european sanctions. exports of ukrainian, as well as russian food and fertiliser are essential to global food security and food prices. i want to underscore the critical importance of the rollover of the black sea grain initiative on 18 march, and are working to create the conditions to enable
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the greatest possible news of export infrastructures through the black sea, in line with the objectives of the initiative. this really matters. ukraine is one of the top four grain exporters in the world. thejoint coordination centre in turkey, which manages the shipping lanes and the cargo inspections says some 23 million tonnes of wheat, barley, corn, and other cereals have been exported since the summer. that has helped alleviate globalfood prices, not to mention its importance, to ukraine's foreign currency reserves. but there are complex logistical issues that need to be overcome to keep that trade flowing — first and foremost, the piloting in an out of ukraines ports. the water is now filled with naval mines like this. ships need to navigate their exit from odesa extremely carefully. then there's the vessels themselves. your average ship will carry around 26,000 tonnes, so it requires a steady flow of bulk cargo ships going in and out, under the noses of the russian navy. they put a lot of trust in the russian guarantees. the shipowners have to secure
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insurance for cargoes and vessels that are moving, and they have to find enough crew prepared to sail them. arnaud petit is the executive director of the international grains council. no better man to speak to than about the implications of all this. how crucial is that to the prices of grain in ourshops? crucial is that to the prices of grain in our shops?— crucial is that to the prices of grain in our shops?- grain in our shops? well, it's simle, grain in our shops? well, it's simple. that _ grain in our shops? well, it's simple, that region - grain in our shops? well, it's i simple, that region represents grain in our shops? well, it's - simple, that region represents 30% of the global trade in grains. you see the importance on the market, it would be very quick, and we saw it in february 2022 when the price of wheat increased tremendously by more than 30%. and since then, it's increased by 24%. it's really vital
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to get a balance between supply and demand. i to get a balance between supply and demand. ., . ., ., demand. i noticed that grain shipments. _ demand. i noticed that grain shipments, broadly - demand. i noticed that grain l shipments, broadly speaking, demand. i noticed that grain - shipments, broadly speaking, have returned to prewar levels, and the price of wheat was falling, but looking today it's starting to climb again. is that factoring in the factor here?— again. is that factoring in the factor here? , ., ., ., factor here? there is no alternative for that region _ factor here? there is no alternative for that region to _ factor here? there is no alternative for that region to supply _ factor here? there is no alternative for that region to supply the - for that region to supply the market. therefore, we are waiting for the renewal, and definitively the grains market is starting to become more volatile. 65’s the grains market is starting to become more volatile.- the grains market is starting to become more volatile. 6596 of we exorted become more volatile. 6596 of we exported from — become more volatile. 6596 of we exported from the _ become more volatile. 6596 of we exported from the black - become more volatile. 6596 of we exported from the black sea - become more volatile. 6596 of we | exported from the black sea coast become more volatile. 6596 of we - exported from the black sea coast to developing countries. so what would it mean to those countries if this deal collapses? it it mean to those countries if this deal collapses?— it mean to those countries if this deal collapses? it would come at a ve bad deal collapses? it would come at a very bad moment _ deal collapses? it would come at a very bad moment because - deal collapses? it would come at a very bad moment because we - deal collapses? it would come at a very bad moment because we are l deal collapses? it would come at a. very bad moment because we are in deal collapses? it would come at a i very bad moment because we are in a period of time where there is very few possibilities in terms of
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supply. it's mainly in argentina and australia, and we are very far from those regions. secondly, it would be a dramatic impact for the next harvest. we are already looking at a minor harvest in comparison to last year, so if we go with the black sea initiative, and i would also say grains in the black region not moving in, it would be very dramatic for the market. i moving in, it would be very dramatic for the market.— moving in, it would be very dramatic for the market. i suppose we have to factor in the — for the market. i suppose we have to factor in the russian _ for the market. i suppose we have to factor in the russian fertiliser - for the market. i suppose we have to factor in the russian fertiliser as - factor in the russian fertiliser as well, because that fertiliser is used in a lot of these african countries to grow the grains. so if they can't get that moving, yields would be much lower.— they can't get that moving, yields would be much lower. yes, we forget that we just — would be much lower. yes, we forget that we just had _ would be much lower. yes, we forget that we just had harvest _ would be much lower. yes, we forget that we just had harvest 2022 - would be much lower. yes, we forget that we just had harvest 2022 in - that we just had harvest 2022 in some of the best conditions in the regions, and 23 through will not be the same, it's not in the same
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record. so therefore, we are ready to be cautious and do everything possible to keep things moving, and all the grains and the black sea moving on. just a reminder that turkey has also been surviving a terrible disaster in the need a lot of greens to supply the population which are in a difficult situation. so there's a lot of factors to push to get this agreement moving on. rebecca, there's a big role for the private sector to play in all this. let's talk about insurance. if you don't know whether this deal will be renewed in a week or two weeks' time, and how difficult is it? i presume you work in advance on these things, so how difficult is it to put that insurance in place for cargo ships? it’s put that insurance in place for cargo ships?— cargo ships? it's incredibly difficult and _ cargo ships? it's incredibly difficult and i _ cargo ships? it's incredibly difficult and i think- cargo ships? it's incredibly difficult and i think we've l cargo ships? it's incredibly - difficult and i think we've already seen _ difficult and i think we've already seen some volatility around this
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over— seen some volatility around this over the — seen some volatility around this over the last 3—4 months. so as soon as there _ over the last 3—4 months. so as soon as there any— over the last 3—4 months. so as soon as there any certainty around whether— as there any certainty around whether the deal will hold or whether— whether the deal will hold or whether russia will suspend the deal which _ whether russia will suspend the deal which happened in november, the insurance — which happened in november, the insurance companies say this is too risky— insurance companies say this is too risky at— insurance companies say this is too risky at the — insurance companies say this is too risky at the moment, they can't guarantee — risky at the moment, they can't guarantee that things will go through— therefore it restricts the amounts — through— therefore it restricts the amounts of finance we can get, because — amounts of finance we can get, because one of the complicated things— because one of the complicated things of— because one of the complicated things of all this is that as soon as a _ things of all this is that as soon as a green— things of all this is that as soon as a green shipment goes, it goes onto a _ as a green shipment goes, it goes onto a boat— as a green shipment goes, it goes onto a boat or train, or whatever. it's onto a boat or train, or whatever. it's then— onto a boat or train, or whatever. it's then ensured by an insurance business. — it's then ensured by an insurance business, but financed by the bank white _ business, but financed by the bank while it's_ business, but financed by the bank while it's there. so we have to make sure that _ while it's there. so we have to make sure that the — while it's there. so we have to make sure that the deal stays in place, because — sure that the deal stays in place, because otherwise the banks can't finance _ because otherwise the banks can't finance it — because otherwise the banks can't finance it because it can't get insurance. _ finance it because it can't get insurance, and that means that even if or weren't — insurance, and that means that even if or weren't happening and it went difficult, _ if or weren't happening and it went difficult, it— if or weren't happening and it went difficult, it would be very difficult, it would be very difficult for the private sector to supply— difficult for the private sector to supply grain. because the finance isn't working. supply grain. because the finance isn't working-— supply grain. because the finance isn't working. another one on this,
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because obviously _ isn't working. another one on this, because obviously the _ isn't working. another one on this, because obviously the private - isn't working. another one on this, | because obviously the private sector has to navigate these sanctions, i read a un support saying we have shipments of fertiliser heading to africa, but other cargoes destined for african farms stranded in belgium and latvia. and it seems people don't understand there's an eu exemption in place for russian fertiliser? �* , , ., , fertiliser? and this is something as well that again _ fertiliser? and this is something as well that again has _ fertiliser? and this is something as well that again has been _ fertiliser? and this is something as well that again has been talked - well that again has been talked about— well that again has been talked about within the whole trade and finance _ about within the whole trade and finance sector. there is a humanitarian need to get fertiliser to africa, — humanitarian need to get fertiliser to africa, to get grain to africa. africa _ to africa, to get grain to africa. africa is— to africa, to get grain to africa. africa is capable of supplying some of its _ africa is capable of supplying some of its grain— africa is capable of supplying some of its grain internally, but not all of its grain internally, but not all of it, _ of its grain internally, but not all of it. it _ of its grain internally, but not all of it, it supplies about half, and an awful— of it, it supplies about half, and an awful lot of the rest actually comes— an awful lot of the rest actually comes from russia and ukraine. so it's beginning to happen is you're seeing _ it's beginning to happen is you're seeing ships not quite getting full, you're _ seeing ships not quite getting full, you're seeing them get lost on the hi-h you're seeing them get lost on the high seas, — you're seeing them get lost on the high seas, all these things are very complicated indeed, and it means that we've — complicated indeed, and it means that we've got almost like a fog of war, but it's a fog of trade war
