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universities have for decades to adopt for what they believed and from fighting for social justice on equal rights to pushing back against global was. they've made the voices had. and now the speaking out against as well as will on gauze, which has killed more than fuzzy, 4000 people. in the past 6 months, the protests which began in new york's columbia university intensified last week. the police cracked down followed close the and get to spread to all the universities in the us and even to europe and australia. the students say the right to protest is being crushed and these demonstrations may have an even bigger impact since it's an election. yeah, in the united states, we'll get the thoughts of august in just a moment for us patsy cohan, broke into our coverage from one protest to george washington university. and this in cabin is unique because here during the washington university, it didn't exist until thursday morning. the students said they were encouraged to do this because of what happened at columbia. and this is also unique,

and this isn't just george washington. this is students from 8 different schools, universities all around the washington area where their main demand is the investments. these are some of the wealthiest schools that the large developments in the country. they want to see more transparency and exactly what they invest in . and also they want to see them divest from any company that does business with israel. and again, that's just one of many demand, and you'll notice since they've been hanging out mask, so the students, that's because many of them the profile, so name purchased to say they've been docs, they've had their pictures put on trucks and driven around campus and their information puts online so a lot of masks because there is concern about repercussions that said they say they're not going to go anywhere until their demands are met. patty calhane, washington dc for inside story. so let's take a closer look at why university campuses have become a focal point for growing on positions. the will on garza students at columbia

university in new york setup and gone. so solidarity and comments on april 17th, it appears that tends on campus a day off the columbia present minish suffolk faced a congressional hearing on allegations of anti semitism at the university. she then called in police to discuss the protest as well that a 100 students were arrested in the crackdown, but another comp sprang up, protest of sense and brought to them at least 30 campuses around the us escalating tensions and sparking debates about freedom of speech. students and demanding the university caught financial ties with companies and a weapons manufacturer as profiting from as well as war last spring. and i guess now and then all joining us from the united states in new york, we have to tell how palestinian gentlest and student at the columbia university graduate school of journalism in austin, texas. we'll be hearing from jeremy story, a story and, and professor for global leadership,

history and public policy at the university of texas at austin and then washington political strategist. i'm full met, senior, congressional aid, rena shaw. thank you very much. all of you for being with us, jude. let's start with you. you can give us an idea of the current situation, the at columbia university on this friday morning, as we record the show because this is where it all began with deadlines to clear that come can't be extended us on. thank you so much for having me. absolutely, columbia is where the original encampment took place. i was there for the pitching of the original tense on the south, long before they decided to move to the opposite line after arrest. the situation inside the campus is quite a different from the situation outside the campus. what we're seeing right now is students are settling in to the encampment. there are groups of people forming.

there's a lot of community being grown inside. a lot of patients. a lot of um, activities that show solidarity with us, it was palestine. protests and chance can be heard obviously outside the campus and outside the campus is quite a different story. protests for palestine have been prevalent since day one of the encampment yesterday. we saw a huge pro is rarely probe test that was organized by 2 extremists from what i've seen on social media is pro, is really, professors were surrounding campus and why pd was present. and cans were heard for and support of israel with bring the hostages home. meanwhile, inside um service, some pro palestinian students were facing the day and they were getting called names. we heard a few slurs while i was reporting out there. of the tensions are high outside the campus, but inside the encampment, solidarity is on an extreme high. there is

a level of peace inside the encampment. students are familiar with each other. they are comfortable, you know, it's not easy being outside the weather in new york has been should be, uh um, but students have been dedicated in their demands. they are asking that everyone center as it, especially when they are talking about the reasoning of the encampment and especially under suppression. they're pretty united and stating that all those through them. usually they have a concern, but they the account is going to get clad. there are concerns certainly negotiations are happening as far as we know. last night we received an email that negotiations are happening and that and n y, p d sweep is not in sight for yesterday. everybody's a new day. negotiations are being updated quite a frequently the campus has a general assembly nearly every night to announce to students or, and they get mad about updates. as far as we know,

we have not heard anything as for today. okay, jeremy, let's get the idea of the situation of the university of texas where you will, how is the university responding to protests the so the university brought in police to the campus, particularly state police as well as city police and university police on wednesday . and this made the situation worse, i would say that on our campus, there are a lot of students who are very concerned about what's happening in the middle east . majority are probably more concerned about the treatment of civilians in gaza and elsewhere. but there's a very large contingent that's also concerned about israel security, and that is really hostages. we're still being held by home us. so the campus has a lot of concern that's being boys, but it has been peaceful. there are no encampments, there was a demonstration on wednesday and the police were brought it to campus. and as i've written about the arrival of the police made things worse, it provoked students and provoked violence with us both via a wireless,

