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organization in this country would ever anticipate this type of violence >> what really happened that tragic day? >> it is the time to point finger at those whose fingers pulled the trigger >> al jazeera america presents miners shot down only on al jazeera america israel and hamas agree to a 12 hour pause in fighting, but a longer ceasefire is rejected as the west bank erupts into a day of rage. >> i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this". that and more ahead. >> israel great to a 12-our humanitarian truce. hamas agreed as well. >> the fear is the truce will not have that much effect.
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>> protests in the west bank. >> protesters battled police and soldiers. called. >> the bankrupt of this war has been borne by gazan civilian populations. children. >> investigators have not been able to get into the rebel-controlled area. >> new u.s. intelligence shows russia intends to provide heavier, more sophisticated weaponry. >> vladimir putin may light a fire. earth. >> revelations discovered the plane had a near miss with a solar flare. >> good luck, it was not pointed at us. >> i guess we were lucky. >> missed by that much. we begin with an agreement for a short-term humanitarian ceasefire between israel and
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hamas. hours after u.s. secretary of state john kerry failed in a quest to secure a 7-day quest, both agreed it a 12 hour pause on saturday. a weary secretary of state john kerry said on friday he was not giving up hope on a bigger deal. >> we begin with the hope of a down-payment of a ceasefire and the real possibility of an extension, in the course of tomorrow. hopefully we can make some people in this region, who deserve peace and find one step towards the elusive goal. >> israel's security cabinet related a longer ceasefire proposal saying it infringed on gaza. hamas said he would be open to a 7-day truce if certain demands were met.
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>> we want a ceasefire as soon as possible. that's parallel with the lifting of the siege on gaza. we have 1.8 million people. blockade. >> complicating the diplomatic efforts, violence spread to jerusalem and the west bank, where palestinian leaders called for a day of rage protest with those suffering in gaza. six palestinians were killed as 10,000 protesters marched from adil rami to jerusalem. it was the largest demonstration in the west bank in a decade. >> let's go to gaza and al jazeera correspondent. secretary of state john kerry has been in the region pushing hard for a 7-day ceasefire. now there'll be talks in paris involving britain, germany, e.u., turkey and qatar. despite the diplomacy, all we have is israel and hamas
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agreeing to pause for 12 hours. both demanding things the other side will not accept, to have a longer truce allowing for serious negotiations. did any of this have an effect on the fighting friday? >> no, absolutely not. it has an effect in the fact that people know about the news. they hear that the u.n. is pushing for a ceasefire and are that much more disappointed at the end of the day when there's no ceasefire. it's a disappointment for u.s. orinitials. they thought it was possible to get to a ceasefire. it was torpedoed tonight, by the israeli cabinet rejecting a plan that hadn't been made public or been offered formally. the israelis came out publicly and rejected it. that is where we got a two-hour, three-hour back and forth ending with the 12 hour humanitarian ceasefire.
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no one believes it's a long-term thing, the last short humanitarian ceasefire have been broken by both sides. at this point, violence continues. i can hear two or three drones above me right now, in north gaza. just a couple of miles from here. there are more shelling around a hospital, including people trapped in the hospital. that is next to the u.n. shelter, where 16 died yesterday from shelling. the violence continues. >> and israel's big objection is that it feels it's in gaza, it needs to destroy the tunnels from gaza into israel do you think that operation will continue even with a 12 hour . >> the israelis are pushing john kerry to create a ceasefire allowing them to work on the tunnels on the edge.
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the air strikes would stop, and they would work on the tunnels. this is a red loin for his rail. the -- redline for his rail. the notion is if you have people going into gaza - we have seen palestinian fighters emerge with zip ties, tranquilliser drugs, trying, clearly, to kidnap people and bring them to gaza. israel does not want to stop that operation. there's no indication that it will. some reports say a defence minister told troops on the boarder and expect an escall agency. israel has been clear, it will not stop the operation. israeli officials say they are 50-60% through the tunnels. that will give you a sense of why some in israel do not want to sign the ceasefire. >> nick schifrin, thank you for joining us from gaza.
