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hello welcome to the program of adrian. instead of getting spain play england on sunday, for the fif of women's will come after a tournament that seemed wrinkled crowds and tv audiences worldwide. it's a transformation from the 1st women's world cup in 1991 a time when the game was developed in only a few countries. now it's a big business, professional sport with the top style of heroes and role models for young girls who can now dream of one day scoring the went out for that country in a world comp. so what's next for women's football kind of grew to be as big as the men's game. i kind of oil countries have a fat chance of one day tasting will come dory. we'll be discussing all of that ample. when we kick off the discussion with our guest in just a moment. but 1st let's go to our report that alex told us in sydney at west spain and england will do battle in the final on sunday. whatever happens later this week, that will be a new name on the choices of the parents. we say russell would say the right things,

not just in australia. ticket sales have also been high than ever before. mister fence has perused the commercial viability of women, skilful. if there was any doubts that sold in the 1st time, the key things pro christmas sense is the diversity of the audience, pretty new funds. so the schools would never normally show an interest. and the culture is different to the man's game, still noisy and passionate. but let's talk 6. i'm in sermonizing. special mentions of columbia spends 3 turned up an impressive numbers and certainly made that presence known as most experts. i've spoken to also say able to spot other women sports to try to achieve the same visibility. the bass will still hasn't. they won in terms of prize money and pay to match the men's game. but also every national association to take the women's game as seriously as the mens england 90 or in

jamaica or along the change in dispute with the countries football season. going into this events, spots there's no question, is more positive than negative australia, new zealand. welcome to wells. and so they started off automatics, thomas, and sidney for inside story. let us take a quick look at the rapid growth of the women's will cops. it's been 32 years since china hosted the 1st tournament in 1991 back, then 12 teams qualified now 32 teams played in australia, new zealand that's a more than in the previous tournaments in france. 4 years ago, more teams also led to more fans ticket sales, a set to hit nearly 2000000 board by fans from 182 countries who have traveled down on the to see the games. tv audience is broken records worldwide, despite the signal and times the differences. see such as this world cup is on

target to reach an overall tv audience of 2000000000 worldwide. right, let's me to a guess from toronto, canada with joined by chevy and all that. a cd that contributes that with cdc, sports has been covering the world come from canolli, the capital of rwanda. it's a chicago shift for the professional athletes and sports journalist and from sit out in the netherlands is fundamental tash. there's a professional football or for the ducks club for to, to sit on in the women's 1st divisions. he's also the captain of the afghanistan women's national team. a will welcome to you will share reading this world cup has been a huge success by anyone's measure to what do you attribute that success. i think that we have to give a nod to new zealand and australia a co host of this incredible tournament for really providing a blueprint. and this is my 3rd world cup that i've attended. women's world cup in

the country is absolutely in love with women, sport. it is being supported publicly, it's being supported politically. and i think that's the difference, how the game can grow and they really offer the world a map on how to be able to do this. in a way that's not toxic, and that just provides a lot of excitement for the beautiful game show is great to see you. you were here with us in the heart, i was a 0 for the, for the mans. will cover the end of, of 2022. and this, the women's game is growing in popularity worldwide, of course. but i mean this toner, but it's been something else hasn't been. that's been incredible. and the fact that it's been down under a country like australia and new zealand, and really embrace sports in general. but also that have embrace, you know, women, sports last year. we so impeccable, you know, attendance is up to feel women's basketball woke up. and now the keys for women's woke up, we just seems, you know, a lot of encouragement,

a lot of people embracing women in sports and really just going and buying tickets and making sure that the 2 young girls to be inspired. you know, at the woke up and the numbers, but also just generally on 9 is be more interest than what we saw in the 2019. and for us, of course, it was a classic platform. but now it's really got into a very high level and it's, you know, just great to experience it is, it is indeed a kind of i was this tournament, always going to be a success or do you think something else is a play here? i definitely believe it's a huge success, but tournament and moments football is definitely headed in a positive direction. and i think one of the key contributors to that success is just expanding the format from 24 teams to 32 and replicating it like the man's world kind of. and because of that, we see so many new new nations taking part in the beauty and this woman's world caught. and on top of that, the success has been massive and incredible. from the 6 confederations,

