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refusing to have any part in the war. crimes committed by israel. but what kind of impact and this growing movement have, and how is big tech reacting today? we're talking with zelda montez, a no tech for a part height activist, and software engineer who aspired from google last week for protesting its dealings with israel. and paul, bigger a software developer and entrepreneur who recently founded the tech for palestine initiative. thank you so much to both of you for joining us. and let me just start with useful that i'd like our audience to have a deeper understanding of what i just commented on about, you know, the many different dimensions that software firms, social media firms, our, we're all talking about algorithms with a i. but how does a way in to this moment in the gaza is real crisis or yeah, so i think that um, for example, like, specifically a google um with project numbers, which is a 1200000000 dollar contract with these early government and military. i think what

we see a lot of is, is um, military contracting, basically happening with different governments. um, in this case, google providing ads. the is really government and not being honest about the use cases in which they're supposed to be used. they say all of the time that this isn't directed at military use. but nonetheless, we see very concerning reporting coming out of palestine about the use of ai and surveillance palestinians. and making a kill is the palestinians, such as with lavender in, in tracking, that killed list with where's daddy, and also targeting buildings and infrastructure issues such as with the gospel. so i am starting to notice a lot of this aligning with when uh, product numbers was signed with the israeli government. but back in 2021. we haven't seen the scale of mass destruction that we're seeing happening in goes up until this year until last year. um and that aligns with the timing of entering

that contract and as a tech worker, it's very concerning to me that this a i is being created by workers may not know the impacts of what their labors having on the world. in the past, the sale, the, the google ceo center pitch, i said we are not in the business of war, but are used basically saying your company was in the business of war a. i think it, it, it currently is in and beyond just project nimbus. um, google hires contracts with the us department of defense. and there has been a, a history of anti militarism organizing amongst workers. and maybe google hasn't been directly in the business of war in the past, but they have tried and it's only been because of employee pushed back because of employee organizing that that hasn't happened sooner. and what we're seeing now is a response to, to, to our efforts to say no, no tech for genocide, no tech for

a part. they know tech for warfare, no tech for oppression or surveillance. and at this point, i think like google has completely lost the idea of building for everyone at this point. they really are just building for profit, even if that means at the expense of human lives. paul, i read a uh, a post that you wrote, very powerful, one called i can't sleep, i recommend people look for it and read it. and it's, it raises something i've been struggling with myself cuz i have many, many contacts and friends in silicon valley. and the truth is that most of my friends think they are working on things that will advance a society that will make the world a better place that will solve you know, many problems. and i guess my question to you is, what is happened from your perspective? with the conscience and soul of silicon valley right now as you see it with this particular conflict, but with wars and complex in general. and i think that silicon valley does, does think of itself as building for, for the future. and i'm trying to build for,

for growth and scale and in ways that makes the world a better place. but i think that what exactly it means to make the world a better place is very much rooted in us narratives. so the united states has, has always been on a team. israel has always been you know, putting aside the needs of the past indians and ignoring the needs of, of the other people who are, who are oppressed there. and so when they say, you know, we're making the world a better place, what it means is making the world a better place for america and for america's allies. so, you know, it's, it's hard to look at this in a way that isn't rooted in your as long as the 5 year, for example, which is, which has prompted to midnight. it states, especially since $911.00. if it's something where the, the, you know that they're talking about a bad counseling tech talk, for example, the fact that they have narrow bands, tick tock. and the reason is because the tick tock, even though it is a free speech mechanism, it is

a free speech mechanism that goes against the needs of the united states. whereas the other social media and i works, for example, google linked in and meta are all a sensor in the, towards the needs ignited states. so it's never really been a bad. we're making something that's great for everybody it's, it's really been a badge. the, you know, we are making things for the united states and, and honestly for 4 months to how does yeah, i know, go ahead please. zohler. yeah, i wanted to add that. i think a lot of times when engineers are told to build something, there is not a lot of critical thought about how that technology might eat misuse. so i think that like engineers tend to trust their executives. and i think back when google was an engineering company and not a business company, that may have been true that you could trust your leadership to build something that was actually supposed to try to make the world a better place. but at this point, we know we've seen our executives that google,