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for more, we are joined by a member of the palestine liberation organisation. good to see you doctor. there seemed to be an added urgency to the ceasefire talks, after this terrible attack on the u.n. shelter in gaza. it seems both sides are digging their heels in on demands. we have more than 800 people, mostly civilians, killed in gaza. why is it so hard, just for humanitarian reasons, to stop the fighting? >> we need to stop this. it's not fighting, it's not both sides. it's an aggression, an attack by an israeli army, by a massively equipment army and megamachine, and you have people under siege and occupation. two sides, equal sides fighting. it's
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not. the question is how to save lives, that will not leave in place the conditions that gave rise to the attack and ruthless killing and blood-letting. the palestinian position is we'd want an immediate ceasefire. we want a lifting of the siege, and israel to start complying with its commitments, ian cluing a -- including a release of prisoners. when we talk about the 2012 commitments, that israel reneged on, the fishing lines, 12km in the sea, to do with the buffer zone that has been cut off from gaza strip. these are the minimum conditions to make life tolerable. we need to link it to the
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impunity of israel and the ongoing israeli provision. for the ceasefire to take place, we want to ensure that the conditions are not in place, so we don't go back to the status quo and run the risk of a repetition of a pattern of israeli behaviour. >> is that calling for something that requires broader negotiations that has not - the ending of the blockade hasn't happened, despite many negotiations involving all this. can't something be done in the meantime to stop this - what you have called a deliberate massacre in gaza. the u.n. came out and said that hamas rockets had been found in a u.n. schools and in civilian areas we saw videos launched. there has been more than 100 rockets shot from gaza on a daily basis at times. you are a close associate of mahmoud abbas, the leader of the party.
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you signed a unity agreement, government deal, with hamas. does fatah approve of hamas's tactics in shooting the rockets areas? >> i think you have asked four or five different questions. >> i think i did. >> first of all, i don't think one should - i don't think that one should assume that the victim is guilty all the time. this is israeli approach, of blaming the victim, dehumanizing the palestinians. we are not talking about hamas, separate from palestinians. we are the plo, we are the umbrella, the representatives of all the palestinian people, and we want hamas to be part of a democratic pluralistic system. and we are not talking about hamas going off on its own, or islamic jihad, but talking about issues to do with the
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palestinian people - children or women killed in cold blood, massacred. they are not hamas, jihad, fatah. they are palestinian people who are being bombed and shelled and torn to pieces. this has to be addressed. israel is a party that rejected the ceasefire, and once again, everybody is asking why have the palestinians rejected. we haven't said anything about this. we have tried to get the terms of a ceasefire that would be acceptable to everybody, and wouldn't reeve israel in a -- wouldn't leave israel in a situation to perpetuate the matter. israel wants to keep its army in gaza, it wants to continue, even under the guise of the ceasefire, it wants to continue with destruction of the tunnels and the rampage in gaza, this is no ceasefire.
