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the seals solving, ideally his condition remains very serious, but this surgery was aimed at monitoring and treating the individual gunshot wounds in the affected area. i think it will be a few more days before we can definitive beyond this time the direction of his recovery. and yet that's the investigation into the shooting continues. police took the 171 year old man charged with fits. those attempted murder on a search of his home in the central town of livid se. so if i can official say the former security guard and 3rd acted alone, the members of fits those populace. nationalists coalition including and people, spa, saved the liberal opposition, not positively to blame for still king political attentions. of course they didn't sign team. i mean, these are saying they'll kill prime minister about these years of brain washing and these are the most fee of a hatred against the my part in the box you easterel but feet. so it was one of the reason fits those opponents sites, the pro russian leaders, policies that are dividing the country. he wants to end the tree, a to crane,
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change that your district and scrap the public broad costs of the controversial moves that's pumped in weeks of street protests. some during the se, press freedom is one of many points being rooted. there. the vision is that the journalist here are not here to criticize the government, but they're here to serve the government. there is this atmosphere in the society where anything you say basically can be interpreted as an attack. this is somebody must be in the city on search and see is in yeah, the attack on department is to the police shaking people in. so it's like you would many wondering what will happen now, minutes to say the government's running the country as usual. and they hope that fits, they will fully recover, but what can be done to kill political decisions is unclear. so that gives you prison says the attack monks a turning point. the things may never be quite the same. many here agree natasha butler. i'll just say refreshed his lava. as a scientists have made
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a discovery which could explain how the egyptian permits we build an international team for such as says the news to be a branch of the nile river flowing by the apartment complex and visa radius radar satellite imagery. it shows that the river had disappeared. miller, millennia erica, this discovery could explain how millions of heavy stone block, some of the materials were transported to the sides. something archaeologist, i've been considering about for centrals, and that's for me, mccloud. you can find more information on the website i'd 0 dot com. good morning who's coming up right off the we get to the
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. ringback the, the us senate is points to vote on the anti semitism awareness that a bill that some say would conflict criticism of israel with anti semitism. so what would it mean for the movement against israel's war on garza and to jewish communities were happening with fear for their safety. that conversation is coming up. but 1st, as israel continues, it's war on gaza. it's leadership is far from presenting a united front. this board continues to grow within prime minister benjamin netanyahu, whose cabinet, as the government also faces discontent and protest from this rarely citizen. so what lies ahead for the countries leadership and what impact will it have on the pallets been empty? the israeli
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prime minister benjamin netanyahu government has been called the most right wing government since the countries inception. and in the midst of israel's war on gaza, which is now when its 7th month. the pool of the far right agenda has left a pronounced mark when the manner in which the war is being conducted. but these rarely public discontent with this government is growing, as are the divisions within nets and yahoos cabinet itself. so what lies ahead here to speak with us about it is journalist and the editor of is really new site, lo costs or the noises on upfront or the thank you so much for joining us. israel seems to be preparing for a full scale invasion of the southern city of rough, but meanwhile tensions continued to mount between members of the government. with many, from the far right, urging the prime minister to ignore international pressure to call. busy a further assault on the city of norfolk, there been numerous times in the disagreements have come out to the public. they've been airing their disagreements in the public sphere. how deep right now are the
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cracks in these rarely government. let's thank you so much for having me. it's a very problematic composition of, of governments. and the disagreements are quite deep, but not deep enough to really threaten within the i was government, at least not at this point. it is very obvious that the guns and he's camp are the very much not satisfied with the way that that they need out has been handling the war. and they are very, very much aware of the growing public pressure to end the war. not because these really public is so much worried with the whole horrifying massacre disease, or it has been con, conducting in gaza. but rather because there is a growing understanding among these rarely publics, that there is actually no waiting to bring back those among the hostages. that are