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that's actually happening and stopping the goods getting to their final destination. the stopping the goods getting to their final destination.— final destination. the flip to this is t in: final destination. the flip to this is trying to _ final destination. the flip to this is trying to deny _ final destination. the flip to this is trying to deny war _ final destination. the flip to this is trying to deny war funds - final destination. the flip to this is trying to deny war funds from | is trying to deny war funds from the kremlin, and a lot of it does come from the food and agriculture sector. i was looking at the revenue from fertiliser exports year on year, it soared to 70% to october, netting $17.7 billion from fertiliser alone which shows you how valuable this is to the kremlin, but they have the leverage. absolutely, and i think rebecca _ they have the leverage. absolutely, and i think rebecca really _ and i think rebecca really underscored _ and i think rebecca really underscored the - and i think rebecca really underscored the fog - and i think rebecca really underscored the fog of. and i think rebecca really. underscored the fog of trade and i think rebecca really- underscored the fog of trade war, it perfectly— underscored the fog of trade war, it perfectly sums _ underscored the fog of trade war, it perfectly sums up _ underscored the fog of trade war, it perfectly sums up the _ underscored the fog of trade war, it perfectly sums up the situation. - underscored the fog of trade war, iti perfectly sums up the situation. and it really— perfectly sums up the situation. and it reattyiust — perfectly sums up the situation. and it reattyiust goes _ perfectly sums up the situation. and it reallyjust goes to _ perfectly sums up the situation. and it reallyjust goes to show— perfectly sums up the situation. and it reallyjust goes to show that - perfectly sums up the situation. and it reallyjust goes to show that the l it reallyjust goes to show that the renewal, _ it reallyjust goes to show that the renewal, even _ it reallyjust goes to show that the renewal, even the _ it reallyjust goes to show that the renewal, even the proposal- it reallyjust goes to show that the renewal, even the proposal that l it reallyjust goes to show that the i renewal, even the proposal that the un secretary— renewal, even the proposal that the un secretary was _ renewal, even the proposal that the un secretary was proposing - renewal, even the proposal that the un secretary was proposing here, l renewal, even the proposal that the un secretary was proposing here, it would _ un secretary was proposing here, it would have — un secretary was proposing here, it would have to — un secretary was proposing here, it would have to be _ un secretary was proposing here, it would have to be up _ un secretary was proposing here, it would have to be up every - un secretary was proposing here, it would have to be up every four- would have to be up every four months — would have to be up every four months it— would have to be up every four months. it underscores - would have to be up every four months. it underscores the - months. it underscores the uncertainty _ months. it underscores the uncertainty that— months. it underscores the uncertainty that the - months. it underscores the uncertainty that the un - months. it underscores the| uncertainty that the un and months. it underscores the - uncertainty that the un and global powers— uncertainty that the un and global powers have — uncertainty that the un and global powers have about _ uncertainty that the un and global powers have about the _ uncertainty that the un and global powers have about the trajectory. uncertainty that the un and globall powers have about the trajectory of the ukraine- — powers have about the trajectory of the ukraine— russia— powers have about the trajectory of the ukraine— russia conflict, - powers have about the trajectory of the ukraine— russia conflict, and l the ukraine— russia conflict, and that's— the ukraine— russia conflict, and that's extremely— the ukraine— russia conflict, and
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that's extremely worrying. - the ukraine— russia conflict, and that's extremely worrying. find l that's extremely worrying. and that's extremely worrying. and that's probably _ that's extremely worrying. that's probably true that's extremely worrying. aim} that's probably true that, that's extremely worrying. that's probably true that, as that's extremely worrying- that's probably true that, as you said, because there is no time and to this war, the volatility will always be priced in, meaning we will always be priced in, meaning we will always pay higher prices at the shops? always pay higher prices at the sho s? . �* , always pay higher prices at the sho s? ., �* , ., , shops? that's right, and we see that it aoes shops? that's right, and we see that it goes down — shops? that's right, and we see that it goes down in _ shops? that's right, and we see that it goes down in weeks _ shops? that's right, and we see that it goes down in weeks for— shops? that's right, and we see that it goes down in weeks for the - shops? that's right, and we see that it goes down in weeks for the first i it goes down in weeks for the first time in several years. so that means food insecurity will continue to increase intercontinental he. in the affordability of that wheat might continue to increase in the near future. ~ . , continue to increase in the near future. ~ ., , ., ., future. we are very grateful for our future. we are very grateful for your time _ future. we are very grateful for your time this _ future. we are very grateful for your time this evening, - future. we are very grateful for your time this evening, thank l future. we are very grateful for. your time this evening, thank you very much. few places have felt the disruption in ukraine, more keenly than georgia. for many in the country, russia's invasion of ukraine conjures memories of 2008, when russian crush the georgian forces to take south 0ssetia, still internationally recognised as georgian territory. many thousands of people remain displaced, and their sympathies lie with kyiv. in fact, in one poll, 87% of georgians said they considered the war in ukraine to be their war too.
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but that is not how the government sees it. last night, that deep split in the country was exposed when parliament backed a bill that put georgia's accession to the european union at considerable risk. the protestors, many waving european flags, say the new "foreign agent" bill will limit press freedom and suppress civil society. and they suspect the kremlin is playing a role. earlier in the week, a committee hearing into the proposed legislation had ended in a parliamentary brawl. on her visit to new york, the georgian president salome zourabichvili — who opposes the bill — spoke directly to the protesters. translation: i am addressing you who are standing _ on rustaveli avenue this evening, as i myself have stood many times. i'm standing here in new york, and behind me is the statue of liberty. this is the symbol for which georgia has always fought, and for which we have come to this day. i am with you, because today
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you represent free georgia. and this was the scene on the streets of tbillisi tonight — again, thousands of protesters took to the streets again, despite warnings from the police. they were using tear gas and water cannon last night. we arejoined by dr tinatin akhvledian, from the centre for european policy studies, a think tank based in brussels. welcome to the programme. the eu is considering georgia's application for candidate status, what damage could this do to the process? thank ou so could this do to the process? thank you so much _ could this do to the process? thank you so much for— could this do to the process? thank you so much for having _ could this do to the process? thank you so much for having me, - could this do to the process? thank you so much for having me, this - could this do to the process? thank you so much for having me, this is| could this do to the process? thank| you so much for having me, this is a very serious situation, he could have repercussions, it's already been stated, and so is the other statement already made by the account of the president of the european council. indeed, this comes very much not in line in these terms against the european and democratic principles that the eu is based on. so for the eu to consider georgia as
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a future member state, georgia cannot go off the democratic path, and this law very much risks that. the man that a lot of people are looking at is this oligarch, the former prime minister of the country who made all his money in russia. he is not formally in politics, but he bankrolls the ruling party. what evidence do you have to suspect that he or russia is involved in what's going on? he or russia is involved in what's auoin on? he or russia is involved in what's oaian on? he or russia is involved in what's aoain on? going on? indeed, so the huge evidence comes _ going on? indeed, so the huge evidence comes on _ going on? indeed, so the huge evidence comes on the - going on? indeed, so the huge| evidence comes on the growing informal governance of the country since the ruling party came to power, and he has formally retired from his party. every time we see something that is apparently so clearly progression, this is usually he who's claiming through the party of the georgian dream. 0therwise he who's claiming through the party of the georgian dream. otherwise the party should be very ignorant of the civil society that's been very actively calling against this law.