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in the same way israel under the guys of the talks, while we talked about a two-state solution. building more settlements illegally. getting out ethnic cleansing. they talk about a 2-state salesian. the same logic used for the ceasefire. but to disarm its own victims. >> hamas rejected the two-state solution, said it will never recognise the state of israel, and, you know, palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas backed hamas's truce demands and explaining palestinian officials said when the international community and the arab world don't come up with the goods, abbas and the leadership of ramallah have no
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choice but to aline themselves with the people, specifically the people of gaza. in the past the arab world rose in support. palestinians. is the fact that fatah joined forces with hamas part of the reason that that support has been more muted this time because of the extremist aspects of hamas, and a weariness in your part of the world besieged by extremist groups? >> no. that's not true. the whole arab world is undergoing a painful transition. all sorts of issues, instability and violence, and looking at the states falling apart, look at iraq undergoing after the american invasion. look at libya, and after a so-called n.a.t.o. liberation and engagement. look at syria, the hunting ground for everybody. the arab world has enough problems. we are not blaming them for not supporting us. there are issues of survival in
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many countries, countries that are falling apart. the issue is that palestine remains a core motive issue for the arab public as a whole, for the region and the world, for people of good conscience. we have tremendous solidarity movement and support as you can see throughout the world, even though governments are lagging behind their open public opinion. if that's the case, we do not look at this as an issue of hamas, we are one people, one nation. hamas is part of politics. it's not just a political wing. it has social services. you can't demonize everybody and label them as hamas terrorists and do what you want. >> we saw a day of rage on
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friday with clashes, deaths, hundreds of injuries in the anson wong. do you see this as an ominous sign that the conflict is spreading. >> it's not the conflict, it's a grutal attack. we are not g under eej, we are being fragmented. we are using the land and resources. and israel as an occupying power deprived us of our rights and lives. people have, for a long time - this has been brewing. people have been angry, frustrated, saddened and outraged by the attacks against gaza. this is not solidarity, this is a nation standing up saying "we want to be free, we want a life of dignity, of freedom. a life that others take for
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granted. we cannot be kept in capacity and enslavement by the israeli occupation. it does everything it wants with full impunity." now is the time to hold it act illegal and halt the violations of the occupation. this has been a game changer. we'll move. we are not going back to the status quo. israeli violations have to be curbed and the occupation has to end. one we hope ends as quickly as possible, are the deaths of innocent people. we appreciate you joining us. >> joining us now from the studio in los angeles, is the council general of israel in l.a., david segal. the calls for a ceasefire were calls of screams after a u.n. area was hit. israel wants to ensure the
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tunnels are destroyed. israel has made a series of efforts in that regard. so why not agree to a longer caes fear. >> we are considering the ceasefire proposal, but it's important to understand that israel is facing clear and present dangers. both the rocket fire and the terror tunnels, the attack tunnels into israel, 31 of which are in our hands, and we are demolishing them. we are concerned about the infrastructure that needs to be dismantled as we work to a demill tarrizition of gaza. >> an opinion piece argued that israel's best weapon against hamas is to give palestinians hope. it said as effective as binyamin netanyahu has been at destroying
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palestinian rockets, he's been more effective at destroying hope and strengthening despair. point? >> israel is a robust democracy, and the newspaper has strong views, and they can be from right to middle to left. it's fine to have the fews. we are very much on the record supporting peace, two-state solution, mutual recognition, mutual security. this is what we are working for, hoping and praying for. the fight in gaza is not about that. israel, terror organization that has hijacked the gaza strip , holding the population captive, is using them as human shields and endangering our population and the palestinian population. we hope that once we demilitarize gaza, we can work for a larger package, and go
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back for the walks of reaching a 2-state solution between israel and the palestinians. >> you are hoping and praying for a 2-state solution. we talked about how the palestinians are one people. it seems the palestinian authority has thrown its lot in with hamas, who called for the instruction of the state of israel saying they'll never recognise israel. what does that say for you and the prospects of peace and the 2-state solution. >> it makes it difficult. we didn't support the government and an unreformed hamas calling for his rail's instruction. it doesn't mean we won't continue working with our partners, hoping they make the right decision in the future with american leadership to work together to a 2-state solution, which is in israel's interest, and we hope and pray is in the interests of the
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people. >> the violence spread to jerusalem, and the west bank. >> 200 were injured. what is the strategy there. are you concerned that the conflict is getting larger? >> we are concerned when you see the hamas leadership call on the people of gaza to do things, but calling on the people of the west bank to go out and demonstrate and riot against the government of israel. there has been life fire against our troops and police on the west bank, and it's something that we hope will not escalate. you see hamas playing an instructive role in gaza, in trying to play the role and it's a danger to the region. >> one of the consequences of what happened, the suffering in gaza and the defines to israel and hamas has shown with the