each confederation has had teams that have one, at least one match. so it's definitely very successful, and it's had it in a positive direction. you think opening it up to 32 teams was a good thing then. i mean it's, it's so if the game well and hasn't just highlighted the disparity in ability levels between various parts of the world when the expansion of the world cub. but you see that the teams that deserve to be at the world stage are there of course, but also other nations that you know deserve to develop and grow the woman's game. and truly show that the woman's world cocked is a global tournament. so regardless of the score line, regardless of whether your organization is losing 6 mail today, i think 10 years down the road, it's really gonna significantly impact the woman's game and only benefit sharing one of the highlights of the store they've been so far of. so you,

but also the field as well as on it before we get to talk more about the, the issues here. i think one of the things and just highlighted, even if i couldn't, i had said, is that, you know, the extension is really important. and you just mentioned the disparities between the team and the way that they're supported financially in the struggles is actually part of the conversation and a part of the culture in the ecosystem of women's football globally. and these are things that we can separate. i mean, a lot of people, it's easy for, you know, media to separate what's happening on the pitching up. but they're really quite connected. and you've got to, you know, to view teams that made it beyond the group stages, which is incredible. a morocco was doing it this world cup only the 2nd team and the women's woke up history to ever go to the knock at rounds, the round of 16. and i think that's really important. and also to have conversations that continue. and before we get to the issues of the field, truly, but highlighting issues that occur as a part of the growth of women's football. and one of the things i'm most excited

about is the conversations being had by supporters and by media. but what the type of things that are happening, good and bad in women's football and those conversations haven't always occurred. so it's really important that they, they are happening. i sure would you agree with that? i would you, would you agree that opening it up to 32 teams was that was the right thing to do. absolutely. um, i mean even from a, an african point of view, now we get to see, you know, a new teams that are competing in limits football in the past. it's always been like nigeria coming down to but just seeing these, you know, play is going to that stage to be done like zambia and marker, getting into those conversations, playing friendly games and the lead up to the women's woke up and say, okay, we want to see where do we stand, you know, at the global level. so just, you know, we hope also that, you know, if it can continue like this and maybe see if i can also have a conversation around saying ok. for the 1st time, we've seen 3 african teams leavings the good phase, and going to the rhonda 16,

can we expand the number of slots that the african teams are getting? because in the continents we've got 54 countries getting on the 4 slots is not enough because what that means is if this, yeah, you have some b s. and then they're not in the top 4 in the next, you know, 4 years then that didn't reason is gone. so, but if you expand the number to maybe 8 and then we can have a different conversation and have them compete every year in year out. and continue to get more exposure. so i think that's your next funding. so the former has given us an opportunity to, to get some very nice stories, you know, like columbia, like jamaica, you know, being part of these compositions on the global stage. and actually have to, how big is, is the woman's game, how it support does it have in, in africa? does a match support? do you know, now the situations are starting to seek, you know, that could be a goal of mine here. you can start by the beautiful and incredible story of marco 3 years ago. they didn't really have a women's football strategies,

but the situation sat down and said, look, if we want to compete globally, we have to do the right things. they went and hired a remote address, who obviously had one to women's junk is the titles with olympic qian brought him tomorrow co gave him the same facilities that the men's team that went to the semi finals of the woke up using if anything, to actually staying in the same hotel in the lead up to the woke up, the men stayed in when they were going to cutoffs so, you know, things like that, you know, having somebody of, for example, playing a friend, the games with the team, like germany and actually picking germany in the lead up to the woke up, those are the kind of conversations that we need, but it has to get better. we need more teams and more investors and more people that make key decisions to embrace women football. and this also means things like, for example, getting women's football on television. and that means in terms of showing the leaks, we can we couch, we sing some of the countries do that you've gotten to, for example, has the women super lead on that?