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still still alive and, and those who are not without ending the war that's on the other hand, it, and you always very much a hostage, so to speak, in the hands of the ex, treatments in these governments. people like it's about being via but to lead small plate, so it stops and in the so that's very couldn't guarantee us a reference to, but it's up to the, the government. if latonya backs down from a full sledge attack on the roof, off of that seems to be approaching you, you raise an important point here. benjamin that's in. yeah. whose position as prime minister is directly link it's beholden to, hostage to, to use your language and his political alliances with the far right. people like small church and been viewed. but that's what, that's what that's he has always been good at managing those alliances and doing
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what's necessary to stay and offices that continue. which i think that's uh, nathan, you know, i got to caught up with the self image of himself as this, you know, in, in hebrew is very often referred to as the magician, the political magician that can always, you know, make his way as to the most difficult of surfing political circumstances. i don't think that this is the case. any more of it i, there hasn't been a single, reliable opinion. public opinion poll that shows any degree affected of public satisfaction with his conduct as prime minister with the way who's been handling the the war. so, you know, at the best scenario, furniture and yeah, we are talking only to enable him to finish. that's to me,
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there is no future political future for understanding. yeah, this is quite clear for everybody. i'm not sure he's understanding it, but there is no way around it. he cannot, he will not be able to form a government the following the next election. may i ask more? so what i mean is your question about that because we keep talking as if nothing yahoo is gesturing to the right and appealing to the right out of political expediency. but why are we not to believe that he actually is the right wing extremist, that he aligns themself with? and he only appears moderate to uh, to, to, to get more widespread acceptance of me. who is that in yahoo at the core? honestly i don't see it. i mean for me personally it doesn't really match. so there's a match or is a person is promoting fascist, racist of a supremacy policy is because he truly believes in them or just to to accommodate
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his put 22 co partners. i don't think that this is very relevant. the fact is, but that then y'all has been promoting extreme needs all of those uh, policies and not totally visa because uh you said that uh uh mr. neal has been shooting, you know, uh, 2 or directions. he's been provoking of the situation in the north. she's being provoked. seems to be the situation visa v. e ron. he has been promoting extreme anti democratic conduct against the palestinian citizens of these when there is a growing persecution. and because this, the persecution of notes on the palestinian citizens but also of jewish activities. so anybody who you know, expresses any har, reset the, what's going on,
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even john saw or speech in about a genocide. so to, you know, if, if this is really the person or just who's putting to go persona, i don't think that there is a difference anymore. it, it makes any difference at this point. speaking of the far right, the far right has been very vocal in israel over the last week, particularly after a present inviting, announced that he wouldn't be sending any more weapons to israel if they were going to be using a ground evasion in the rough or now of course, since that announcement biden is agreed to send other stuff to you know, oh, billions of dollars over $1000000000.00 in, in aid to israel. so it was a shortly in a moment of frustration for the right, but never the less. when it happened, a security minister, it's more been veered, tweeted, mass loves bite and how may i have heart bided in response when you see this type of rhetoric coming out of these really government and aimed
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at israel's top ally the united states. when critics would argue the us has been very little terrain in israel during this time. how does that impact the international standing of israel? and there is no question that you spend these at the most difficult position i regarding its international position since its establishment 76 years ago. there is no doubt about that. we are losing grounds not . we've only we saw our biggest ally of the united states, but also we split our countries, we school, we have peace treaties and they are burning all of the political breaches of israel. we to forge of for rights ministers in the cabinets. how does no free dodge of for is,