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this is not the first case of the government is clearly ignoring the people, and what civil society has been calling so far. this people, and what civil society has been calling so far.— been calling so far. this is very clever, been calling so far. this is very clever. you _ been calling so far. this is very clever, you have _ been calling so far. this is very clever, you have georgia - been calling so far. this is very clever, you have georgia which normally want european accession but they've let one of the minor parties put out this bill, knowing, you suspect, that this will stop the process, and that's why there are thousands on the streets tonight, they know what's happening. indeed, in this case was _ they know what's happening. indeed, in this case was yet _ they know what's happening. indeed, in this case was yet another- in this case was yet another determining point for the —— another turning point for the georgian population, because more than 80% of georgians fully support their future of the european choice. georgia's constitution, article 78 says all our constitutional parties should do what they should implement georgia's integration. now people in this society clearly see the government is doing everything they can to sabotage georgia's application for
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that european membership, which was launched just a year ago. what we saw a year ago was the prime minister saying georgia would not apply for european membership, however people engaged on the streets and it was the outcome of the public protest that georgia came along with the application for european membership. however there were lots of actions taken and statements made from the government, and from the georgian dream representatives to sabotage georgia's european membership. this is another attempt and the georgian people about enough of it. they reminded the government not to take away their own future. thea;r reminded the government not to take away their own future.— away their own future. they have a su rer away their own future. they have a super majority so _ away their own future. they have a super majority so they'll _ away their own future. they have a super majority so they'll be - away their own future. they have a super majority so they'll be able i away their own future. they have a super majority so they'll be able to put it through. there are forces in georgia who say, "we've got a pro—russian government," so we've seen this playbook before? i was
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aoain to seen this playbook before? i was going to applauds _ seen this playbook before? i was going to applauds the _ seen this playbook before? i was going to applauds the previous guest for herm _ going to applauds the previous guest for her... that we've been seeing over— for her... that we've been seeing over the — for her... that we've been seeing over the past ten years worldwide, particularly in this part of the world, — particularly in this part of the world, and there's fit the famous quote _ world, and there's fit the famous quote by— world, and there's fit the famous quote by maria bessa, the freedom fighter— quote by maria bessa, the freedom fighter in_ quote by maria bessa, the freedom fighter in the philippines, saying, "first — fighter in the philippines, saying, "first they— fighter in the philippines, saying, "first they came for the journalists, we don't know what happened — journalists, we don't know what happened next." georgia is in a blind _ happened next." georgia is in a blind spot. _ happened next." georgia is in a blind spot, from where i am here in the us, _ blind spot, from where i am here in the us, fiona he'll summed it up quite _ the us, fiona he'll summed it up quite well— the us, fiona he'll summed it up quite well last week when she highlighted the glaring omission that the — highlighted the glaring omission that the us has taken to paying attention— that the us has taken to paying attention to the rise of oligarchy and authoritarianism in georgia, and it's actually— and authoritarianism in georgia, and it's actually something that the secretary of state spokesperson conceded in the last few days. so there _ conceded in the last few days. so there is— conceded in the last few days. so there is clearly an awareness now
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of, there is clearly an awareness now of. "oh _ there is clearly an awareness now of, "oh goodness, we really must support— of, "oh goodness, we really must support these flourishing democracies wherever they land." democracies wherever they land. " you're _ democracies wherever they land. " you're quite democracies wherever they land." you're quite right, this is a very concerning _ you're quite right, this is a very concerning development, and it underscores an east versus west tug-of-war— underscores an east versus west tug—of—war that we've seen exacerbated since the start of the ukraine- — exacerbated since the start of the ukraine— russia conflict. this exacerbated since the start of the ukraine- russia conflict. this term for an agent _ ukraine- russia conflict. this term for an agent has _ ukraine- russia conflict. this term for an agent has negative - for an agent has negative connotations, we know in russia it translates to spy or trader, and this is an off—the—shelf style bill because vladimir putin brought something like this in 2012 and we know what happened next. yes. something like this in 2012 and we know what happened next. yes, and we must be very — know what happened next. yes, and we must be very careful _ know what happened next. yes, and we must be very careful what _ know what happened next. yes, and we must be very careful what we _ know what happened next. yes, and we must be very careful what we say, - must be very careful what we say, there's— must be very careful what we say, there's a _ must be very careful what we say, there's a degree _ must be very careful what we say, there's a degree of _ must be very careful what we say, there's a degree of plausible - there's a degree of plausible deniahility— there's a degree of plausible deniability around _ there's a degree of plausible deniability around all- there's a degree of plausible deniability around all this. it| there's a degree of plausible - deniability around all this. it has all the _ deniability around all this. it has all the trappings _ deniability around all this. it has all the trappings of _ deniability around all this. it has all the trappings of information. all the trappings of information warfare, — all the trappings of information warfare, all— all the trappings of information warfare, all the _ all the trappings of information warfare, all the destruction - all the trappings of information warfare, all the destruction toi warfare, all the destruction to civil society, _ warfare, all the destruction to civil society, all— warfare, all the destruction to civil society, all the _ civil society, all the misinformation- civil society, all the l misinformation that's civil society, all the - misinformation that's going civil society, all the _ misinformation that's going on around — misinformation that's going on around it _ misinformation that's going on around it. it's— misinformation that's going on around it. it's very— misinformation that's going on around it. it's very hard - misinformation that's going on around it. it's very hard to - misinformation that's going on i around it. it's very hard to isolate and unpick— around it. it's very hard to isolate and unpick everything _ around it. it's very hard to isolate and unpick everything that's - around it. it's very hard to isolatel and unpick everything that's going on, and unpick everything that's going on. not _ and unpick everything that's going on. not least _ and unpick everything that's going on, not least because _ and unpick everything that's going on, not least because the - and unpick everything that's going i on, not least because the president is so much —
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on, not least because the president is so much part— on, not least because the president is so much part of— on, not least because the president is so much part of the _ on, not least because the president is so much part of the playbook, . on, not least because the presidentl is so much part of the playbook, and so is _ is so much part of the playbook, and so is the _ is so much part of the playbook, and so is the population _ is so much part of the playbook, and so is the population yet _ is so much part of the playbook, and so is the population yet you're - so is the population yet you're seeing — so is the population yet you're seeing this— so is the population yet you're| seeing this behind—the—scenes so is the population yet you're - seeing this behind—the—scenes power -rab seeing this behind—the—scenes power grah going _ seeing this behind—the—scenes power grah going on— seeing this behind—the—scenes power grah going on over— seeing this behind—the—scenes power grab going on over commanding - seeing this behind—the—scenes power. grab going on over commanding what's --oin grab going on over commanding what's going on— grab going on over commanding what's going on in_ grab going on over commanding what's going on in civil— grab going on over commanding what's going on in civil society, _ grab going on over commanding what's going on in civil society, it's _ grab going on over commanding what's going on in civil society, it's very- going on in civil society, it's very worrying — going on in civil society, it's very wor ina. �* ., , going on in civil society, it's very wor ina. ., ., , ., worrying. and what is already head over -- held _ worrying. and what is already head over -- held over— worrying. and what is already head over -- held over the _ worrying. and what is already head over -- held over the heads - worrying. and what is already head over -- held over the heads of- over —— held over the heads of the georgian people as if they don't fall in line with moscow, then something like what's happening in ukraine would overfall something like what's happening in ukraine would over fall georgia? something like what's happening in ukraine would overfall georgia? the ukraine would over fall georgia? the onl ukraine would over fall georgia? iie: only alternative ukraine would over fall georgia? tie: only alternative and ukraine would over fall georgia? ti2 only alternative and only choice is to become a member of the european union. but we see what's going on now in ukraine, and georgia was a tour of russia in 2008, and since then the borders have been moving and facing invasion. there is no other choice for georgians to remain as a free democratic independent state. ., ., ,, , as a free democratic independent state. ., . , . state. doctor, thank you very much for our state. doctor, thank you very much for your time _ state. doctor, thank you very much for your time this _ state. doctor, thank you very much