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rocket launchers, is that the political head of hamas seems to be looked at as a champion, even in the west bank, while mahmoud abbas has been a significant hope for peace is looked down upon and criticised. we hope that will not be the case. and they are sitting in a gutter in a 5-star hotel, controlling from afar, not being responsive or sensitive to what is happening in gaza. he is facing internal pressure from hamas to agree to a ceasefire, but he has put on the table demands that are non-starters for his rail and other actors. that will be difficult. we hope, again, to create a process and help the partnering of a profit the day after the ceasefire, where we can strengthen the palestinian authority and enable conditions
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to take place, for the demilitarization. under the agreements, with the palestinian authority, that terror organization should have been demilitarized a long time ago. hamas as taken hundreds of millions. they went underground, developed military terrorist infrastructure, threatened israel without doing anything. that's the tragedy. one of the big demoned that you are referring to, that was a non-starts are for his rail was the end of the blockade, the israeli and egyptian blockade. surrounded by a fence, and israel and egypt only allows certain kinds of traffic of goods and people between their countries and gaza, do the
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palestinians have a point. it's a stranglehold on that area. it's eliminated hope. violence. >> let's remember that israel left - vacated the entirety of the gaza strip in 2005. it was left for the palestinian north western. it was left on the ground. american donors came in with a vast sum of money, giving it prospects of the future. once hamas took over the gaza strip. continued firing. obstruction from iran and syria and other parts of the middle east. it became a danger to israel. you should know including right knew, during this conflict, israel continues to maintain pope crossings with gaza, with
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hundreds of trucks carrying medicine, food, blood donation, supplies coming from the united nations and elsewhere. more. when you see the cement going in not for the people, but terror tunnels. and the metal not for the people and construction, but the creation of rockets to threaten my country, israel has to impose those restrictions. >> there are serious restrictions on trade. secretary of state john kerry said, and it seems from what you said, that you are open to this too, that he thinks there could be ways of finding progress on the crossings and more openness? >> well, we hope so. again, the people of gaza are not israel's enemies. we want to see a future that is prosperous. positive. it's like the people of gaza. what we are concerned about is a
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terror organization calling for distruk, conducting under -- destruction, conducting underground tunnels that threaten the israeli community. they go through the tunnels with heavily armed men, coming out under israeli communities in israel. they have to resolve that in the context of the larger picture. israel is hoping they are willing to work hard for peace, region. >> israel's council general in los angeles. thank you for being with us. now four more stories from around the world. we begin in washington d.c., where barack obama met on friday with the president's on el salvador, guatemala and honduras to discuss the crisis on the border and come up with a plan to deter central americans were
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migrating to america. the goal is to convince migrants that they will be sent home. >> within a legal framework and humanitarian framework, children that do not have proper claims, and families with children who do not have proper claims will be subject to repatriation to their own countries. >> next to mali, where the airalgear plane that disappeared on thursday has been found. video and images. crash site have been released. there were no survivors. investigators confirm that the grouped. it was probably not shot down. there was bad weather in the area. francis hollande said one of the black boxes has been recovered and will be analysed quickly. >> we end in toronto, canada, at
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the airport where toronto police removed a passenger who threatened to blow up the plane. the plane was escorted back to toronto by two american f-16 fighter jets. the suspect's name is ali. his father says he believes his issues. >> that's some of what is happening around the world. the u.s. accuses russian separatist of downing the malaysian jet. we look at the site. miners massacred in south africa because they were on strike. questions about whether the country moved on from its brutal apartheid past. harmeli aregawi is tracking the top stories on the web. >> a man facing eviction turns to the internet for help, and gets it. hundreds of strangers literally
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showed up on his doorstep. >> while you watch, let us know what you think. join the conversation on spriter
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russia is raising the stakes in ukraine's war with pro-russian separatists. american and ukranian officials say vladimir putin's military is massing more troops on its side of the border and backing the separatists with artillery and rocket fire from russia russia is said to be preparing to give the separatists more heavy weapons, including tanks, armoured vehicles launches. on friday it was said: meanwhile, can technology prove u.s. claims that the separatists shot down malaysia flight 17 killing 298 people on board. for more on that i'm joined from baltimore. he's the author of "the naked future - what happens in a world that accepts your every move." good to have you with us.