for example, lied to us countless times about how the technology is being used. and i think it's really critical for engineers to also use questioning skills to say, okay, i my building a drawing to deliver, you know groceries to someone and how might that be misuse if we add a weapon to that drone and now it's being used to kill people instead, i think that most times engineers aren't in positions where they are directly impacted by the technology that they build. um, because most of the time where and incredibly privilege spaces. um, so we're not really the ones that are experiencing the impression that comes from that technology. and i think that that's why like from an education perspective, it's really important for engineers to, to be questioning our leadership to hold them accountable. and to make sure that the intent in which we build the things is actually being carried out in that way. paul, what in your experience made this crisis apply to palestinians right now?

um, something that you wanted to invest your career and credibility and, and it's, it's something where there is an objective wrong. the, the oppression of the pal students, the, the showings of, at this point 41000 palestinians is the official number. and the fact that tact is, is directly involved in it, right? the tech is not a quiet participant, and that tech is being extremely vocal and it's coming out on, on the side of the oppressor. and you're personally, someone who's on an irish coming from uh, people whose identity is, is historically impressed. yeah, this isn't something that we can stand beside is all that, let me ask you something about a project nimbus and the internal culture right now at google. google is a massive company with massive capacity and outreach in the world. but is there an

awareness that's developing among employees as you just said, that they need to pay attention somewhat to what their great ideas and their innovations are going to be applied to? yeah, i think that there's definitely an effort. i think that no tech for parts side was really, is really still trying to do that to in the context of specifically project nimbus . but beyond that, to raise questions of, if this, if this is a contract that google has signed, what other contracts might we not know about? what kind of transparency are we not receiving as employees? and how might our labor be use without our consent in ways that are going to hurt people? and i think that or the sit in action was especially powerful because there is a culture of trying to silence that. those sorts of questions that kind of defend um and it, we had res, through appropriate channels for, for years about project name base about like, hey, this is what these really government is saying. and this is what google

spokespeople are saying about how the contract is being used and they are not lining up. so we just kind of want some answers about this. and none of the leadership really wanted to engage with our questions. and at that point, like it took being disruptive in the workplace, it took like actually making a lot of a lot of um oh yeah, like take taking over the narrative and saying you can't silence or questions. these are valid questions to be asked and it took bravery to do that. um, it's a bravery for i was one of the 9 people who also got a rest in it. it took bravery to it to say, i'm not leaving until product name is dropped or until like you, you support me out of here and i know that that serves a bigger purpose than just me because i see now so many people reach out to me saying hey, i saw what you did and i want to join no tech for parts. i like how do i get involved, even in the face of all the refreshing that were that we've been experiencing as well. you were speaking about the bravery of those who have taken it, but what is the after effect the day after feel like?

yeah, well i feel like, personally i have been experiencing actually a lot of a processment and tossing and spying in the office for speaking up very lovely in the office about project and base and trying to spread awareness about it. i had ended up filing 14 h r concerns that didn't really get addressed whatsoever. and for me, part of taking that risk and knowing that, um that there was very likely for me a potential to lose my job because i was willing to risk arrest. i already knew that google didn't care about me. that doesn't make it too much easier. um, i have only been working and i've only been out of college for like almost 2 years at this point and very early in my career. but, but i think that any of the opportunities that i might lose right now, i will be worth it in the, in the grand scheme of things i, i think that it serves again like a purpose much bigger than mine i. i will figure things out on the right doors will

open up and the ones that have to stay close will stay closed. i personally don't have any interest in working for any place that wouldn't allow me to speak up and say, no tech for genocide. i think that good riddance with those places. um but nonetheless it is, it is something that i that i am leaning into my community a lot for support because there is community there. and i think that that's like about building the trust with the people around to make sure that you're facing these things alone. 5 years ago, there was a project, there was an, a project at the department of defense that google was very much of part of called project maven. and in that case, google's leaders did, in fact, join with its workers and it's engineers, and it withdrew from that project. what do you think has changed or do you think they're different in some way that that google maintained is a role in project nimbus now and, and,