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for your time this evening. - let's look at some of the other stories making headlines today... the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says the government's new legislation to stop migrants arriving illegally in the uk, on small boats, is full of "gimmicks and empty promises". prime minister rishi sunak defended the plan, claiming it is "only the conservatives" prepared to take the tough decisions. the measures announced tuesday would effectively ban anyone coming by boat from claiming asylum, and would lead to their immediate detention and deportation. the un says the plan is a clear breach of international law. the bbc says it has reminded football presenter gary lineker of his responsibilities, after he compared language used to launch the government's immigration policy yesterday to 1930s germany. he said the tone was "immeasurably cruel". downing street described lineker�*s criticism of the new asylum policy as "unacceptable" and "disappointing", but lineker is not backing down. i'll "continue to try and speak up for those poor souls that have no voice", he wrote in response to those who'd called for his sacking. an investigation by the usjustice department has concluded that the police department in louisville kentuckys routinely discriminated against black people,
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often using excessive force and sometimes conducting illegal searches. the inquiry was launched after the death of breonna taylor, a black woman who was shot dead by police during a no—knock raid on her home in 2020. let's get more on that story now with our correspondent nada tawifk. quick history of breonna taylor, she's in bed late at night, please come in with a battering ram. boyfriend thinks it's a burglary, it's a drug raid but no drugs were found. he fires a shot, they opened fire and killed her. then there is an inquiry — what does the department ofjustice say about the behaviour of louisville police? well, this was a two—year probe by the department ofjustice and what they found was that the louisville police department and the local government routinely discriminated against black citizens. and in this
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86 page report, it is pretty damning in terms of the excessive force that the police department often used, including unlawful neck restraints, unlawfully using police dogs and tasers. they also found that on a routine traffic stops, they unlawfully used a pretence of a minor traffic violation to try to look for other offences they could charge citizens with. and merrick garland, during this press conference, detailed how some officers had videos of themselves throwing drinks at citizens from their vehicles, speaking down to people with disabilities, using racial slurs to describe black citizens as animals, monkeys — so this was really, as i say, a wide look at the department puzzling practices, from what we saw with breonna unlawful no knock injuries.
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and what we saw it from this is that they also violated the rights of those who were critical of policing, how they failed to respond to the sexual assault calls and domestic violence. so garland really said the police department failed to protect and serve, and what they did was created this mistrust in the community that is so necessary for successful policing.— community that is so necessary for successful policing. meanwhile, not far awa in successful policing. meanwhile, not far away in memphis, _ successful policing. meanwhile, not far away in memphis, we've - successful policing. meanwhile, not far away in memphis, we've got - far away in memphis, we've got another doj inquiry opening up. there were supposed to be more of that video footage, the police footage from the death of tyree nichols, the black man who was beaten to death by police. but i think there was an injunction which delayed that — but still, the doj thinks there is a case to make against the department? gas, and in fact, memphis _ against the department? gas, and in fact, memphis was _ against the department? gas, and in fact, memphis was the _ against the department? gas, and in fact, memphis was the one - against the department? gas, and in fact, memphis was the one who - against the department? gas, and in. fact, memphis was the one who asked for the doj to look at some of their
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practices and to report back. what we had was the end of this administrative investigation which has led now to the firing of seven police officers and the suspension of a few others. so the city has basically said they will release this footage because they had finished that review which also concluded suspensions for some members of the fire department which didn't render aid to tyree nichols. but what this really shows is that while five of those officers are now facing second—degree murder charges, they have basically stopped —— have asked the court to stop releasing footage until they can review it. you have the likes of reverend al sharpton saying, "what can be worse than what was already released in that original set of videos and?" this reallyjust shows that
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that original set of videos and?" this really just shows that this that original set of videos and?" this reallyjust shows that this is a systemic issue across the united states, the fact that you have the department ofjustice notjust probing they are in memphis, but also going to conduct a nationwide review of all nationwide units. i can't keep up with you, you're so mobile — anyways, thank you very much for that. we hope to make or have one inquiry in louisville ending, and one in memphis opening. who is overseeing that reform and what kind of reform? fine who is overseeing that reform and what kind of reform?— what kind of reform? one of the thinas what kind of reform? one of the things that _ what kind of reform? one of the things that merrick _ what kind of reform? one of the things that merrick garland - what kind of reform? one of the - things that merrick garland outlined today was _ things that merrick garland outlined today was that the consent decree powers. _ today was that the consent decree powers, louisville would essentially be under _ powers, louisville would essentially be under a — powers, louisville would essentially be under a consent decree. that means— be under a consent decree. that means is— be under a consent decree. that means isjudge will be under a consent decree. that means is judge will oversight be under a consent decree. that means isjudge will oversight over any proposed police reforms and monitor— any proposed police reforms and monitor and check in on progress. but this— monitor and check in on progress. but this is— monitor and check in on progress. but this is a caveat, this all
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sounds _ but this is a caveat, this all sounds good but local municipalities really— sounds good but local municipalities really are _ sounds good but local municipalities really are able to determine just how much— really are able to determine just how much of their budget will be spent _ how much of their budget will be spent on — how much of their budget will be spent on meaningfully executing these _ spent on meaningfully executing these reforms. so while i think a lot of— these reforms. so while i think a lot of people will be pleased to hear _ lot of people will be pleased to hear that there's going to be this additional— hear that there's going to be this additional layer of oversight, and certainly— additional layer of oversight, and certainly we've seen this in other cities _ certainly we've seen this in other cities only— certainly we've seen this in other cities only in places like new orleans, _ cities only in places like new orleans, there is this sort of — it doesn't — orleans, there is this sort of — it doesn't always mean we will see the reforms with teeth. and something that was— reforms with teeth. and something that was mentioned, the systemic issue _ that was mentioned, the systemic issue about specialised police units — in louisville, there was a viper unita _ — in louisville, there was a viper unit, and — — in louisville, there was a viper unit, and in— — in louisville, there was a viper unit, and in memphis, there was the scorpion _ unit, and in memphis, there was the scorpion unit — unit, and in memphis, there was the scorpion unit. there's been a proliferation and expansion of militarised police units here in the us, each— militarised police units here in the us, each a — militarised police units here in the us, each a systemic issue that will also require — us, each a systemic issue that will also require some hard looks from notjust— also require some hard looks from notjust the — also require some hard looks from notjust the department also require some hard looks from not just the department ofjustice, but individual states as they looked at meaningfully reformed police across the us.—
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at meaningfully reformed police across the us. �* , ., ., ., a across the us. let's head to a quick break, do across the us. let's head to a quick break. do join _ across the us. let's head to a quick break, do join us _ across the us. let's head to a quick break, do join us right _ across the us. let's head to a quick break, do join us right after the - break, dojoin us right after the break. hello. today, we've seen a good covering of snow here and there, particularly across wales, southern parts of england, too. for many of us, it has been rain and drizzle, of course, and this wintry mix is going to continue through the course of this evening. by 8pm, we will have seen more snow across parts of wales, the midlands, just to the north of london, too. but on the south coast, it's much too mild for snow, so we are talking about heavier rain showers. and then in the north, we've got clearer skies across northern parts of northern ireland, also scotland, a few heavier snow showers there in the very far north of scotland. but this is where the really cold air is early in the morning on thursday, —7 celsius in aberdeen, —5 for glasgow, colder than that in the glens, and then elsewhere, it's that icy morning mix a little further south.