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secretary of state john kerry and others say they know with certainty that a miss ill from separatist-held territories brought down the malaysian plane. presumably that information would have come from a u.s. sti satellite. is the information conclusive enough to prove where the missiles came from, despite the russian denials. >> it's conclusive enough for the state department. they were fast in pointing out they knew where this had scam from. they are probably rely on infrared technology, providing a lot of evidence about artillery fire. the satellites were developed for this purpose, to figure out who was shooting what sort of anti-aircraft missile at planes. it's extremely high resolution, providing a lot of detail.
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is it good enough for europe and the international community. that is a different question. >> we have seen pictures of the crash scene wreckage showing a large amount of shrapnel holes in the plane, rubley from an exploding warhead in a missile. what other clues can be determined from the wreckage, proving that a missile was responsible for shooting the plane down? >> like in any criminal scene, there's a tonne of the evidence sitting there that will corroborate or perhaps damage the credibility of the u.s. case. there are plane parts that have some clear mark eng of shrapnel perhaps from a huge explosion from a missile outside the aircraft - about 65 feet from the aircraft within that range. the missile would have gone off. there's chemical signatures on the plane or possibly on the luckage if there's explosive residues on debris that wouldn't
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have been near the exterior of the game. it could indicate that the explosion happened from within. if there's a lot of chemical sit on the engines, it could indicate a heat-seeking missile. it could hurt the case. the problem is securing the scope and making thur that all the eb -- sure that all the debris that is there, hasn't been tampered with. that is a challenge. >> how big an issue is that. in your article you said obstinately threatening separatists have blocked access to the scope. clearly a full investigation hasn't been able to begin. >> unlike other crime scenes, this is guarded by the people we are accusing of committing a crime. that is sort of a problem in terms of evidence collection. so the state department have
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pointed out that a number of times european investigators have been thwarted, blocked, given limited access by separatist forces who were route eachly ipp tox kated. they talk about how they met with a bunch. they made threatening remarks, then would be laughing, smelling of liquor. there's no security around this crime scene, except that which is provided by the separatists. there has been a lot of accusations of tampering with evidence and the scene. >> looking at the pictures, it does seem that some of the shrapnel, have been out the other side of the plane. one of the missiles sends an amount of shrapnel. what would that do. would there be a big explosion? >> there would be, an enormous explosion affecting the fuel
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parts of the plane, and this would cause the plane to plough up quickly. you can tell this in the debris pattern on the basis of where the stuff is located. conversely, if you saw a long trial of debris, this might indicate that the plane was losing parts for a long period of time and altitude. that is not what we have, we have an expanse of debris, mostly circular, suggesting something blown out of the sky, quickly, with tremendous power. >> how important will the black bombs be, are you concerned that it evidence may have been tampered with. >> it's easy to tamper with a black box. there has been accusations that the separatists have first tried to move them to moscow and wouldn't give them up. an investigation like this, the black box will only tell you what happened inside the plane. that is not a question here. however, if there is evidence from the black box as a result
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of tampering that doesn't corroborate the u.s. case, it could fuel intrialling, damaging the credibility of the u.s. the u.s. doesn't need it to know what happened, but if there's other evidence on there, it could hurt the u.s. case going forward. >> such a terrible tragedy. appreciate your time. >> time to see what is trending on the web. aregawi. >> we end the week with a story illustrating the power of the internet. hundreds of people came together to stop a man's evection. tom crawford live in a bungalow in not iping ham, england -- nottingham, england 25 years. he claims he has paid off his mortgage, a bank claimed he owed 73,000. a judge sided with the bank. desperate crawford turned to youtube for help. >> they're coming after it, on
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the 23rd of july. so if you can come along and stand with my filmily and myself -- family and myself, shoulder to shoulder to show these thugs and scum that they don't have any authority. the video spread. on the morning his evection was scheduled 200 strangers showed up to help him. after a two hour stand off the bail ifs left empty handed. the bang confirmed that the evection didn't take place because of safety concerns. let us mow what you think. tweet us. there's no indication that the bank has backed off for god. we'll watch what happened. >> straight ahead a heart-wrenching documentary tell ght the story of sav -- telling the story of south african minors. and the science of filler words. why it may not be bad