between the police and the students. most of the violence came from the police yesterday was much more calm. they were larger demonstrations, but they were peaceful and there was very little police presence on campus. so, so far we've had expressions of concern from students, a relatively divided campus, but a campus that is not at war with itself. and we've had a very little wilds. okay. a reno gets more onto the crack sound and just a moment for sports, when it gets your ideas, we will feelings about the student protests that really has spread across so many university campuses. you surprise to see the speed and, and the intensity with which it's taking hold. this is democracy and action. and i actually think it's a very beautiful thing because as a long time political, it's spider operative. i can tell you this year of being a presidential election year. so what's on the line here and easy to cited states. one thing that is seemingly widespread has been voter apathy so far because we have

the same 2 choices we had in 2020. the american voter in general bought something new every few years and we don't have that this time around. so what we're seeing again is uh, is a lot of worry amongst those of us, of the political clash that really want to see political participation. we're wondering what turnout is going to be like, how the electric field as what i see and move it like this. the students taking a peaceful, non violent actions, expressing their concern about the us government, backing of israel a we're more tax peer don't always. i think that the stream we help each and that's not a partisan statement to make. it's just say that this is what's enshrined our constitution, the ability to assemble peacefully, the ability to use your voice, democracy in the streets as an incredible incredible thing. and so i am supportive of the students doing so non violently and peacefully again because this expression again speaks to what is going to be so important on the ballot in november. okay,

well then what, what do we make of the things jump in that because what do you make of the response then to these protests that have by and large as you say being peaceful? well, i can speak to the congressional response for republic into the house chamber. when they went to columbia university's campus, i was taken aback. number one, i just let our audience to know that that is such an unusual move. we've not seen the modern era as somebody who is served to former republican members, the house. if i were still there advising, i would have absolutely advised against it and said it was a bad move on top of it. the word of the speaker and the other members of the house that they were delivering on a private campus calling for the reservation of the president, speaking to students in a way that painted all of that with a broad brush speaking to is beating down to them i mean, the students, no matter where you book from coast to coast, they are the future of this country. these people are elected to serve as your

representative. and for them to take that tone, that all of these students assembled were part of the hate field speech. i get it there are bad actors and every move it we should conduct them, but not all students assembled. and these tend to chance bids are out there wanting to salt their fellows. you were students, they are all out there. can sort of get about america's role and backing. maybe that young while on the one hand, you're supplying weapons and funds to do what he wants to do and god that without listening to bided. and on the other hand, we're sending billions in a humanitarian aid to gaza. this is a hypocrisy the students are concerned about and the rational leader and continue giving unfettered support to is real simply on the basis of all of their religion, i think is a horrible move. and that's not recognizing the separation of church and state. i. yeah, i mean, i just wanna jump in that because 2 inches of the at columbia university, where the republican, how speak i'm like, don't send, visited on wednesdays, is what we know was just talking about what the students feelings towards

a public. i'm johnson's visit that i'm to be quite honest. there wasn't much of the reaction from the encampment as far as i was there. a lot of the students are varies very focused on their demands. they're very focused on upholding community guidelines. and they're very focused about they believe that what they're doing is right. you know, they believed that their voices should be heard. they come from a legacy of student protesters and they are less concerned with freedom of speech, of what the person said. they're just kind of concerned more so about what's happening in hudson, they're complicity. and that i think the, the expected this response, however, it did not really face much the conversations and then and then came at. we're very much so so focused on the, on the investment on building community and how to further their solidarity was

palestine. and that's been the focus as far as i've been there. okay, jeremy, and another example of politicians getting involved. there are quite a few that we'll get to, but this one is the take the texas does not greg alberts cooling these demonstrations anti semitic all day. a, you know, there are certain anti semitic elements invoices that have been heard. there has been some vandalism of the hello center at u t with um, actually submitted the cd and things of that sort. so there had been instances of anti semitism, but certainly on wednesday when the police were called in uh that demonstration happened to be behind my office and them in my office right near where that and i, i was outside for about 45 minutes to an hour during the demonstration, when the police went into the demonstration and i did not hear a single anti semitic chance, i did not see a single anti semitic sign. these were students arguing for free palestine, and then they were jewish students. they're arguing for freeing the hostages,

and in that case, the video that you're showing now, uh that was a reaction to a demonstration that was free speech. and that was not anticipating. entered. what about here of about on colombia, what evidence of you seeing if any of anti semitism may have been a couple of instances that have spent quite widely on that media. for example, of assigned being held up pointing towards pro israel student saying this is, these are how massive next target. so we noticed and things like that really don't help the close today or what i've seen in the encampment. there is a very large jewish presence juice. where's the service had been essential for the the solidarity encampment in columbia. what i've also seen is there was a press conference held by jewish students who were suspended or arrested outside the president's house, where they verbalize that they do not feel comfortable with their jewish voices being used and designing spaces, or used as an excuse for what's happening in the,