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was international staff to they are really searching for something fundamentally different to be a chipped through chaos through our govern armageddon. and in the time you know who it is, is really a captive right right now in their hands. and that's in yahoo. doesn't have to call for elections until october of 2026. but it's still been a mounting pressure for all the reasons you've mentioned. for him to schedule early elections, he of course has dismissed these uh these, these demands, arguing that israel is at war and that elections would essentially, to use his language, paralyzed hostage negotiations, and that it would bring it in to the war before the goals are completely achieved, how do you respond to this argument from nets in yahoo that effectively he's not going to call for early elections, which is what the people want because it would undermine the stability and growth
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of the country? nope, i think that's following up until the 7th. and the horror and the shock into the rage. that's uh, uh, the is really public salesman. some yeah, i knew that he had to do something drastic. and i think that's in a way his thoughts that massive massacre would ease the sense of re bang. sure. this was very much existing amongst, among these rarely public and therefore in that way reduced the political pressure that he was under. that's the best thing is, is that he promised these really public things that he could never filled. 2 things . one is the return of the hostages, and the 2nd is the ultimate victory. the final victory, the absolute speak 3, which nobody really has any idea of what it is supposed to look like. the big list
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of these to the find the low to absolute, the victory a allows the fall right to sink. oh, to imagine the absolute victory as the final, the in elation of gospel street. and we should really be aware of that, that there are people in these when not so few that understand that is really victory as the ultimate to 9 nations of the gaza strip. and this among other is what brought us to it is the international court of justice or the noir. and we thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. back the, the anti semitism awareness act is points for a vote in the us senate to pass in the house earlier this month by a large majority. the bill with right into law, the international holocaust remembrance, alliances definition of anti semitism which civil liberties groups 8,
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will both suppress criticism of the state of israel and make it more difficult to address the actual anti semitism. pro israel politicians have been pushing for the bill since 2016, but appear to be capitalizing on the climate of fear that it has arisen in recent months or with demonstrations against israel's continued war on guys. so what will this mean for pro palestinian organizing as well as for conversations around anti semitism? joining us to discuss this is read by j michael since he is a contributing calling this for the forward. and we also have last treatment with this president of the foundation for middle east peace. thank you both for joining me. laura. i'm actually going to start with you if past this bill is going to write the international holocaust remembrance alliances. a definition of anti semitism into federal law saying that quote, anti semitism is a certain perception of use which may be expressed as hatred towards use. now this girl seems like a pretty benign definition. but human rights watch the c o u american civil
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liberties union and, but selling these really human rights group and others are sounding the alarm over the adoption of an i h r a definition. why or so that the battle or on the ice or i definition of had to semitism has been going on, as you said, since 2016. and it really isn't over the sentence you read. although experts on anti semitism will say that that sentence is badly written and doesn't really say much. the battle is really around a set of examples that are appended to that definition. and there's controversy over how they became appended to it. but those, those examples of the majority of them deal not with hatred or discrimination or threats or violence against jews as jews. they deal with criticism of israel and this is the latest controversy. this isn't the 1st with the anti semitism awareness act, is that this is really a self effort to redefine anti semitism to not only include criticism of as well, but just focus on and prioritize it. and then have that as
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a weapon against palestine rights activism against organizing and even against jewish people around the world to criticize as well. because according to that definition, examples, for example, if you're an organization like mine which focuses only on israel palestine or narrowly focused, people argue, well that means you're anti semitic because under the ira definition, criticism is deemed to be anti semitic. if you are not equally criticizing all others who are guilty of similar bad behavior, which is sort of like saying, you can't have an organization that focuses only on the welfare of say, elephants. if you focus on the welfare and elephants, it means your anti, the welfare of every other organism, every other animal, right? it's, it's, there's something in name about this to suggest that in order to criticize, in order to engage in criticism of israel, you have to be an anti semite that, that's what it's setting up as an argument j. what do you say to the person who pushes back to that argument?