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here's the next area of low pressure as it sweeps in on thursday. to the north, we've got the cold air, and that's where the snow is going to be. so, it starts snowing early in the morning across parts of wales, especially the north around snowdonia. that snow reaches the north west of england, reaches the peak district and really then spreads across many parts of northern england. it won't be snow absolutely everywhere — in fact, there will be some sleet and rain as well. and then, to the south of that, where the milder air is, it really is too mild. in fact, temperatures here around 12—10 celsius, so we're talking about heavy showers. but that snow really could turn quite heavy a second half of the afternoon and into the evening hours, particularly across northern england and around the pennines. and also, its snowing across southern parts of scotland and into northern ireland. now, it's prompted the met office to issue an amber warning for the pennines area, valid from 3pm on thursday into friday, and in the worst case, we could see up to 40cm of snow in some of the higher elevations.
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but in most towns and cities, it'll be a covering here and there. early in the morning on friday, that weather front with its snowy weather clears towards the east — it may have a sting in its tail. you can see some wintry weather from lincolnshire into east anglia, maybe essex, but then, come the afternoon, it clears into the netherlands and into germany as well. and then, we're in between weather systems — a cold northerly wind with a few snow showers in the north. a really chilly day on friday.
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hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. fox news host tucker carlson — comes in for some sharp criticism from senior republicans over his attempt to whitewash the january 6 insurrection. carlson showed viewers previously unseen clips from inside the capitol which demonstrated, he said, that it was neither a riot nor an insurrection. we'll speak to one of the five women sueing the state of texas — after they were denied abortions despite facing life—threatening health risks. and on international womens day — we will turn to the protests in iran, where more than 1,000 girls appear to have been poisoned in their classrooms. tonight with the context, the independent trade economist rebecca harding and emmy nominated journalist caroline modarressy—tehrani.
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welcome back. fox news has been given special access to jan 6th footage from inside the capitol building which this week has been shown, in edited version, by tucker carlson. selectively edited. from over 40k hours of footage, carlson has picked out what, he says, is previously unseen video, which he presents as the untold truth of what actually happened. let me give you a flavour. they were peaceful, they were orderly and meek. these were not insurrectionist, they were sightseers. footage from inside the capitol overturns the story you've heard about january six. protesters cue up in neat little lines, they give each of the tours outside the speakers office. they take cheerful selfies and they smile. they are not destroying the capitol, they obviously revere the capitol. revering the capitol.
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i'll let you decide whether these people look like they are revering the capital. they are revering the capital. no, these people didn't come through the visitors centre. they went through the windows, they smashed the doors, they defecated in congressional offices. they put their feet on speakers pelosi's desk. and they beat and maimed capitol police officers, five people lost their lives. republicans have condemned tucker carlson's revised version of events, including the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. it was a mistake in my view for fox news to depict this in a way that completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the capitol thinks. but this rewriting of history. this whitewashing of what actually went on, is not solely the work of tucker carlson. the man who gave him this 40k hours of footage, was none other than house speaker kevin mccarthy. hannah muldavin — is former spokesperson
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for the january 6th committee — she is now senior communications advisor for the congressional integrity project. welcome to the program. just to be clear, were you able to view these 40,000 hours of video tape that kevin mccarthy handed to tucker carlson? . ~ kevin mccarthy handed to tucker carlson? ., ,, ,., kevin mccarthy handed to tucker carlson? ., ,, y., ., kevin mccarthy handed to tucker carlson? ., ,, ., ., carlson? thank you for having me. yes, on carlson? thank you for having me. yes. on the _ carlson? thank you for having me. yes, on the january _ carlson? thank you for having me. yes, on the january six _ carlson? thank you for having me. yes, on the january six select - yes, on the january six select committee we received this footage and over the course of months looked at this footage, worked with a capital police to ensure that what we release we release in a responsible way and accurately portray the violence that happened on january portray the violence that happened onjanuary six. portray the violence that happened on january six. what we're seeing happening right now is speaker kevin mccarthy succumbing to the trump republicans that are in the republicans that are in the republican party in the house right now. the likes of marjorie taylor greene and jim jordan are leading the way to try and whitewash what
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happened onjanuary the way to try and whitewash what happened on january six the way to try and whitewash what happened onjanuary six and whitewash the role that president trump played in inciting the violence that occurred on that day. what you are suggesting is there was a price to be paid for the votes he won to be speaker of the house. this is him bowing or nodding to the right of his party.— is him bowing or nodding to the right of his party. yes. we saw in the midterm _ right of his party. yes. we saw in the midterm elections _ right of his party. yes. we saw in the midterm elections this - right of his party. yes. we saw in the midterm elections this past l the midterm elections this past years republicans do a lot worse than they expected. i think a lot of thatis than they expected. i think a lot of that is because we saw americans really show up for democracy at the ballot box. because of that the majority that the republicans have in congress on the hill, in the houseis in congress on the hill, in the house is much smaller. it took kevin mccarthy many votes to win the speakership. and because of that these trump, maggot republicans have a lot more power than they would have. those include marjorie taylor greene, jimjordan, leading some of these, i want to quote this year
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"investigation. "a lot of political stance to try and whitewash what happened onjanuary stance to try and whitewash what happened on january six stance to try and whitewash what happened onjanuary six and motivated by trying to get president trump reelected in 2024. iitrul’hrzat motivated by trying to get president trump reelected in 2024.— trump reelected in 2024. what is particularly _ trump reelected in 2024. what is particularly noticeable _ trump reelected in 2024. what is particularly noticeable about - trump reelected in 2024. what is particularly noticeable about his l particularly noticeable about his edited version is he picks out those parts of the day when police officers are walking in his words, escorting these people through the capital. what conclusions did you come to over the fact that the so—called q1 on shaman was being shown through the hallway directed towards the senate? i shown through the hallway directed towards the senate?— towards the senate? i think one rerson i towards the senate? i think one person i like _ towards the senate? i think one person i like to _ towards the senate? i think one person i like to point _ towards the senate? i think one person i like to point to - towards the senate? i think one person i like to point to when i person i like to point to when thinking about this was stephen
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ayers who was a writer that we actually had it one of our hearings who talked about... here there is video of him coming through those windows was up in the videos that show him he is walking, looking around at the capitol, it's a gorgeous building, he's never been in the before. but he pled guilty because he came onto the capitol property when he wasn't supposed to. there was a lot of violence that happened on that day. and the police officers had a lot of different things you can focus on like making sure that members of the senate and house got to safety. once those members of the house and senate got to safety later in the day you will see a lot of these police officers getting these crowds and mobs out of the capital. —— the capitol. it's no surprise they are trying to show some sort of conspiracy theory that happened onjanuary 6, because it's trying to cover up the conspiracy that was really going on, which was tried try to say the 20 20 election was stolen. we know that to be untrue. , .,