let's say, i do know that a certain instances have gone viral. i would like to emphasize that the instances have so far been outside of the encampment and there are a lot of, there was a lot of presence, especially in the early days of protel assign protesters that we're entering in and out of campus. you know, campus is locked down and access is restricted, but that does not mean that necessarily everyone that is coming in and out as a student. i will also say that certain chance that have been going borrow all taking place outside the campus inside the campus. the saw there it is extremely high between uh, as far as i am, is jewel students and pro palestinian students. and then cabinet is set up to be accessible to all and it's very affordable in the even the services that are being provided there. there is a food table that has food nearly for everyone. there's kosher fluid,

there's allowed fluid. so i do want to say that although these instances have happened inside the encampment on the especially jewish voices inside the cabinet, are insisting that the focus should not be on their feelings. it should go back to us. there was an outside the encampment. yesterday's protest um was quite surprising cuz a few of the demonstrators, um, so we're saying remarks that don't necessarily align with the broader idea of what pros rarely professors. busy thing i think and movements such as this one, there is a lot of people present that not don't necessarily all share the same values. however, in the got the other the encampment, the instances of anti semitism, i have not been able to see or pinpoint and i haven't been, i haven't been there nearly every day. okay. for most the day reporting right now when you, when you head jude's account of the situation on jeremy's accounts, the situation down that in texas it doesn't seem like there's much of

a problem with these protests. and yet we've got politicians making more of it then perhaps is necessary. why of the presidents of these universities being hold in front of congressional committee hearings to explain the stones on anti semitism the law. unfortunately, we exist in that they are, were pure political theater seems to when a political points for, for people who sit at the highest purchase of our landed leadership. and there is no other explanation, but that, you know, look on the republican side, even this past fall, if you paid attention to the republican primary debates in which the former governor of south carolina and for were you in, in bassett, or did you leave was successful in many ways, she talked about the israel being americans only allied in the region. and i talked to a number of democrats over the years as well, especially this past week. and they saying that they don't think by and is taking a different approach than any american president. what i think done was that the

core of the here, the students and even regular everyday americans like me, feel very, very strongly that the approach we take into dealing with benjamin netanyahu is rock the by going can do well, has had a group drop approach to the geo political attention we're seeing in ukraine we're seeing again in gaza. i don't feel that there is much leadership of the wheel and again, this is across the board. so okay, what we're seeing right, that frustration coming to the force and what i think is most important though, is to remember what former president trump said he would do. he said he would broker piece in the middle east or his son in law. he did not, we are so far away from the 8 solution. it is laughable, but this is the final point. just in the past few weeks. we've released audio as well as i think on the record statements. i could be wrong about that from president of warner, present drop, excuse me, would get as a candidate right now for the white house. see that being human that yahoo should call this off. this is not good. he needs to bring this to an end. right. okay.

jeremy, i can say i want him to jump in the and well, i think this is actually about something larger than the middle east for the last 2 to 3 years. many politicians have been attacking universities and the same politicians who today are saying that universities like columbia and the university of texas to track down on an anti semitic speech. as i see, it are the same politicians who 2 or 3 years ago said we didn't have enough free speech, but there weren't enough voices for conservatives on our campus. what i think we're witnessing is that politicians, particularly the republican party, but not exclusively, but largely in the republican party, are fearful of a young generation that is more diverse, that has different view points and a young generation that is quite frankly opposed to most of what the republican party is about if we're talking about abortion rights, if we're talking about religious freedom, different talking about various things, us policy toward different parts of the world. many of these protestors are also against what the democratic party is for,

but they are seen as more threatening to the republican party. and so for the last 3 to 4 years, the republican party has been using universities as a whipping boy, as a place for which they can flex their muscles and show that they are conservative and show that they're tough and blame students for problems that are not made by students and so i mean that's why this fell on that point. how do you think the college administrators are standing up to that? well, i think the college administrators are doing a very poor job of standing up to that. and the reason they're doing a poor job is 1st of all, they are hoping for goodwill from politicians. many of these politicians who are attacking universities are the products of these universities. at least a phonic who graduated from harvard university was the person who attacked the president of harvard university. so 1st of all, administrators have to recognize that politicians are now more hostile than they were. and most administrators are trying not to be vocal. and if they're not vocal, if they're staying out of the debate, what's happening is they're letting the politicians dominate the debate. we need to