so now since i television, which is the national, you know, for the recent tv so that you know, helps people continue to see these women play not just was in for years when they go to the walk up for kind of, i mean, as we some of the beginning, you're a professional for paula, you play with the force you to sit out and in the, the women's 1st division in the netherlands. but of course when we're talking about the world cup, which is international level, it's getting a lot of attention. what is the situation at the domestic league level? how does your life as a professional football compared to your male counterparts? while the women's world cup is directly related to the domestic leaves as well. so what we see the pattern almost that we see is that we have a lumens world cab or we have these huge international tournaments, whether it be the us a call or the champions league final. and so after the events like this take place, which we have a lot of them and some a lot of attention,

it doesn't necessarily always translate to the domestic league. so although the domestic leaks are heavily investing, they are uh, building a professional infrastructure for their players. there is still a huge disparity that does exist. and although we are, you know, headed in a positive direction, i would still like to see that increase the amount of fan base infrastructure attention to really growing the woman's name at the domestic level and ensuring that it is consistent and sustainable to re knocked out. does the women's game keep the momentum going off to the store? it might have been after the last world cup and until what i think until the euro's last year, that seem to be a frustrating. lo, i think one of the things to remember is that we shouldn't just pay attention to them and support every quadrennial. it shouldn't just be a mega tournaments like feel impacts or like, you know, the women's world cup. and i think that the interest in,

in the women's game itself needs to continue you have, in the final is some spain in england. you have 2 of the most, you know, exciting and invigorating domestic leaves in the world. the women super league, and then they got from united spain, with teams that are really, really enthralling. and i think we need to look at even a little closer. i mean, i'm in canada and we don't even have a domestic women's league here. we have a proposed one and that's really important to continue to support the women's game at the grass roots level is really essential. and even if that mean supporting, you know, an n c, a team or university college team. these are all or, or development teams. and youth teams, which is really important, and i mean those are where the stars come from. those are where the next generations come from. and when you speak with players were also advocates. cuz remember, adrian, that women's athletes also become advocates for women, support a new growth and sustainability of it,

which is something that many players don't actually have to do. um, i think we should remember to keep supporting at those levels that you know, the product we know was incredible. the ticket sales intention, the broadcast numbers tell us that people are heavily invested. i remember a time when the line message didn't get very much public support. i was in france in 2019 and couldn't find, look at anywhere in the stores. so i mean, i see the growth then when i hope that change and i hope that changes here to stay . okay, i'll show up as sure even saying, i mean that there is gross money is started to be invested in certain parts of, of the world. what more needs to be done, for instance, to get investment at a football, in, in places in, in, in africa, the less affluent places in africa? well, to be honest, you know, it's really a new system that we have to change. because when we talk about women's football and people talk about, you know, we're not able to see these women, we need more broadcast, you know, click this button,

the ship's uniting to lead up to the women's woke up. the car has been going on. there were issues, for example, with the top 5 countries in europe, not being able to buy the rights. so the small things affect, you know, the growth of the game. and yes, we talk about, you know, a lot of the 9 nights happening. maybe around the us, the women's jumped is the we, so the big numbers, you know, friends that went to the comp new to watch best and no net in england. it's the same thing. but from a global perspective, we need more people to, to watching minutes football. we can we couch that impacts, you know, the commercial revenue that comes around the game. and also the decisions really from the situations to embrace women. so it's not a competition. we're not saying that women want to be better than men. it's really what you invest in demand should be the same that use us in the women. we've seen that growth, you know, even from a teams library on a jayden months as ignited that in breast. we meant students way later than the, the big boys in the game, you know, as to know might just the cd chelsea. but now you can see that those 2 teams

