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knowledge is the width is challenging place to work from as a journalist, you're always pushing our boundaries we are the ones traveling the extra mile or other media goals. we go there and we give them a time to tell their story. i am steve clements and i have a couple of questions. this is really need the us to force it to stop the war in gaza. and why is it the us doing anything to end it? let's get to the bottom line. for almost half a year, israel has argue that it wants total victory and gaza, although no one knows exactly what that looks like. so every day that israel tries

to achieve its victory, hundreds more palestinians are killed, maimed or buried under rubble, with no end in sight. whether in the gaza strip or the west bank. meanwhile, the united states and its allies continue to supply weapons without conditions ensuring there is no permanency expire. at the same time, the us has submitted a draft resolution to the un security council that calls for an immediate cease fire and gaza. that's tied to the release of hostages held by him off. so what's the end game for the us in the middle east? where does washington, once the conflict to really go and what risk for post by president joe biden strategy? today, we're talking with university of pennsylvania political sciences. i enlisted offer of several looks on the palestine. israel conflict most recently. paradigm lost from 2 state solution to one state reality and didn't ramallah dr. mustafah bar goodie found her the palestinian national initiative. let me start with you and thank you so much for joining us. look, you've been writing a little bit that we've danced this dance many, many times that we've seen conflicts between israel and palestine. and there was an

agent that was involved in bringing this to close. tell us what the history of conflict has required in the past. the ended and what's happening now, you were asking about the outcome this war has been going on for months and months without the united states stopping it. every other is reality war starting even as far back as 1948 was stopped by great power intervention after the starting and 56 by american intervention after a very short time, a couple weeks, a couple months or or so. why this time? is it taking so long? what is important to note is that none of israel's wars ended because it's war aims are achieved. that's because the warnings are fundamentally political and the military cannot achieve them. the government can't admit that, so it needs the outside world, specifically the united states to stop the war. united states has not turned down

the red light this time in every other conflict. it's taking up a couple of weeks or a month for the united states to do that. that's why this war has going on as long as it as, and it will. and when united states turns on the red light, and it won't end until then. so we stop up, you know, i find this to be an interesting moment. where if you look at the past and you and i have talked about this many times, one of the most cli shade over used frames made by presidents and secretaries of state in the past is that we in america, can't want piece more than they do. is that really the case? don't we need to want piece more than the the players in this conflict? no, no, no, i absolutely disagree with that. i think it's just one way of from the sides of the american officials to do. i know we have some deb responsibility at, but then i have few corrections to make here about what was said festival. i don't

like the word conflict it. it to tries to present the situation as if it's 2 sides. one equally 25 to go over a piece of land and the, the don't know how to stop the site. not to. this is a 2nd of people out on the queue. patient people who are being a breast since 1948 to the worst form of ethnic cleansing towards the forcing 70 percent of them to become. but if you, jeez, it's a struggle of people, i guess a set lot of colonial projects which was initiated by as though, and took away people's land or press them, made them. but if you jeez, now continues to come down. there is an early establishment and that includes not only not 10 year old, but also one that needs the guidance and all the is that a new position. they don't want to give any part of those, palestine to palestinians. they want all of the land for themselves and they don't

accept hosted solution and they don't accept one state solution which would be a one democratic stand. so what does that solution exactly what they are trying to do now in does that, which is ethnic cleansing, that is the, to the situation today, the united states of america as being supportive and visitor it mand some vegetable protests against, isn't really something that's about the nothing to stop set that i'm not spending which can the possibility of the 2 state solution and create a new political power and is it or a fascist by hidden by smoking as i'm being viewed who are not controlling there? is there any government you have more than the 31000 people that 100000 people injured infrastructure wiped out? i mean, i'm just sort of sitting here and watching this play out. and i'm also watching a president of the united states, joe biden, possibly laying out the framework for losing the next race because of antipathy inside the united states about these actions or the lack of action by that,

by the president. so would love to get your thoughts and respond to dr. bar goody. well, i agree with so much of what the adaptability has just said, but i think that the listeners should understand too large things. and uh, 2 points that i want to make. one is the tears in it. yes is real, is certainly a creation of settler colonialism. it is a settler colony at just like it. but that's true. so many countries in the world, united states, canada, new zealand, most, bolivia, argentina, australia, canada. that is the fact that a state comes into existence because a settler colonialism is not that unusual. and usually what happens is that the indigenous populations are in the isolated or rendered politically and significant because of the demographics. but in this case, it's a very unusual case in which the indigenous population, the pallets. and you know,