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that large is laid out and says, yeah, but there has to be some room uh to criticize a very real practice of isolation. for example, if we criticize israel for having an imperfect democracy, right? all the nations in the world they call themselves democratic are imperfect democracies. but if we only focus on israel's then that represents an example of isolation and exceptionalism and ultimately anti semitism. what do you say to people who say that these kinds of double standards are the problem? well, i think the question is whether it is a double standard. i mean, israel is so uniquely situated, some of the countries of the world's leading recipient of us foreign aid. it has a lot, there is a whole special relationship between the countries. there are many reasons why one might focus on the imperfect democracy to use your phrase in israel, rather than somewhere else. it's just, it's just as far as that, there are many reasons why you might want to focus on the, let's say, misdeeds or, or actions of one country and not necessarily another. and again,
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israel as is reliant on american foreign aid. so these things are happening on our dime. the ira definition has no space for any of that nuance. now, j, if the bill is past the, the department of education is going to be required to use the i h r a definition. when judging anti semitism complains within american universities and against universities, it will also result funding for schools that failed to discipline or even ban events. uh professors uh, campus groups who speak out against israel. now jewish parents, warren's us, that we're seeing and unfolding what they call maro panic, that power those the red squares or the 19 twenties and the 1950s. how do you see it? i mean, i, i describe this as a moral panic back in december, january, where we saw university presidents hauled before our congressional committee in a process designed to trap them. and i think what's interesting about moral panic is it is a panic. there are
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a lot of reasons and i think it's important make space for those. there are a lot of reasons why americans choose do feel profoundly unsettled right now. obviously october 7th and the unprecedented hires of that day. and then also the ways in which many of our allies in the progressive community either did or didn't respond. uh, and then the rupture of both legitimate, i would say anti israel protests and illegitimate anti semitism. and american shoes are in this really heightened state. and it's very, it's a very tough time that a lot of people are experiencing, and that condition is being weaponized by opportunists, primarily on the right to further their own ends, which are ends, which are really about attacking all kinds of a university education, attacking what they see, is instruments of liberal culture and indoctrination and so forth that jews have been enlisted in this war on work. is there a tremendously cynical i think exploitation of the real pain that so many american jews are feeling right now? a lot there's been a pattern in recent years of defining anti semitism very,
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very broadly in the us. the anti defamation league has tally the near 400 percent increase in anti submitting incidents since october. this number, however, explicitly counts all palestinian solidarity activism is anti semitic. spring opposition from the inside of the atm, you have a ppo stand for say hey, this is too broad, we're going to far, that's a red flag. what does this trend mean for, for, for efforts to actually combat anti semitism? look, i mean, as we move further and further away from what is the common sense understanding of what is anti semitism which really boils down to threats, discrimination against violence, against hatred of jews because they are jewish and you move further and further into conflicting being jewish with supporting israel, which let's remember, has always been considered anti semitic. you open the door for a whole new surge of real anti semitism which you don't record and you're not
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watching because you're given cover to it by saying, well, they support israel, so they're not anti semitic. and by the way, we're much more worried. and if you look at the last couple 80 l reports, you'll see that even in their huge thirds, they're saying of what they call into some of doesn't. the majority of anti semitism of their recording is not related to what they call israel, or, or hatred, or protest against israel's treatment of palestinians. it's actual hatred against jews. but if you read the headlines, all they're focusing on is the palestinian rights protests criticism that is around what it's doing in gaza. they're prioritizing that and the fight against that. above all else. well 1st that's picking up our leverage aside. if you compare the anti semitism that is present in some quarters of the far left to what's happening in the far right, we've got a holocaust deniers being the republican nominee for the governor of north carolina . that if this, that is a way, more serious threat, i feel as
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a rabbis to my own safety to the safety of american choose, then any, you know, anti semitic a events that happened on a college campus. you know, by a lone activists here there by somebody who has, who was maybe even coming, you know, from the outside and, and kind of trying to stir up trouble. there is just no comparison. there's no, there's no democratic equivalent with, you know, donald trump, dinings nic fuentes, for example, noted white supremacists and indeed anti semite and neo nazi, basically. so there's just, it's, it's, there's sort of a comparison or an equation of occasional over steps on the left or i would say, i do think i do think that at some campuses didn't, protestors could do a better job of drawing clear lines, making sure that no individual jewish students are being harassed in any way, making sure that no conspiratorial claims about, do you know, some jewish conspiracy controlling politics are made in any way. however,