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untrue. let me bring in our panel. rebecca, untrue. let me bring in our panel. rebecca. this _ untrue. let me bring in our panel. rebecca, this is _ untrue. let me bring in our panel. rebecca, this is becoming - untrue. let me bring in our panel. rebecca, this is becoming a - untrue. let me bring in our panel. rebecca, this is becoming a new | rebecca, this is becoming a new tactic for powerful people. elon musk to the same thing, hand—picking journals was to to hand over twitter files, people who he knew could mould the narrative in a direction that he wanted.— mould the narrative in a direction that he wanted. how dangerous is that? i that he wanted. how dangerous is that? i think _ that he wanted. how dangerous is that? l think | — that he wanted. how dangerous is that? l think | would _ that he wanted. how dangerous is that? i think i would almost - that he wanted. how dangerous is that? i think i would almost be i that? i think i would almost be losing — that? i think i would almost be losing sleep over it, to be honest. it's pouring — losing sleep over it, to be honest. it's pouring in the context of a bigger political disruption that were — bigger political disruption that were having about disruption to society — were having about disruption to society. different connections with misinformation, misrepresentation and countries like georgia. the important _ and countries like georgia. the important thing here is that it is happening at one of the greatest democracies in the world as well. this news— democracies in the world as well. this news is— democracies in the world as well. this news is being re—edited and almost _ this news is being re—edited and almost revisions of accusing china and russia — almost revisions of accusing china and russia are all. but it's being done _ and russia are all. but it's being done by— and russia are all. but it's being done by our own media. and that bothers— done by our own media. and that bothers me — done by our own media. and that bothers me because it means that it's supposed choose world, where constructing alternative narratives
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of the _ constructing alternative narratives of the truth. the fundamental aspect of the truth. the fundamental aspect of democracy is it is based on true, accurate _ of democracy is it is based on true, accurate and — of democracy is it is based on true, accurate and transparent information. we have to believe that's— information. we have to believe that's the — information. we have to believe that's the case for that we get both, — that's the case for that we get both, we _ that's the case for that we get both, we can have democracy unless we have _ both, we can have democracy unless we have representative information. that is— we have representative information. that is very— we have representative information. that is very worrying. as this is running on fox news this week we get another load of documents from the civil case involving dominion voting. this is a libel vote that million has brought against fox for the promoting of lies in 2020. in these submissions we get a very different picture from tucker carlson. let me put up some text that he said. we are very, very close to being able to ignore trump most nights. then he goes on to say... privately in the newsroom they all
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knew this was wrong, they knew it was happening onjanuary six was wrong but yet, through this video that they've edited this week they are doubling down. i don't understand it.— are doubling down. i don't understand it. ., ., , ., understand it. you do understand it because you _ understand it. you do understand it because you turned _ understand it. you do understand it because you turned to _ understand it. you do understand it because you turned to the - understand it. you do understand it| because you turned to the dictionary definition— because you turned to the dictionary definition of— because you turned to the dictionary definition of gas _ because you turned to the dictionary definition of gas lighting. _ because you turned to the dictionary definition of gas lighting. that's - definition of gas lighting. that's what's — definition of gas lighting. that's what's happening _ definition of gas lighting. that's what's happening now. - definition of gas lighting. that's what's happening now. as - 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seen some of these more senior republicans coming out - seen some of these more senior republicans coming out and - seen some of these more senior- republicans coming out and bombast thin- republicans coming out and bombast thing it— republicans coming out and bombast thing it as _ republicans coming out and bombast thing it as utter— republicans coming out and bombast thing it as utter nonsense. _ republicans coming out and bombast thing it as utter nonsense. we - republicans coming out and bombast thing it as utter nonsense. we see i thing it as utter nonsense. we see the doubling — thing it as utter nonsense. we see the doubling down— thing it as utter nonsense. we see the doubling down of— thing it as utter nonsense. we see the doubling down of this - thing it as utter nonsense. we see| the doubling down of this language every— the doubling down of this language every time — the doubling down of this language every time a — the doubling down of this language every time a fox _ the doubling down of this language every time a fox news— the doubling down of this language every time a fox news house - 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particularly as this lawsuit rolls on. particularly as this lawsuit rolls on i— particularly as this lawsuit rolls on. ~ ., . particularly as this lawsuit rolls on. ~' ., . y ., particularly as this lawsuit rolls on. ~ ., ., ., on. i know what you are saying. kevin mccarthy _ on. i know what you are saying. kevin mccarthy wants _ on. i know what you are saying. kevin mccarthy wants to - on. i know what you are saying. kevin mccarthy wants to speak| on. i know what you are saying. i kevin mccarthy wants to speak to on. i know what you are saying. - kevin mccarthy wants to speak to the right wing of his party and fox news want the right wing of the party to come on because it's important to their viewing figures and their ratings. surely fox news also realises that they need people like mitch mcconnell and the more moderate faces in the republican
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party. is there a dilemma now? there is. you party. is there a dilemma now? there is- you could — party. is there a dilemma now? there is. you could say _ party. is there a dilemma now? there is. you could say it's _ party. is there a dilemma now? there is. you could say it's republicans - is. you could say it's republicans in disarray. you're seen a schism in the republican party where the likes of mitch mcconnell, the senate republicans, mitt romney is a note about the organisation for the truth, were not going to whitewash what happens, we where they are. and using kevin mccarthy and knees maga republicans try to say something different. i think it's clear where the truth is, where the january six laid out the facts of what happened that day. the republican party has some reflecting to do. if this maga wing is going to be pushing them to live more. when it is to even more ridiculous because we see what's going on right in front of us through their own words. anna, thank ou for through their own words. anna, thank you for coming _ through their own words. anna, thank you for coming on _ through their own words. anna, thank you for coming on the _ through their own words. anna, thank you for coming on the program. - injune last year the supreme court of the united states overturned roe v wade, the law that had made abortion a constitutional right for americans for nearly half a century. it has opened the floodgates to much tighter restrictions
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across the country. just this week the nations second biggest drug store walgreens, said it will no longer distribute abortion pills, even in some states where they are legal. clinics, abortion providers, drug stores, are being frightened off by the threat of legal action. which undermines critical care, even when the life of the mother is at risk. texas bars abortions except for medical emergencies, with doctors facing punishment of up to 99 years injail. but it is becoming clear doctors are now refusing the procedure even in extreme cases, where it is medically proven the foetus will not survive, from fear of prosecution. we have been speaking to amanda zurawski one of five women suing the state of texas. also with her marc herron, the senior councel of the centre for reproductive rights, who are representing them. amanda, you are 35, you became pregnant after 18 months of fertility treatment and you are into your second trimester. what happens
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then? , , ., �* your second trimester. what happens then? , �* , then? yes, you're exactly right. it took a long _ then? yes, you're exactly right. it took a long time _ then? yes, you're exactly right. it took a long time for— then? yes, you're exactly right. it took a long time for my _ then? yes, you're exactly right. it took a long time for my husband i then? yes, you're exactly right. it i took a long time for my husband and ito get pregnant and absolutely over the moon when we were. my first trimester it was really smooth sailing. didn't have a lot of complications untiljust one day shy of the 18 week mark. i had some unexpected symptoms and so i contacted my doctor who had me come in right away. and very quickly was diagnosed with a condition called cervical insufficiency. which basically means that my body was dilating prematurely. the baby we were told wouldn't be able to survive. eventually what happened was my water broke and i lost all of my amniotic fluid and shortly after my amniotic fluid and shortly after my membranes ruptured as well. unfortunately, she was not going to be able to survive. that
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unfortunately, she was not going to be able to survive.— be able to survive. that is in an immensely dramatic _ be able to survive. that is in an immensely dramatic moment i be able to survive. that is in an i immensely dramatic moment for be able to survive. that is in an - immensely dramatic moment for any woman. what did the doctors tell you at that point about aborting the foetus? i at that point about aborting the foetus? . , ~ ., . ., at that point about aborting the foetus? . w ., . ., ., ., foetus? i asked what we could do to make sure that _ foetus? i asked what we could do to make sure that the _ foetus? i asked what we could do to make sure that the next _ foetus? i asked what we could do to make sure that the next steps - make sure that the next steps would be respectful for my daughter and for me and to prevent me from getting sick. many health care professionals that we consulted said that there was nothing they could do because the babies heart was still beating and i was not considered a second off or my life wasn't considered in danger. so under texas is anti—abortion laws they could not intervene. fiat is anti-abortion laws they could not intervene. �* ., ., intervene. at what point did that chanae? i intervene. at what point did that change? i understand _ intervene. at what point did that change? i understand that - intervene. at what point did that change? i understand that in - intervene. at what point did that i change? i understand that in some point along the way you develop sepsis. so you are eligible for this procedure. he would not have done