we're not an isolated, they were a, it's land 750000 expelled from their homes and 948 even more in 1967. but still they are masses of palestine. you still in palestine. in fact, there are more palestinian arrows between the river and the seed and there are jews right now. so that means that you have a powerful state that ivy logically saw itself the way these other states have seen themselves. but on like united states, which does not face 300000000 native americans inside and outside is borders. israel still phases the indigenous population that the seller state was set up to displace or dominate. so that's, so remember that that's what makes this such an unusual situation. he's both a conflict and an example of settler colonialism and resistance. well, i 2nd the 2nd point and i want that, but i be here and i to states as supporting visitors because it sees it sense and

as it or by the difference is that we are, we are in the 21st century. and that is something called the national and united nations, and all of that is so the here shows the law and kind of the united states does not just if, when he is in any way of justifying anything that absolutely is the doctor. last thing. yes, i just want to finish the 2nd point. did the united states, i think you're right in the 1950s. there was a kind of 9 eve identification of pioneers with a pioneering 8000 united states. the oklahoma kind of each task with how that seem in israel, but that is past united states is not motivated by actually these kinds of images. what motivates american politicians? and it's true of almost every president in recent times is a desire to get this issue off their back because politically,

it's so dangerous to get on the wrong side of the issue. it's the, it's like you were the only 2 issues in united states that are driven a foreign policy issues driven by domestic political imperative, which leads america to have a policy 3 or 4 standard deviations from the rest of the world. so united states, when it makes decisions about what to do with the middle leaves with this conflict, is it as a great power is it responds to domestic political constraints. it doesn't care very much or even know very much, it doesn't care very much, let's say about what's good for palestinians are good for his realities is in the bottom line. what's good, politically, what's safe for us? and in that context, american presidents have engaged in peace processes, but not going that distance necessary to put the pressure on is real to get that kind of compromise. it could have worked with stopping or go to your a very good analyst of pastoring versus substance in my view when it comes to this

conflict. and i'd love to get your take on the change language. the resolution possibility the interactions with is really prime minister netanyahu and joe biden. what do you take seriously? what do you find promising? and what do you find completely a share rate? well, the responding to that, we have to agree about one very specific point, which is that the united states of america cannot be a mediator in this concept if you go to the concept. and this the, let's see why, because the united states of america is absolutely, i'm totally supportive, isn't it? and it's one of our la visitor actually there, and i to the states of america. and this last tour has not to be an only complicit with that is that i do what crimes it has become participant in the world of crimes not only by supply and visited with $20000.00 tons of explosives and lip on set to that. but also by sending it by sending to thousands,

hundreds to visitors and by sending to the advisers to the is it or it is to help them and been what a fair and by yeah, but disappeared. think even in the water to come in at the visitor, the president product disappear to the foreign minister of the survey. that 5 or 6 times the national security advisor, the defense minister, and the secretary of defense. they all participated. so united states isn't, is, is deep and bold in this world. could i am that is happening because i know there is a huge exposure of these world crimes. the human side, the collective punishment. the starvation of the people is killing people with diseases with living with firemen. it's so clear. so from the, from that perspective, i think they're not just is facing huge criticism worldwide, but also inside the united states, i think there is a huge young americans in the nation that does not accept what listed by that is

doing. and he is losing the elections because of that. and then there is also the whole out of muslim community in the united states will have become gradually, politically voting follow. and that is going to affect the chances of biden. so he's trying to, i've just, but on the other hand, they tried to adjust but they continue to do the bad things. for instance, there is allusion to do with going to present or disagree with. the concept has just changed. instead of saying, calling for us as i am now, this is the new language says it is imperative to have a cease fire. this that's very big difference. but i'm calling for that to lucy's fire. if the united states was really serious, big couldn't force, is it an immediate need to have a cease fire? they put it is an we wouldn't hold all kinds of military supplies to the content, isn't it? and we were starting to find out a financing deal with war and they put their lives and we started sanctions. if you don't stop set them effective, it is,