hear university administrative stand up more vocally for free speech stand up for the rights and interests of students, not taking political sides, but defending what an academic environment is about. do you agree with that are, and how does your rates present minutia, fix testimony at her congressional hearing? a parents did. did she give students a student's hand what they wanted to hear, but she was defending them? she was defending the right to free speech. i don't believe that that is what they heard, especially at columbia university where there is an anti semitism task force that was created in response to the protesters and anti semitism was not defined. so we don't know what anti semitism is in regards to the task force. it's kind of like i, i'll know it when i see it. i think i'll be in the versity. what super interesting, as well as we're seeing faculty stand up for academic freedom and freedom of speech,

the faculty had a huge display on los library steps where essentially what they were saying is, although we might not all agree politically. a majority of us agree that students deserve the space to vocalize and protest. what they believe is right to have an environment where they can voice out their opinions. they can see what they believe and not be under threat of suspension, not be under right of eviction, not be under threat of losing their academic degrees. and i do think that largely on columbia is campus. many faculty members are quite upset at the reaction, especially bringing the n y b deep into arrest protesters who are largely peaceful . i think that the slave really shock columbia as a society as a community to its core because it's assumed that there are no each this being especially when the process has been as targeted as they were by administration. as pro palestinian students have been dealing with disciplinary action since we 1st broke, this happened on campus. and i do think that there is no more space for the students

to vocalize and verbalize what they want to say. this is why they and cabinets such as specials space for them. essentially, what is happening is when students walk into that encampment, they feel like you're living in the reality that is shared where they can share what they're saying. they can be upset about it and still feel supported and around the community. okay. teachers have been as for them, so we can say you're wanting something that go ahead. yeah. you know, i think it's what the students have highlighted with these movements, which i believe we'll see more over the weekend and into next week is the, the so much gray that's here and, and look, i've been a political operative for a very long time. and trump had a great privilege of traveling the united states, speaking to rural and urban americans. and this is what rule americans also want. they don't want billions of our tax peer dollars going overseas to kill other people, to, to have other leaders decide indiscriminately to do what they want to do. you know, a lot of our politics today is sensationalized, but one thing that's not,

is these dispatch is out of the middle east, out of ukraine, that show was the devastation that certain leaders are bringing to certain parts of the world. and that is a shock not only to the consciousness because we are getting it steadily, we're getting in a way we've never had before. we are more technologically connected to the ballot box and ever before. and in the same way the that's coming is incessant. and that is what has shown the american people and students. this is what republicans should want. they should want critical thinking. they should want students to express themselves peacefully and really di, set these this to there's a lot of great here, but i'm not jewish. i'm not most of them, but i can empathize of supply to both. you can be an american. i heard this from rural and urban american. you can be somebody that says i'm one of the hostages of october 7th and return. and i want the killing. whatever be is doing and got to stop for there to be a per fire. there is a lot of great,

you're the fortunately does it get talked about now and this movement is highlighting. so jeremy, there's a couple of weeks left of tom. do see these protests continuing into the summer, even returning and the also, when the election happens in november? well, i think we will see more protests for the next week or 2 of the term, but i do think they'll be some over the summer, but it will become more sparse. and that might be a good thing. there might be a cooling off period and what happens in the fall will be very much influenced by the events of the summer. do events in the middle east continue to expand as the violets continue to expand their how does us policy change? how does the us government's role seen by students? so there are a lot of variables. what i do want to say though, is, although i agree with the points being made about how this that there, there's a lot of there should be a lot of agreement from rural voters with many of the things that we just said. i will say that attacking demonstrators of universities always works with verbal

voters because world voters, the university students as privileged. and even though they might not like spending money in the middle least, they see. but what students are doing or the way it's depicted, they see it as unpatriotic. and this is why in the 1960s, in the 19 seventies and today, certain conservative politicians will often attack universities and attack the privilege of students and universities. unfortunately, this is supposed to be effective, so republicans will continue to do this. i would expect to see more of it. okay, to the last what to who, how would you like the university to respond going forward to these protests? so i think the response should be a genuine conversation and consideration with the demands the protesters are making . i think a lot of students and they can ment demanding that investment demands in financial transparency. does that demanding amnesty as a result of the crack down needs to be heard? and i think a lot of the focus should be on the fact that they want actionable steps. they no

longer want to be complicit. they want, there was us to be heard and i think i want to make a point to say that all the students do go to these prestigious universities. a lot of them are risking quite a lot to make the statement heard and to them it feels worth it. once the time it has been told to me, last night was, were sitting in the university in camps, but we are optionally choosing to be here because there are no more universities standing in the us that they are saying that although the crackdown has been brutal, the focus should be that's on the fact that they are safe there and that students and leslie and other people, unless they are not sick. and i think there needs to be a real reckoning with the reasoning these protests are happening. i reason people demanding that last night. dude, we do have to leave at the many things to only be great to hear your voice is on this topic. ju todd, jeremy, sorry, and rena sean. and thank you too for watching me. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out of there,

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