competing, you know, at the favor board level. so when you take it, you know, to the. 5 level in the rest of the countries across the world. that's where the composition needs to be. hi, yes, we talk about eco page, but that the co pay comes from, do we have the same opportunities when it comes to investment? and those are the things that we need to be talking about for kind of, can you ever see a time when a professional plans like you not only paid as much as your male counterparts, but enjoy the same working conditions and a basic support? i can visualize that i'm very optimistic that we will have um, even better. um, you know, infrastructure for vol fraternities and its just a matter of time. however, i personally do not like to compare man and woman's football as freight as they both are. a woman's football has received attention really sorry, received attention rather much later than the men's game. and i think people are

just starting to understand how much impact, how much passion and dedication and dr. female athletes genuinely have both on and off the pitch. and so do i think the pay gap will reduce? yes, i do. however, again, i'm very optimistic that others not just female athletes, are the ones advocating for this, but it's the whole global community that sees the need for female athletes to be at the forefront during coming back to the challenges that you were talking about at the grass roots level equipment, facilities, coaching support, what, what about things like, like kids and footwear, are sports where manufacturer was making enough get specifically for women rather than shutting out unisex stuff for or stuff for men women or after have to make do with i think one of the important things is the women's game is incredible product on its own. and i agree with, you know, my co panel is start comparing it to the men's side. is not something we should do

and many leaves around the world. and in many federations women's kits aren't even available. and i, you know, live in canada and you weren't able, you're not able to buy a women's kit, a national team members can even after they won the olympics in 2020. so we mean, you look at that and you look at what are the opportunities and you know, that's something that's really important to say. and these are just part of other psycho social factors. we've seen increased injuries in a c, l, a interior crucial ligaments. and that's also because of environment, it's not just because of the pressing of the athlete. there's so many things like resources, facilities as previously mentioned, morocco is one of the only federations to provide really what they do. their facility outside of the box is like one of the only ones in the world, and they're the only league in the world that has 2 tiers to professional women that actually are remain rated. so there's so many things here. it's not just about k, it's about support. it's about broadcast. is it being televised or there? you know, we know the with america 4 percent of all broadcast is women sport. that's not

a lot. you'd are getting 4 percent. there's so many leaves or so many opportunities and, you know, people need to keep investing not to, to, and yes, there's little the money numbers and people will argue that, you know, you, it's the product isn't, you know, worth said, you, you know, women shouldn't be paid equally, but labor and value in that labor is extremely important. and we know what the growth of women's woman's game has skyrocketed and people are willing to pay. and in australia, matilda is jerseys. i've completely out sold the soccer ruse. so this there's and that's a country where soccer may not be, football, may not be the number one sport. you know, it gets all the routes, football, but still the point is that there's a place for this. there's a place for women's football to exist and to thrive. and in terms of the other things, i mean, the social issues, political issues around the teams. those are very much an important story. and a quick point i want to make, it's not only countries in the global south considered oper, car, or even,

or south america that aren't being page canada. it's very much an, a dispute with its own federation. and the us, you know, as previously students, employer. so really want to make sure that we understand that not providing resources to women's support is not just an issue in the global self. i'll show as is the game adequately meeting the health needs of, of when players. and i'm thinking in terms of, of the types of injury that the women suffer when they play football, as opposed to men give it that much sports science research is, is focused on, on the male body and not the female body. yeah, absolutely. and the conversations you know, that are very important for us to have and thank you for the question, adrian, because we need researches, we need the medical world to look into that. why are these female athletes getting these injuries? but also really to have open conversations, for example, about mr. periods, you know, what is for example, the jersey type, what are the sizes of the shots,