but they're not going to do any of that. that is the problem. and, and that is the ality, but in the face of the oil change, the hood hood is changing. there is a whole lot of evaluation against this aggression on the power steering and people, i guess these were the crimes that nobody can deliberate. and there is a change inside that that states and what makes me really very, especially especially a proud of the change is that even the young jewish community is changing and money, or they aren't jewish activists out of been, was there anything good support of palestine and the support of justice. we live on the 21st century. it's not. it's not the 12 century or the 10 century. and that's why i think what we see here is us. but i mean, not only about, but as being advised, but above the principle of civilization. the principle of that i took people to live according to international law. another demo of junction which is that our end is imposing right. i the head i unless think you really important to note that yes

is correct. there is a split in a jewish community in united states. there has been for a long time, but it's accelerating and is, was just said, the younger generation of jews, especially as fired by liberal values, is outraged by what's going on. disgusted by what israel and american foreign policy is done. i think what i understand inside the administration, there's also a struggle going on. and then ultimately when united states turns out in the red light and i agree completely, that is the capacity to do that. it will be the result of who wins in the battle inside the administration to try to convince vitamin that his own way of dealing with israel is got to completely change it is changing, but not very fast. and it's that battle inside the administration and inside the democrat, a party that seems like it will be decisive to decide when the war and so i and i elastic. when does the red light come on? if you look at young voters in this country,

in many key states in particularly michigan, minnesota, others, they're, they're saying they do not like what president biden's foreign policy is his, his close proximity to is rarely prime minister netanyahu in this conflict. and you'll see this coming on, and you see now 100 major democratic donors sent a letter to president biden and saying, you've got a change course, or you may lose the selection. so i'm, if you, it's rare, i gotta tell people, it's rare that a foreign policy issue matters in the us presidential election. it's usually kitchen table economics. but this is a 1st time where you're actually seeing the black community. some parts of the black community also become ambivalent about the president right now because they see this conflict as a social justice issue, which reflects on them as well. so i'm just wondering when does the read like, from your experience and looking at the history of these? shouldn't the red light have already come on? i guess that's my bottom line question. absolutely. i mean,

not only shouldn't even come on from a moral point of view from a foreign policy point of view, but it shouldn't even come on from the domestic political interest a president by him. and what usually does the trigger that red light is a judgment that the domestic political situation allows that light to go on either because you can justify going against these real lobby because you don't want to a confrontation with the soviet union or with another great part some kind of cuban missile crisis, or because as of the humanitarian because it has to be what it seems to me is that president biden on this issue is a slow learner. and he is learning. and i think that the issue is you point out, the pressure is inside the democratic party, the threat to his re election probably are possibilities that will be the determining factors that will turn him toward the switching on the red light. and that by the way, is a metaphor that is used for illinois. the end of almost every one of israel's wars

. if you look at the scholarly literature on how these wars and dr. bar cody, i'd love to get from you the temperature inside palestine, the west bank, the ruling coalition. there you have for years, basically, miraculously kept your independence politically from the various factions, but you comment on them. we recently saw in march 15 spots are issuing a condemnation upon us for being responsible, essentially for the destruction of gaza, as opposed to looking at israel for the destruction of gaza. what's going on among the factions and what prospect is there for any sort of consensus? on really the future of palestinian governance in this after this equation is in dealing with things now and tomorrow. i know that you say we can't just talk about tomorrow. people are dying today. i get that. but i just want to know, as you look at the equation is coming together. are you seeing players actually creating an impossibility of a consensus coming together?

that's a good question. and actually it's a list of the united states as well. but uh, let me explain. uh, we just had a very good meeting in moscow where i, my sense, or sort of the tense time media to between our mazda and center and the rest of the community to which anybody agreed about all the 14, but a simple just to come forces. we have a very good community here which said that the all part does have to induct the l. o. and we have a unified understanding and do the trip there. and then into that i told the police thing and people to present themselves and the we agreed about the goals, the, the end of the, or the humanitarian assistance preventing any kinds of expands. you know, the student population and ethnic cleansing and the canning about this of the orders that a month. so now we agreed to continue the meetings to proceed. unfortunately, the president went on on the appointed prime minister without any consultation with