and did something different 5 years ago. um, i think honestly it says one of us will be a huge part of it, is this lemma phobia. its the fact that um, the kinds of lives that no tech for par side are speaking up for and in defense of our not the lives that the united states government and google particularly care about their lives that have been already rendered indispensable by, by this current society here in the united states, and for many of us, we know that that's not the real case. we know that all of those lives matter. we know that i personally have felt so much immense grief around all of the death and destruction that we've seen coming out of guys that but i also think that it's an element of money. we've seen these companies grow so much more money hungry and even at the expense of, of i don't, i don't think that google cares about their workers the way that they used to say

that they did. um, we see that as well with the layoffs. and so if google is almost at 2 trillion dollars evaluation and they're still having layoffs, even though theoretically, they really never needs a way anybody off. i think that just shows that they don't care as much about the workers as, as, as they knew about the money that they're able to make for the execs to be able to continue to empower all their other platforms and technologies that are, are part of this picture that you've written about and, and commented on, one of them is whatsapp. what's app is a hugely popular communications device. how is whatsapp being woven into this war situation and ways that are public should be aware of? so i think the thing, so it's a realize a lot like zelda is saying very leadership and, and the workers are, are not on the same page. they're, they're actually is fundamentally within all of these organizations, a desire to be pro israel within google. there are an awful lot of people who are there. this is all i mentioned, all the,

all the harassment that you was facing internally that's, that's something that we're here. it's in every social media company and every big tech company, which, wherever the leadership are actively taking the side of those around, they're actively taking the side of genocide. so it's something where you're in, in, in the case of, of what's up it's, it's sort of unclear exactly where israel is getting lots of data for making the, that the bombings thought that were described in, in the 1st 9 is certainly to article on lavender. but what is clear is dot matta is not doing anything about it. it is not protecting it to users. it is not protecting its workers from harassment from other workers who, who are approaches. busy it's something where, where fundamentally, there myself and self mentioned design gonna probably be a, that's certainly part of it. but it's also part of it is that these, these companies are hugely pro israel with a huge number of workers,

both in israel and in the u. s. a who, who are aligned with walk israel is doing and it's very, very disproportionate to that. but let me ask you, let me interrupt you here for a minute. so this is one of the things i don't understand is, is i can understand that pro is real stance inside a tech company. why aren't they demanding precision, as opposed to indiscriminate killing and bombing? this indiscriminate killing and bombing is the point. if you look before october 7th, right, this has been going on 75 years. no tech for part time was found as long before october 7th. the reason that they were trying to do is because there is no par side in the west. thank adding jobs or jobs that has been block hated since 2005. the killing was have cut been happening for decades. the 2000 people were killed in in 2021 and the last 4. there was a war in 2014. so israel has been doing this for a long, long time, and the, the people who are, yeah you,

you might describe yourself as pro as well. but i think you're, you're describing yourself maybe in a different sort of pro israel, a light. what you're saying is that the, the people of israel have to have the right to life. and, and of course we have, we all agree with us. but what is, what is actually happening here is pro, is really policy. i'm the really, paul that has always been onyx thing, the west bank of taking over guys of taking over the entire land that was formerly palestine. and so when we're talking about pro has their own profile. so i'm, we're talking to a very different things, but talking about, you know, supporting israeli political policy, which is a bags taking over the lines from the palestinians. and when we say pulse stands, we're really talking about the approach humanity, pro, freedom for quality, zelda we've been seeing these graphic pictures of struggles over college campuses and battles over essentially freedom of expression and freedom of protest. um, what's your take on that and how aligned, are you or not with some of what we're seeing on campuses around the country. yeah,