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if kids say like, um or you know. few countries landed on the red planet, but mars is about to
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a warping to viewers, some of the images in the next story are graphic. south africa had a troubled past with the brutality of apartheid
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fresh in memories. in 2012 they were reawakened when workers at a diamond mine in maracana went on strike. the demand was to negotiate with employers for better winter games. all of that changed when police opened fire. gungun gungun joining us is the acclaimed
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film-maker of miners shot down. ro hard, good to have you with us. i want to start with the basic question. why. it begin as a labour dispute, the miners wanting more money, negotiating with the mine's management. they'd been on strike, protested for days. tensions had been escalating between them and police. nine were killed in incidents the days before the massacre. on the day of the big massacre, were minors doing anything illegal. was there a reason for the police to be involved? >> not really. the police should have never been involved in the labour dispute. essentially all the workers were demanding was to dialogue with the management. quickly into the dispute, day one, day two, the workers were shot at by their own union, the majority union, the mine security, and a couple of days
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in by the police. that's when they began to arm themselves with their own cultural weapons, their traditional weapons which many rural based movements do. so really, it's clear that they wanted to have a dramatic show of force in an attempt to end the strike. that didn't work. >> talking about those traditional weapons, i know that many of those killed were shot in the back. there has been statements that the minors act aggressively on the day of the massacre. shooting - using machetes, what did you find? >> there was no violence whatsoever. not one policeman was harmed in any way whatsoever. they were dash they had assembled in an orderly manner, were being addressed by their leaders, expected the company to speak to them, as had been
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intimated the day before by the trade union leaders. and were expecting engines to begin -- specting negotiations to begin. that didn't happen. what we saw instead was a build up of paramilitary police units around them. many backed up by the army. then razor wire was pull out and there was an attempt to circle the workers with the raiser wire. then given the big guns, they decided to leave the hill okay and go home. that's what they attempted to do. the police narrative was that they were attacked twice. st untrue. there was no evidence.
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what evidence there is, shot by an al jazeera taliban shows the minors leaving in a peaceful and orderly fashion, contradicting the police statement saying they were attacked minutes before. >> in the inquiry, what was said by an advocate for the victims. >> there was foreboding indication of the intentions of those. what else are you meant to be. a statement of openings of what is going on. >> more vans there in advance of what happened. the question, of course, is whether the south african government was involved. >> well, the night before the
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top police brass swn met at the south african forum. it was decided that the police operation would be resourced, including 4,000 rounds of live ammunition, extra ambulances and, indeed, ordering vans from the boring. it is very damming. for the police to take this operation into their own hands is unlikely, this is what we hope the evidence will tell us. you know what dofr of involvement was in this.
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>> 270 were charged with murder. of course, the traj irony is some of the inspirationleading to apartheid, they are alive in people's memories. what does this say about south africa advancing its past and the rurnt democracy. >> or our own government that was kata putted to power by the same workers, mine workers, metalworkers. for them to turn on in a brutal and bloody fashion led to a seismic shift in the landscape. as it's seen, this party is more concerned about the interest and defending the interests of a big corporation than its own people. our own people.
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>> "miners shot down", premiering on sunday. appreciate you joining us. >> saturday son "talk to al jazeera," connell university president david skuirtun sits with ali velshi to talk about the cost of education and those helped the moment. >> it's upper middle class where you make too much to be considered needy, but not enough to pay cash for an education that costs $60,000 a queer with room and bored and other things. >> the full interview can be seen saturday and 5:00 pm eastern. coming up, the solar flare that nearly sent civilisation back to the dark age and why we are not out of the woods yet. >> first your kids could be telling you marathon you thing. hiddens words and phrases like
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>> it's a chilling and draconian sentence... it simply cannot stand. >> this trial was a sham... >> they are truth seekers... >> all they really wanna do is find out what's happening, so they can tell people... >> governments around the world all united to condemn this... >> as you can see, it's still a very much volatile situation... >> the government is prepared to carry out mass array... >> if you want free press in the new democracy, let the journalists live.