any of the understanding and put it to kind of groups which created a new list. the statement to a mentioned by 5 to which, uh, in my opinion, was a not appropriate uh, was negated by some of the members of the something and commit to accept that we were told that they called us and told us that this communicate does nothing to visit completely and that the many members of the sent that have come into effect that which is the highest oregon there. do not agree with it. and that leads me to the issue of the states, because you see the united states is pressuring for the quarter. the 4 megs, the police didn't handle authority and by the revitalization of the policy. and also to do on by that they mean only the security ties inc, the police to handle to, to, to making the model of executed destructions, etc, as it is interest. and that lies behind the statement of mr. by didn't. when he said president by didn't, when he said that,

i need to understand what sort of doing government has to be acceptable to. is it or is he what does say that any government and is it has to be acceptable, so by the stands, of course. so the american approach to the you might, as well as ition, is only about security. and that's what it is. the question, why in any other country, whether you talk about said it'd be, uh you agree and russian of china or any other country. the united states speaks about democracy, about democratic elections. that item of the people to choose democratic glance. really the lead does accept and punish by the opposing our election or opposing the democratic reform, which would make the policy number 30 to accept of and by the palestinian people before it is accepted by is 0. and that's the, the, the issue we are talking about here. what we want is a national consensus of government accepted by anybody that is entered in so that it wasn't prepared for the city of democratic elections, which allows us to use the tools that need those freely on democratic like of the

democratic countries. that's what we need, the democratic structure, that's what it presents, the police didn't, and people, and their aspiration, but the against democracy, united states, unfortunately, was against the right sort having for the democratic elections. and that's literally c. i'm not going to get the aspect of the americans told us what an interesting inflection point that would be dr. less than going to give you the last word. but in this, i also want to ask you, you said something has been hanging in my mind during the show, which is you talked about the israel palestine, you know, a piece industry if you will, the, the, you know, these rises in this. yeah. the piece process industry, i've always been interested in what would finally put that piece, process industry out of business and, and get to us and a new weak librium along the lines of what we stopped, but just talked about. but as you give us the last word, i'd love to hear what you, what you think is needed for that industry process instead of the solution. yeah,

by the instead of the solution in that industry is focused on the idea of a negotiated settlement between 2 sides and this, there's this, the west banking guys are outside of his real. but israel has already of your really treated the west bank and gaza as part of the country. and that's why it's important to remember the president biden's official policy is that the united states is committed to any to the palestinians. and as well as having equal rights to equality, disney, democracy, and security. and that if the 2 state solution can be achieved through negotiations, which it cannot be, we have to return to the theme of the quality of counter the gradual democratization of the one state that exists between the river and the sea. and that is a project that the peace process industry doesn't really can't, can't make money, or they can't make money out of the idea that if we don't have negotiation soon, it will be too late. it'll be too late. it'll be too late,

which they've been saying from 40 years. right? well we have to do see is, is a long struggle over democracy. united states has to reorient itself in that way. seeing this is a domestic issue. and, and that will be good for palestinians because they can get equal rights and sumo right and be able to stay in the country. but regrettably, i need to leave it there. i have a half hour more with both of you. a great conversation professor, i enlisted professor of middle eastern politics at the university of pennsylvania and my friend doctor, we stop of our duty founder of the palestinian national initiative. thank you so much for being with us today. my pleasure. thanks to thank those 2. so what's the bottom line when ever the topic of palestinians and israelis comes up? american officials love to say, oh well, we can't want peace more than they do. oh, really? i for one don't buy this cliche. there are serious reasons why palestine and israel may never come to terms with each other in a stable, in and eventually

a peaceful way. but that's exactly why 3rd parties are essential to buffer between them to act when there are injustices, the victims on either side. one of those key parties is the united states, whether it likes it or not. the us needs to demand peace more than is real and homeless. once i have peace, it has to demand justice and show genuine concern for both sides of the conflict. and because that's not happening, the war machine just goes on. that's why there's no peace in the middle east, and that's the bottom line. the if nature does not function, we don't, we depend, which takes care of itself from nature. we have a chance to move forward. di are coming soon to develop drugs, but humans, scientists conduct test on animals. monkeys are in high demand for the global

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