well i was at columbia university yesterday. so i feel like i'm with the students i, i am seeing the way that the, the, the united states is responding to all of this. they are really scared of worker power. they're really scared of student power. because students are also the future workers. and if they have that same energy brought into their workplace, is they're not going to be able to just tell employees to do as, as, as, as the, as their employer wishes. there's going to be a sense of, of questioning their and what i'm seeing in terms of google arresting their own employees in terms of college campuses calling of state trooper, for example in, in, in university texas or calling cops and their own students as well. is that they are afraid that the world power is afraid of what is taking place in these campuses in there. and they're afraid of, of the tides that are shifting right now. and they're employing any means necessary

for that repression. and they are trying to, to, to, to have people be afraid to speak up and to know what is right and to act within what is right and, and what we're seeing even more beautifully is, is resistance to that fear and is community and response of that fear and is finding joy with one another despite the fact that these violent mechanisms are being employed against us. well, what are the reform strategies? i mean, the technology world is so intertwined, and particularly among allies like the united states and israel, but also, but europe in that camp, japan. and you've got a lot of networks where it's just, we have a world where it's very, very hard to just say we're, we're no longer entwined. how do you be responsible today? a person of conscience in the tech world? what sorts of reforms do you want to see applied to this? yeah, i think that needs to be an awful lot of folks with arms book, some summit on the side of a i, we need to to be focused on responsible a i,

we need to have international agreements in the same way that we did after world war 2 after guys are we asked to look at and say, how is a i being used? how is automation being used in attacks against civilians? and i think we need to say that no point. sure to any day i be involved in any way in making a life or death decision. so that, that, that's one side of it. i think the other side of it is that we need to shine some light on everything that has been happening for this for through ads, all of the big tech companies and be open a batch the, the mechanisms of suppression. so the, the social media suppression in particular, how does it happen? who is the fact that his thumb is on the, is on the button who has control, who is able to make the decisions? because right now, the decisions are being made by a very, very small number of people, and those people are, are very aligned with each other and it's, it's the same movement that we see in,

you know, every university is cracking down on students in the same way why does that every big tech company is cracking down on the profile, sending content in the same way? every congressman is cracking down on on route, for example, or israel? why are all these things happening in the same way a real quickly last comment to use elda? as an active is no tech for a part hide. how will you know whether you're making success of your gaining ground or not? i feel like we are making ground. we're seeing a lot of resistance to that sir. um, i'm noticing, like i said, a lot of people have reached out have been interested in joining no tech for a part side, even in the face of all the repression, even in the face of the firings, even in the face of the arrest. i am also noticing that for me i part of part of why i did the sit in was because i wanted to see google held accountable and not just google tech companies in general held accountable for their profit and

complicity in the genocide. and i'm already starting to see, i think the candidate house of commons that recently had a hearing or something about putting forward a motion to have google answer to the fact that they provided a statement in december of 2023. saying that project name is, wasn't directed at military use and that time magazine reported otherwise. and this was 2 days after our sit in, i think that we are making waves in, in the media and in people's hearts and minds. i think that we're inspiring people to take a stand even if it means doing a hard thing that where there's risk associated. and i think ultimately i want to see workers rise up and, and take and take control of their own labor again. and to bring this struggle into the, the workplace is because, um, google isn't the only place that is complicit in this genocide that is profiting from this genocide and ultimately as workers who have the power to end it. well, thank you to your both for your can during your time, today's elder montes x,

google employee with no tech for a part hide in paul, bigger founder of tech for palestine. thank you so much to both of you for joining us. thanks for having us. thank you. so what's the bottom line? instead of honoring the bravery of young people across america in the world who are actually thinking for themselves and speaking their conscience, the exact opposite is happening. many private companies are creating a climate of fear and retribution when people there to speak about palestine and universities are inviting military style police to break up peaceful protests against israel's foreign gaza. work companies that did business with south africa during a part i complicit in. propping up that racist state. yes, they were a growing number of american thinkers and politicians are saying that history is repeating itself now with israel. the broad tech industry is interwoven with american national security and it doesn't like to make choices of what conflicts they are in or where the red line should be. what that's exactly what should start

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