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the vast majority of those protests are at the appalling nature of the war and gaza . and i may agree or disagree with, you know, everything, some active assess, but that is a political protest obviously. and i want to add one thing, which is, you know, i think it might be helpful for viewers to kind of see where some of the jewish students are coming from on these campuses. you know, i grew up in the conservative jewish movement kind of the middle of the road in terms of religion, ya city in america and zionism, not just love of the land of israel or historical ties plans as well. but political scientism was part of my jewish education and it became part of my jewish identity when i was a teenager. and to see that attacked can make a lot of folks feel as though they were being personally attacked. and so i think it would be helpful to just sort of what do we do it that that's there's a lot of, i can say, what do we do with that logic? right. so if we say right political zionism was baked into this in the same way that maybe slaveholding was baked into, you know, early american, you know,
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education isn't for white americans, right? in any disruption people's way of life can be unsettling. and it can, they can feel as a personal attack, but at the marlin political levels, how do we respond to the fact that people personalize those things? you know, that's right. i don't love that analogy, but even so i think there's, yeah, that just because somebody feels as though they may be being targeted because of their identity, that doesn't mean that that's what's actually happening. i think we could both both sides so to speak, could do with a little more empathy of what's happening. i think your students on campus uh do feel as though they're under attack. we could put kind of understand that subjective experience without weaponized thing it. and in listing the role of the federal government to police speech into punish campuses that don't punish free speech. right? that's clearly not the way to deal with the pain that people are feeling. i think it could also and, and conversely, people who were concerned about these protests and who were scared by these protest could use a bit more empathy of the with the protestors let alone with the people and guys of
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course and could see where they're actually coming from but in neither case should the power of the states and the power of the purse strings and also the criminal power, you know, the power of the state to, to, to punish crime, being listed to patrol political speech lout. journalist musher guessing has pointed out that even the acclaimed german jewish philosopher, honda, all right, would be labeled anti semitic under the h r. a definition. specifically, the portion that deems quote, comparisons of contemporary is rarely policy to that of the nazis. 1 rent widely considered when the 20th century is great, as scholars on anti semitism, genocide and holocaust once compared to jewish is really power military group to the nazis were attacking and killing in error village. if this does become the legal definition of anti semitism, where does the ultimate lead use or critical design is of all i mean, much like the debate around the demonstrators and the protests right now. it's effectively invisible lives of jewish people who are critical of as early in
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effectively deems them not existing in the debate or themes, i'm not jewish. and therefore, legitimate to and, and we have terms that have come up in recent years like, and you, or, you know, as you mean, or as soon as i'm china, no jew in name only. i mean, there is a new framework being being brought in by some parties who really want zionism to be. judy isn't. which says that if you are not an ardently zionist you, you're not really jewish. and by contrast, if you aren't jewish, but are ardently zion is, you are kind of jewish or more jewish than the jews who criticize. so we're in this moment of great irony is where, you know, you have this enormous pressure. a lot of it from forces like the ideal but also forces like the anti woke. right. and we're not particularly interested in jewish safety saying you must pass this to protect jews even as it will, you know, invisible as a large part of the jewish population. united states and other places,
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and an israel that is extremely critical of israel and does not believe that zion is in is exactly the same as being jewish, larry freedman, rabbi j. michelson. thank you both so much for joining me in upfront everybody. that is our show upfront, we'll be back the on counting the costs. india's income inequality gap, his wife makes. so how can poor people get the share of the wealth? how much does the us spend in foreign aid and does about funding help to boost global stability? plus why zambia has banned charcoal production problems? counting the cost on it, which is 0. what's most important to me is talking to people understanding what they are going through here though, just either. we believe everyone has a story we're hearing business latest is real. do you believe?
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