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anything where they're not a threat to your life, is that what you are sa ina ? .. , , to your life, is that what you are sa in? , �* saying? exactly. they couldn't intervene. _ saying? exactly. they couldn't intervene, they _ saying? exactly. they couldn't intervene, they can _ saying? exactly. they couldn't intervene, they can help, - saying? exactly. they couldn't intervene, they can help, they couldn't provide standard health care until either the babies heart stop beating on my life was considered at risk because i was sick enough. for me it took three daysin sick enough. for me it took three days in a matter of minutes i went from healthy to septic. at that point our doctors after consulting the ethics board at the hospital were permitted to give me healthcare.— were permitted to give me healthcare. ~ , , ., healthcare. mark, let me bring you in. are healthcare. mark, let me bring you in- are they _ healthcare. mark, let me bring you in. are they reluctant _ healthcare. mark, let me bring you in. are they reluctant because - healthcare. mark, let me bring you in. are they reluctant because they don't believe in intervening or are they reluctant because they are so worried about the legal repercussions? worried about the legal re-ercussions? ., , repercussions? doctors across texas and across the — repercussions? doctors across texas and across the united _ repercussions? doctors across texas and across the united states - repercussions? doctors across texas and across the united states where l and across the united states where abortions _ and across the united states where abortions are banned are understandably afraid to provide the health _ understandably afraid to provide the health care that they would have
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provided — health care that they would have provided last year. in texas and abortion— provided last year. in texas and abortion provider or a physician who provides— abortion provider or a physician who provides an — abortion provider or a physician who provides an abortion procedure to a patient _ provides an abortion procedure to a patient under the medical emergency e>
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to your child is a foetus because it was in early stages but you referred to her as your daughter. can you talk to me about the emotional trauma that is involved in this for so many women going through the same thing? so many women going through the same thina ? , ., �* so many women going through the same thin ? , ., �* ., thing? yes. you're right, i do refer to her as my _ thing? yes. you're right, i do refer to her as my daughter. _ thing? yes. you're right, i do refer to her as my daughter. she - thing? yes. you're right, i do refer to her as my daughter. she is - thing? yes. you're right, i do refer to her as my daughter. she is my i to her as my daughter. she is my daughter. and her name is willow. i think something that a lot of people in the united states don't understand about abortion is number one, just standard healthcare. number two, one, just standard healthcare. numbertwo, i of one, just standard healthcare. number two, i of times the people that want or want or need or seek an abortion are not what the stigma has represented us to be. i desperately want children, i desperately wanted willow. and yet i found myself in a position where i was waiting for her to die so that i wouldn't die. i
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can't imagine a more traumatic or anguishing experience than wishing for one of those things to happen. but that is the reality of being pregnant in texas today. finally, what damage _ pregnant in texas today. finally, what damage did _ pregnant in texas today. finally, what damage did you _ pregnant in texas today. finally, what damage did you did - pregnant in texas today. finally, what damage did you did this - pregnant in texas today. finally, | what damage did you did this do? pregnant in texas today. finally, - what damage did you did this do? are ou what damage did you did this do? 2.2 you still able what damage did you did this do? 2:2 you still able to have children? what damage did you did this do? 22 you still able to have children? we hope so. we will have a family someday, were not exactly how we're going to achieve that. we know one thing for sure, what happened to me is going to make it medically even harderfor me to is going to make it medically even harder for me to get pregnant again. if i can. like i said, we will have a family one date one way or another. �* . . a family one date one way or another-— a family one date one way or another. �* . . �* ,, , ., another. amanda, we're keeping our finaers another. amanda, we're keeping our fingers crossed _ another. amanda, we're keeping our fingers crossed for _ another. amanda, we're keeping our fingers crossed for you. _ another. amanda, we're keeping our fingers crossed for you. thank - another. amanda, we're keeping our fingers crossed for you. thank you i fingers crossed for you. thank you so much for coming on the program. very brave woman. first time since roe versus wade says women have challenged. one—liner breaking news here in the
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uk, the man who was arrested in connection with the murder of ellie edwards on christmas eve has been charged. to arrest made in connection with that murder. detectives say that thomas waring has been charged with possession of a prohibited weapon and assisting in a prohibited weapon and assisting in a and he will appear at world court tomorrow morning. we will bring you more news on that for the news on that on we will bring you more news on that for the news the bbc website. now, it's time for the panel... it is international womens day. a day in which we imagine, strive for, a gender equal world. and nowhere do women face a greater threat in that battle for equality than in iran, which is where caroline wants to focus tonight. almost six months of protest which began over one womans death in police custody, but it has become much more than that. it is about freedoms, its about the right to be educated. and so threatened is the iranian regime, and the hardline
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elements that support it, that they would poison schoolgirls in their classrooms. and not an isolated incident. the map shows there have been scores of cases across the country, with most coming in the last few weeks. caroline we are going to show our viewers some distressing images, while you talk to us about it, but the scope and scale of this is appears to be expanding on an almost daily basis. yes. i want to thank you for doggedly — yes. i want to thank you for doggedly following - yes. i want to thank you for doggedly following the - yes. i want to thank you for i doggedly following the story. yes. i want to thank you for - doggedly following the story. it's extremely important. since november thousands of schoolgirls across the country, around 230 schools have been complaining of being sickened by toxic fumes. we have seen just in the last few days some of these harrowing images you are showing now. young girls being seen escorted from the schools coughing and ambulances, have an horrific nosebleed, complaining of headaches, horrendous array of symptoms. so far we don't know what the source of visitors but as you mentioned, there is a deep, deep fear and distrust at
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the moment of the iranian the regime has been battling against and trying to infringe upon the rights of the iranian people to protest freely and to fight for their basic fundamental freedoms. it's been since september, one of the chilling things out of all of this is that the parents and teachers who have been trying to speak out about the poisonings have reportedly been silenced. we've seen instances ofjournalist being instances of journalist being muzzled instances ofjournalist being muzzled and more arrests. and adding a century to the fury that they iranian people have already had against the regime we've seen more protest just against the regime we've seen more protestjust in the last couple of days. the united states today issued another round of sanctions against iran. the tenth round of sanctions that they have levied against the regime sense these protests began
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without as you say, fundamentally about a regime that is terrifying of girls and women expressing their freedom and ask pressing their ability to want to be taught how they want to be taught, where would they want to be taught, where would they want to wear, to be able to fundamentally express and exercise their human rights. 50 fundamentally express and exercise their human rights.— fundamentally express and exercise their human rights. so many advances needed in iran. _ their human rights. so many advances needed in iran. let's _ their human rights. so many advances needed in iran. let's talk _ their human rights. so many advances needed in iran. let's talk about - their human rights. so many advances needed in iran. let's talk about the i needed in iran. let's talk about the advances that they have been. in the western world, with regards to women in business. mr; western world, with regards to women in business. y . ~ western world, with regards to women in business. g ., ,, ., ., in business. my take on women in business is _ in business. my take on women in business is based _ in business. my take on women in business is based on _ in business. my take on women in business is based on experience i in business. my take on women in i business is based on experience and data _ business is based on experience and data 15_ business is based on experience and data. 15 years ago i used to run an academic— data. 15 years ago i used to run an academic programme on entrepreneurship. the programme is called _ entrepreneurship. the programme is called the _ entrepreneurship. the programme is called the global entrepreneurship monitor~ _ called the global entrepreneurship monitor. there was a huge gap between — monitor. there was a huge gap between the number of women who set ”p between the number of women who set up businesses and men who set up businesses — up businesses and men who set up businesses. the reason why women