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today's data dive gets pretty definitive on lang yij. the "new yorker" looked at kid's speech, verbal crutches people use, like like, um, and others. it drives us
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crazy trying to stop them using the words, but it may be a sign of deeper signature. a study was republished called um, like, you know. filler word use - universities of texas looked at hundred of transcripts. people that used discourse markers, phrasers such as i mean or you know, or ah or um are female and younger. they are more conscientious. ufght words means they are tail ouring their speech or story to the context or person fresh speaking with. >> while a teenage girl may say that teacher is like, whatever, i mean, you know. it sounds like a babbling teenager. sometimes that's all it is. the experts say it could be
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translated to mr smith is so difficult to deal with, am i alone with my opinion. i prefer parents would prefer it be said that which. you know, can be used to shorten a story by referring to something understood by all. think about how many was conveyed by yada, yadaiada op seinfeld. presence should be, i mean, grateful for those tiches. >> i'm not convinced. >> a >> israel's invasion of gaza continues tonight. >> we have been hearing a lot of tank shelling coming from where we are, here. >> every single one of these buildings shook violently. >> for continuing coverage of the israeli / palestinian conflict, stay with al jazeera america, your global news leader. the news, go deeper and get more
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perspectives on every issue. al jazeera america. christmas christmas you probably never worried about a solar storm. n.a.s.a. now says one that erupted from the surface of the sun in 2012, and the energy it released came dangerously close to hitting arth. -- earth. >> that would be a bad thing. it could have plunged the world into darkness, causing 2 trillion in damage, 20 times the
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cost of hurricane katrina. scientists say there's a 12% chance a solar storm of this sort could hit the earth in the next 10 years. we are joined by derek pits. let's begin with the storms and what they are. scientists. >> these eruptions come from the surface of the sun, blasting particles into the solar system, if it happens that the earth is in line with the explosion, if it's something that is enormous, it can cost problems. the reason why the one in 2012 was important to monitor, is because of the size.
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off the peak of the sun spot cycle. they last about 11 years. at that time in 2012, we were on the way to the top. scientists were interested in monitoring the sun's activities so if something was coming we'd have a day and a half to reset oreposition a sat lipt. satellite. >> what would it - what could to do to the earth? >> it's an interesting phenomena. what happens is the electromagnetic particles impin ing on the long transmission wires. the high tension wires that transmit power.
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acting as antennas, generating charge down the wires, going down to the substation blowing up the transformers. so you don't want that situation to develop. that's the major thing. on top of that the other problems is the big eruptions off the sun can do tremendous damage to satellite communications that are not protected against solar activity. we don't want the situations to be damaged. >> scientists predict there's a 12% chance we could see something like this hit the earth. the reality is it has happened before, but not since we became dependent on electricity. >> that's true. the sup and the earth have been in this relationship for 4.5 billion years. there's no question there'll be big eruptions in the future.
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the way our civilisation is set up, we are dependent on technologies that don't work so well. we have to learn how to build communications equipment or electronics that can withstand the solar blast so it doesn't disrupt our civilisation and society. in 1859 one of them knocked out a telegraph service. it's something we watch out for. >> and one other topic. another country decided to head to mars. the united arab emirates hopes to develop a space agency and send someone to mars in 2021. >> why are they doing this, can they pull it off? >> they want the prestige of creating and maintaining a space launch and operations capability. this is the hallmark of
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countries that arrive at a certain level of economic condition, and they want to show that they are major players on the world stage. if you look around the countries of the world, they are those highest tier, first countries that can do this. they'd like to have a piece of the pie too. can they do it? mars is difficult. their chances at being successful, getting something that mars is 15%. mars is the toughest place to get a spacecraft to land safely. >> space programs struggled to do that. dr derek pitts, as always, pleasure to have you was. >> and coming up next time, a look at how america's schools may be failing our kids. >> is the crisis in ukraine, including the downing of
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