you know, as a play as comfortable can. we also have conversations about sports braz because these are things that, you know, when you look around and people think, oh, it's obvious. but you'll find that some of the athletes are playing in prize and not really sports bribes. and that affects you know, the way that they play because you're talking about 90 minutes of a football game. so i think that um, you know, for durations and decision makers and also really organizations, if it needs their activities, groups, you know, have to open the talk about this and see how to grow the game. because it's not just about pay, pay, pay, pay, it's about things like that for code are all come to you. is it just a moment because there, there are 2 specific questions i want to ask you guys at the end. so bear with me, but it should be and how does the women's game move a come cultural and social challenges that exist in, in many parts of the world? i mean, i mean, many women involved in the schools have experience online abuse for example. yeah, i mean there's a culture of toxicity, certainly, and you'll have, you know,

massage in this and people who argue that you shouldn't be doing play. and you know, you can't necessarily resolve all issues and some regions are very specific to the type of abuse they gather. the type of discrimination that the women face, whether it's homophobia or into most some sentiment. and quite frankly, in france and this needs to be said, most of women who want to wear his job can't even participate in sports domestically because of a, his job that and that exists there. and i mean there's so many issues that we can discuss about this. but one of the things we need to do is realize and understand that football needs to be access safely by women all over the world and see what their needs are and look around and see how they can be supported. and the other thing is to not to shy away from questions that are really important then just as they should just mention, whether it's issues regarding menstruation or needs of those outlets. these are very specific needs and things that are important to talk about. and whether, you know, there's been criticism in the us team and how they navigate other space. there.

culture and team culture will be very different than someone like in england. but you've seen solidarity from all these players, whether it's facing sexual abuse and the sport with some of these teams, particularly heavy, i've had to overcome. i mean, this is, these are really important things and we can't shy away from those discussions. adrian, it's important to recognize and celebrate the joy of the game while addressing the challenges at the same time. i should just very briefly, would you agree with that? yes, absolutely. we have to look at both sides of the story. no one is trying to say that it's only the positives that i have to, you know, we'd dash women's football because when you look at, for example, the women is woke up and you see the journalist was asking, you know, the american captain about eligibility cubes. and if she has any teammates on the team that are playing, and this is i had of the 1st ever game at the women's woke up, they could have chosen to ask the different questions, but that's what they chose to do. so there's a lot really to talk about. yeah, for kind of, as we said at the beginning of the program, you, you're also the captain of the, of afghanistan's,

within women's national side. what is the future of the women's game in afghanistan? where is your team right? now, well, unfortunately, like many people might be aware right now since the fall of, of can a stand in 2021. we actually don't have an active national team. so what that means is that the fact of government has band woman support participation in general, among many other bands, such as rights to education, of their basic necessities. now that being said, since 2021, that can spend a long as national team, the players that were within the country, have been evacuated to australia, to portugal, and other parts of the world and players such as myself, who belong to the atkins diaspora that grew up outside of, of ghana send, obviously still remain outside of the country. now the issue we're facing right now is, but because of the de facto government, our football federation, it would not be safe for them to restart women's football. now,

the solution to that would be that fee for i, as the governing body of football needs to intervene and be able to provide a sustainable plan for us to return to sports in a safe manner in any way that no one would be affected. and in a way that we can insure the sustainability of our ones program and show that female updates and then woman are capable. so now that is the situation as it remains and we hope to find a resolution very soon for, for quite a he, hey, we got your, your own, i was a 0. if you're speaking to women who, who can say is in, in afghanistan, women who aspire to, to, to play football. they, they love the game. yeah. they look up to you as, as, as the hero, what would your message base with them right now? my messages never lose health, life is extremely unpredictable, and we've seen it time and time again. and i am optimistic that there are better days ahead. we all have to be in this together and i think together we will find

a solution to the issues that we are facing. let's hope so many sites indeed showing um it's ayesha chromebook issue and for chrome demo tasha for taking punch in today's discussion. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website down to 0 dot com for further discussion. join us about facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash h i inside story and you can join the conversation on twitter. handle a page right inside story from the adrian instead of going out of the team here. and the thanks for watching, we'll see the the

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