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were _ businesses. the reason why women were afraid — businesses. the reason why women were afraid of failure, they had imposter— were afraid of failure, they had imposter syndrome, always undercapitalized from getting access to finance _ undercapitalized from getting access to finance difficult. i left running that project to set up my own company. it was with some interest i have to _ company. it was with some interest i have to say— company. it was with some interest i have to say that i looked at the rose review which came out a couple of weeks _ rose review which came out a couple of weeks ago. it was positive. it was a _ of weeks ago. it was positive. it was a women are setting up more businesses _ was a women are setting up more businesses in 2022 that they have in previous— businesses in 2022 that they have in previous years. our younger generation coming through is more likely— generation coming through is more likely to _ generation coming through is more likely to be setting up businesses. when _ likely to be setting up businesses. when you — likely to be setting up businesses. when you read the small print, i was really— when you read the small print, i was really disappointed because i saw we're _ really disappointed because i saw we're still— really disappointed because i saw we're still in a situation where men are more _ we're still in a situation where men are more likely to register a new business — are more likely to register a new business. women still find it difficult _ business. women still find it difficult to access finance. after five years — difficult to access finance. after five years only 5% of women who set ”p five years only 5% of women who set up a company are still running their companies — up a company are still running their companies. the exit level for women is very— companies. the exit level for women is very high — companies. the exit level for women is very high. they handed over to the boys — is very high. they handed over to the boys after five years with the again. _ the boys after five years with the again. a — the boys after five years with the again, a fear of failure, access to
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finance, — again, a fear of failure, access to finance, imposter syndrome and its statistically verified of being similar— statistically verified of being similar around the world. that has to be something _ similar around the world. that has to be something we _ similar around the world. that has to be something we need - similar around the world. that has to be something we need to - similar around the world. that has to be something we need to workl similar around the world. that has i to be something we need to work on. in the boardroom i read today that 40% of board rooms and the seats of the uk are our women. in fact, the alt male executive committees and fallen to around... such an extent they're only ten left. there is no longer in excuse, that women can't be chief executives or germans of companies is there?— be chief executives or germans of companies is there? absolutely not. i think was really _ companies is there? absolutely not. i think was really interesting - companies is there? absolutely not. i think was really interesting about i i think was really interesting about all of— i think was really interesting about all of this— i think was really interesting about all of this is that the uk is doing better— all of this is that the uk is doing better than a lot of countries around — better than a lot of countries around the world, including north america — around the world, including north america i— around the world, including north america. i think we have an opportunity here, we have a pipeline now. _ opportunity here, we have a pipeline now. were _ opportunity here, we have a pipeline now, were beginning to see successes, let's keep at it. international women's day. good to finish on those two topics with a lovely to have you on the program. i
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always mix it up. i don't know why i do that. force of habit. you always mix it up. i don't know why i do that. force of habit.— do that. force of habit. you are close enough. _ do that. force of habit. you are close enough. thank _ do that. force of habit. you are close enough. thank you - do that. force of habit. you are close enough. thank you very i do that. force of habit. you are i close enough. thank you very much for our close enough. thank you very much for yourtime- _ close enough. thank you very much for your time. we _ close enough. thank you very much for your time. we will _ close enough. thank you very much for your time. we will see - close enough. thank you very much for your time. we will see you i for your time. we will see you tomorrow. hello. time to have a look at the weather for the next few days. in the short term, obviously, the story is the snow, and thursday will bring further snow to northern parts of the uk, particularly northern england and especially the pennines. here's the satellite picture. you can see this belt of cloud. it's actually a division between much colder air from the north, from the arctic, and milder air in the south. and it's actually here where we have all the troublesome weather. so the snow, the wintry mix, the outbreaks of rain on the south coast, because it's not cold everywhere. this is the next area of low pressure with the snow on the northern edge.
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so let's have a look at that. early in the morning on thursday, it starts to snow in parts of northern wales. southwest, it's rain. you can see that southwesterly breeze there. much milder as well. temperatures will be around nine celsius in plymouth, whereas in aberdeen it's —7, probably colder than that in the glens. but the trouble begins across more central parts of the uk. so heavy snow across snowdonia, into parts of the peak district, and eventually that snow spreads into northwestern england, throughout the pennines, further north, too. it's not snowing absolutely everywhere. in fact, you can see some rain and sleet there closer to the north sea coast. and then south of that, it's much too mild for snow — in fact, 12 celsius in plymouth, ten in london. so we're talking about showers, maybe heavier ones with a crack of thunder here. the real tricky weather is further north and that's very tricky to forecast in terms of the amounts of snow that we'll get, because it will be on a knife edge. some areas will get a lot of snow. others will have just a slight covering. and in some spots it'll be mostly rain. but it has prompted the met office
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to issue an amber warning, particularly for the pennines area here, valid from 3pm on thursday. worst case, 40cm of snow with quite strong winds. but elsewhere you can see the snow amounts will be a lot less, maybe five or ten centimetres covering. here's friday — the weather system eventually clears away towards the east. here it is in the morning, it will have a sting in its tail. that means some wintry weather for east anglia, possibly further south, as well. but once that weather system clears away into the netherlands and germany, you can see we're in between weather systems here, is the next one here. but we're in that clearer weather. but it will be a chilly day. it'll be a northerly wind with further wintry showers in the north of scotland. now, let's have a look at saturday, then. and on saturday we have a weather front spreading into western parts of the uk. there's still a lot of cold air, particularly in the north. now, this weather front will be very slow to make any progress eastward. so i think by the time we get to the afternoon, that weather front will have only
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reached northern ireland, maybe western fringes of wales and southwestern england. elsewhere, it's a hazy sort of day, but a cold one. and then saturday night there might be a little bit of snow before, on sunday, the next weather system sweeps in. a lot of showers, there's no snow here. it is mostly mild air, really quite mild in the south. double figure temperatures, but a blustery day with gale force winds around coasts and obviously a number of showers spreading across the country on that strong wind. now, next week, this is the pattern of the jet stream. you can see this big bulge in the jet stream. this is a ridge of high pressure to the south. that basically pulls in milder air from the southern climes. so, yes, rough weather out in the atlantic here, but ahead of it, we've got spells of wind and rain. so next week is looking milder. it could be the case that colder air returns for a time, but generally milder and unsettled.
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tonight at ten: gary lineker says he will keep speaking up for those with no voice, after criticism of his comments about the government's asylum plans. the match of the day host claimed the language used to describe the illegal migration bill was "not dissimilar to that used by germany in the 30s". a former bbc editor says it's a difficult situation. clearly, this is damaging for the bbc. it undermines trust in the organisation and undermines its reputation for impartiality, but gary lineker can argue that, as a freelancer, he is entitled to say what he wants when he not broadcasting for the bbc. also on the programme: the new weight loss drug soon to be available on the nhs in england.

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